Slade3200
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It’s not a competition. You avoid calling Jan 6 for what it was by trying to point the finger at summer riots. Well you did it worse so when we did it it’s not a big deal. What kind of crap argument is that?! Grow upDumbfuck, their actions constitute insurrection, which is the "act of revolting against civil authority or an established government." It doesn't cease being insurrection because they failed to "stop the steal," which was their stated goal.Why can’t you post the definition of insurrection so we can settle this?The reason why the Jan 6 insurrection was so much worse than the summer riots is because jan 6 was based on lies from the most powerful man in the world who we gave that power to. A betrayal of our public trust that resulted in an attempt to over through our government. The summer riots have no excuse but they were criminals taking advantage of a huge movement of national outrage over racial equality. I’m sorry that you can’t see the difference.I disagree, he relentlessly trolled causing crippling partisan division and he constantly lied to the American people. The guy is a disgrace and now he has half the Republican Party standing behind his lies supporting an insurrection and at each others throats. It’s pathetic and sad for our country. The Dems sure are gratefulYeah I agree, the Dems need a respectable check on their power because they don’t have very good ideas and are riddled with corruption. But the Reps have been at a whole different level as of late and thanks to Trump their party is blown to pieces. Now they don’t even have a platform to run onI’m not a democratYup, so have the Republicans. Power corruptsThey thought it was a steal because they were lied to. It obviously was not stolen. Our elections systems have too many safeguards working independently of each other for that to happenHow is it overthrowing the system when you yourself admitted it was a Steal.Hahahhahahaha. Are you shitting me?! The whole point of the riot was to stop the steal and they tried to do so by force. That is literally overthrowing our system of government... the definition of an insurrection. Wake upWell the riots on the left were centered around millions of people protesting for racial equality. That doesn’t excuse those who acted out but that’s what it was. There were many riots during the civil rights movement in the 60s and I bet the majority of Americans would agree that cause was righteous. The Jan 6 riot was an attempt to overthrow our government in order to stop what they were lied to and told was a stolen election. They also wanted to kill our VP because trump lied and said he had the ability to stop the certification. These are two very very very different things. I don’t understand why people like you keep trying to compare them as similar situations.Who is ignoring the fact it happened during a time of civil unrest?! I’d be the first to admit that we are living in a extremely polarized and tense time politically. Another great gift from Mr TrumpI don’t really have a side. I dislike dem policies but respect their goals when it comes to social issues. I think Republicans are horrible at messaging, most are an embarrassment, but I support more of their fiscal policies. I think both parties are corrupt. But my personal views don’t matter to this debate, so let’s get back to it shall we??What do you think I’m ignoring?! I’m just pointing out the dishonest things you’ve been claiming. The fact you can’t show proof to back up the things I’ve questioned you about shows that.Im not dodging a thing, just calling out your BS. You say these things but when pressed fail to back them up. Besides maybe the cherrypicked outcast whom you haven’t shown, I haven’t seen anybody in leadership, no Mayors or congressmen or media supporting the riots. You make these claims and then can’t back them up. It’s a nice distraction to avoid talking about Trump and the Jan 6 riot which is the actual topic of the thread... but you’re not fooling anybody.Haha. Can you show where I asked for proof about 5 years of riots?They don’t get much dumber that politicalchic .... it’s like basic knowledge and logic are completely out the window.says the person who swallows lies from the far right every day of his/her/its life.....Are you saying you don’t have a link or anything showing that this was a policy or order from the Mayor? So did you just lie about it?My bad I must have missed the policy or order that the mayor gave to the police chief. Can you post a link, I can’t find info on that .Empty words? Not really... your critique is that he stood by the decision of his police chief and that somehow is supposed to prove what exactly?? You said the Mayors never spoke out against the violence. I showed otherwise.This guy? Do you wanna try somebody else?Which mayor? Can you give me a name?Ahhh right, you’re probably stuck in the right wing media bubble. Here is the leader of the Dems condemning violence... Fact check: Joe Biden has condemned protest-related violence all summerHaha, ok so my examples just don’t count. I could give more but I guess those wouldn’t count either. Why do I bother. You’re hopeless.Your point is absolute bullshit. There has been violence from the right wing forever just as there has been from the left wing. At trump rallies in 2016 he had supporter punching protesters in the face, he encouraged it......Haha, this is the best one yet. So since the left is violent it inspired the right to be violent? You really want to go with that? Has the lefts push for big government also inspired the right to support big government? Your arguments are getting dumber and dumber.Ok but after the surprise wore off what did you see what caused the change?Oh ok, well I agree that people can be correct through luck. I don’t think that’s the case here, I just think I was more perceptive because what Trump was doing had a painfully obvious effect which I could see coming from a mile away.... you on the other hand were cause blindsided so you obviously didn’t see it.Where in that statement was a clear sentence stating what the hell you’re talking about?! Nowhere!!! If you’ve been so clear then just copy and paste it. I honestly have no clue what you’re talking about. I think you got schooled and are just trying to confuse things to distract from the fact you lack a solid argument.Wow, that was a lot of words for a non answer. What a waste of space. Want to try again?You admitted that you were surprised at the riot. I said it was obvious and easy to see coming. I’m not lying about that, If you think I’m lying then why don’t you tell me what really happened. What am I getting wrong?What do you think I lied about. What I observed was obvious and predictable... yet it surprised you. Gee, let’s think about that for a secMy stated reasons weren’t true yet I was right. So I must have seen something that you didn’t see. Your Perceived reality was wrong and left you blindsided. That should tell you somethingWell this is coming from somebody who was wrong and blindsided so perhaps what you think im wrong about isn’t really wrong.I was right for the right reasons. Because I can see the effects that a con man has on his followers. The question is why couldn’t you see it coming?Mine was based on common sense. You can’t use historical precedent when you have a president that breaks all the norms. My observations were correct. I called my family before the riot to tell them there was about to be a riot. How did I know?! Because it was obvious. The real question you should be asking yourself is why you were surprised and why you couldn’t see it coming when it was so easy to see what Trump was doing.I wasn't... I literally called my family while Trump was giving his speech and told them to tune in because shit was about to go down. I told them Trump just threw Pence under the bus and there is a mob of angry people that are about to go mess things up. It was clear and obvious what Trump was doing and what was about to happen. If you couldn't see that then you have blinders on. But you support Trump so I guess the blinders are a givenExactly, it was foreseeable, which makes Trump and his puppets lies about the election fraud so much worse. It wasn't political hyperbole, it was incitement to violence which is what it lead to. He made false claims many of which can be directly disproven and the others he was never able to verify, yet he keeps saying them, his idiot followers believe them, and the nutters are acting on them.If my country had a fraudulent election to the scale of November 2020, and the Nation's Intel agencyy refused to investigate, and the media ignored it, and people who peacefull protested were censored and attacked....
I'd see it as a coup and would probably be attacking my Parliament as well
I did not see it coming. Generally conservatives are pretty mild. I expected the demonstration to just stand there and make some noise and be forgotten.
I was surprised when the riot broke out.
My expectation of a peaceful demonstration was based on decades of observation of demonstration conservatives who, even when pissed off, almost always obeyed the law and demonstrated peacefully and then went home.
What was yours based on?
Trump did not break all the norms.
His style was odd. He was disagreeable and vulgar. But his policies and actions were measured and restrained.
So, you were right, but for the wrong reasons. That happens. Like the way I was initially attracted to my wife because of her, well, never mind.
I asked what you based your conclusion on, and the reasons you gave were not true.
THus, you were right for the wrong reasons.
Hey, better than being wrong for the right reasons.
YOur spin is dismissed.
No one is prefect. Being wrong once does not mean that my judgement is valueless.
YOur stated reasons were not true. Thus you were right for the wrong reasons.
People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.
If I found that I was consistently wrong, then your point that I should reexamine my perceptions would be correct.
BUt so far, this was a one off.
People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.
I fully explained what you were lying about. YOur pretense of confusion is you lying again.
Your need to avoid being honest about what I say, how can that not be a red flag for you?
Nope. Your tactic of pretending to misunderstand a clear statement to then ask stupid questions, is an odd game, but one I am willing to play.
Pretend to be too retarded to understand a simple sentence again, and I will call you on your lying again.
I'm not sure of the point, but I am sure that I am kidding your ass.
I don't believe that you are so retarded that you did not understand it initially.
I am willing to consider that you might be stupid enough to have forgotten since it has been several posts so here it is again.
People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.
now you are able to look at things in hindsight. If you think what I’ve said was wrong then state why... see this is how normal debate works. It shouldn’t take pages and me explaining it like to a third grader.
I already explained my reasoning. DECADES of watching conservatives protest, even angry, but obeying the law and being peaceful.
THe violence and destruction has almost solely been on the left..
So, this change up was a surprise.
IN HINDSIGHT. it is less surprising considering the normalization of violence by five years of riots by antifa and blm.
Sure. THe years of political violence from your side that made it the new norm.
Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.
That is my point. I made it very clear. YOu don't need to restate it using your own words. (and thus adding your own spin, dishonestly).
ADDRESS MY POINT OR DON'T POST.
there I directly addressed your point. Now you address mine. Don’t distract
Punching a HECKLER, is a pretty minor example to lead off with, considering the 5 years of riots from your side. Charlettosville was the FAR right, not conservatives.
Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.
That is my point.
I can play that game though... the summer riots were just the FAR Left not liberals. So they don’t count either. How’s that for ya?
not bad. The actual rioters, imo, were far left.
The support they got from elected dem officials, that were not denounced by the dem party as a whole, though that is more troubling.
Interesting. I clearly was discussing not the violence, but the support of the violence by dem mayors.
DId Biden ever denounce the mayors that ordered the cops to stand down so that rioters could riot, loot and kill?
Ted Wheeler is the most obvious.
Portland Mayor Wheeler condemns violence during riot downtown
PORTLAND, Ore. – Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler denounced the violence during an overnight riot downtown where demonstrators pulled down statues and broke the windows of the Oregon Historical Society. The mayor was joined by Police Chief Chuck Lovell, Oregon Representative Tawna Sanchez, and Oregon...katu.com
lol, you really do love those empty words, don't you?
Ted Wheeler, Portland mayor, stands by decision to allow Antifa to block traffic
Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.www.washingtontimes.com
By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Sunday, October 14, 2018
"Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.
“I was appalled by what I saw in the video, but I support the Portland Police Bureau’s decision not to intervene,” he said at a press conference. “This whole incident will be investigated.”
The video posted by journalist Andy C. Ngo showed protesters, including members of antifa and Black Lives Matter, blocking an intersection and attempting to direct traffic at while officers on motorcycle watched from a block away.
At one point, the activists chased down 74-year-old Kent Houser after he made a right turn against their wishes, pounding on his silver Lexus and breaking a window. The car sustained thousands of dollars in damage, he told the Oregonian.
Even so, Mr. Wheeler insisted that “motorists should feel completely safe coming into downtown Portland.”
Demonstrators did not obtain a permit before holding the Oct. 6 march...
The mayor has been accused of taking a kid-gloved approach to the protests that routinely roil the liberal enclave, such as the summer occupation of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement building, which saw Portland police refuse to assist the immigration-enforcement officers unless they were in physical danger."
Police chiefs don't set policy, they follow it. That the mayor shifted teh blame for his policies onto his police chief is him being a democrat, nothing more.
The police stood by while the rioters rioted. and people were assaulted.
That the mayor was too much of a democrat to admit that he ordered that, is to be expected.
Even dem mayors are smart enough to LIE about that. But the results are clear. THe cops stand down while antifa and/or blm riot though the streets.
I'm saying that ted wheeler has been on the side of the mob, for the last several years. THe few empty words he says to the contrary of his actions are just put out there for the really stupid to swallow.
He is one example of that.
"... lies from the far right....."
There is no Far Right in this country.....only a Far Left.
I'll use you to prove it.
As documented in a number of threads, there is no Far Right in America, but certainly is a Far Left, radicals who have taken over one of the parties….the Democrats. A reminder: To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center. American traditions, values, and history represent that center. The Right, represented by the Republican Party, has no radial positions not consistent with America’s heritage…..but the Democrats sure do!
Subservient to the master they serve, that fire and brimstone guy, the Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.
Talk about “Far”!!!!
If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.
When you can't find any 'far' positions on the right, you will have proved your acceptance of Democrat propaganda.
Said the man asking for proof about the last 5 years off riots.
Can you do anything other than dodge and weave?
For 5 years we have had riots in teh streets from the far left, with the support, of varying degrees from the mainstream left,
and that is just sort of accepted, while you people are pretending to be absolutely outraged over the ONE riot from the right.
I'm not trying to distract from anything. I've been happy to discuss Trump and the 1/6 riot.
YOu are the one that wants to invent reasons to ignore the hundreds from your side over the last 5 years.
You've been playing word games to deflect, minimize, or confuse the part of the issue that is the hundreds of riots from YOUR side of the partisan divide.
YOu want to just talk shit about my side, and the ONE riot we have to our "credit", to smear us and marginalize us, and thus justify your next round of escalation,
while ignoring the context of your side's violence.
I see you being dishonest and I’m calling out yoir dishonesty it’s as simple as that. We were talking about the capital riot and now we are talking about the summer riots. That’s because of you. That’s the distraction. But I’m fine going there, the summer riots were wrong and bad. But stop lying about dem support that doesn’t exist
Talking about a riot in isolation, ignoring the fact that it took place during a period of civil unrest makes it impossible to have any real insight into the riot or the forces behind it or what it meant.
The vast majority of the riots came from the Left. ONly one of them were from teh right.
Seems this period of political unrest is a gift from the Left.
It is really worth noting that hte one righty riot you want to talk about, came at the END of Trump's administration.
You lying asshole.....the protest on Jan. 6 wasn't about over throwing the government....that is why no one in the Capitol building during the protest had a gun......
again...
600 million guns in America....
over 19.4 million Americans with the legal ability to carry guns for self defense....
Over 100,000 Trump supporters...
About 200 people entered the capitol building...
They had Zero guns.........
You do not over throw a government without guns...you mindless moron.......
The Trump supporters wandered the halls and took selfies......antifa and blm plants in the crowd vandalized the place and fought with some of the police......
No system is any better than the people making it up. And dems have shown that they will lie and cheat and abuse ANY power they are given.
FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But you dems have abused every single iota of power you have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.
lol. Sure. Ok then.
FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But the dems have abused every single iota of power they have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.
Trump was fine. Your pretense otherwise is not rational.
You say "insurrection" to try to make that ONE riot, as bad as 5 years of riots from your side.
Your side is the side that is tearing this nation apart. That you whine like this over ONE small riot of 200 people, after hundred of riots from your side, is you being weak and pathetic.
Bullshit. The "Reason" you are pretending that the 1/6 riot is so much worse than the HUNDREDS of riots before it, is because it is the ONLY one that you can blame on the other side.
YOU people are the ones that have been using violence as a political tool.
And now you want to dodge ownership of your actions.
That is the act of a coward.
Because we both know that delaying a formality by a few hours, is not it.
The "Reason" you are pretending that the 1/6 riot is so much worse than the HUNDREDS of riots before it, is because it is the ONLY one that you can blame on the other side.
5 years of riots is worse than 5 hours of rioting.
Your hysterical claims otherwise, is just you being hysterical and cowardly.