FBI Director says no evidence ANTIFA was at Capitol riot

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If my country had a fraudulent election to the scale of November 2020, and the Nation's Intel agencyy refused to investigate, and the media ignored it, and people who peacefull protested were censored and attacked....
I'd see it as a coup and would probably be attacking my Parliament as well

Exactly, it was foreseeable, which makes Trump and his puppets lies about the election fraud so much worse. It wasn't political hyperbole, it was incitement to violence which is what it lead to. He made false claims many of which can be directly disproven and the others he was never able to verify, yet he keeps saying them, his idiot followers believe them, and the nutters are acting on them.

I did not see it coming. Generally conservatives are pretty mild. I expected the demonstration to just stand there and make some noise and be forgotten.


I was surprised when the riot broke out.

I wasn't... I literally called my family while Trump was giving his speech and told them to tune in because shit was about to go down. I told them Trump just threw Pence under the bus and there is a mob of angry people that are about to go mess things up. It was clear and obvious what Trump was doing and what was about to happen. If you couldn't see that then you have blinders on. But you support Trump so I guess the blinders are a given

My expectation of a peaceful demonstration was based on decades of observation of demonstration conservatives who, even when pissed off, almost always obeyed the law and demonstrated peacefully and then went home.


What was yours based on?

Mine was based on common sense. You can’t use historical precedent when you have a president that breaks all the norms. My observations were correct. I called my family before the riot to tell them there was about to be a riot. How did I know?! Because it was obvious. The real question you should be asking yourself is why you were surprised and why you couldn’t see it coming when it was so easy to see what Trump was doing.

Trump did not break all the norms.

His style was odd. He was disagreeable and vulgar. But his policies and actions were measured and restrained.

So, you were right, but for the wrong reasons. That happens. Like the way I was initially attracted to my wife because of her, well, never mind.

I was right for the right reasons. Because I can see the effects that a con man has on his followers. The question is why couldn’t you see it coming?

I asked what you based your conclusion on, and the reasons you gave were not true.


THus, you were right for the wrong reasons.


Hey, better than being wrong for the right reasons.


YOur spin is dismissed.

Well this is coming from somebody who was wrong and blindsided so perhaps what you think im wrong about isn’t really wrong.

No one is prefect. Being wrong once does not mean that my judgement is valueless.

YOur stated reasons were not true. Thus you were right for the wrong reasons.

My stated reasons weren’t true yet I was right. So I must have seen something that you didn’t see. Your Perceived reality was wrong and left you blindsided. That should tell you something

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.


If I found that I was consistently wrong, then your point that I should reexamine my perceptions would be correct.


BUt so far, this was a one off.

What do you think I lied about. What I observed was obvious and predictable... yet it surprised you. Gee, let’s think about that for a sec

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

You admitted that you were surprised at the riot. I said it was obvious and easy to see coming. I’m not lying about that, If you think I’m lying then why don’t you tell me what really happened. What am I getting wrong?

I fully explained what you were lying about. YOur pretense of confusion is you lying again.

Your need to avoid being honest about what I say, how can that not be a red flag for you?

Wow, that was a lot of words for a non answer. What a waste of space. Want to try again?

Nope. Your tactic of pretending to misunderstand a clear statement to then ask stupid questions, is an odd game, but one I am willing to play.


Pretend to be too retarded to understand a simple sentence again, and I will call you on your lying again.


I'm not sure of the point, but I am sure that I am kidding your ass.

Where in that statement was a clear sentence stating what the hell you’re talking about?! Nowhere!!! If you’ve been so clear then just copy and paste it. I honestly have no clue what you’re talking about. I think you got schooled and are just trying to confuse things to distract from the fact you lack a solid argument.

I don't believe that you are so retarded that you did not understand it initially.

I am willing to consider that you might be stupid enough to have forgotten since it has been several posts so here it is again.



People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

Oh ok, well I agree that people can be correct through luck. I don’t think that’s the case here, I just think I was more perceptive because what Trump was doing had a painfully obvious effect which I could see coming from a mile away.... you on the other hand were cause blindsided so you obviously didn’t see it.

now you are able to look at things in hindsight. If you think what I’ve said was wrong then state why... see this is how normal debate works. It shouldn’t take pages and me explaining it like to a third grader.

I already explained my reasoning. DECADES of watching conservatives protest, even angry, but obeying the law and being peaceful.

THe violence and destruction has almost solely been on the left..


So, this change up was a surprise.

IN HINDSIGHT. it is less surprising considering the normalization of violence by five years of riots by antifa and blm.

Ok but after the surprise wore off what did you see what caused the change?

Sure. THe years of political violence from your side that made it the new norm.

Haha, this is the best one yet. So since the left is violent it inspired the right to be violent? You really want to go with that? Has the lefts push for big government also inspired the right to support big government? Your arguments are getting dumber and dumber.

Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point. I made it very clear. YOu don't need to restate it using your own words. (and thus adding your own spin, dishonestly).


ADDRESS MY POINT OR DON'T POST.

Your point is absolute bullshit. There has been violence from the right wing forever just as there has been from the left wing. At trump rallies in 2016 he had supporter punching protesters in the face, he encouraged it......

there I directly addressed your point. Now you address mine. Don’t distract

Punching a HECKLER, is a pretty minor example to lead off with, considering the 5 years of riots from your side. Charlettosville was the FAR right, not conservatives.


Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point.

Haha, ok so my examples just don’t count. I could give more but I guess those wouldn’t count either. Why do I bother. You’re hopeless.

I can play that game though... the summer riots were just the FAR Left not liberals. So they don’t count either. How’s that for ya?

not bad. The actual rioters, imo, were far left.


The support they got from elected dem officials, that were not denounced by the dem party as a whole, though that is more troubling.

Ahhh right, you’re probably stuck in the right wing media bubble. Here is the leader of the Dems condemning violence... Fact check: Joe Biden has condemned protest-related violence all summer

Interesting. I clearly was discussing not the violence, but the support of the violence by dem mayors.

DId Biden ever denounce the mayors that ordered the cops to stand down so that rioters could riot, loot and kill?

Which mayor? Can you give me a name?

Ted Wheeler is the most obvious.

This guy? Do you wanna try somebody else?

Portland Mayor Wheeler condemns violence during riot downtown

PORTLAND, Ore. – Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler denounced the violence during an overnight riot downtown where demonstrators pulled down statues and broke the windows of the Oregon Historical Society. The mayor was joined by Police Chief Chuck Lovell, Oregon Representative Tawna Sanchez, and Oregon...

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lol, you really do love those empty words, don't you?

Ted Wheeler, Portland mayor, stands by decision to allow Antifa to block traffic

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.

www.washingtontimes.com

By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Sunday, October 14, 2018


"Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.
“I was appalled by what I saw in the video, but I support the Portland Police Bureau’s decision not to intervene,” he said at a press conference. “This whole incident will be investigated.”
The video posted by journalist Andy C. Ngo showed protesters, including members of antifa and Black Lives Matter, blocking an intersection and attempting to direct traffic at while officers on motorcycle watched from a block away.



At one point, the activists chased down 74-year-old Kent Houser after he made a right turn against their wishes, pounding on his silver Lexus and breaking a window. The car sustained thousands of dollars in damage, he told the Oregonian.

Even so, Mr. Wheeler insisted that “motorists should feel completely safe coming into downtown Portland.”

Demonstrators did not obtain a permit before holding the Oct. 6 march...

The mayor has been accused of taking a kid-gloved approach to the protests that routinely roil the liberal enclave, such as the summer occupation of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement building, which saw Portland police refuse to assist the immigration-enforcement officers unless they were in physical danger."

Empty words? Not really... your critique is that he stood by the decision of his police chief and that somehow is supposed to prove what exactly?? You said the Mayors never spoke out against the violence. I showed otherwise.

Police chiefs don't set policy, they follow it. That the mayor shifted teh blame for his policies onto his police chief is him being a democrat, nothing more.


The police stood by while the rioters rioted. and people were assaulted.


That the mayor was too much of a democrat to admit that he ordered that, is to be expected.

My bad I must have missed the policy or order that the mayor gave to the police chief. Can you post a link, I can’t find info on that .

Even dem mayors are smart enough to LIE about that. But the results are clear. THe cops stand down while antifa and/or blm riot though the streets.

Are you saying you don’t have a link or anything showing that this was a policy or order from the Mayor? So did you just lie about it?

I'm saying that ted wheeler has been on the side of the mob, for the last several years. THe few empty words he says to the contrary of his actions are just put out there for the really stupid to swallow.


He is one example of that.

says the person who swallows lies from the far right every day of his/her/its life.....

"... lies from the far right....."

There is no Far Right in this country.....only a Far Left.


I'll use you to prove it.


As documented in a number of threads, there is no Far Right in America, but certainly is a Far Left, radicals who have taken over one of the parties….the Democrats. A reminder: To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center. American traditions, values, and history represent that center. The Right, represented by the Republican Party, has no radial positions not consistent with America’s heritage…..but the Democrats sure do!

Subservient to the master they serve, that fire and brimstone guy, the Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Talk about “Far”!!!!

If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



When you can't find any 'far' positions on the right, you will have proved your acceptance of Democrat propaganda.

They don’t get much dumber that politicalchic .... it’s like basic knowledge and logic are completely out the window.

Said the man asking for proof about the last 5 years off riots.

Haha. Can you show where I asked for proof about 5 years of riots?

Can you do anything other than dodge and weave?


For 5 years we have had riots in teh streets from the far left, with the support, of varying degrees from the mainstream left,

and that is just sort of accepted, while you people are pretending to be absolutely outraged over the ONE riot from the right.

Im not dodging a thing, just calling out your BS. You say these things but when pressed fail to back them up. Besides maybe the cherrypicked outcast whom you haven’t shown, I haven’t seen anybody in leadership, no Mayors or congressmen or media supporting the riots. You make these claims and then can’t back them up. It’s a nice distraction to avoid talking about Trump and the Jan 6 riot which is the actual topic of the thread... but you’re not fooling anybody.

I'm not trying to distract from anything. I've been happy to discuss Trump and the 1/6 riot.

YOu are the one that wants to invent reasons to ignore the hundreds from your side over the last 5 years.

What do you think I’m ignoring?! I’m just pointing out the dishonest things you’ve been claiming. The fact you can’t show proof to back up the things I’ve questioned you about shows that.

You've been playing word games to deflect, minimize, or confuse the part of the issue that is the hundreds of riots from YOUR side of the partisan divide.


YOu want to just talk shit about my side, and the ONE riot we have to our "credit", to smear us and marginalize us, and thus justify your next round of escalation,

while ignoring the context of your side's violence.

I don’t really have a side. I dislike dem policies but respect their goals when it comes to social issues. I think Republicans are horrible at messaging, most are an embarrassment, but I support more of their fiscal policies. I think both parties are corrupt. But my personal views don’t matter to this debate, so let’s get back to it shall we??

I see you being dishonest and I’m calling out yoir dishonesty it’s as simple as that. We were talking about the capital riot and now we are talking about the summer riots. That’s because of you. That’s the distraction. But I’m fine going there, the summer riots were wrong and bad. But stop lying about dem support that doesn’t exist

Talking about a riot in isolation, ignoring the fact that it took place during a period of civil unrest makes it impossible to have any real insight into the riot or the forces behind it or what it meant.

Who is ignoring the fact it happened during a time of civil unrest?! I’d be the first to admit that we are living in a extremely polarized and tense time politically. Another great gift from Mr Trump

The vast majority of the riots came from the Left. ONly one of them were from teh right.


Seems this period of political unrest is a gift from the Left.


It is really worth noting that hte one righty riot you want to talk about, came at the END of Trump's administration.

Well the riots on the left were centered around millions of people protesting for racial equality. That doesn’t excuse those who acted out but that’s what it was. There were many riots during the civil rights movement in the 60s and I bet the majority of Americans would agree that cause was righteous. The Jan 6 riot was an attempt to overthrow our government in order to stop what they were lied to and told was a stolen election. They also wanted to kill our VP because trump lied and said he had the ability to stop the certification. These are two very very very different things. I don’t understand why people like you keep trying to compare them as similar situations.

You lying asshole.....the protest on Jan. 6 wasn't about over throwing the government....that is why no one in the Capitol building during the protest had a gun......

again...

600 million guns in America....

over 19.4 million Americans with the legal ability to carry guns for self defense....

Over 100,000 Trump supporters...

About 200 people entered the capitol building...

They had Zero guns.........

You do not over throw a government without guns...you mindless moron.......

The Trump supporters wandered the halls and took selfies......antifa and blm plants in the crowd vandalized the place and fought with some of the police......

Hahahhahahaha. Are you shitting me?! The whole point of the riot was to stop the steal and they tried to do so by force. That is literally overthrowing our system of government... the definition of an insurrection. Wake up

The stop the Steal campaign was about preserving democracy, demanding audits, free and fair elections.
It was a Human Rights protest by Pro Democracy activists.
The coup happened on November 3rd.

Haha. No the stop the steal campaign was a bunch of poor sport losers who couldn’t handle getting whooped at the polls and they were led by the worst of them all Trump

The leader of stop the Steal is a black muslim.
The election was unconstitutional and rigged.
Time magazine even admitted a secret cabal of pwerful people rigged it in the weeks and months prior.
Deal with it.

The courts disagree with you... sorry but that’s how our system works.

Appeal to Authority logical fallacy. Your point is basically MIGHT MAKES RIGHT.


That really all you have to defend your position? Cause that is basically admitting that you are wrong.

Haha, not at all. Our system of government, via the constitution which I’m sure you pretend to hold so dear, has a method set up to settle disputes like this. This system is at the foundation of what our country is. Trump is the only president in our history that I can think of that actively campaigned against that system and tried to undermine it. That toxic thinking has seemed to spill over onto you and your ilk as well. If you can’t respect and trust our justice system and the results it yields then that is the pathway to losing our country. If the only answer is your way or the highway then it paints a pretty clear picture for how immature and egotistical your arguments are.

You have given up arguing that what your side did was morally or ethically right, and are just citing that you won.


That is what is toxic here. Your desire to win and to crush your enemies, who you think should never be allowed to have a turn even if they win.

Doesn’t have anything to do with winning the election, it has to do with the obvious lies Trump tossed out there and the failed efforts to prove any of it. His claimed were challenged in court, elections systems were audited, recounts took place. His claims were vetted, more than they needed to be IMO but they were. Our system showed that he was lying

My point was that you are not making your case at all, just Appealing to Authority.


That is you giving up the argument.

Haha, you’re missing the point. You are ignorant, I am ignorant, we have an insignificant fraction of information about what actually happened in regards to election fraud. Neither of us saw anything first hand so all we have are media/agency reports and a review of the actual events that happened. And in regards to that, every one of our legal systems showed that the election was legit and trump was a lying. The DOJ reviewed the evidence, more evidence than you or I have access too, and Barr said there was nothing there, 60+ independent courts reviewed several different cases in several different states... nothing there. There was a case presented to SCOTUS, nothing.... multiple states did audits and recounts, nothing.... the states certified, congress certified. What the hell else more do you want?! This is insanity.

Am I putting trust in entities outside of my own two eyes?? Yes, we all have to. I’m putting trust in our system. I’m using logic. I’m not hiding from the argument, I’m making the argument. From what I’ve seen and from the results our system has produced is pretty damn clear that the election was legit and Trump is a liar. I really don’t see how that can be rationally disputed

Trust in the system is not an argument in defense of a position.

Of course it is, the “system” has several different checks and balances, independent entities, all of which have much more actual verified intel than you or I... as I laid out. Now what do you have to base your opinion on? Trump? YouTube videos? Memes?

My opinion? My position is that you have given up making your case is based on your taking a stand on APPEAL TO AUTHORITY.

Appeal to entities that have more intelligence and evidence than I do. Has nothing to do with authority. I’ll ask again though. What is your opinion based on?

Depends on the issue. Mostly my reasoning and judgement.


I don't know if I ever say, just because someone else says it. That is the act of a small child. Or someone who knows on some level that the truth is not on their side.

 

[Correll]

If my country had a fraudulent election to the scale of November 2020, and the Nation's Intel agencyy refused to investigate, and the media ignored it, and people who peacefull protested were censored and attacked....
I'd see it as a coup and would probably be attacking my Parliament as well

Exactly, it was foreseeable, which makes Trump and his puppets lies about the election fraud so much worse. It wasn't political hyperbole, it was incitement to violence which is what it lead to. He made false claims many of which can be directly disproven and the others he was never able to verify, yet he keeps saying them, his idiot followers believe them, and the nutters are acting on them.

I did not see it coming. Generally conservatives are pretty mild. I expected the demonstration to just stand there and make some noise and be forgotten.


I was surprised when the riot broke out.

I wasn't... I literally called my family while Trump was giving his speech and told them to tune in because shit was about to go down. I told them Trump just threw Pence under the bus and there is a mob of angry people that are about to go mess things up. It was clear and obvious what Trump was doing and what was about to happen. If you couldn't see that then you have blinders on. But you support Trump so I guess the blinders are a given

My expectation of a peaceful demonstration was based on decades of observation of demonstration conservatives who, even when pissed off, almost always obeyed the law and demonstrated peacefully and then went home.


What was yours based on?

Mine was based on common sense. You can’t use historical precedent when you have a president that breaks all the norms. My observations were correct. I called my family before the riot to tell them there was about to be a riot. How did I know?! Because it was obvious. The real question you should be asking yourself is why you were surprised and why you couldn’t see it coming when it was so easy to see what Trump was doing.

Trump did not break all the norms.

His style was odd. He was disagreeable and vulgar. But his policies and actions were measured and restrained.

So, you were right, but for the wrong reasons. That happens. Like the way I was initially attracted to my wife because of her, well, never mind.

I was right for the right reasons. Because I can see the effects that a con man has on his followers. The question is why couldn’t you see it coming?

I asked what you based your conclusion on, and the reasons you gave were not true.


THus, you were right for the wrong reasons.


Hey, better than being wrong for the right reasons.


YOur spin is dismissed.

Well this is coming from somebody who was wrong and blindsided so perhaps what you think im wrong about isn’t really wrong.

No one is prefect. Being wrong once does not mean that my judgement is valueless.

YOur stated reasons were not true. Thus you were right for the wrong reasons.

My stated reasons weren’t true yet I was right. So I must have seen something that you didn’t see. Your Perceived reality was wrong and left you blindsided. That should tell you something

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.


If I found that I was consistently wrong, then your point that I should reexamine my perceptions would be correct.


BUt so far, this was a one off.

What do you think I lied about. What I observed was obvious and predictable... yet it surprised you. Gee, let’s think about that for a sec

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

You admitted that you were surprised at the riot. I said it was obvious and easy to see coming. I’m not lying about that, If you think I’m lying then why don’t you tell me what really happened. What am I getting wrong?

I fully explained what you were lying about. YOur pretense of confusion is you lying again.

Your need to avoid being honest about what I say, how can that not be a red flag for you?

Wow, that was a lot of words for a non answer. What a waste of space. Want to try again?

Nope. Your tactic of pretending to misunderstand a clear statement to then ask stupid questions, is an odd game, but one I am willing to play.


Pretend to be too retarded to understand a simple sentence again, and I will call you on your lying again.


I'm not sure of the point, but I am sure that I am kidding your ass.

Where in that statement was a clear sentence stating what the hell you’re talking about?! Nowhere!!! If you’ve been so clear then just copy and paste it. I honestly have no clue what you’re talking about. I think you got schooled and are just trying to confuse things to distract from the fact you lack a solid argument.

I don't believe that you are so retarded that you did not understand it initially.

I am willing to consider that you might be stupid enough to have forgotten since it has been several posts so here it is again.



People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

Oh ok, well I agree that people can be correct through luck. I don’t think that’s the case here, I just think I was more perceptive because what Trump was doing had a painfully obvious effect which I could see coming from a mile away.... you on the other hand were cause blindsided so you obviously didn’t see it.

now you are able to look at things in hindsight. If you think what I’ve said was wrong then state why... see this is how normal debate works. It shouldn’t take pages and me explaining it like to a third grader.

I already explained my reasoning. DECADES of watching conservatives protest, even angry, but obeying the law and being peaceful.

THe violence and destruction has almost solely been on the left..


So, this change up was a surprise.

IN HINDSIGHT. it is less surprising considering the normalization of violence by five years of riots by antifa and blm.

Ok but after the surprise wore off what did you see what caused the change?

Sure. THe years of political violence from your side that made it the new norm.

Haha, this is the best one yet. So since the left is violent it inspired the right to be violent? You really want to go with that? Has the lefts push for big government also inspired the right to support big government? Your arguments are getting dumber and dumber.

Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point. I made it very clear. YOu don't need to restate it using your own words. (and thus adding your own spin, dishonestly).


ADDRESS MY POINT OR DON'T POST.

Your point is absolute bullshit. There has been violence from the right wing forever just as there has been from the left wing. At trump rallies in 2016 he had supporter punching protesters in the face, he encouraged it......

there I directly addressed your point. Now you address mine. Don’t distract

Punching a HECKLER, is a pretty minor example to lead off with, considering the 5 years of riots from your side. Charlettosville was the FAR right, not conservatives.


Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point.

Haha, ok so my examples just don’t count. I could give more but I guess those wouldn’t count either. Why do I bother. You’re hopeless.

I can play that game though... the summer riots were just the FAR Left not liberals. So they don’t count either. How’s that for ya?

not bad. The actual rioters, imo, were far left.


The support they got from elected dem officials, that were not denounced by the dem party as a whole, though that is more troubling.

Ahhh right, you’re probably stuck in the right wing media bubble. Here is the leader of the Dems condemning violence... Fact check: Joe Biden has condemned protest-related violence all summer

Interesting. I clearly was discussing not the violence, but the support of the violence by dem mayors.

DId Biden ever denounce the mayors that ordered the cops to stand down so that rioters could riot, loot and kill?

Which mayor? Can you give me a name?

Ted Wheeler is the most obvious.

This guy? Do you wanna try somebody else?

Portland Mayor Wheeler condemns violence during riot downtown

PORTLAND, Ore. – Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler denounced the violence during an overnight riot downtown where demonstrators pulled down statues and broke the windows of the Oregon Historical Society. The mayor was joined by Police Chief Chuck Lovell, Oregon Representative Tawna Sanchez, and Oregon...

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lol, you really do love those empty words, don't you?

Ted Wheeler, Portland mayor, stands by decision to allow Antifa to block traffic

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.

www.washingtontimes.com

By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Sunday, October 14, 2018


"Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.
“I was appalled by what I saw in the video, but I support the Portland Police Bureau’s decision not to intervene,” he said at a press conference. “This whole incident will be investigated.”
The video posted by journalist Andy C. Ngo showed protesters, including members of antifa and Black Lives Matter, blocking an intersection and attempting to direct traffic at while officers on motorcycle watched from a block away.



At one point, the activists chased down 74-year-old Kent Houser after he made a right turn against their wishes, pounding on his silver Lexus and breaking a window. The car sustained thousands of dollars in damage, he told the Oregonian.

Even so, Mr. Wheeler insisted that “motorists should feel completely safe coming into downtown Portland.”

Demonstrators did not obtain a permit before holding the Oct. 6 march...

The mayor has been accused of taking a kid-gloved approach to the protests that routinely roil the liberal enclave, such as the summer occupation of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement building, which saw Portland police refuse to assist the immigration-enforcement officers unless they were in physical danger."

Empty words? Not really... your critique is that he stood by the decision of his police chief and that somehow is supposed to prove what exactly?? You said the Mayors never spoke out against the violence. I showed otherwise.

Police chiefs don't set policy, they follow it. That the mayor shifted teh blame for his policies onto his police chief is him being a democrat, nothing more.


The police stood by while the rioters rioted. and people were assaulted.


That the mayor was too much of a democrat to admit that he ordered that, is to be expected.

My bad I must have missed the policy or order that the mayor gave to the police chief. Can you post a link, I can’t find info on that .

Even dem mayors are smart enough to LIE about that. But the results are clear. THe cops stand down while antifa and/or blm riot though the streets.

Are you saying you don’t have a link or anything showing that this was a policy or order from the Mayor? So did you just lie about it?

I'm saying that ted wheeler has been on the side of the mob, for the last several years. THe few empty words he says to the contrary of his actions are just put out there for the really stupid to swallow.


He is one example of that.

says the person who swallows lies from the far right every day of his/her/its life.....

"... lies from the far right....."

There is no Far Right in this country.....only a Far Left.


I'll use you to prove it.


As documented in a number of threads, there is no Far Right in America, but certainly is a Far Left, radicals who have taken over one of the parties….the Democrats. A reminder: To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center. American traditions, values, and history represent that center. The Right, represented by the Republican Party, has no radial positions not consistent with America’s heritage…..but the Democrats sure do!

Subservient to the master they serve, that fire and brimstone guy, the Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Talk about “Far”!!!!

If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



When you can't find any 'far' positions on the right, you will have proved your acceptance of Democrat propaganda.

They don’t get much dumber that politicalchic .... it’s like basic knowledge and logic are completely out the window.

Said the man asking for proof about the last 5 years off riots.

Haha. Can you show where I asked for proof about 5 years of riots?

Can you do anything other than dodge and weave?


For 5 years we have had riots in teh streets from the far left, with the support, of varying degrees from the mainstream left,

and that is just sort of accepted, while you people are pretending to be absolutely outraged over the ONE riot from the right.

Im not dodging a thing, just calling out your BS. You say these things but when pressed fail to back them up. Besides maybe the cherrypicked outcast whom you haven’t shown, I haven’t seen anybody in leadership, no Mayors or congressmen or media supporting the riots. You make these claims and then can’t back them up. It’s a nice distraction to avoid talking about Trump and the Jan 6 riot which is the actual topic of the thread... but you’re not fooling anybody.

I'm not trying to distract from anything. I've been happy to discuss Trump and the 1/6 riot.

YOu are the one that wants to invent reasons to ignore the hundreds from your side over the last 5 years.

What do you think I’m ignoring?! I’m just pointing out the dishonest things you’ve been claiming. The fact you can’t show proof to back up the things I’ve questioned you about shows that.

You've been playing word games to deflect, minimize, or confuse the part of the issue that is the hundreds of riots from YOUR side of the partisan divide.


YOu want to just talk shit about my side, and the ONE riot we have to our "credit", to smear us and marginalize us, and thus justify your next round of escalation,

while ignoring the context of your side's violence.

I don’t really have a side. I dislike dem policies but respect their goals when it comes to social issues. I think Republicans are horrible at messaging, most are an embarrassment, but I support more of their fiscal policies. I think both parties are corrupt. But my personal views don’t matter to this debate, so let’s get back to it shall we??

I see you being dishonest and I’m calling out yoir dishonesty it’s as simple as that. We were talking about the capital riot and now we are talking about the summer riots. That’s because of you. That’s the distraction. But I’m fine going there, the summer riots were wrong and bad. But stop lying about dem support that doesn’t exist

Talking about a riot in isolation, ignoring the fact that it took place during a period of civil unrest makes it impossible to have any real insight into the riot or the forces behind it or what it meant.

Who is ignoring the fact it happened during a time of civil unrest?! I’d be the first to admit that we are living in a extremely polarized and tense time politically. Another great gift from Mr Trump

The vast majority of the riots came from the Left. ONly one of them were from teh right.


Seems this period of political unrest is a gift from the Left.


It is really worth noting that hte one righty riot you want to talk about, came at the END of Trump's administration.

Well the riots on the left were centered around millions of people protesting for racial equality. That doesn’t excuse those who acted out but that’s what it was. There were many riots during the civil rights movement in the 60s and I bet the majority of Americans would agree that cause was righteous. The Jan 6 riot was an attempt to overthrow our government in order to stop what they were lied to and told was a stolen election. They also wanted to kill our VP because trump lied and said he had the ability to stop the certification. These are two very very very different things. I don’t understand why people like you keep trying to compare them as similar situations.

You lying asshole.....the protest on Jan. 6 wasn't about over throwing the government....that is why no one in the Capitol building during the protest had a gun......

again...

600 million guns in America....

over 19.4 million Americans with the legal ability to carry guns for self defense....

Over 100,000 Trump supporters...

About 200 people entered the capitol building...

They had Zero guns.........

You do not over throw a government without guns...you mindless moron.......

The Trump supporters wandered the halls and took selfies......antifa and blm plants in the crowd vandalized the place and fought with some of the police......

Hahahhahahaha. Are you shitting me?! The whole point of the riot was to stop the steal and they tried to do so by force. That is literally overthrowing our system of government... the definition of an insurrection. Wake up

How is it overthrowing the system when you yourself admitted it was a Steal.

They thought it was a steal because they were lied to. It obviously was not stolen. Our elections systems have too many safeguards working independently of each other for that to happen

No system is any better than the people making it up. And dems have shown that they will lie and cheat and abuse ANY power they are given.

Yup, so have the Republicans. Power corrupts

FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But you dems have abused every single iota of power you have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.

I’m not a democrat

lol. Sure. Ok then.

FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But the dems have abused every single iota of power they have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.

Yeah I agree, the Dems need a respectable check on their power because they don’t have very good ideas and are riddled with corruption. But the Reps have been at a whole different level as of late and thanks to Trump their party is blown to pieces. Now they don’t even have a platform to run on

Trump was fine. Your pretense otherwise is not rational.

I disagree, he relentlessly trolled causing crippling partisan division and he constantly lied to the American people. The guy is a disgrace and now he has half the Republican Party standing behind his lies supporting an insurrection and at each others throats. It’s pathetic and sad for our country. The Dems sure are grateful

You say "insurrection" to try to make that ONE riot, as bad as 5 years of riots from your side.


Your side is the side that is tearing this nation apart. That you whine like this over ONE small riot of 200 people, after hundred of riots from your side, is you being weak and pathetic.

The reason why the Jan 6 insurrection was so much worse than the summer riots is because jan 6 was based on lies from the most powerful man in the world who we gave that power to. A betrayal of our public trust that resulted in an attempt to over through our government. The summer riots have no excuse but they were criminals taking advantage of a huge movement of national outrage over racial equality. I’m sorry that you can’t see the difference.

Bullshit. The "Reason" you are pretending that the 1/6 riot is so much worse than the HUNDREDS of riots before it, is because it is the ONLY one that you can blame on the other side.


YOU people are the ones that have been using violence as a political tool.


And now you want to dodge ownership of your actions.


That is the act of a coward.

Why can’t you post the definition of insurrection so we can settle this?

Because we both know that delaying a formality by a few hours, is not it.


The "Reason" you are pretending that the 1/6 riot is so much worse than the HUNDREDS of riots before it, is because it is the ONLY one that you can blame on the other side.

 

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If my country had a fraudulent election to the scale of November 2020, and the Nation's Intel agencyy refused to investigate, and the media ignored it, and people who peacefull protested were censored and attacked....
I'd see it as a coup and would probably be attacking my Parliament as well

Exactly, it was foreseeable, which makes Trump and his puppets lies about the election fraud so much worse. It wasn't political hyperbole, it was incitement to violence which is what it lead to. He made false claims many of which can be directly disproven and the others he was never able to verify, yet he keeps saying them, his idiot followers believe them, and the nutters are acting on them.

I did not see it coming. Generally conservatives are pretty mild. I expected the demonstration to just stand there and make some noise and be forgotten.


I was surprised when the riot broke out.

I wasn't... I literally called my family while Trump was giving his speech and told them to tune in because shit was about to go down. I told them Trump just threw Pence under the bus and there is a mob of angry people that are about to go mess things up. It was clear and obvious what Trump was doing and what was about to happen. If you couldn't see that then you have blinders on. But you support Trump so I guess the blinders are a given

My expectation of a peaceful demonstration was based on decades of observation of demonstration conservatives who, even when pissed off, almost always obeyed the law and demonstrated peacefully and then went home.


What was yours based on?

Mine was based on common sense. You can’t use historical precedent when you have a president that breaks all the norms. My observations were correct. I called my family before the riot to tell them there was about to be a riot. How did I know?! Because it was obvious. The real question you should be asking yourself is why you were surprised and why you couldn’t see it coming when it was so easy to see what Trump was doing.

Trump did not break all the norms.

His style was odd. He was disagreeable and vulgar. But his policies and actions were measured and restrained.

So, you were right, but for the wrong reasons. That happens. Like the way I was initially attracted to my wife because of her, well, never mind.

I was right for the right reasons. Because I can see the effects that a con man has on his followers. The question is why couldn’t you see it coming?

I asked what you based your conclusion on, and the reasons you gave were not true.


THus, you were right for the wrong reasons.


Hey, better than being wrong for the right reasons.


YOur spin is dismissed.

Well this is coming from somebody who was wrong and blindsided so perhaps what you think im wrong about isn’t really wrong.

No one is prefect. Being wrong once does not mean that my judgement is valueless.

YOur stated reasons were not true. Thus you were right for the wrong reasons.

My stated reasons weren’t true yet I was right. So I must have seen something that you didn’t see. Your Perceived reality was wrong and left you blindsided. That should tell you something

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.


If I found that I was consistently wrong, then your point that I should reexamine my perceptions would be correct.


BUt so far, this was a one off.

What do you think I lied about. What I observed was obvious and predictable... yet it surprised you. Gee, let’s think about that for a sec

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

You admitted that you were surprised at the riot. I said it was obvious and easy to see coming. I’m not lying about that, If you think I’m lying then why don’t you tell me what really happened. What am I getting wrong?

I fully explained what you were lying about. YOur pretense of confusion is you lying again.

Your need to avoid being honest about what I say, how can that not be a red flag for you?

Wow, that was a lot of words for a non answer. What a waste of space. Want to try again?

Nope. Your tactic of pretending to misunderstand a clear statement to then ask stupid questions, is an odd game, but one I am willing to play.


Pretend to be too retarded to understand a simple sentence again, and I will call you on your lying again.


I'm not sure of the point, but I am sure that I am kidding your ass.

Where in that statement was a clear sentence stating what the hell you’re talking about?! Nowhere!!! If you’ve been so clear then just copy and paste it. I honestly have no clue what you’re talking about. I think you got schooled and are just trying to confuse things to distract from the fact you lack a solid argument.

I don't believe that you are so retarded that you did not understand it initially.

I am willing to consider that you might be stupid enough to have forgotten since it has been several posts so here it is again.



People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

Oh ok, well I agree that people can be correct through luck. I don’t think that’s the case here, I just think I was more perceptive because what Trump was doing had a painfully obvious effect which I could see coming from a mile away.... you on the other hand were cause blindsided so you obviously didn’t see it.

now you are able to look at things in hindsight. If you think what I’ve said was wrong then state why... see this is how normal debate works. It shouldn’t take pages and me explaining it like to a third grader.

I already explained my reasoning. DECADES of watching conservatives protest, even angry, but obeying the law and being peaceful.

THe violence and destruction has almost solely been on the left..


So, this change up was a surprise.

IN HINDSIGHT. it is less surprising considering the normalization of violence by five years of riots by antifa and blm.

Ok but after the surprise wore off what did you see what caused the change?

Sure. THe years of political violence from your side that made it the new norm.

Haha, this is the best one yet. So since the left is violent it inspired the right to be violent? You really want to go with that? Has the lefts push for big government also inspired the right to support big government? Your arguments are getting dumber and dumber.

Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point. I made it very clear. YOu don't need to restate it using your own words. (and thus adding your own spin, dishonestly).


ADDRESS MY POINT OR DON'T POST.

Your point is absolute bullshit. There has been violence from the right wing forever just as there has been from the left wing. At trump rallies in 2016 he had supporter punching protesters in the face, he encouraged it......

there I directly addressed your point. Now you address mine. Don’t distract

Punching a HECKLER, is a pretty minor example to lead off with, considering the 5 years of riots from your side. Charlettosville was the FAR right, not conservatives.


Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point.

Haha, ok so my examples just don’t count. I could give more but I guess those wouldn’t count either. Why do I bother. You’re hopeless.

I can play that game though... the summer riots were just the FAR Left not liberals. So they don’t count either. How’s that for ya?

not bad. The actual rioters, imo, were far left.


The support they got from elected dem officials, that were not denounced by the dem party as a whole, though that is more troubling.

Ahhh right, you’re probably stuck in the right wing media bubble. Here is the leader of the Dems condemning violence... Fact check: Joe Biden has condemned protest-related violence all summer

Interesting. I clearly was discussing not the violence, but the support of the violence by dem mayors.

DId Biden ever denounce the mayors that ordered the cops to stand down so that rioters could riot, loot and kill?

Which mayor? Can you give me a name?

Ted Wheeler is the most obvious.

This guy? Do you wanna try somebody else?

Portland Mayor Wheeler condemns violence during riot downtown

PORTLAND, Ore. – Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler denounced the violence during an overnight riot downtown where demonstrators pulled down statues and broke the windows of the Oregon Historical Society. The mayor was joined by Police Chief Chuck Lovell, Oregon Representative Tawna Sanchez, and Oregon...

katu.com

lol, you really do love those empty words, don't you?

Ted Wheeler, Portland mayor, stands by decision to allow Antifa to block traffic

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.

www.washingtontimes.com

By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Sunday, October 14, 2018


"Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.
“I was appalled by what I saw in the video, but I support the Portland Police Bureau’s decision not to intervene,” he said at a press conference. “This whole incident will be investigated.”
The video posted by journalist Andy C. Ngo showed protesters, including members of antifa and Black Lives Matter, blocking an intersection and attempting to direct traffic at while officers on motorcycle watched from a block away.



At one point, the activists chased down 74-year-old Kent Houser after he made a right turn against their wishes, pounding on his silver Lexus and breaking a window. The car sustained thousands of dollars in damage, he told the Oregonian.

Even so, Mr. Wheeler insisted that “motorists should feel completely safe coming into downtown Portland.”

Demonstrators did not obtain a permit before holding the Oct. 6 march...

The mayor has been accused of taking a kid-gloved approach to the protests that routinely roil the liberal enclave, such as the summer occupation of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement building, which saw Portland police refuse to assist the immigration-enforcement officers unless they were in physical danger."

Empty words? Not really... your critique is that he stood by the decision of his police chief and that somehow is supposed to prove what exactly?? You said the Mayors never spoke out against the violence. I showed otherwise.

Police chiefs don't set policy, they follow it. That the mayor shifted teh blame for his policies onto his police chief is him being a democrat, nothing more.


The police stood by while the rioters rioted. and people were assaulted.


That the mayor was too much of a democrat to admit that he ordered that, is to be expected.

My bad I must have missed the policy or order that the mayor gave to the police chief. Can you post a link, I can’t find info on that .

Even dem mayors are smart enough to LIE about that. But the results are clear. THe cops stand down while antifa and/or blm riot though the streets.

Are you saying you don’t have a link or anything showing that this was a policy or order from the Mayor? So did you just lie about it?

I'm saying that ted wheeler has been on the side of the mob, for the last several years. THe few empty words he says to the contrary of his actions are just put out there for the really stupid to swallow.


He is one example of that.

says the person who swallows lies from the far right every day of his/her/its life.....

"... lies from the far right....."

There is no Far Right in this country.....only a Far Left.


I'll use you to prove it.


As documented in a number of threads, there is no Far Right in America, but certainly is a Far Left, radicals who have taken over one of the parties….the Democrats. A reminder: To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center. American traditions, values, and history represent that center. The Right, represented by the Republican Party, has no radial positions not consistent with America’s heritage…..but the Democrats sure do!

Subservient to the master they serve, that fire and brimstone guy, the Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Talk about “Far”!!!!

If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



When you can't find any 'far' positions on the right, you will have proved your acceptance of Democrat propaganda.

They don’t get much dumber that politicalchic .... it’s like basic knowledge and logic are completely out the window.

Said the man asking for proof about the last 5 years off riots.

Haha. Can you show where I asked for proof about 5 years of riots?

Can you do anything other than dodge and weave?


For 5 years we have had riots in teh streets from the far left, with the support, of varying degrees from the mainstream left,

and that is just sort of accepted, while you people are pretending to be absolutely outraged over the ONE riot from the right.

Im not dodging a thing, just calling out your BS. You say these things but when pressed fail to back them up. Besides maybe the cherrypicked outcast whom you haven’t shown, I haven’t seen anybody in leadership, no Mayors or congressmen or media supporting the riots. You make these claims and then can’t back them up. It’s a nice distraction to avoid talking about Trump and the Jan 6 riot which is the actual topic of the thread... but you’re not fooling anybody.

I'm not trying to distract from anything. I've been happy to discuss Trump and the 1/6 riot.

YOu are the one that wants to invent reasons to ignore the hundreds from your side over the last 5 years.

What do you think I’m ignoring?! I’m just pointing out the dishonest things you’ve been claiming. The fact you can’t show proof to back up the things I’ve questioned you about shows that.

You've been playing word games to deflect, minimize, or confuse the part of the issue that is the hundreds of riots from YOUR side of the partisan divide.


YOu want to just talk shit about my side, and the ONE riot we have to our "credit", to smear us and marginalize us, and thus justify your next round of escalation,

while ignoring the context of your side's violence.

I don’t really have a side. I dislike dem policies but respect their goals when it comes to social issues. I think Republicans are horrible at messaging, most are an embarrassment, but I support more of their fiscal policies. I think both parties are corrupt. But my personal views don’t matter to this debate, so let’s get back to it shall we??

I see you being dishonest and I’m calling out yoir dishonesty it’s as simple as that. We were talking about the capital riot and now we are talking about the summer riots. That’s because of you. That’s the distraction. But I’m fine going there, the summer riots were wrong and bad. But stop lying about dem support that doesn’t exist

Talking about a riot in isolation, ignoring the fact that it took place during a period of civil unrest makes it impossible to have any real insight into the riot or the forces behind it or what it meant.

Who is ignoring the fact it happened during a time of civil unrest?! I’d be the first to admit that we are living in a extremely polarized and tense time politically. Another great gift from Mr Trump

The vast majority of the riots came from the Left. ONly one of them were from teh right.


Seems this period of political unrest is a gift from the Left.


It is really worth noting that hte one righty riot you want to talk about, came at the END of Trump's administration.

Well the riots on the left were centered around millions of people protesting for racial equality. That doesn’t excuse those who acted out but that’s what it was. There were many riots during the civil rights movement in the 60s and I bet the majority of Americans would agree that cause was righteous. The Jan 6 riot was an attempt to overthrow our government in order to stop what they were lied to and told was a stolen election. They also wanted to kill our VP because trump lied and said he had the ability to stop the certification. These are two very very very different things. I don’t understand why people like you keep trying to compare them as similar situations.

You lying asshole.....the protest on Jan. 6 wasn't about over throwing the government....that is why no one in the Capitol building during the protest had a gun......

again...

600 million guns in America....

over 19.4 million Americans with the legal ability to carry guns for self defense....

Over 100,000 Trump supporters...

About 200 people entered the capitol building...

They had Zero guns.........

You do not over throw a government without guns...you mindless moron.......

The Trump supporters wandered the halls and took selfies......antifa and blm plants in the crowd vandalized the place and fought with some of the police......

Hahahhahahaha. Are you shitting me?! The whole point of the riot was to stop the steal and they tried to do so by force. That is literally overthrowing our system of government... the definition of an insurrection. Wake up

The stop the Steal campaign was about preserving democracy, demanding audits, free and fair elections.
It was a Human Rights protest by Pro Democracy activists.
The coup happened on November 3rd.

Haha. No the stop the steal campaign was a bunch of poor sport losers who couldn’t handle getting whooped at the polls and they were led by the worst of them all Trump

The leader of stop the Steal is a black muslim.
The election was unconstitutional and rigged.
Time magazine even admitted a secret cabal of pwerful people rigged it in the weeks and months prior.
Deal with it.

The courts disagree with you... sorry but that’s how our system works.

Appeal to Authority logical fallacy. Your point is basically MIGHT MAKES RIGHT.


That really all you have to defend your position? Cause that is basically admitting that you are wrong.

Haha, not at all. Our system of government, via the constitution which I’m sure you pretend to hold so dear, has a method set up to settle disputes like this. This system is at the foundation of what our country is. Trump is the only president in our history that I can think of that actively campaigned against that system and tried to undermine it. That toxic thinking has seemed to spill over onto you and your ilk as well. If you can’t respect and trust our justice system and the results it yields then that is the pathway to losing our country. If the only answer is your way or the highway then it paints a pretty clear picture for how immature and egotistical your arguments are.

You have given up arguing that what your side did was morally or ethically right, and are just citing that you won.


That is what is toxic here. Your desire to win and to crush your enemies, who you think should never be allowed to have a turn even if they win.

Doesn’t have anything to do with winning the election, it has to do with the obvious lies Trump tossed out there and the failed efforts to prove any of it. His claimed were challenged in court, elections systems were audited, recounts took place. His claims were vetted, more than they needed to be IMO but they were. Our system showed that he was lying

My point was that you are not making your case at all, just Appealing to Authority.


That is you giving up the argument.

Haha, you’re missing the point. You are ignorant, I am ignorant, we have an insignificant fraction of information about what actually happened in regards to election fraud. Neither of us saw anything first hand so all we have are media/agency reports and a review of the actual events that happened. And in regards to that, every one of our legal systems showed that the election was legit and trump was a lying. The DOJ reviewed the evidence, more evidence than you or I have access too, and Barr said there was nothing there, 60+ independent courts reviewed several different cases in several different states... nothing there. There was a case presented to SCOTUS, nothing.... multiple states did audits and recounts, nothing.... the states certified, congress certified. What the hell else more do you want?! This is insanity.

Am I putting trust in entities outside of my own two eyes?? Yes, we all have to. I’m putting trust in our system. I’m using logic. I’m not hiding from the argument, I’m making the argument. From what I’ve seen and from the results our system has produced is pretty damn clear that the election was legit and Trump is a liar. I really don’t see how that can be rationally disputed

Trust in the system is not an argument in defense of a position.

Of course it is, the “system” has several different checks and balances, independent entities, all of which have much more actual verified intel than you or I... as I laid out. Now what do you have to base your opinion on? Trump? YouTube videos? Memes?

My opinion? My position is that you have given up making your case is based on your taking a stand on APPEAL TO AUTHORITY.

Appeal to entities that have more intelligence and evidence than I do. Has nothing to do with authority. I’ll ask again though. What is your opinion based on?

Depends on the issue. Mostly my reasoning and judgement.


I don't know if I ever say, just because someone else says it. That is the act of a small child. Or someone who knows on some level that the truth is not on their side.

That’s not what I’m saying either. What are you basing your reasoning and judgement on. What facts and intelligence?

 

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If my country had a fraudulent election to the scale of November 2020, and the Nation's Intel agencyy refused to investigate, and the media ignored it, and people who peacefull protested were censored and attacked....
I'd see it as a coup and would probably be attacking my Parliament as well

Exactly, it was foreseeable, which makes Trump and his puppets lies about the election fraud so much worse. It wasn't political hyperbole, it was incitement to violence which is what it lead to. He made false claims many of which can be directly disproven and the others he was never able to verify, yet he keeps saying them, his idiot followers believe them, and the nutters are acting on them.

I did not see it coming. Generally conservatives are pretty mild. I expected the demonstration to just stand there and make some noise and be forgotten.


I was surprised when the riot broke out.

I wasn't... I literally called my family while Trump was giving his speech and told them to tune in because shit was about to go down. I told them Trump just threw Pence under the bus and there is a mob of angry people that are about to go mess things up. It was clear and obvious what Trump was doing and what was about to happen. If you couldn't see that then you have blinders on. But you support Trump so I guess the blinders are a given

My expectation of a peaceful demonstration was based on decades of observation of demonstration conservatives who, even when pissed off, almost always obeyed the law and demonstrated peacefully and then went home.


What was yours based on?

Mine was based on common sense. You can’t use historical precedent when you have a president that breaks all the norms. My observations were correct. I called my family before the riot to tell them there was about to be a riot. How did I know?! Because it was obvious. The real question you should be asking yourself is why you were surprised and why you couldn’t see it coming when it was so easy to see what Trump was doing.

Trump did not break all the norms.

His style was odd. He was disagreeable and vulgar. But his policies and actions were measured and restrained.

So, you were right, but for the wrong reasons. That happens. Like the way I was initially attracted to my wife because of her, well, never mind.

I was right for the right reasons. Because I can see the effects that a con man has on his followers. The question is why couldn’t you see it coming?

I asked what you based your conclusion on, and the reasons you gave were not true.


THus, you were right for the wrong reasons.


Hey, better than being wrong for the right reasons.


YOur spin is dismissed.

Well this is coming from somebody who was wrong and blindsided so perhaps what you think im wrong about isn’t really wrong.

No one is prefect. Being wrong once does not mean that my judgement is valueless.

YOur stated reasons were not true. Thus you were right for the wrong reasons.

My stated reasons weren’t true yet I was right. So I must have seen something that you didn’t see. Your Perceived reality was wrong and left you blindsided. That should tell you something

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.


If I found that I was consistently wrong, then your point that I should reexamine my perceptions would be correct.


BUt so far, this was a one off.

What do you think I lied about. What I observed was obvious and predictable... yet it surprised you. Gee, let’s think about that for a sec

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

You admitted that you were surprised at the riot. I said it was obvious and easy to see coming. I’m not lying about that, If you think I’m lying then why don’t you tell me what really happened. What am I getting wrong?

I fully explained what you were lying about. YOur pretense of confusion is you lying again.

Your need to avoid being honest about what I say, how can that not be a red flag for you?

Wow, that was a lot of words for a non answer. What a waste of space. Want to try again?

Nope. Your tactic of pretending to misunderstand a clear statement to then ask stupid questions, is an odd game, but one I am willing to play.


Pretend to be too retarded to understand a simple sentence again, and I will call you on your lying again.


I'm not sure of the point, but I am sure that I am kidding your ass.

Where in that statement was a clear sentence stating what the hell you’re talking about?! Nowhere!!! If you’ve been so clear then just copy and paste it. I honestly have no clue what you’re talking about. I think you got schooled and are just trying to confuse things to distract from the fact you lack a solid argument.

I don't believe that you are so retarded that you did not understand it initially.

I am willing to consider that you might be stupid enough to have forgotten since it has been several posts so here it is again.



People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

Oh ok, well I agree that people can be correct through luck. I don’t think that’s the case here, I just think I was more perceptive because what Trump was doing had a painfully obvious effect which I could see coming from a mile away.... you on the other hand were cause blindsided so you obviously didn’t see it.

now you are able to look at things in hindsight. If you think what I’ve said was wrong then state why... see this is how normal debate works. It shouldn’t take pages and me explaining it like to a third grader.

I already explained my reasoning. DECADES of watching conservatives protest, even angry, but obeying the law and being peaceful.

THe violence and destruction has almost solely been on the left..


So, this change up was a surprise.

IN HINDSIGHT. it is less surprising considering the normalization of violence by five years of riots by antifa and blm.

Ok but after the surprise wore off what did you see what caused the change?

Sure. THe years of political violence from your side that made it the new norm.

Haha, this is the best one yet. So since the left is violent it inspired the right to be violent? You really want to go with that? Has the lefts push for big government also inspired the right to support big government? Your arguments are getting dumber and dumber.

Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point. I made it very clear. YOu don't need to restate it using your own words. (and thus adding your own spin, dishonestly).


ADDRESS MY POINT OR DON'T POST.

Your point is absolute bullshit. There has been violence from the right wing forever just as there has been from the left wing. At trump rallies in 2016 he had supporter punching protesters in the face, he encouraged it......

there I directly addressed your point. Now you address mine. Don’t distract

Punching a HECKLER, is a pretty minor example to lead off with, considering the 5 years of riots from your side. Charlettosville was the FAR right, not conservatives.


Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point.

Haha, ok so my examples just don’t count. I could give more but I guess those wouldn’t count either. Why do I bother. You’re hopeless.

I can play that game though... the summer riots were just the FAR Left not liberals. So they don’t count either. How’s that for ya?

not bad. The actual rioters, imo, were far left.


The support they got from elected dem officials, that were not denounced by the dem party as a whole, though that is more troubling.

Ahhh right, you’re probably stuck in the right wing media bubble. Here is the leader of the Dems condemning violence... Fact check: Joe Biden has condemned protest-related violence all summer

Interesting. I clearly was discussing not the violence, but the support of the violence by dem mayors.

DId Biden ever denounce the mayors that ordered the cops to stand down so that rioters could riot, loot and kill?

Which mayor? Can you give me a name?

Ted Wheeler is the most obvious.

This guy? Do you wanna try somebody else?

Portland Mayor Wheeler condemns violence during riot downtown

PORTLAND, Ore. – Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler denounced the violence during an overnight riot downtown where demonstrators pulled down statues and broke the windows of the Oregon Historical Society. The mayor was joined by Police Chief Chuck Lovell, Oregon Representative Tawna Sanchez, and Oregon...

katu.com

lol, you really do love those empty words, don't you?

Ted Wheeler, Portland mayor, stands by decision to allow Antifa to block traffic

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.

www.washingtontimes.com

By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Sunday, October 14, 2018


"Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.
“I was appalled by what I saw in the video, but I support the Portland Police Bureau’s decision not to intervene,” he said at a press conference. “This whole incident will be investigated.”
The video posted by journalist Andy C. Ngo showed protesters, including members of antifa and Black Lives Matter, blocking an intersection and attempting to direct traffic at while officers on motorcycle watched from a block away.



At one point, the activists chased down 74-year-old Kent Houser after he made a right turn against their wishes, pounding on his silver Lexus and breaking a window. The car sustained thousands of dollars in damage, he told the Oregonian.

Even so, Mr. Wheeler insisted that “motorists should feel completely safe coming into downtown Portland.”

Demonstrators did not obtain a permit before holding the Oct. 6 march...

The mayor has been accused of taking a kid-gloved approach to the protests that routinely roil the liberal enclave, such as the summer occupation of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement building, which saw Portland police refuse to assist the immigration-enforcement officers unless they were in physical danger."

Empty words? Not really... your critique is that he stood by the decision of his police chief and that somehow is supposed to prove what exactly?? You said the Mayors never spoke out against the violence. I showed otherwise.

Police chiefs don't set policy, they follow it. That the mayor shifted teh blame for his policies onto his police chief is him being a democrat, nothing more.


The police stood by while the rioters rioted. and people were assaulted.


That the mayor was too much of a democrat to admit that he ordered that, is to be expected.

My bad I must have missed the policy or order that the mayor gave to the police chief. Can you post a link, I can’t find info on that .

Even dem mayors are smart enough to LIE about that. But the results are clear. THe cops stand down while antifa and/or blm riot though the streets.

Are you saying you don’t have a link or anything showing that this was a policy or order from the Mayor? So did you just lie about it?

I'm saying that ted wheeler has been on the side of the mob, for the last several years. THe few empty words he says to the contrary of his actions are just put out there for the really stupid to swallow.


He is one example of that.

says the person who swallows lies from the far right every day of his/her/its life.....

"... lies from the far right....."

There is no Far Right in this country.....only a Far Left.


I'll use you to prove it.


As documented in a number of threads, there is no Far Right in America, but certainly is a Far Left, radicals who have taken over one of the parties….the Democrats. A reminder: To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center. American traditions, values, and history represent that center. The Right, represented by the Republican Party, has no radial positions not consistent with America’s heritage…..but the Democrats sure do!

Subservient to the master they serve, that fire and brimstone guy, the Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Talk about “Far”!!!!

If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



When you can't find any 'far' positions on the right, you will have proved your acceptance of Democrat propaganda.

They don’t get much dumber that politicalchic .... it’s like basic knowledge and logic are completely out the window.

Said the man asking for proof about the last 5 years off riots.

Haha. Can you show where I asked for proof about 5 years of riots?

Can you do anything other than dodge and weave?


For 5 years we have had riots in teh streets from the far left, with the support, of varying degrees from the mainstream left,

and that is just sort of accepted, while you people are pretending to be absolutely outraged over the ONE riot from the right.

Im not dodging a thing, just calling out your BS. You say these things but when pressed fail to back them up. Besides maybe the cherrypicked outcast whom you haven’t shown, I haven’t seen anybody in leadership, no Mayors or congressmen or media supporting the riots. You make these claims and then can’t back them up. It’s a nice distraction to avoid talking about Trump and the Jan 6 riot which is the actual topic of the thread... but you’re not fooling anybody.

I'm not trying to distract from anything. I've been happy to discuss Trump and the 1/6 riot.

YOu are the one that wants to invent reasons to ignore the hundreds from your side over the last 5 years.

What do you think I’m ignoring?! I’m just pointing out the dishonest things you’ve been claiming. The fact you can’t show proof to back up the things I’ve questioned you about shows that.

You've been playing word games to deflect, minimize, or confuse the part of the issue that is the hundreds of riots from YOUR side of the partisan divide.


YOu want to just talk shit about my side, and the ONE riot we have to our "credit", to smear us and marginalize us, and thus justify your next round of escalation,

while ignoring the context of your side's violence.

I don’t really have a side. I dislike dem policies but respect their goals when it comes to social issues. I think Republicans are horrible at messaging, most are an embarrassment, but I support more of their fiscal policies. I think both parties are corrupt. But my personal views don’t matter to this debate, so let’s get back to it shall we??

I see you being dishonest and I’m calling out yoir dishonesty it’s as simple as that. We were talking about the capital riot and now we are talking about the summer riots. That’s because of you. That’s the distraction. But I’m fine going there, the summer riots were wrong and bad. But stop lying about dem support that doesn’t exist

Talking about a riot in isolation, ignoring the fact that it took place during a period of civil unrest makes it impossible to have any real insight into the riot or the forces behind it or what it meant.

Who is ignoring the fact it happened during a time of civil unrest?! I’d be the first to admit that we are living in a extremely polarized and tense time politically. Another great gift from Mr Trump

The vast majority of the riots came from the Left. ONly one of them were from teh right.


Seems this period of political unrest is a gift from the Left.


It is really worth noting that hte one righty riot you want to talk about, came at the END of Trump's administration.

Well the riots on the left were centered around millions of people protesting for racial equality. That doesn’t excuse those who acted out but that’s what it was. There were many riots during the civil rights movement in the 60s and I bet the majority of Americans would agree that cause was righteous. The Jan 6 riot was an attempt to overthrow our government in order to stop what they were lied to and told was a stolen election. They also wanted to kill our VP because trump lied and said he had the ability to stop the certification. These are two very very very different things. I don’t understand why people like you keep trying to compare them as similar situations.

You lying asshole.....the protest on Jan. 6 wasn't about over throwing the government....that is why no one in the Capitol building during the protest had a gun......

again...

600 million guns in America....

over 19.4 million Americans with the legal ability to carry guns for self defense....

Over 100,000 Trump supporters...

About 200 people entered the capitol building...

They had Zero guns.........

You do not over throw a government without guns...you mindless moron.......

The Trump supporters wandered the halls and took selfies......antifa and blm plants in the crowd vandalized the place and fought with some of the police......

Hahahhahahaha. Are you shitting me?! The whole point of the riot was to stop the steal and they tried to do so by force. That is literally overthrowing our system of government... the definition of an insurrection. Wake up

How is it overthrowing the system when you yourself admitted it was a Steal.

They thought it was a steal because they were lied to. It obviously was not stolen. Our elections systems have too many safeguards working independently of each other for that to happen

No system is any better than the people making it up. And dems have shown that they will lie and cheat and abuse ANY power they are given.

Yup, so have the Republicans. Power corrupts

FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But you dems have abused every single iota of power you have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.

I’m not a democrat

lol. Sure. Ok then.

FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But the dems have abused every single iota of power they have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.

Yeah I agree, the Dems need a respectable check on their power because they don’t have very good ideas and are riddled with corruption. But the Reps have been at a whole different level as of late and thanks to Trump their party is blown to pieces. Now they don’t even have a platform to run on

Trump was fine. Your pretense otherwise is not rational.

I disagree, he relentlessly trolled causing crippling partisan division and he constantly lied to the American people. The guy is a disgrace and now he has half the Republican Party standing behind his lies supporting an insurrection and at each others throats. It’s pathetic and sad for our country. The Dems sure are grateful

You say "insurrection" to try to make that ONE riot, as bad as 5 years of riots from your side.


Your side is the side that is tearing this nation apart. That you whine like this over ONE small riot of 200 people, after hundred of riots from your side, is you being weak and pathetic.

The reason why the Jan 6 insurrection was so much worse than the summer riots is because jan 6 was based on lies from the most powerful man in the world who we gave that power to. A betrayal of our public trust that resulted in an attempt to over through our government. The summer riots have no excuse but they were criminals taking advantage of a huge movement of national outrage over racial equality. I’m sorry that you can’t see the difference.

Bullshit. The "Reason" you are pretending that the 1/6 riot is so much worse than the HUNDREDS of riots before it, is because it is the ONLY one that you can blame on the other side.


YOU people are the ones that have been using violence as a political tool.


And now you want to dodge ownership of your actions.


That is the act of a coward.

Why can’t you post the definition of insurrection so we can settle this?

Because we both know that delaying a formality by a few hours, is not it.


The "Reason" you are pretending that the 1/6 riot is so much worse than the HUNDREDS of riots before it, is because it is the ONLY one that you can blame on the other side.

Why can’t you post the definition of insurrection?

 

[Faun]

Why give illegal aliens free food stamps, and then tell them to go and vote?








Transcript:



RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting.

[And that is who she is speaking for!]

So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
[Who would come for legal citizens voting?????????]
OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself.

[Just like you.....a bald-faced liar!]

And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera.

[Meaning: 'Go ahead and vote....no one will be the wiser!']



The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

[Meaning, I guess....if you are living with lots of other illegals...well, heck, at least some of you should go vote! After all....Trump is trying to get rid of you illegals!]

You're still lying about that?? How sad. In reality, Obama told illegals they can't legally vote; and he told "Latino citizens" to vote because their vote matter for illegals.

...what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you're not just speaking for yourself. You're speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school... who may not have a voice. Who can't legally vote. But they're counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard."​

He was clearly playing along with the woman's suggestion that illegal aliens were citizens and should vote.

If he was not a whore angling for hispanic votes, or illegal votes, he should have right there, made his anti-illegal position clear.


Except... he is not really anti-illegal, is he?

You're deranged. Neither of them said non-citizenscoukd or should vote; and he did clearly state it is illegal for non-citizens to vote. He also twice promoted a website which stated only citizens can vote.

 

[Faun]

If my country had a fraudulent election to the scale of November 2020, and the Nation's Intel agencyy refused to investigate, and the media ignored it, and people who peacefull protested were censored and attacked....
I'd see it as a coup and would probably be attacking my Parliament as well

Exactly, it was foreseeable, which makes Trump and his puppets lies about the election fraud so much worse. It wasn't political hyperbole, it was incitement to violence which is what it lead to. He made false claims many of which can be directly disproven and the others he was never able to verify, yet he keeps saying them, his idiot followers believe them, and the nutters are acting on them.

I did not see it coming. Generally conservatives are pretty mild. I expected the demonstration to just stand there and make some noise and be forgotten.


I was surprised when the riot broke out.

I wasn't... I literally called my family while Trump was giving his speech and told them to tune in because shit was about to go down. I told them Trump just threw Pence under the bus and there is a mob of angry people that are about to go mess things up. It was clear and obvious what Trump was doing and what was about to happen. If you couldn't see that then you have blinders on. But you support Trump so I guess the blinders are a given

My expectation of a peaceful demonstration was based on decades of observation of demonstration conservatives who, even when pissed off, almost always obeyed the law and demonstrated peacefully and then went home.


What was yours based on?

Mine was based on common sense. You can’t use historical precedent when you have a president that breaks all the norms. My observations were correct. I called my family before the riot to tell them there was about to be a riot. How did I know?! Because it was obvious. The real question you should be asking yourself is why you were surprised and why you couldn’t see it coming when it was so easy to see what Trump was doing.

Trump did not break all the norms.

His style was odd. He was disagreeable and vulgar. But his policies and actions were measured and restrained.

So, you were right, but for the wrong reasons. That happens. Like the way I was initially attracted to my wife because of her, well, never mind.

I was right for the right reasons. Because I can see the effects that a con man has on his followers. The question is why couldn’t you see it coming?

I asked what you based your conclusion on, and the reasons you gave were not true.


THus, you were right for the wrong reasons.


Hey, better than being wrong for the right reasons.


YOur spin is dismissed.

Well this is coming from somebody who was wrong and blindsided so perhaps what you think im wrong about isn’t really wrong.

No one is prefect. Being wrong once does not mean that my judgement is valueless.

YOur stated reasons were not true. Thus you were right for the wrong reasons.

My stated reasons weren’t true yet I was right. So I must have seen something that you didn’t see. Your Perceived reality was wrong and left you blindsided. That should tell you something

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.


If I found that I was consistently wrong, then your point that I should reexamine my perceptions would be correct.


BUt so far, this was a one off.

What do you think I lied about. What I observed was obvious and predictable... yet it surprised you. Gee, let’s think about that for a sec

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

You admitted that you were surprised at the riot. I said it was obvious and easy to see coming. I’m not lying about that, If you think I’m lying then why don’t you tell me what really happened. What am I getting wrong?

I fully explained what you were lying about. YOur pretense of confusion is you lying again.

Your need to avoid being honest about what I say, how can that not be a red flag for you?

Wow, that was a lot of words for a non answer. What a waste of space. Want to try again?

Nope. Your tactic of pretending to misunderstand a clear statement to then ask stupid questions, is an odd game, but one I am willing to play.


Pretend to be too retarded to understand a simple sentence again, and I will call you on your lying again.


I'm not sure of the point, but I am sure that I am kidding your ass.

Where in that statement was a clear sentence stating what the hell you’re talking about?! Nowhere!!! If you’ve been so clear then just copy and paste it. I honestly have no clue what you’re talking about. I think you got schooled and are just trying to confuse things to distract from the fact you lack a solid argument.

I don't believe that you are so retarded that you did not understand it initially.

I am willing to consider that you might be stupid enough to have forgotten since it has been several posts so here it is again.



People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

Oh ok, well I agree that people can be correct through luck. I don’t think that’s the case here, I just think I was more perceptive because what Trump was doing had a painfully obvious effect which I could see coming from a mile away.... you on the other hand were cause blindsided so you obviously didn’t see it.

now you are able to look at things in hindsight. If you think what I’ve said was wrong then state why... see this is how normal debate works. It shouldn’t take pages and me explaining it like to a third grader.

I already explained my reasoning. DECADES of watching conservatives protest, even angry, but obeying the law and being peaceful.

THe violence and destruction has almost solely been on the left..


So, this change up was a surprise.

IN HINDSIGHT. it is less surprising considering the normalization of violence by five years of riots by antifa and blm.

Ok but after the surprise wore off what did you see what caused the change?

Sure. THe years of political violence from your side that made it the new norm.

Haha, this is the best one yet. So since the left is violent it inspired the right to be violent? You really want to go with that? Has the lefts push for big government also inspired the right to support big government? Your arguments are getting dumber and dumber.

Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point. I made it very clear. YOu don't need to restate it using your own words. (and thus adding your own spin, dishonestly).


ADDRESS MY POINT OR DON'T POST.

Your point is absolute bullshit. There has been violence from the right wing forever just as there has been from the left wing. At trump rallies in 2016 he had supporter punching protesters in the face, he encouraged it......

there I directly addressed your point. Now you address mine. Don’t distract

Punching a HECKLER, is a pretty minor example to lead off with, considering the 5 years of riots from your side. Charlettosville was the FAR right, not conservatives.


Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point.

Haha, ok so my examples just don’t count. I could give more but I guess those wouldn’t count either. Why do I bother. You’re hopeless.

I can play that game though... the summer riots were just the FAR Left not liberals. So they don’t count either. How’s that for ya?

not bad. The actual rioters, imo, were far left.


The support they got from elected dem officials, that were not denounced by the dem party as a whole, though that is more troubling.

Ahhh right, you’re probably stuck in the right wing media bubble. Here is the leader of the Dems condemning violence... Fact check: Joe Biden has condemned protest-related violence all summer

Interesting. I clearly was discussing not the violence, but the support of the violence by dem mayors.

DId Biden ever denounce the mayors that ordered the cops to stand down so that rioters could riot, loot and kill?

Which mayor? Can you give me a name?

Ted Wheeler is the most obvious.

This guy? Do you wanna try somebody else?

Portland Mayor Wheeler condemns violence during riot downtown

PORTLAND, Ore. – Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler denounced the violence during an overnight riot downtown where demonstrators pulled down statues and broke the windows of the Oregon Historical Society. The mayor was joined by Police Chief Chuck Lovell, Oregon Representative Tawna Sanchez, and Oregon...

katu.com

lol, you really do love those empty words, don't you?

Ted Wheeler, Portland mayor, stands by decision to allow Antifa to block traffic

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.

www.washingtontimes.com

By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Sunday, October 14, 2018


"Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.
“I was appalled by what I saw in the video, but I support the Portland Police Bureau’s decision not to intervene,” he said at a press conference. “This whole incident will be investigated.”
The video posted by journalist Andy C. Ngo showed protesters, including members of antifa and Black Lives Matter, blocking an intersection and attempting to direct traffic at while officers on motorcycle watched from a block away.



At one point, the activists chased down 74-year-old Kent Houser after he made a right turn against their wishes, pounding on his silver Lexus and breaking a window. The car sustained thousands of dollars in damage, he told the Oregonian.

Even so, Mr. Wheeler insisted that “motorists should feel completely safe coming into downtown Portland.”

Demonstrators did not obtain a permit before holding the Oct. 6 march...

The mayor has been accused of taking a kid-gloved approach to the protests that routinely roil the liberal enclave, such as the summer occupation of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement building, which saw Portland police refuse to assist the immigration-enforcement officers unless they were in physical danger."

Empty words? Not really... your critique is that he stood by the decision of his police chief and that somehow is supposed to prove what exactly?? You said the Mayors never spoke out against the violence. I showed otherwise.

Police chiefs don't set policy, they follow it. That the mayor shifted teh blame for his policies onto his police chief is him being a democrat, nothing more.


The police stood by while the rioters rioted. and people were assaulted.


That the mayor was too much of a democrat to admit that he ordered that, is to be expected.

My bad I must have missed the policy or order that the mayor gave to the police chief. Can you post a link, I can’t find info on that .

Even dem mayors are smart enough to LIE about that. But the results are clear. THe cops stand down while antifa and/or blm riot though the streets.

Are you saying you don’t have a link or anything showing that this was a policy or order from the Mayor? So did you just lie about it?

I'm saying that ted wheeler has been on the side of the mob, for the last several years. THe few empty words he says to the contrary of his actions are just put out there for the really stupid to swallow.


He is one example of that.

says the person who swallows lies from the far right every day of his/her/its life.....

"... lies from the far right....."

There is no Far Right in this country.....only a Far Left.


I'll use you to prove it.


As documented in a number of threads, there is no Far Right in America, but certainly is a Far Left, radicals who have taken over one of the parties….the Democrats. A reminder: To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center. American traditions, values, and history represent that center. The Right, represented by the Republican Party, has no radial positions not consistent with America’s heritage…..but the Democrats sure do!

Subservient to the master they serve, that fire and brimstone guy, the Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Talk about “Far”!!!!

If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



When you can't find any 'far' positions on the right, you will have proved your acceptance of Democrat propaganda.

They don’t get much dumber that politicalchic .... it’s like basic knowledge and logic are completely out the window.

Said the man asking for proof about the last 5 years off riots.

Haha. Can you show where I asked for proof about 5 years of riots?

Can you do anything other than dodge and weave?


For 5 years we have had riots in teh streets from the far left, with the support, of varying degrees from the mainstream left,

and that is just sort of accepted, while you people are pretending to be absolutely outraged over the ONE riot from the right.

Im not dodging a thing, just calling out your BS. You say these things but when pressed fail to back them up. Besides maybe the cherrypicked outcast whom you haven’t shown, I haven’t seen anybody in leadership, no Mayors or congressmen or media supporting the riots. You make these claims and then can’t back them up. It’s a nice distraction to avoid talking about Trump and the Jan 6 riot which is the actual topic of the thread... but you’re not fooling anybody.

I'm not trying to distract from anything. I've been happy to discuss Trump and the 1/6 riot.

YOu are the one that wants to invent reasons to ignore the hundreds from your side over the last 5 years.

What do you think I’m ignoring?! I’m just pointing out the dishonest things you’ve been claiming. The fact you can’t show proof to back up the things I’ve questioned you about shows that.

You've been playing word games to deflect, minimize, or confuse the part of the issue that is the hundreds of riots from YOUR side of the partisan divide.


YOu want to just talk shit about my side, and the ONE riot we have to our "credit", to smear us and marginalize us, and thus justify your next round of escalation,

while ignoring the context of your side's violence.

I don’t really have a side. I dislike dem policies but respect their goals when it comes to social issues. I think Republicans are horrible at messaging, most are an embarrassment, but I support more of their fiscal policies. I think both parties are corrupt. But my personal views don’t matter to this debate, so let’s get back to it shall we??

I see you being dishonest and I’m calling out yoir dishonesty it’s as simple as that. We were talking about the capital riot and now we are talking about the summer riots. That’s because of you. That’s the distraction. But I’m fine going there, the summer riots were wrong and bad. But stop lying about dem support that doesn’t exist

Talking about a riot in isolation, ignoring the fact that it took place during a period of civil unrest makes it impossible to have any real insight into the riot or the forces behind it or what it meant.

Who is ignoring the fact it happened during a time of civil unrest?! I’d be the first to admit that we are living in a extremely polarized and tense time politically. Another great gift from Mr Trump

The vast majority of the riots came from the Left. ONly one of them were from teh right.


Seems this period of political unrest is a gift from the Left.


It is really worth noting that hte one righty riot you want to talk about, came at the END of Trump's administration.

Well the riots on the left were centered around millions of people protesting for racial equality. That doesn’t excuse those who acted out but that’s what it was. There were many riots during the civil rights movement in the 60s and I bet the majority of Americans would agree that cause was righteous. The Jan 6 riot was an attempt to overthrow our government in order to stop what they were lied to and told was a stolen election. They also wanted to kill our VP because trump lied and said he had the ability to stop the certification. These are two very very very different things. I don’t understand why people like you keep trying to compare them as similar situations.

You lying asshole.....the protest on Jan. 6 wasn't about over throwing the government....that is why no one in the Capitol building during the protest had a gun......

again...

600 million guns in America....

over 19.4 million Americans with the legal ability to carry guns for self defense....

Over 100,000 Trump supporters...

About 200 people entered the capitol building...

They had Zero guns.........

You do not over throw a government without guns...you mindless moron.......

The Trump supporters wandered the halls and took selfies......antifa and blm plants in the crowd vandalized the place and fought with some of the police......

Hahahhahahaha. Are you shitting me?! The whole point of the riot was to stop the steal and they tried to do so by force. That is literally overthrowing our system of government... the definition of an insurrection. Wake up

How is it overthrowing the system when you yourself admitted it was a Steal.

They thought it was a steal because they were lied to. It obviously was not stolen. Our elections systems have too many safeguards working independently of each other for that to happen

No system is any better than the people making it up. And dems have shown that they will lie and cheat and abuse ANY power they are given.

Yup, so have the Republicans. Power corrupts

FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But you dems have abused every single iota of power you have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.

I’m not a democrat

lol. Sure. Ok then.

FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But the dems have abused every single iota of power they have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.

Yeah I agree, the Dems need a respectable check on their power because they don’t have very good ideas and are riddled with corruption. But the Reps have been at a whole different level as of late and thanks to Trump their party is blown to pieces. Now they don’t even have a platform to run on

Trump was fine. Your pretense otherwise is not rational.

I disagree, he relentlessly trolled causing crippling partisan division and he constantly lied to the American people. The guy is a disgrace and now he has half the Republican Party standing behind his lies supporting an insurrection and at each others throats. It’s pathetic and sad for our country. The Dems sure are grateful

You say "insurrection" to try to make that ONE riot, as bad as 5 years of riots from your side.


Your side is the side that is tearing this nation apart. That you whine like this over ONE small riot of 200 people, after hundred of riots from your side, is you being weak and pathetic.

I say insurrection because that’s exactly what it was. Want proof? Post whatever definition of insurrection that you want and I’ll show you proof.

200 people broke into a building, ,broke some shit and took some selfies. That is not an attempt to take over the government. It was violent and illegal, but that is it.


Your side has been rioting and bullying and censoring and abusing power and RESIST, and so much shit for 5 years.


YOu are the bad guys. You saying "wacist" doesn't change that.

Why do you keep pointing to summer riots that I’ve condemned like it somehow justifies an insurrection that was inspired by our president. Can’t you see how weak that whataboutism is??

Because he has zero defense for the president he voted for inspiring a seditious insurrection against our own government and he isn't man enough to admit he's fighting from an indefensible position. Had there been no riots over the summer, he would have found some other event(s) to use as deflection.

 

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If my country had a fraudulent election to the scale of November 2020, and the Nation's Intel agencyy refused to investigate, and the media ignored it, and people who peacefull protested were censored and attacked....
I'd see it as a coup and would probably be attacking my Parliament as well

Exactly, it was foreseeable, which makes Trump and his puppets lies about the election fraud so much worse. It wasn't political hyperbole, it was incitement to violence which is what it lead to. He made false claims many of which can be directly disproven and the others he was never able to verify, yet he keeps saying them, his idiot followers believe them, and the nutters are acting on them.

I did not see it coming. Generally conservatives are pretty mild. I expected the demonstration to just stand there and make some noise and be forgotten.


I was surprised when the riot broke out.

I wasn't... I literally called my family while Trump was giving his speech and told them to tune in because shit was about to go down. I told them Trump just threw Pence under the bus and there is a mob of angry people that are about to go mess things up. It was clear and obvious what Trump was doing and what was about to happen. If you couldn't see that then you have blinders on. But you support Trump so I guess the blinders are a given

My expectation of a peaceful demonstration was based on decades of observation of demonstration conservatives who, even when pissed off, almost always obeyed the law and demonstrated peacefully and then went home.


What was yours based on?

Mine was based on common sense. You can’t use historical precedent when you have a president that breaks all the norms. My observations were correct. I called my family before the riot to tell them there was about to be a riot. How did I know?! Because it was obvious. The real question you should be asking yourself is why you were surprised and why you couldn’t see it coming when it was so easy to see what Trump was doing.

Trump did not break all the norms.

His style was odd. He was disagreeable and vulgar. But his policies and actions were measured and restrained.

So, you were right, but for the wrong reasons. That happens. Like the way I was initially attracted to my wife because of her, well, never mind.

I was right for the right reasons. Because I can see the effects that a con man has on his followers. The question is why couldn’t you see it coming?

I asked what you based your conclusion on, and the reasons you gave were not true.


THus, you were right for the wrong reasons.


Hey, better than being wrong for the right reasons.


YOur spin is dismissed.

Well this is coming from somebody who was wrong and blindsided so perhaps what you think im wrong about isn’t really wrong.

No one is prefect. Being wrong once does not mean that my judgement is valueless.

YOur stated reasons were not true. Thus you were right for the wrong reasons.

My stated reasons weren’t true yet I was right. So I must have seen something that you didn’t see. Your Perceived reality was wrong and left you blindsided. That should tell you something

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.


If I found that I was consistently wrong, then your point that I should reexamine my perceptions would be correct.


BUt so far, this was a one off.

What do you think I lied about. What I observed was obvious and predictable... yet it surprised you. Gee, let’s think about that for a sec

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

You admitted that you were surprised at the riot. I said it was obvious and easy to see coming. I’m not lying about that, If you think I’m lying then why don’t you tell me what really happened. What am I getting wrong?

I fully explained what you were lying about. YOur pretense of confusion is you lying again.

Your need to avoid being honest about what I say, how can that not be a red flag for you?

Wow, that was a lot of words for a non answer. What a waste of space. Want to try again?

Nope. Your tactic of pretending to misunderstand a clear statement to then ask stupid questions, is an odd game, but one I am willing to play.


Pretend to be too retarded to understand a simple sentence again, and I will call you on your lying again.


I'm not sure of the point, but I am sure that I am kidding your ass.

Where in that statement was a clear sentence stating what the hell you’re talking about?! Nowhere!!! If you’ve been so clear then just copy and paste it. I honestly have no clue what you’re talking about. I think you got schooled and are just trying to confuse things to distract from the fact you lack a solid argument.

I don't believe that you are so retarded that you did not understand it initially.

I am willing to consider that you might be stupid enough to have forgotten since it has been several posts so here it is again.



People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

Oh ok, well I agree that people can be correct through luck. I don’t think that’s the case here, I just think I was more perceptive because what Trump was doing had a painfully obvious effect which I could see coming from a mile away.... you on the other hand were cause blindsided so you obviously didn’t see it.

now you are able to look at things in hindsight. If you think what I’ve said was wrong then state why... see this is how normal debate works. It shouldn’t take pages and me explaining it like to a third grader.

I already explained my reasoning. DECADES of watching conservatives protest, even angry, but obeying the law and being peaceful.

THe violence and destruction has almost solely been on the left..


So, this change up was a surprise.

IN HINDSIGHT. it is less surprising considering the normalization of violence by five years of riots by antifa and blm.

Ok but after the surprise wore off what did you see what caused the change?

Sure. THe years of political violence from your side that made it the new norm.

Haha, this is the best one yet. So since the left is violent it inspired the right to be violent? You really want to go with that? Has the lefts push for big government also inspired the right to support big government? Your arguments are getting dumber and dumber.

Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point. I made it very clear. YOu don't need to restate it using your own words. (and thus adding your own spin, dishonestly).


ADDRESS MY POINT OR DON'T POST.

Your point is absolute bullshit. There has been violence from the right wing forever just as there has been from the left wing. At trump rallies in 2016 he had supporter punching protesters in the face, he encouraged it......

there I directly addressed your point. Now you address mine. Don’t distract

Punching a HECKLER, is a pretty minor example to lead off with, considering the 5 years of riots from your side. Charlettosville was the FAR right, not conservatives.


Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point.

Haha, ok so my examples just don’t count. I could give more but I guess those wouldn’t count either. Why do I bother. You’re hopeless.

I can play that game though... the summer riots were just the FAR Left not liberals. So they don’t count either. How’s that for ya?

not bad. The actual rioters, imo, were far left.


The support they got from elected dem officials, that were not denounced by the dem party as a whole, though that is more troubling.

Ahhh right, you’re probably stuck in the right wing media bubble. Here is the leader of the Dems condemning violence... Fact check: Joe Biden has condemned protest-related violence all summer

Interesting. I clearly was discussing not the violence, but the support of the violence by dem mayors.

DId Biden ever denounce the mayors that ordered the cops to stand down so that rioters could riot, loot and kill?

Which mayor? Can you give me a name?

Ted Wheeler is the most obvious.

This guy? Do you wanna try somebody else?

Portland Mayor Wheeler condemns violence during riot downtown

PORTLAND, Ore. – Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler denounced the violence during an overnight riot downtown where demonstrators pulled down statues and broke the windows of the Oregon Historical Society. The mayor was joined by Police Chief Chuck Lovell, Oregon Representative Tawna Sanchez, and Oregon...

katu.com

lol, you really do love those empty words, don't you?

Ted Wheeler, Portland mayor, stands by decision to allow Antifa to block traffic

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.

www.washingtontimes.com

By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Sunday, October 14, 2018


"Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.
“I was appalled by what I saw in the video, but I support the Portland Police Bureau’s decision not to intervene,” he said at a press conference. “This whole incident will be investigated.”
The video posted by journalist Andy C. Ngo showed protesters, including members of antifa and Black Lives Matter, blocking an intersection and attempting to direct traffic at while officers on motorcycle watched from a block away.



At one point, the activists chased down 74-year-old Kent Houser after he made a right turn against their wishes, pounding on his silver Lexus and breaking a window. The car sustained thousands of dollars in damage, he told the Oregonian.

Even so, Mr. Wheeler insisted that “motorists should feel completely safe coming into downtown Portland.”

Demonstrators did not obtain a permit before holding the Oct. 6 march...

The mayor has been accused of taking a kid-gloved approach to the protests that routinely roil the liberal enclave, such as the summer occupation of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement building, which saw Portland police refuse to assist the immigration-enforcement officers unless they were in physical danger."

Empty words? Not really... your critique is that he stood by the decision of his police chief and that somehow is supposed to prove what exactly?? You said the Mayors never spoke out against the violence. I showed otherwise.

Police chiefs don't set policy, they follow it. That the mayor shifted teh blame for his policies onto his police chief is him being a democrat, nothing more.


The police stood by while the rioters rioted. and people were assaulted.


That the mayor was too much of a democrat to admit that he ordered that, is to be expected.

My bad I must have missed the policy or order that the mayor gave to the police chief. Can you post a link, I can’t find info on that .

Even dem mayors are smart enough to LIE about that. But the results are clear. THe cops stand down while antifa and/or blm riot though the streets.

Are you saying you don’t have a link or anything showing that this was a policy or order from the Mayor? So did you just lie about it?

I'm saying that ted wheeler has been on the side of the mob, for the last several years. THe few empty words he says to the contrary of his actions are just put out there for the really stupid to swallow.


He is one example of that.

says the person who swallows lies from the far right every day of his/her/its life.....

"... lies from the far right....."

There is no Far Right in this country.....only a Far Left.


I'll use you to prove it.


As documented in a number of threads, there is no Far Right in America, but certainly is a Far Left, radicals who have taken over one of the parties….the Democrats. A reminder: To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center. American traditions, values, and history represent that center. The Right, represented by the Republican Party, has no radial positions not consistent with America’s heritage…..but the Democrats sure do!

Subservient to the master they serve, that fire and brimstone guy, the Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Talk about “Far”!!!!

If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



When you can't find any 'far' positions on the right, you will have proved your acceptance of Democrat propaganda.

They don’t get much dumber that politicalchic .... it’s like basic knowledge and logic are completely out the window.

Said the man asking for proof about the last 5 years off riots.

Haha. Can you show where I asked for proof about 5 years of riots?

Can you do anything other than dodge and weave?


For 5 years we have had riots in teh streets from the far left, with the support, of varying degrees from the mainstream left,

and that is just sort of accepted, while you people are pretending to be absolutely outraged over the ONE riot from the right.

Im not dodging a thing, just calling out your BS. You say these things but when pressed fail to back them up. Besides maybe the cherrypicked outcast whom you haven’t shown, I haven’t seen anybody in leadership, no Mayors or congressmen or media supporting the riots. You make these claims and then can’t back them up. It’s a nice distraction to avoid talking about Trump and the Jan 6 riot which is the actual topic of the thread... but you’re not fooling anybody.

I'm not trying to distract from anything. I've been happy to discuss Trump and the 1/6 riot.

YOu are the one that wants to invent reasons to ignore the hundreds from your side over the last 5 years.

What do you think I’m ignoring?! I’m just pointing out the dishonest things you’ve been claiming. The fact you can’t show proof to back up the things I’ve questioned you about shows that.

You've been playing word games to deflect, minimize, or confuse the part of the issue that is the hundreds of riots from YOUR side of the partisan divide.


YOu want to just talk shit about my side, and the ONE riot we have to our "credit", to smear us and marginalize us, and thus justify your next round of escalation,

while ignoring the context of your side's violence.

I don’t really have a side. I dislike dem policies but respect their goals when it comes to social issues. I think Republicans are horrible at messaging, most are an embarrassment, but I support more of their fiscal policies. I think both parties are corrupt. But my personal views don’t matter to this debate, so let’s get back to it shall we??

I see you being dishonest and I’m calling out yoir dishonesty it’s as simple as that. We were talking about the capital riot and now we are talking about the summer riots. That’s because of you. That’s the distraction. But I’m fine going there, the summer riots were wrong and bad. But stop lying about dem support that doesn’t exist

Talking about a riot in isolation, ignoring the fact that it took place during a period of civil unrest makes it impossible to have any real insight into the riot or the forces behind it or what it meant.

Who is ignoring the fact it happened during a time of civil unrest?! I’d be the first to admit that we are living in a extremely polarized and tense time politically. Another great gift from Mr Trump

The vast majority of the riots came from the Left. ONly one of them were from teh right.


Seems this period of political unrest is a gift from the Left.


It is really worth noting that hte one righty riot you want to talk about, came at the END of Trump's administration.

Well the riots on the left were centered around millions of people protesting for racial equality. That doesn’t excuse those who acted out but that’s what it was. There were many riots during the civil rights movement in the 60s and I bet the majority of Americans would agree that cause was righteous. The Jan 6 riot was an attempt to overthrow our government in order to stop what they were lied to and told was a stolen election. They also wanted to kill our VP because trump lied and said he had the ability to stop the certification. These are two very very very different things. I don’t understand why people like you keep trying to compare them as similar situations.

You lying asshole.....the protest on Jan. 6 wasn't about over throwing the government....that is why no one in the Capitol building during the protest had a gun......

again...

600 million guns in America....

over 19.4 million Americans with the legal ability to carry guns for self defense....

Over 100,000 Trump supporters...

About 200 people entered the capitol building...

They had Zero guns.........

You do not over throw a government without guns...you mindless moron.......

The Trump supporters wandered the halls and took selfies......antifa and blm plants in the crowd vandalized the place and fought with some of the police......

Hahahhahahaha. Are you shitting me?! The whole point of the riot was to stop the steal and they tried to do so by force. That is literally overthrowing our system of government... the definition of an insurrection. Wake up

The stop the Steal campaign was about preserving democracy, demanding audits, free and fair elections.
It was a Human Rights protest by Pro Democracy activists.
The coup happened on November 3rd.

Haha. No the stop the steal campaign was a bunch of poor sport losers who couldn’t handle getting whooped at the polls and they were led by the worst of them all Trump

The leader of stop the Steal is a black muslim.
The election was unconstitutional and rigged.
Time magazine even admitted a secret cabal of pwerful people rigged it in the weeks and months prior.
Deal with it.

The courts disagree with you... sorry but that’s how our system works.

Appeal to Authority logical fallacy. Your point is basically MIGHT MAKES RIGHT.


That really all you have to defend your position? Cause that is basically admitting that you are wrong.

Haha, not at all. Our system of government, via the constitution which I’m sure you pretend to hold so dear, has a method set up to settle disputes like this. This system is at the foundation of what our country is. Trump is the only president in our history that I can think of that actively campaigned against that system and tried to undermine it. That toxic thinking has seemed to spill over onto you and your ilk as well. If you can’t respect and trust our justice system and the results it yields then that is the pathway to losing our country. If the only answer is your way or the highway then it paints a pretty clear picture for how immature and egotistical your arguments are.

You have given up arguing that what your side did was morally or ethically right, and are just citing that you won.


That is what is toxic here. Your desire to win and to crush your enemies, who you think should never be allowed to have a turn even if they win.

Doesn’t have anything to do with winning the election, it has to do with the obvious lies Trump tossed out there and the failed efforts to prove any of it. His claimed were challenged in court, elections systems were audited, recounts took place. His claims were vetted, more than they needed to be IMO but they were. Our system showed that he was lying

My point was that you are not making your case at all, just Appealing to Authority.


That is you giving up the argument.

Haha, you’re missing the point. You are ignorant, I am ignorant, we have an insignificant fraction of information about what actually happened in regards to election fraud. Neither of us saw anything first hand so all we have are media/agency reports and a review of the actual events that happened. And in regards to that, every one of our legal systems showed that the election was legit and trump was a lying. The DOJ reviewed the evidence, more evidence than you or I have access too, and Barr said there was nothing there, 60+ independent courts reviewed several different cases in several different states... nothing there. There was a case presented to SCOTUS, nothing.... multiple states did audits and recounts, nothing.... the states certified, congress certified. What the hell else more do you want?! This is insanity.

Am I putting trust in entities outside of my own two eyes?? Yes, we all have to. I’m putting trust in our system. I’m using logic. I’m not hiding from the argument, I’m making the argument. From what I’ve seen and from the results our system has produced is pretty damn clear that the election was legit and Trump is a liar. I really don’t see how that can be rationally disputed

Trust in the system is not an argument in defense of a position.

Of course it is, the “system” has several different checks and balances, independent entities, all of which have much more actual verified intel than you or I... as I laid out. Now what do you have to base your opinion on? Trump? YouTube videos? Memes?

My opinion? My position is that you have given up making your case is based on your taking a stand on APPEAL TO AUTHORITY.

Appeal to entities that have more intelligence and evidence than I do. Has nothing to do with authority. I’ll ask again though. What is your opinion based on?

Depends on the issue. Mostly my reasoning and judgement.


I don't know if I ever say, just because someone else says it. That is the act of a small child. Or someone who knows on some level that the truth is not on their side.

That’s not what I’m saying either. What are you basing your reasoning and judgement on. What facts and intelligence?

1. That is exactly what you said.

2. Depends on the issue. Like I already said.


Are you having trouble with blackouts or something?

 

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If my country had a fraudulent election to the scale of November 2020, and the Nation's Intel agencyy refused to investigate, and the media ignored it, and people who peacefull protested were censored and attacked....
I'd see it as a coup and would probably be attacking my Parliament as well

Exactly, it was foreseeable, which makes Trump and his puppets lies about the election fraud so much worse. It wasn't political hyperbole, it was incitement to violence which is what it lead to. He made false claims many of which can be directly disproven and the others he was never able to verify, yet he keeps saying them, his idiot followers believe them, and the nutters are acting on them.

I did not see it coming. Generally conservatives are pretty mild. I expected the demonstration to just stand there and make some noise and be forgotten.


I was surprised when the riot broke out.

I wasn't... I literally called my family while Trump was giving his speech and told them to tune in because shit was about to go down. I told them Trump just threw Pence under the bus and there is a mob of angry people that are about to go mess things up. It was clear and obvious what Trump was doing and what was about to happen. If you couldn't see that then you have blinders on. But you support Trump so I guess the blinders are a given

My expectation of a peaceful demonstration was based on decades of observation of demonstration conservatives who, even when pissed off, almost always obeyed the law and demonstrated peacefully and then went home.


What was yours based on?

Mine was based on common sense. You can’t use historical precedent when you have a president that breaks all the norms. My observations were correct. I called my family before the riot to tell them there was about to be a riot. How did I know?! Because it was obvious. The real question you should be asking yourself is why you were surprised and why you couldn’t see it coming when it was so easy to see what Trump was doing.

Trump did not break all the norms.

His style was odd. He was disagreeable and vulgar. But his policies and actions were measured and restrained.

So, you were right, but for the wrong reasons. That happens. Like the way I was initially attracted to my wife because of her, well, never mind.

I was right for the right reasons. Because I can see the effects that a con man has on his followers. The question is why couldn’t you see it coming?

I asked what you based your conclusion on, and the reasons you gave were not true.


THus, you were right for the wrong reasons.


Hey, better than being wrong for the right reasons.


YOur spin is dismissed.

Well this is coming from somebody who was wrong and blindsided so perhaps what you think im wrong about isn’t really wrong.

No one is prefect. Being wrong once does not mean that my judgement is valueless.

YOur stated reasons were not true. Thus you were right for the wrong reasons.

My stated reasons weren’t true yet I was right. So I must have seen something that you didn’t see. Your Perceived reality was wrong and left you blindsided. That should tell you something

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.


If I found that I was consistently wrong, then your point that I should reexamine my perceptions would be correct.


BUt so far, this was a one off.

What do you think I lied about. What I observed was obvious and predictable... yet it surprised you. Gee, let’s think about that for a sec

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

You admitted that you were surprised at the riot. I said it was obvious and easy to see coming. I’m not lying about that, If you think I’m lying then why don’t you tell me what really happened. What am I getting wrong?

I fully explained what you were lying about. YOur pretense of confusion is you lying again.

Your need to avoid being honest about what I say, how can that not be a red flag for you?

Wow, that was a lot of words for a non answer. What a waste of space. Want to try again?

Nope. Your tactic of pretending to misunderstand a clear statement to then ask stupid questions, is an odd game, but one I am willing to play.


Pretend to be too retarded to understand a simple sentence again, and I will call you on your lying again.


I'm not sure of the point, but I am sure that I am kidding your ass.

Where in that statement was a clear sentence stating what the hell you’re talking about?! Nowhere!!! If you’ve been so clear then just copy and paste it. I honestly have no clue what you’re talking about. I think you got schooled and are just trying to confuse things to distract from the fact you lack a solid argument.

I don't believe that you are so retarded that you did not understand it initially.

I am willing to consider that you might be stupid enough to have forgotten since it has been several posts so here it is again.



People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

Oh ok, well I agree that people can be correct through luck. I don’t think that’s the case here, I just think I was more perceptive because what Trump was doing had a painfully obvious effect which I could see coming from a mile away.... you on the other hand were cause blindsided so you obviously didn’t see it.

now you are able to look at things in hindsight. If you think what I’ve said was wrong then state why... see this is how normal debate works. It shouldn’t take pages and me explaining it like to a third grader.

I already explained my reasoning. DECADES of watching conservatives protest, even angry, but obeying the law and being peaceful.

THe violence and destruction has almost solely been on the left..


So, this change up was a surprise.

IN HINDSIGHT. it is less surprising considering the normalization of violence by five years of riots by antifa and blm.

Ok but after the surprise wore off what did you see what caused the change?

Sure. THe years of political violence from your side that made it the new norm.

Haha, this is the best one yet. So since the left is violent it inspired the right to be violent? You really want to go with that? Has the lefts push for big government also inspired the right to support big government? Your arguments are getting dumber and dumber.

Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point. I made it very clear. YOu don't need to restate it using your own words. (and thus adding your own spin, dishonestly).


ADDRESS MY POINT OR DON'T POST.

Your point is absolute bullshit. There has been violence from the right wing forever just as there has been from the left wing. At trump rallies in 2016 he had supporter punching protesters in the face, he encouraged it......

there I directly addressed your point. Now you address mine. Don’t distract

Punching a HECKLER, is a pretty minor example to lead off with, considering the 5 years of riots from your side. Charlettosville was the FAR right, not conservatives.


Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point.

Haha, ok so my examples just don’t count. I could give more but I guess those wouldn’t count either. Why do I bother. You’re hopeless.

I can play that game though... the summer riots were just the FAR Left not liberals. So they don’t count either. How’s that for ya?

not bad. The actual rioters, imo, were far left.


The support they got from elected dem officials, that were not denounced by the dem party as a whole, though that is more troubling.

Ahhh right, you’re probably stuck in the right wing media bubble. Here is the leader of the Dems condemning violence... Fact check: Joe Biden has condemned protest-related violence all summer

Interesting. I clearly was discussing not the violence, but the support of the violence by dem mayors.

DId Biden ever denounce the mayors that ordered the cops to stand down so that rioters could riot, loot and kill?

Which mayor? Can you give me a name?

Ted Wheeler is the most obvious.

This guy? Do you wanna try somebody else?

Portland Mayor Wheeler condemns violence during riot downtown

PORTLAND, Ore. – Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler denounced the violence during an overnight riot downtown where demonstrators pulled down statues and broke the windows of the Oregon Historical Society. The mayor was joined by Police Chief Chuck Lovell, Oregon Representative Tawna Sanchez, and Oregon...

katu.com

lol, you really do love those empty words, don't you?

Ted Wheeler, Portland mayor, stands by decision to allow Antifa to block traffic

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.

www.washingtontimes.com

By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Sunday, October 14, 2018


"Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.
“I was appalled by what I saw in the video, but I support the Portland Police Bureau’s decision not to intervene,” he said at a press conference. “This whole incident will be investigated.”
The video posted by journalist Andy C. Ngo showed protesters, including members of antifa and Black Lives Matter, blocking an intersection and attempting to direct traffic at while officers on motorcycle watched from a block away.



At one point, the activists chased down 74-year-old Kent Houser after he made a right turn against their wishes, pounding on his silver Lexus and breaking a window. The car sustained thousands of dollars in damage, he told the Oregonian.

Even so, Mr. Wheeler insisted that “motorists should feel completely safe coming into downtown Portland.”

Demonstrators did not obtain a permit before holding the Oct. 6 march...

The mayor has been accused of taking a kid-gloved approach to the protests that routinely roil the liberal enclave, such as the summer occupation of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement building, which saw Portland police refuse to assist the immigration-enforcement officers unless they were in physical danger."

Empty words? Not really... your critique is that he stood by the decision of his police chief and that somehow is supposed to prove what exactly?? You said the Mayors never spoke out against the violence. I showed otherwise.

Police chiefs don't set policy, they follow it. That the mayor shifted teh blame for his policies onto his police chief is him being a democrat, nothing more.


The police stood by while the rioters rioted. and people were assaulted.


That the mayor was too much of a democrat to admit that he ordered that, is to be expected.

My bad I must have missed the policy or order that the mayor gave to the police chief. Can you post a link, I can’t find info on that .

Even dem mayors are smart enough to LIE about that. But the results are clear. THe cops stand down while antifa and/or blm riot though the streets.

Are you saying you don’t have a link or anything showing that this was a policy or order from the Mayor? So did you just lie about it?

I'm saying that ted wheeler has been on the side of the mob, for the last several years. THe few empty words he says to the contrary of his actions are just put out there for the really stupid to swallow.


He is one example of that.

says the person who swallows lies from the far right every day of his/her/its life.....

"... lies from the far right....."

There is no Far Right in this country.....only a Far Left.


I'll use you to prove it.


As documented in a number of threads, there is no Far Right in America, but certainly is a Far Left, radicals who have taken over one of the parties….the Democrats. A reminder: To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center. American traditions, values, and history represent that center. The Right, represented by the Republican Party, has no radial positions not consistent with America’s heritage…..but the Democrats sure do!

Subservient to the master they serve, that fire and brimstone guy, the Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Talk about “Far”!!!!

If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



When you can't find any 'far' positions on the right, you will have proved your acceptance of Democrat propaganda.

They don’t get much dumber that politicalchic .... it’s like basic knowledge and logic are completely out the window.

Said the man asking for proof about the last 5 years off riots.

Haha. Can you show where I asked for proof about 5 years of riots?

Can you do anything other than dodge and weave?


For 5 years we have had riots in teh streets from the far left, with the support, of varying degrees from the mainstream left,

and that is just sort of accepted, while you people are pretending to be absolutely outraged over the ONE riot from the right.

Im not dodging a thing, just calling out your BS. You say these things but when pressed fail to back them up. Besides maybe the cherrypicked outcast whom you haven’t shown, I haven’t seen anybody in leadership, no Mayors or congressmen or media supporting the riots. You make these claims and then can’t back them up. It’s a nice distraction to avoid talking about Trump and the Jan 6 riot which is the actual topic of the thread... but you’re not fooling anybody.

I'm not trying to distract from anything. I've been happy to discuss Trump and the 1/6 riot.

YOu are the one that wants to invent reasons to ignore the hundreds from your side over the last 5 years.

What do you think I’m ignoring?! I’m just pointing out the dishonest things you’ve been claiming. The fact you can’t show proof to back up the things I’ve questioned you about shows that.

You've been playing word games to deflect, minimize, or confuse the part of the issue that is the hundreds of riots from YOUR side of the partisan divide.


YOu want to just talk shit about my side, and the ONE riot we have to our "credit", to smear us and marginalize us, and thus justify your next round of escalation,

while ignoring the context of your side's violence.

I don’t really have a side. I dislike dem policies but respect their goals when it comes to social issues. I think Republicans are horrible at messaging, most are an embarrassment, but I support more of their fiscal policies. I think both parties are corrupt. But my personal views don’t matter to this debate, so let’s get back to it shall we??

I see you being dishonest and I’m calling out yoir dishonesty it’s as simple as that. We were talking about the capital riot and now we are talking about the summer riots. That’s because of you. That’s the distraction. But I’m fine going there, the summer riots were wrong and bad. But stop lying about dem support that doesn’t exist

Talking about a riot in isolation, ignoring the fact that it took place during a period of civil unrest makes it impossible to have any real insight into the riot or the forces behind it or what it meant.

Who is ignoring the fact it happened during a time of civil unrest?! I’d be the first to admit that we are living in a extremely polarized and tense time politically. Another great gift from Mr Trump

The vast majority of the riots came from the Left. ONly one of them were from teh right.


Seems this period of political unrest is a gift from the Left.


It is really worth noting that hte one righty riot you want to talk about, came at the END of Trump's administration.

Well the riots on the left were centered around millions of people protesting for racial equality. That doesn’t excuse those who acted out but that’s what it was. There were many riots during the civil rights movement in the 60s and I bet the majority of Americans would agree that cause was righteous. The Jan 6 riot was an attempt to overthrow our government in order to stop what they were lied to and told was a stolen election. They also wanted to kill our VP because trump lied and said he had the ability to stop the certification. These are two very very very different things. I don’t understand why people like you keep trying to compare them as similar situations.

You lying asshole.....the protest on Jan. 6 wasn't about over throwing the government....that is why no one in the Capitol building during the protest had a gun......

again...

600 million guns in America....

over 19.4 million Americans with the legal ability to carry guns for self defense....

Over 100,000 Trump supporters...

About 200 people entered the capitol building...

They had Zero guns.........

You do not over throw a government without guns...you mindless moron.......

The Trump supporters wandered the halls and took selfies......antifa and blm plants in the crowd vandalized the place and fought with some of the police......

Hahahhahahaha. Are you shitting me?! The whole point of the riot was to stop the steal and they tried to do so by force. That is literally overthrowing our system of government... the definition of an insurrection. Wake up

How is it overthrowing the system when you yourself admitted it was a Steal.

They thought it was a steal because they were lied to. It obviously was not stolen. Our elections systems have too many safeguards working independently of each other for that to happen

No system is any better than the people making it up. And dems have shown that they will lie and cheat and abuse ANY power they are given.

Yup, so have the Republicans. Power corrupts

FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But you dems have abused every single iota of power you have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.

I’m not a democrat

lol. Sure. Ok then.

FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But the dems have abused every single iota of power they have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.

Yeah I agree, the Dems need a respectable check on their power because they don’t have very good ideas and are riddled with corruption. But the Reps have been at a whole different level as of late and thanks to Trump their party is blown to pieces. Now they don’t even have a platform to run on

Trump was fine. Your pretense otherwise is not rational.

I disagree, he relentlessly trolled causing crippling partisan division and he constantly lied to the American people. The guy is a disgrace and now he has half the Republican Party standing behind his lies supporting an insurrection and at each others throats. It’s pathetic and sad for our country. The Dems sure are grateful

You say "insurrection" to try to make that ONE riot, as bad as 5 years of riots from your side.


Your side is the side that is tearing this nation apart. That you whine like this over ONE small riot of 200 people, after hundred of riots from your side, is you being weak and pathetic.

The reason why the Jan 6 insurrection was so much worse than the summer riots is because jan 6 was based on lies from the most powerful man in the world who we gave that power to. A betrayal of our public trust that resulted in an attempt to over through our government. The summer riots have no excuse but they were criminals taking advantage of a huge movement of national outrage over racial equality. I’m sorry that you can’t see the difference.

Bullshit. The "Reason" you are pretending that the 1/6 riot is so much worse than the HUNDREDS of riots before it, is because it is the ONLY one that you can blame on the other side.


YOU people are the ones that have been using violence as a political tool.


And now you want to dodge ownership of your actions.


That is the act of a coward.

Why can’t you post the definition of insurrection so we can settle this?

Because we both know that delaying a formality by a few hours, is not it.


The "Reason" you are pretending that the 1/6 riot is so much worse than the HUNDREDS of riots before it, is because it is the ONLY one that you can blame on the other side.

Why can’t you post the definition of insurrection?

Didn't say I couldn't. I said I didn't need to, because we both know that it is not what happened on 1/6.


Are you on some kind of medication that causes confusion?

 

[Correll]

Why give illegal aliens free food stamps, and then tell them to go and vote?








Transcript:



RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting.

[And that is who she is speaking for!]

So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
[Who would come for legal citizens voting?????????]
OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself.

[Just like you.....a bald-faced liar!]

And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera.

[Meaning: 'Go ahead and vote....no one will be the wiser!']



The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

[Meaning, I guess....if you are living with lots of other illegals...well, heck, at least some of you should go vote! After all....Trump is trying to get rid of you illegals!]

You're still lying about that?? How sad. In reality, Obama told illegals they can't legally vote; and he told "Latino citizens" to vote because their vote matter for illegals.

...what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you're not just speaking for yourself. You're speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school... who may not have a voice. Who can't legally vote. But they're counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard."​

He was clearly playing along with the woman's suggestion that illegal aliens were citizens and should vote.

If he was not a whore angling for hispanic votes, or illegal votes, he should have right there, made his anti-illegal position clear.


Except... he is not really anti-illegal, is he?

You're deranged. Neither of them said non-citizenscoukd or should vote; and he did clearly state it is illegal for non-citizens to vote. He also twice promoted a website which stated only citizens can vote.

She clearly said that they should be able to, "because they contribute to the community" and he was clearly playing along.

 

[Faun]

If my country had a fraudulent election to the scale of November 2020, and the Nation's Intel agencyy refused to investigate, and the media ignored it, and people who peacefull protested were censored and attacked....
I'd see it as a coup and would probably be attacking my Parliament as well

Exactly, it was foreseeable, which makes Trump and his puppets lies about the election fraud so much worse. It wasn't political hyperbole, it was incitement to violence which is what it lead to. He made false claims many of which can be directly disproven and the others he was never able to verify, yet he keeps saying them, his idiot followers believe them, and the nutters are acting on them.

I did not see it coming. Generally conservatives are pretty mild. I expected the demonstration to just stand there and make some noise and be forgotten.


I was surprised when the riot broke out.

I wasn't... I literally called my family while Trump was giving his speech and told them to tune in because shit was about to go down. I told them Trump just threw Pence under the bus and there is a mob of angry people that are about to go mess things up. It was clear and obvious what Trump was doing and what was about to happen. If you couldn't see that then you have blinders on. But you support Trump so I guess the blinders are a given

My expectation of a peaceful demonstration was based on decades of observation of demonstration conservatives who, even when pissed off, almost always obeyed the law and demonstrated peacefully and then went home.


What was yours based on?

Mine was based on common sense. You can’t use historical precedent when you have a president that breaks all the norms. My observations were correct. I called my family before the riot to tell them there was about to be a riot. How did I know?! Because it was obvious. The real question you should be asking yourself is why you were surprised and why you couldn’t see it coming when it was so easy to see what Trump was doing.

Trump did not break all the norms.

His style was odd. He was disagreeable and vulgar. But his policies and actions were measured and restrained.

So, you were right, but for the wrong reasons. That happens. Like the way I was initially attracted to my wife because of her, well, never mind.

I was right for the right reasons. Because I can see the effects that a con man has on his followers. The question is why couldn’t you see it coming?

I asked what you based your conclusion on, and the reasons you gave were not true.


THus, you were right for the wrong reasons.


Hey, better than being wrong for the right reasons.


YOur spin is dismissed.

Well this is coming from somebody who was wrong and blindsided so perhaps what you think im wrong about isn’t really wrong.

No one is prefect. Being wrong once does not mean that my judgement is valueless.

YOur stated reasons were not true. Thus you were right for the wrong reasons.

My stated reasons weren’t true yet I was right. So I must have seen something that you didn’t see. Your Perceived reality was wrong and left you blindsided. That should tell you something

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.


If I found that I was consistently wrong, then your point that I should reexamine my perceptions would be correct.


BUt so far, this was a one off.

What do you think I lied about. What I observed was obvious and predictable... yet it surprised you. Gee, let’s think about that for a sec

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

You admitted that you were surprised at the riot. I said it was obvious and easy to see coming. I’m not lying about that, If you think I’m lying then why don’t you tell me what really happened. What am I getting wrong?

I fully explained what you were lying about. YOur pretense of confusion is you lying again.

Your need to avoid being honest about what I say, how can that not be a red flag for you?

Wow, that was a lot of words for a non answer. What a waste of space. Want to try again?

Nope. Your tactic of pretending to misunderstand a clear statement to then ask stupid questions, is an odd game, but one I am willing to play.


Pretend to be too retarded to understand a simple sentence again, and I will call you on your lying again.


I'm not sure of the point, but I am sure that I am kidding your ass.

Where in that statement was a clear sentence stating what the hell you’re talking about?! Nowhere!!! If you’ve been so clear then just copy and paste it. I honestly have no clue what you’re talking about. I think you got schooled and are just trying to confuse things to distract from the fact you lack a solid argument.

I don't believe that you are so retarded that you did not understand it initially.

I am willing to consider that you might be stupid enough to have forgotten since it has been several posts so here it is again.



People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

Oh ok, well I agree that people can be correct through luck. I don’t think that’s the case here, I just think I was more perceptive because what Trump was doing had a painfully obvious effect which I could see coming from a mile away.... you on the other hand were cause blindsided so you obviously didn’t see it.

now you are able to look at things in hindsight. If you think what I’ve said was wrong then state why... see this is how normal debate works. It shouldn’t take pages and me explaining it like to a third grader.

I already explained my reasoning. DECADES of watching conservatives protest, even angry, but obeying the law and being peaceful.

THe violence and destruction has almost solely been on the left..


So, this change up was a surprise.

IN HINDSIGHT. it is less surprising considering the normalization of violence by five years of riots by antifa and blm.

Ok but after the surprise wore off what did you see what caused the change?

Sure. THe years of political violence from your side that made it the new norm.

Haha, this is the best one yet. So since the left is violent it inspired the right to be violent? You really want to go with that? Has the lefts push for big government also inspired the right to support big government? Your arguments are getting dumber and dumber.

Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point. I made it very clear. YOu don't need to restate it using your own words. (and thus adding your own spin, dishonestly).


ADDRESS MY POINT OR DON'T POST.

Your point is absolute bullshit. There has been violence from the right wing forever just as there has been from the left wing. At trump rallies in 2016 he had supporter punching protesters in the face, he encouraged it......

there I directly addressed your point. Now you address mine. Don’t distract

Punching a HECKLER, is a pretty minor example to lead off with, considering the 5 years of riots from your side. Charlettosville was the FAR right, not conservatives.


Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point.

Haha, ok so my examples just don’t count. I could give more but I guess those wouldn’t count either. Why do I bother. You’re hopeless.

I can play that game though... the summer riots were just the FAR Left not liberals. So they don’t count either. How’s that for ya?

not bad. The actual rioters, imo, were far left.


The support they got from elected dem officials, that were not denounced by the dem party as a whole, though that is more troubling.

Ahhh right, you’re probably stuck in the right wing media bubble. Here is the leader of the Dems condemning violence... Fact check: Joe Biden has condemned protest-related violence all summer

Interesting. I clearly was discussing not the violence, but the support of the violence by dem mayors.

DId Biden ever denounce the mayors that ordered the cops to stand down so that rioters could riot, loot and kill?

Which mayor? Can you give me a name?

Ted Wheeler is the most obvious.

This guy? Do you wanna try somebody else?

Portland Mayor Wheeler condemns violence during riot downtown

PORTLAND, Ore. – Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler denounced the violence during an overnight riot downtown where demonstrators pulled down statues and broke the windows of the Oregon Historical Society. The mayor was joined by Police Chief Chuck Lovell, Oregon Representative Tawna Sanchez, and Oregon...

katu.com

lol, you really do love those empty words, don't you?

Ted Wheeler, Portland mayor, stands by decision to allow Antifa to block traffic

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.

www.washingtontimes.com

By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Sunday, October 14, 2018


"Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.
“I was appalled by what I saw in the video, but I support the Portland Police Bureau’s decision not to intervene,” he said at a press conference. “This whole incident will be investigated.”
The video posted by journalist Andy C. Ngo showed protesters, including members of antifa and Black Lives Matter, blocking an intersection and attempting to direct traffic at while officers on motorcycle watched from a block away.



At one point, the activists chased down 74-year-old Kent Houser after he made a right turn against their wishes, pounding on his silver Lexus and breaking a window. The car sustained thousands of dollars in damage, he told the Oregonian.

Even so, Mr. Wheeler insisted that “motorists should feel completely safe coming into downtown Portland.”

Demonstrators did not obtain a permit before holding the Oct. 6 march...

The mayor has been accused of taking a kid-gloved approach to the protests that routinely roil the liberal enclave, such as the summer occupation of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement building, which saw Portland police refuse to assist the immigration-enforcement officers unless they were in physical danger."

Empty words? Not really... your critique is that he stood by the decision of his police chief and that somehow is supposed to prove what exactly?? You said the Mayors never spoke out against the violence. I showed otherwise.

Police chiefs don't set policy, they follow it. That the mayor shifted teh blame for his policies onto his police chief is him being a democrat, nothing more.


The police stood by while the rioters rioted. and people were assaulted.


That the mayor was too much of a democrat to admit that he ordered that, is to be expected.

My bad I must have missed the policy or order that the mayor gave to the police chief. Can you post a link, I can’t find info on that .

Even dem mayors are smart enough to LIE about that. But the results are clear. THe cops stand down while antifa and/or blm riot though the streets.

Are you saying you don’t have a link or anything showing that this was a policy or order from the Mayor? So did you just lie about it?

I'm saying that ted wheeler has been on the side of the mob, for the last several years. THe few empty words he says to the contrary of his actions are just put out there for the really stupid to swallow.


He is one example of that.

says the person who swallows lies from the far right every day of his/her/its life.....

"... lies from the far right....."

There is no Far Right in this country.....only a Far Left.


I'll use you to prove it.


As documented in a number of threads, there is no Far Right in America, but certainly is a Far Left, radicals who have taken over one of the parties….the Democrats. A reminder: To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center. American traditions, values, and history represent that center. The Right, represented by the Republican Party, has no radial positions not consistent with America’s heritage…..but the Democrats sure do!

Subservient to the master they serve, that fire and brimstone guy, the Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Talk about “Far”!!!!

If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



When you can't find any 'far' positions on the right, you will have proved your acceptance of Democrat propaganda.

They don’t get much dumber that politicalchic .... it’s like basic knowledge and logic are completely out the window.

Said the man asking for proof about the last 5 years off riots.

Haha. Can you show where I asked for proof about 5 years of riots?

Can you do anything other than dodge and weave?


For 5 years we have had riots in teh streets from the far left, with the support, of varying degrees from the mainstream left,

and that is just sort of accepted, while you people are pretending to be absolutely outraged over the ONE riot from the right.

Im not dodging a thing, just calling out your BS. You say these things but when pressed fail to back them up. Besides maybe the cherrypicked outcast whom you haven’t shown, I haven’t seen anybody in leadership, no Mayors or congressmen or media supporting the riots. You make these claims and then can’t back them up. It’s a nice distraction to avoid talking about Trump and the Jan 6 riot which is the actual topic of the thread... but you’re not fooling anybody.

I'm not trying to distract from anything. I've been happy to discuss Trump and the 1/6 riot.

YOu are the one that wants to invent reasons to ignore the hundreds from your side over the last 5 years.

What do you think I’m ignoring?! I’m just pointing out the dishonest things you’ve been claiming. The fact you can’t show proof to back up the things I’ve questioned you about shows that.

You've been playing word games to deflect, minimize, or confuse the part of the issue that is the hundreds of riots from YOUR side of the partisan divide.


YOu want to just talk shit about my side, and the ONE riot we have to our "credit", to smear us and marginalize us, and thus justify your next round of escalation,

while ignoring the context of your side's violence.

I don’t really have a side. I dislike dem policies but respect their goals when it comes to social issues. I think Republicans are horrible at messaging, most are an embarrassment, but I support more of their fiscal policies. I think both parties are corrupt. But my personal views don’t matter to this debate, so let’s get back to it shall we??

I see you being dishonest and I’m calling out yoir dishonesty it’s as simple as that. We were talking about the capital riot and now we are talking about the summer riots. That’s because of you. That’s the distraction. But I’m fine going there, the summer riots were wrong and bad. But stop lying about dem support that doesn’t exist

Talking about a riot in isolation, ignoring the fact that it took place during a period of civil unrest makes it impossible to have any real insight into the riot or the forces behind it or what it meant.

Who is ignoring the fact it happened during a time of civil unrest?! I’d be the first to admit that we are living in a extremely polarized and tense time politically. Another great gift from Mr Trump

The vast majority of the riots came from the Left. ONly one of them were from teh right.


Seems this period of political unrest is a gift from the Left.


It is really worth noting that hte one righty riot you want to talk about, came at the END of Trump's administration.

Well the riots on the left were centered around millions of people protesting for racial equality. That doesn’t excuse those who acted out but that’s what it was. There were many riots during the civil rights movement in the 60s and I bet the majority of Americans would agree that cause was righteous. The Jan 6 riot was an attempt to overthrow our government in order to stop what they were lied to and told was a stolen election. They also wanted to kill our VP because trump lied and said he had the ability to stop the certification. These are two very very very different things. I don’t understand why people like you keep trying to compare them as similar situations.

You lying asshole.....the protest on Jan. 6 wasn't about over throwing the government....that is why no one in the Capitol building during the protest had a gun......

again...

600 million guns in America....

over 19.4 million Americans with the legal ability to carry guns for self defense....

Over 100,000 Trump supporters...

About 200 people entered the capitol building...

They had Zero guns.........

You do not over throw a government without guns...you mindless moron.......

The Trump supporters wandered the halls and took selfies......antifa and blm plants in the crowd vandalized the place and fought with some of the police......

Hahahhahahaha. Are you shitting me?! The whole point of the riot was to stop the steal and they tried to do so by force. That is literally overthrowing our system of government... the definition of an insurrection. Wake up

How is it overthrowing the system when you yourself admitted it was a Steal.

They thought it was a steal because they were lied to. It obviously was not stolen. Our elections systems have too many safeguards working independently of each other for that to happen

No system is any better than the people making it up. And dems have shown that they will lie and cheat and abuse ANY power they are given.

Yup, so have the Republicans. Power corrupts

FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But you dems have abused every single iota of power you have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.

I’m not a democrat

lol. Sure. Ok then.

FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But the dems have abused every single iota of power they have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.

Yeah I agree, the Dems need a respectable check on their power because they don’t have very good ideas and are riddled with corruption. But the Reps have been at a whole different level as of late and thanks to Trump their party is blown to pieces. Now they don’t even have a platform to run on

Trump was fine. Your pretense otherwise is not rational.

I disagree, he relentlessly trolled causing crippling partisan division and he constantly lied to the American people. The guy is a disgrace and now he has half the Republican Party standing behind his lies supporting an insurrection and at each others throats. It’s pathetic and sad for our country. The Dems sure are grateful

You say "insurrection" to try to make that ONE riot, as bad as 5 years of riots from your side.


Your side is the side that is tearing this nation apart. That you whine like this over ONE small riot of 200 people, after hundred of riots from your side, is you being weak and pathetic.

The reason why the Jan 6 insurrection was so much worse than the summer riots is because jan 6 was based on lies from the most powerful man in the world who we gave that power to. A betrayal of our public trust that resulted in an attempt to over through our government. The summer riots have no excuse but they were criminals taking advantage of a huge movement of national outrage over racial equality. I’m sorry that you can’t see the difference.

Bullshit. The "Reason" you are pretending that the 1/6 riot is so much worse than the HUNDREDS of riots before it, is because it is the ONLY one that you can blame on the other side.


YOU people are the ones that have been using violence as a political tool.


And now you want to dodge ownership of your actions.


That is the act of a coward.

Of course it was much worse, you flaming imbecile. It was an attack on our government and an attempt to illegally and unconstitutionally reverse an election to hand the presidency to the candidate who lost the election in a landslide. It was so much worse that the seditious traitors who invaded the Capitol, seeking to murder lawmakers, are being hunted down nationally from wherever they're hiding and will be brought to justice. And as bad as it was, it could have been worse. Imagine if Trump's mob gotten their grimey hands on lawmakers.

 

[Faun]

If my country had a fraudulent election to the scale of November 2020, and the Nation's Intel agencyy refused to investigate, and the media ignored it, and people who peacefull protested were censored and attacked....
I'd see it as a coup and would probably be attacking my Parliament as well

Exactly, it was foreseeable, which makes Trump and his puppets lies about the election fraud so much worse. It wasn't political hyperbole, it was incitement to violence which is what it lead to. He made false claims many of which can be directly disproven and the others he was never able to verify, yet he keeps saying them, his idiot followers believe them, and the nutters are acting on them.

I did not see it coming. Generally conservatives are pretty mild. I expected the demonstration to just stand there and make some noise and be forgotten.


I was surprised when the riot broke out.

I wasn't... I literally called my family while Trump was giving his speech and told them to tune in because shit was about to go down. I told them Trump just threw Pence under the bus and there is a mob of angry people that are about to go mess things up. It was clear and obvious what Trump was doing and what was about to happen. If you couldn't see that then you have blinders on. But you support Trump so I guess the blinders are a given

My expectation of a peaceful demonstration was based on decades of observation of demonstration conservatives who, even when pissed off, almost always obeyed the law and demonstrated peacefully and then went home.


What was yours based on?

Mine was based on common sense. You can’t use historical precedent when you have a president that breaks all the norms. My observations were correct. I called my family before the riot to tell them there was about to be a riot. How did I know?! Because it was obvious. The real question you should be asking yourself is why you were surprised and why you couldn’t see it coming when it was so easy to see what Trump was doing.

Trump did not break all the norms.

His style was odd. He was disagreeable and vulgar. But his policies and actions were measured and restrained.

So, you were right, but for the wrong reasons. That happens. Like the way I was initially attracted to my wife because of her, well, never mind.

I was right for the right reasons. Because I can see the effects that a con man has on his followers. The question is why couldn’t you see it coming?

I asked what you based your conclusion on, and the reasons you gave were not true.


THus, you were right for the wrong reasons.


Hey, better than being wrong for the right reasons.


YOur spin is dismissed.

Well this is coming from somebody who was wrong and blindsided so perhaps what you think im wrong about isn’t really wrong.

No one is prefect. Being wrong once does not mean that my judgement is valueless.

YOur stated reasons were not true. Thus you were right for the wrong reasons.

My stated reasons weren’t true yet I was right. So I must have seen something that you didn’t see. Your Perceived reality was wrong and left you blindsided. That should tell you something

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.


If I found that I was consistently wrong, then your point that I should reexamine my perceptions would be correct.


BUt so far, this was a one off.

What do you think I lied about. What I observed was obvious and predictable... yet it surprised you. Gee, let’s think about that for a sec

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

You admitted that you were surprised at the riot. I said it was obvious and easy to see coming. I’m not lying about that, If you think I’m lying then why don’t you tell me what really happened. What am I getting wrong?

I fully explained what you were lying about. YOur pretense of confusion is you lying again.

Your need to avoid being honest about what I say, how can that not be a red flag for you?

Wow, that was a lot of words for a non answer. What a waste of space. Want to try again?

Nope. Your tactic of pretending to misunderstand a clear statement to then ask stupid questions, is an odd game, but one I am willing to play.


Pretend to be too retarded to understand a simple sentence again, and I will call you on your lying again.


I'm not sure of the point, but I am sure that I am kidding your ass.

Where in that statement was a clear sentence stating what the hell you’re talking about?! Nowhere!!! If you’ve been so clear then just copy and paste it. I honestly have no clue what you’re talking about. I think you got schooled and are just trying to confuse things to distract from the fact you lack a solid argument.

I don't believe that you are so retarded that you did not understand it initially.

I am willing to consider that you might be stupid enough to have forgotten since it has been several posts so here it is again.



People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

Oh ok, well I agree that people can be correct through luck. I don’t think that’s the case here, I just think I was more perceptive because what Trump was doing had a painfully obvious effect which I could see coming from a mile away.... you on the other hand were cause blindsided so you obviously didn’t see it.

now you are able to look at things in hindsight. If you think what I’ve said was wrong then state why... see this is how normal debate works. It shouldn’t take pages and me explaining it like to a third grader.

I already explained my reasoning. DECADES of watching conservatives protest, even angry, but obeying the law and being peaceful.

THe violence and destruction has almost solely been on the left..


So, this change up was a surprise.

IN HINDSIGHT. it is less surprising considering the normalization of violence by five years of riots by antifa and blm.

Ok but after the surprise wore off what did you see what caused the change?

Sure. THe years of political violence from your side that made it the new norm.

Haha, this is the best one yet. So since the left is violent it inspired the right to be violent? You really want to go with that? Has the lefts push for big government also inspired the right to support big government? Your arguments are getting dumber and dumber.

Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point. I made it very clear. YOu don't need to restate it using your own words. (and thus adding your own spin, dishonestly).


ADDRESS MY POINT OR DON'T POST.

Your point is absolute bullshit. There has been violence from the right wing forever just as there has been from the left wing. At trump rallies in 2016 he had supporter punching protesters in the face, he encouraged it......

there I directly addressed your point. Now you address mine. Don’t distract

Punching a HECKLER, is a pretty minor example to lead off with, considering the 5 years of riots from your side. Charlettosville was the FAR right, not conservatives.


Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point.

Haha, ok so my examples just don’t count. I could give more but I guess those wouldn’t count either. Why do I bother. You’re hopeless.

I can play that game though... the summer riots were just the FAR Left not liberals. So they don’t count either. How’s that for ya?

not bad. The actual rioters, imo, were far left.


The support they got from elected dem officials, that were not denounced by the dem party as a whole, though that is more troubling.

Ahhh right, you’re probably stuck in the right wing media bubble. Here is the leader of the Dems condemning violence... Fact check: Joe Biden has condemned protest-related violence all summer

Interesting. I clearly was discussing not the violence, but the support of the violence by dem mayors.

DId Biden ever denounce the mayors that ordered the cops to stand down so that rioters could riot, loot and kill?

Which mayor? Can you give me a name?

Ted Wheeler is the most obvious.

This guy? Do you wanna try somebody else?

Portland Mayor Wheeler condemns violence during riot downtown

PORTLAND, Ore. – Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler denounced the violence during an overnight riot downtown where demonstrators pulled down statues and broke the windows of the Oregon Historical Society. The mayor was joined by Police Chief Chuck Lovell, Oregon Representative Tawna Sanchez, and Oregon...

katu.com

lol, you really do love those empty words, don't you?

Ted Wheeler, Portland mayor, stands by decision to allow Antifa to block traffic

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.

www.washingtontimes.com

By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Sunday, October 14, 2018


"Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.
“I was appalled by what I saw in the video, but I support the Portland Police Bureau’s decision not to intervene,” he said at a press conference. “This whole incident will be investigated.”
The video posted by journalist Andy C. Ngo showed protesters, including members of antifa and Black Lives Matter, blocking an intersection and attempting to direct traffic at while officers on motorcycle watched from a block away.



At one point, the activists chased down 74-year-old Kent Houser after he made a right turn against their wishes, pounding on his silver Lexus and breaking a window. The car sustained thousands of dollars in damage, he told the Oregonian.

Even so, Mr. Wheeler insisted that “motorists should feel completely safe coming into downtown Portland.”

Demonstrators did not obtain a permit before holding the Oct. 6 march...

The mayor has been accused of taking a kid-gloved approach to the protests that routinely roil the liberal enclave, such as the summer occupation of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement building, which saw Portland police refuse to assist the immigration-enforcement officers unless they were in physical danger."

Empty words? Not really... your critique is that he stood by the decision of his police chief and that somehow is supposed to prove what exactly?? You said the Mayors never spoke out against the violence. I showed otherwise.

Police chiefs don't set policy, they follow it. That the mayor shifted teh blame for his policies onto his police chief is him being a democrat, nothing more.


The police stood by while the rioters rioted. and people were assaulted.


That the mayor was too much of a democrat to admit that he ordered that, is to be expected.

My bad I must have missed the policy or order that the mayor gave to the police chief. Can you post a link, I can’t find info on that .

Even dem mayors are smart enough to LIE about that. But the results are clear. THe cops stand down while antifa and/or blm riot though the streets.

Are you saying you don’t have a link or anything showing that this was a policy or order from the Mayor? So did you just lie about it?

I'm saying that ted wheeler has been on the side of the mob, for the last several years. THe few empty words he says to the contrary of his actions are just put out there for the really stupid to swallow.


He is one example of that.

says the person who swallows lies from the far right every day of his/her/its life.....

"... lies from the far right....."

There is no Far Right in this country.....only a Far Left.


I'll use you to prove it.


As documented in a number of threads, there is no Far Right in America, but certainly is a Far Left, radicals who have taken over one of the parties….the Democrats. A reminder: To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center. American traditions, values, and history represent that center. The Right, represented by the Republican Party, has no radial positions not consistent with America’s heritage…..but the Democrats sure do!

Subservient to the master they serve, that fire and brimstone guy, the Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Talk about “Far”!!!!

If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



When you can't find any 'far' positions on the right, you will have proved your acceptance of Democrat propaganda.

They don’t get much dumber that politicalchic .... it’s like basic knowledge and logic are completely out the window.

Said the man asking for proof about the last 5 years off riots.

Haha. Can you show where I asked for proof about 5 years of riots?

Can you do anything other than dodge and weave?


For 5 years we have had riots in teh streets from the far left, with the support, of varying degrees from the mainstream left,

and that is just sort of accepted, while you people are pretending to be absolutely outraged over the ONE riot from the right.

Im not dodging a thing, just calling out your BS. You say these things but when pressed fail to back them up. Besides maybe the cherrypicked outcast whom you haven’t shown, I haven’t seen anybody in leadership, no Mayors or congressmen or media supporting the riots. You make these claims and then can’t back them up. It’s a nice distraction to avoid talking about Trump and the Jan 6 riot which is the actual topic of the thread... but you’re not fooling anybody.

I'm not trying to distract from anything. I've been happy to discuss Trump and the 1/6 riot.

YOu are the one that wants to invent reasons to ignore the hundreds from your side over the last 5 years.

What do you think I’m ignoring?! I’m just pointing out the dishonest things you’ve been claiming. The fact you can’t show proof to back up the things I’ve questioned you about shows that.

You've been playing word games to deflect, minimize, or confuse the part of the issue that is the hundreds of riots from YOUR side of the partisan divide.


YOu want to just talk shit about my side, and the ONE riot we have to our "credit", to smear us and marginalize us, and thus justify your next round of escalation,

while ignoring the context of your side's violence.

I don’t really have a side. I dislike dem policies but respect their goals when it comes to social issues. I think Republicans are horrible at messaging, most are an embarrassment, but I support more of their fiscal policies. I think both parties are corrupt. But my personal views don’t matter to this debate, so let’s get back to it shall we??

I see you being dishonest and I’m calling out yoir dishonesty it’s as simple as that. We were talking about the capital riot and now we are talking about the summer riots. That’s because of you. That’s the distraction. But I’m fine going there, the summer riots were wrong and bad. But stop lying about dem support that doesn’t exist

Talking about a riot in isolation, ignoring the fact that it took place during a period of civil unrest makes it impossible to have any real insight into the riot or the forces behind it or what it meant.

Who is ignoring the fact it happened during a time of civil unrest?! I’d be the first to admit that we are living in a extremely polarized and tense time politically. Another great gift from Mr Trump

The vast majority of the riots came from the Left. ONly one of them were from teh right.


Seems this period of political unrest is a gift from the Left.


It is really worth noting that hte one righty riot you want to talk about, came at the END of Trump's administration.

Well the riots on the left were centered around millions of people protesting for racial equality. That doesn’t excuse those who acted out but that’s what it was. There were many riots during the civil rights movement in the 60s and I bet the majority of Americans would agree that cause was righteous. The Jan 6 riot was an attempt to overthrow our government in order to stop what they were lied to and told was a stolen election. They also wanted to kill our VP because trump lied and said he had the ability to stop the certification. These are two very very very different things. I don’t understand why people like you keep trying to compare them as similar situations.

You lying asshole.....the protest on Jan. 6 wasn't about over throwing the government....that is why no one in the Capitol building during the protest had a gun......

again...

600 million guns in America....

over 19.4 million Americans with the legal ability to carry guns for self defense....

Over 100,000 Trump supporters...

About 200 people entered the capitol building...

They had Zero guns.........

You do not over throw a government without guns...you mindless moron.......

The Trump supporters wandered the halls and took selfies......antifa and blm plants in the crowd vandalized the place and fought with some of the police......

Hahahhahahaha. Are you shitting me?! The whole point of the riot was to stop the steal and they tried to do so by force. That is literally overthrowing our system of government... the definition of an insurrection. Wake up

How is it overthrowing the system when you yourself admitted it was a Steal.

They thought it was a steal because they were lied to. It obviously was not stolen. Our elections systems have too many safeguards working independently of each other for that to happen

No system is any better than the people making it up. And dems have shown that they will lie and cheat and abuse ANY power they are given.

Yup, so have the Republicans. Power corrupts

FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But you dems have abused every single iota of power you have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.

I’m not a democrat

lol. Sure. Ok then.

FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But the dems have abused every single iota of power they have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.

Yeah I agree, the Dems need a respectable check on their power because they don’t have very good ideas and are riddled with corruption. But the Reps have been at a whole different level as of late and thanks to Trump their party is blown to pieces. Now they don’t even have a platform to run on

Trump was fine. Your pretense otherwise is not rational.

I disagree, he relentlessly trolled causing crippling partisan division and he constantly lied to the American people. The guy is a disgrace and now he has half the Republican Party standing behind his lies supporting an insurrection and at each others throats. It’s pathetic and sad for our country. The Dems sure are grateful

You say "insurrection" to try to make that ONE riot, as bad as 5 years of riots from your side.


Your side is the side that is tearing this nation apart. That you whine like this over ONE small riot of 200 people, after hundred of riots from your side, is you being weak and pathetic.

The reason why the Jan 6 insurrection was so much worse than the summer riots is because jan 6 was based on lies from the most powerful man in the world who we gave that power to. A betrayal of our public trust that resulted in an attempt to over through our government. The summer riots have no excuse but they were criminals taking advantage of a huge movement of national outrage over racial equality. I’m sorry that you can’t see the difference.

Bullshit. The "Reason" you are pretending that the 1/6 riot is so much worse than the HUNDREDS of riots before it, is because it is the ONLY one that you can blame on the other side.


YOU people are the ones that have been using violence as a political tool.


And now you want to dodge ownership of your actions.


That is the act of a coward.

Why can’t you post the definition of insurrection so we can settle this?

Because we both know that delaying a formality by a few hours, is not it.


The "Reason" you are pretending that the 1/6 riot is so much worse than the HUNDREDS of riots before it, is because it is the ONLY one that you can blame on the other side.

Dumbfuck, their actions constitute insurrection, which is the "act of revolting against civil authority or an established government." It doesn't cease being insurrection because they failed to "stop the steal," which was their stated goal.

 

[Faun]

Why give illegal aliens free food stamps, and then tell them to go and vote?








Transcript:



RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting.

[And that is who she is speaking for!]

So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
[Who would come for legal citizens voting?????????]
OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself.

[Just like you.....a bald-faced liar!]

And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera.

[Meaning: 'Go ahead and vote....no one will be the wiser!']



The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

[Meaning, I guess....if you are living with lots of other illegals...well, heck, at least some of you should go vote! After all....Trump is trying to get rid of you illegals!]

You're still lying about that?? How sad. In reality, Obama told illegals they can't legally vote; and he told "Latino citizens" to vote because their vote matter for illegals.

...what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you're not just speaking for yourself. You're speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school... who may not have a voice. Who can't legally vote. But they're counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard."​

He was clearly playing along with the woman's suggestion that illegal aliens were citizens and should vote.

If he was not a whore angling for hispanic votes, or illegal votes, he should have right there, made his anti-illegal position clear.


Except... he is not really anti-illegal, is he?

You're deranged. Neither of them said non-citizenscoukd or should vote; and he did clearly state it is illegal for non-citizens to vote. He also twice promoted a website which stated only citizens can vote.

She clearly said that they should be able to, "because they contribute to the community" and he was clearly playing along.

No, she didn't. She said they are fearful of voting in the vein of their American relatives voting could lead to them being caught and deported.

Which is exactly how Obama took it to mean as he responded by pointing out that Americans who vote do so in secrecy, so it can't lead to their undocumented relatives being deported.

 

[Slade3200]

If my country had a fraudulent election to the scale of November 2020, and the Nation's Intel agencyy refused to investigate, and the media ignored it, and people who peacefull protested were censored and attacked....
I'd see it as a coup and would probably be attacking my Parliament as well

Exactly, it was foreseeable, which makes Trump and his puppets lies about the election fraud so much worse. It wasn't political hyperbole, it was incitement to violence which is what it lead to. He made false claims many of which can be directly disproven and the others he was never able to verify, yet he keeps saying them, his idiot followers believe them, and the nutters are acting on them.

I did not see it coming. Generally conservatives are pretty mild. I expected the demonstration to just stand there and make some noise and be forgotten.


I was surprised when the riot broke out.

I wasn't... I literally called my family while Trump was giving his speech and told them to tune in because shit was about to go down. I told them Trump just threw Pence under the bus and there is a mob of angry people that are about to go mess things up. It was clear and obvious what Trump was doing and what was about to happen. If you couldn't see that then you have blinders on. But you support Trump so I guess the blinders are a given

My expectation of a peaceful demonstration was based on decades of observation of demonstration conservatives who, even when pissed off, almost always obeyed the law and demonstrated peacefully and then went home.


What was yours based on?

Mine was based on common sense. You can’t use historical precedent when you have a president that breaks all the norms. My observations were correct. I called my family before the riot to tell them there was about to be a riot. How did I know?! Because it was obvious. The real question you should be asking yourself is why you were surprised and why you couldn’t see it coming when it was so easy to see what Trump was doing.

Trump did not break all the norms.

His style was odd. He was disagreeable and vulgar. But his policies and actions were measured and restrained.

So, you were right, but for the wrong reasons. That happens. Like the way I was initially attracted to my wife because of her, well, never mind.

I was right for the right reasons. Because I can see the effects that a con man has on his followers. The question is why couldn’t you see it coming?

I asked what you based your conclusion on, and the reasons you gave were not true.


THus, you were right for the wrong reasons.


Hey, better than being wrong for the right reasons.


YOur spin is dismissed.

Well this is coming from somebody who was wrong and blindsided so perhaps what you think im wrong about isn’t really wrong.

No one is prefect. Being wrong once does not mean that my judgement is valueless.

YOur stated reasons were not true. Thus you were right for the wrong reasons.

My stated reasons weren’t true yet I was right. So I must have seen something that you didn’t see. Your Perceived reality was wrong and left you blindsided. That should tell you something

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.


If I found that I was consistently wrong, then your point that I should reexamine my perceptions would be correct.


BUt so far, this was a one off.

What do you think I lied about. What I observed was obvious and predictable... yet it surprised you. Gee, let’s think about that for a sec

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

You admitted that you were surprised at the riot. I said it was obvious and easy to see coming. I’m not lying about that, If you think I’m lying then why don’t you tell me what really happened. What am I getting wrong?

I fully explained what you were lying about. YOur pretense of confusion is you lying again.

Your need to avoid being honest about what I say, how can that not be a red flag for you?

Wow, that was a lot of words for a non answer. What a waste of space. Want to try again?

Nope. Your tactic of pretending to misunderstand a clear statement to then ask stupid questions, is an odd game, but one I am willing to play.


Pretend to be too retarded to understand a simple sentence again, and I will call you on your lying again.


I'm not sure of the point, but I am sure that I am kidding your ass.

Where in that statement was a clear sentence stating what the hell you’re talking about?! Nowhere!!! If you’ve been so clear then just copy and paste it. I honestly have no clue what you’re talking about. I think you got schooled and are just trying to confuse things to distract from the fact you lack a solid argument.

I don't believe that you are so retarded that you did not understand it initially.

I am willing to consider that you might be stupid enough to have forgotten since it has been several posts so here it is again.



People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

Oh ok, well I agree that people can be correct through luck. I don’t think that’s the case here, I just think I was more perceptive because what Trump was doing had a painfully obvious effect which I could see coming from a mile away.... you on the other hand were cause blindsided so you obviously didn’t see it.

now you are able to look at things in hindsight. If you think what I’ve said was wrong then state why... see this is how normal debate works. It shouldn’t take pages and me explaining it like to a third grader.

I already explained my reasoning. DECADES of watching conservatives protest, even angry, but obeying the law and being peaceful.

THe violence and destruction has almost solely been on the left..


So, this change up was a surprise.

IN HINDSIGHT. it is less surprising considering the normalization of violence by five years of riots by antifa and blm.

Ok but after the surprise wore off what did you see what caused the change?

Sure. THe years of political violence from your side that made it the new norm.

Haha, this is the best one yet. So since the left is violent it inspired the right to be violent? You really want to go with that? Has the lefts push for big government also inspired the right to support big government? Your arguments are getting dumber and dumber.

Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point. I made it very clear. YOu don't need to restate it using your own words. (and thus adding your own spin, dishonestly).


ADDRESS MY POINT OR DON'T POST.

Your point is absolute bullshit. There has been violence from the right wing forever just as there has been from the left wing. At trump rallies in 2016 he had supporter punching protesters in the face, he encouraged it......

there I directly addressed your point. Now you address mine. Don’t distract

Punching a HECKLER, is a pretty minor example to lead off with, considering the 5 years of riots from your side. Charlettosville was the FAR right, not conservatives.


Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point.

Haha, ok so my examples just don’t count. I could give more but I guess those wouldn’t count either. Why do I bother. You’re hopeless.

I can play that game though... the summer riots were just the FAR Left not liberals. So they don’t count either. How’s that for ya?

not bad. The actual rioters, imo, were far left.


The support they got from elected dem officials, that were not denounced by the dem party as a whole, though that is more troubling.

Ahhh right, you’re probably stuck in the right wing media bubble. Here is the leader of the Dems condemning violence... Fact check: Joe Biden has condemned protest-related violence all summer

Interesting. I clearly was discussing not the violence, but the support of the violence by dem mayors.

DId Biden ever denounce the mayors that ordered the cops to stand down so that rioters could riot, loot and kill?

Which mayor? Can you give me a name?

Ted Wheeler is the most obvious.

This guy? Do you wanna try somebody else?

Portland Mayor Wheeler condemns violence during riot downtown

PORTLAND, Ore. – Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler denounced the violence during an overnight riot downtown where demonstrators pulled down statues and broke the windows of the Oregon Historical Society. The mayor was joined by Police Chief Chuck Lovell, Oregon Representative Tawna Sanchez, and Oregon...

katu.com

lol, you really do love those empty words, don't you?

Ted Wheeler, Portland mayor, stands by decision to allow Antifa to block traffic

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.

www.washingtontimes.com

By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Sunday, October 14, 2018


"Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.
“I was appalled by what I saw in the video, but I support the Portland Police Bureau’s decision not to intervene,” he said at a press conference. “This whole incident will be investigated.”
The video posted by journalist Andy C. Ngo showed protesters, including members of antifa and Black Lives Matter, blocking an intersection and attempting to direct traffic at while officers on motorcycle watched from a block away.



At one point, the activists chased down 74-year-old Kent Houser after he made a right turn against their wishes, pounding on his silver Lexus and breaking a window. The car sustained thousands of dollars in damage, he told the Oregonian.

Even so, Mr. Wheeler insisted that “motorists should feel completely safe coming into downtown Portland.”

Demonstrators did not obtain a permit before holding the Oct. 6 march...

The mayor has been accused of taking a kid-gloved approach to the protests that routinely roil the liberal enclave, such as the summer occupation of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement building, which saw Portland police refuse to assist the immigration-enforcement officers unless they were in physical danger."

Empty words? Not really... your critique is that he stood by the decision of his police chief and that somehow is supposed to prove what exactly?? You said the Mayors never spoke out against the violence. I showed otherwise.

Police chiefs don't set policy, they follow it. That the mayor shifted teh blame for his policies onto his police chief is him being a democrat, nothing more.


The police stood by while the rioters rioted. and people were assaulted.


That the mayor was too much of a democrat to admit that he ordered that, is to be expected.

My bad I must have missed the policy or order that the mayor gave to the police chief. Can you post a link, I can’t find info on that .

Even dem mayors are smart enough to LIE about that. But the results are clear. THe cops stand down while antifa and/or blm riot though the streets.

Are you saying you don’t have a link or anything showing that this was a policy or order from the Mayor? So did you just lie about it?

I'm saying that ted wheeler has been on the side of the mob, for the last several years. THe few empty words he says to the contrary of his actions are just put out there for the really stupid to swallow.


He is one example of that.

says the person who swallows lies from the far right every day of his/her/its life.....

"... lies from the far right....."

There is no Far Right in this country.....only a Far Left.


I'll use you to prove it.


As documented in a number of threads, there is no Far Right in America, but certainly is a Far Left, radicals who have taken over one of the parties….the Democrats. A reminder: To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center. American traditions, values, and history represent that center. The Right, represented by the Republican Party, has no radial positions not consistent with America’s heritage…..but the Democrats sure do!

Subservient to the master they serve, that fire and brimstone guy, the Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Talk about “Far”!!!!

If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



When you can't find any 'far' positions on the right, you will have proved your acceptance of Democrat propaganda.

They don’t get much dumber that politicalchic .... it’s like basic knowledge and logic are completely out the window.

Said the man asking for proof about the last 5 years off riots.

Haha. Can you show where I asked for proof about 5 years of riots?

Can you do anything other than dodge and weave?


For 5 years we have had riots in teh streets from the far left, with the support, of varying degrees from the mainstream left,

and that is just sort of accepted, while you people are pretending to be absolutely outraged over the ONE riot from the right.

Im not dodging a thing, just calling out your BS. You say these things but when pressed fail to back them up. Besides maybe the cherrypicked outcast whom you haven’t shown, I haven’t seen anybody in leadership, no Mayors or congressmen or media supporting the riots. You make these claims and then can’t back them up. It’s a nice distraction to avoid talking about Trump and the Jan 6 riot which is the actual topic of the thread... but you’re not fooling anybody.

I'm not trying to distract from anything. I've been happy to discuss Trump and the 1/6 riot.

YOu are the one that wants to invent reasons to ignore the hundreds from your side over the last 5 years.

What do you think I’m ignoring?! I’m just pointing out the dishonest things you’ve been claiming. The fact you can’t show proof to back up the things I’ve questioned you about shows that.

You've been playing word games to deflect, minimize, or confuse the part of the issue that is the hundreds of riots from YOUR side of the partisan divide.


YOu want to just talk shit about my side, and the ONE riot we have to our "credit", to smear us and marginalize us, and thus justify your next round of escalation,

while ignoring the context of your side's violence.

I don’t really have a side. I dislike dem policies but respect their goals when it comes to social issues. I think Republicans are horrible at messaging, most are an embarrassment, but I support more of their fiscal policies. I think both parties are corrupt. But my personal views don’t matter to this debate, so let’s get back to it shall we??

I see you being dishonest and I’m calling out yoir dishonesty it’s as simple as that. We were talking about the capital riot and now we are talking about the summer riots. That’s because of you. That’s the distraction. But I’m fine going there, the summer riots were wrong and bad. But stop lying about dem support that doesn’t exist

Talking about a riot in isolation, ignoring the fact that it took place during a period of civil unrest makes it impossible to have any real insight into the riot or the forces behind it or what it meant.

Who is ignoring the fact it happened during a time of civil unrest?! I’d be the first to admit that we are living in a extremely polarized and tense time politically. Another great gift from Mr Trump

The vast majority of the riots came from the Left. ONly one of them were from teh right.


Seems this period of political unrest is a gift from the Left.


It is really worth noting that hte one righty riot you want to talk about, came at the END of Trump's administration.

Well the riots on the left were centered around millions of people protesting for racial equality. That doesn’t excuse those who acted out but that’s what it was. There were many riots during the civil rights movement in the 60s and I bet the majority of Americans would agree that cause was righteous. The Jan 6 riot was an attempt to overthrow our government in order to stop what they were lied to and told was a stolen election. They also wanted to kill our VP because trump lied and said he had the ability to stop the certification. These are two very very very different things. I don’t understand why people like you keep trying to compare them as similar situations.

You lying asshole.....the protest on Jan. 6 wasn't about over throwing the government....that is why no one in the Capitol building during the protest had a gun......

again...

600 million guns in America....

over 19.4 million Americans with the legal ability to carry guns for self defense....

Over 100,000 Trump supporters...

About 200 people entered the capitol building...

They had Zero guns.........

You do not over throw a government without guns...you mindless moron.......

The Trump supporters wandered the halls and took selfies......antifa and blm plants in the crowd vandalized the place and fought with some of the police......

Hahahhahahaha. Are you shitting me?! The whole point of the riot was to stop the steal and they tried to do so by force. That is literally overthrowing our system of government... the definition of an insurrection. Wake up

The stop the Steal campaign was about preserving democracy, demanding audits, free and fair elections.
It was a Human Rights protest by Pro Democracy activists.
The coup happened on November 3rd.

Haha. No the stop the steal campaign was a bunch of poor sport losers who couldn’t handle getting whooped at the polls and they were led by the worst of them all Trump

The leader of stop the Steal is a black muslim.
The election was unconstitutional and rigged.
Time magazine even admitted a secret cabal of pwerful people rigged it in the weeks and months prior.
Deal with it.

The courts disagree with you... sorry but that’s how our system works.

Appeal to Authority logical fallacy. Your point is basically MIGHT MAKES RIGHT.


That really all you have to defend your position? Cause that is basically admitting that you are wrong.

Haha, not at all. Our system of government, via the constitution which I’m sure you pretend to hold so dear, has a method set up to settle disputes like this. This system is at the foundation of what our country is. Trump is the only president in our history that I can think of that actively campaigned against that system and tried to undermine it. That toxic thinking has seemed to spill over onto you and your ilk as well. If you can’t respect and trust our justice system and the results it yields then that is the pathway to losing our country. If the only answer is your way or the highway then it paints a pretty clear picture for how immature and egotistical your arguments are.

You have given up arguing that what your side did was morally or ethically right, and are just citing that you won.


That is what is toxic here. Your desire to win and to crush your enemies, who you think should never be allowed to have a turn even if they win.

Doesn’t have anything to do with winning the election, it has to do with the obvious lies Trump tossed out there and the failed efforts to prove any of it. His claimed were challenged in court, elections systems were audited, recounts took place. His claims were vetted, more than they needed to be IMO but they were. Our system showed that he was lying

My point was that you are not making your case at all, just Appealing to Authority.


That is you giving up the argument.

Haha, you’re missing the point. You are ignorant, I am ignorant, we have an insignificant fraction of information about what actually happened in regards to election fraud. Neither of us saw anything first hand so all we have are media/agency reports and a review of the actual events that happened. And in regards to that, every one of our legal systems showed that the election was legit and trump was a lying. The DOJ reviewed the evidence, more evidence than you or I have access too, and Barr said there was nothing there, 60+ independent courts reviewed several different cases in several different states... nothing there. There was a case presented to SCOTUS, nothing.... multiple states did audits and recounts, nothing.... the states certified, congress certified. What the hell else more do you want?! This is insanity.

Am I putting trust in entities outside of my own two eyes?? Yes, we all have to. I’m putting trust in our system. I’m using logic. I’m not hiding from the argument, I’m making the argument. From what I’ve seen and from the results our system has produced is pretty damn clear that the election was legit and Trump is a liar. I really don’t see how that can be rationally disputed

Trust in the system is not an argument in defense of a position.

Of course it is, the “system” has several different checks and balances, independent entities, all of which have much more actual verified intel than you or I... as I laid out. Now what do you have to base your opinion on? Trump? YouTube videos? Memes?

My opinion? My position is that you have given up making your case is based on your taking a stand on APPEAL TO AUTHORITY.

Appeal to entities that have more intelligence and evidence than I do. Has nothing to do with authority. I’ll ask again though. What is your opinion based on?

Depends on the issue. Mostly my reasoning and judgement.


I don't know if I ever say, just because someone else says it. That is the act of a small child. Or someone who knows on some level that the truth is not on their side.

That’s not what I’m saying either. What are you basing your reasoning and judgement on. What facts and intelligence?

1. That is exactly what you said.

2. Depends on the issue. Like I already said.


Are you having trouble with blackouts or something?

1. No it’s not what I said. I, like you, also use reasoning and judgement. You don’t need to be condescending and pretend like I’m just parroting what other people tell me. I use my own reasoning along with the judgement and statements of over 60 judges and the words of Trumps AG, all of whom have seen with their own eyes much more evidence than you or I. If you think that’s insignificant than that’s just idiotic but it would fall in line with the stupidity of the position you are taking on this issue

2. you know the issue...Trumps claim of a stolen election. Are you lost in this conversation?

 

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If my country had a fraudulent election to the scale of November 2020, and the Nation's Intel agencyy refused to investigate, and the media ignored it, and people who peacefull protested were censored and attacked....
I'd see it as a coup and would probably be attacking my Parliament as well

Exactly, it was foreseeable, which makes Trump and his puppets lies about the election fraud so much worse. It wasn't political hyperbole, it was incitement to violence which is what it lead to. He made false claims many of which can be directly disproven and the others he was never able to verify, yet he keeps saying them, his idiot followers believe them, and the nutters are acting on them.

I did not see it coming. Generally conservatives are pretty mild. I expected the demonstration to just stand there and make some noise and be forgotten.


I was surprised when the riot broke out.

I wasn't... I literally called my family while Trump was giving his speech and told them to tune in because shit was about to go down. I told them Trump just threw Pence under the bus and there is a mob of angry people that are about to go mess things up. It was clear and obvious what Trump was doing and what was about to happen. If you couldn't see that then you have blinders on. But you support Trump so I guess the blinders are a given

My expectation of a peaceful demonstration was based on decades of observation of demonstration conservatives who, even when pissed off, almost always obeyed the law and demonstrated peacefully and then went home.


What was yours based on?

Mine was based on common sense. You can’t use historical precedent when you have a president that breaks all the norms. My observations were correct. I called my family before the riot to tell them there was about to be a riot. How did I know?! Because it was obvious. The real question you should be asking yourself is why you were surprised and why you couldn’t see it coming when it was so easy to see what Trump was doing.

Trump did not break all the norms.

His style was odd. He was disagreeable and vulgar. But his policies and actions were measured and restrained.

So, you were right, but for the wrong reasons. That happens. Like the way I was initially attracted to my wife because of her, well, never mind.

I was right for the right reasons. Because I can see the effects that a con man has on his followers. The question is why couldn’t you see it coming?

I asked what you based your conclusion on, and the reasons you gave were not true.


THus, you were right for the wrong reasons.


Hey, better than being wrong for the right reasons.


YOur spin is dismissed.

Well this is coming from somebody who was wrong and blindsided so perhaps what you think im wrong about isn’t really wrong.

No one is prefect. Being wrong once does not mean that my judgement is valueless.

YOur stated reasons were not true. Thus you were right for the wrong reasons.

My stated reasons weren’t true yet I was right. So I must have seen something that you didn’t see. Your Perceived reality was wrong and left you blindsided. That should tell you something

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.


If I found that I was consistently wrong, then your point that I should reexamine my perceptions would be correct.


BUt so far, this was a one off.

What do you think I lied about. What I observed was obvious and predictable... yet it surprised you. Gee, let’s think about that for a sec

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

You admitted that you were surprised at the riot. I said it was obvious and easy to see coming. I’m not lying about that, If you think I’m lying then why don’t you tell me what really happened. What am I getting wrong?

I fully explained what you were lying about. YOur pretense of confusion is you lying again.

Your need to avoid being honest about what I say, how can that not be a red flag for you?

Wow, that was a lot of words for a non answer. What a waste of space. Want to try again?

Nope. Your tactic of pretending to misunderstand a clear statement to then ask stupid questions, is an odd game, but one I am willing to play.


Pretend to be too retarded to understand a simple sentence again, and I will call you on your lying again.


I'm not sure of the point, but I am sure that I am kidding your ass.

Where in that statement was a clear sentence stating what the hell you’re talking about?! Nowhere!!! If you’ve been so clear then just copy and paste it. I honestly have no clue what you’re talking about. I think you got schooled and are just trying to confuse things to distract from the fact you lack a solid argument.

I don't believe that you are so retarded that you did not understand it initially.

I am willing to consider that you might be stupid enough to have forgotten since it has been several posts so here it is again.



People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

Oh ok, well I agree that people can be correct through luck. I don’t think that’s the case here, I just think I was more perceptive because what Trump was doing had a painfully obvious effect which I could see coming from a mile away.... you on the other hand were cause blindsided so you obviously didn’t see it.

now you are able to look at things in hindsight. If you think what I’ve said was wrong then state why... see this is how normal debate works. It shouldn’t take pages and me explaining it like to a third grader.

I already explained my reasoning. DECADES of watching conservatives protest, even angry, but obeying the law and being peaceful.

THe violence and destruction has almost solely been on the left..


So, this change up was a surprise.

IN HINDSIGHT. it is less surprising considering the normalization of violence by five years of riots by antifa and blm.

Ok but after the surprise wore off what did you see what caused the change?

Sure. THe years of political violence from your side that made it the new norm.

Haha, this is the best one yet. So since the left is violent it inspired the right to be violent? You really want to go with that? Has the lefts push for big government also inspired the right to support big government? Your arguments are getting dumber and dumber.

Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point. I made it very clear. YOu don't need to restate it using your own words. (and thus adding your own spin, dishonestly).


ADDRESS MY POINT OR DON'T POST.

Your point is absolute bullshit. There has been violence from the right wing forever just as there has been from the left wing. At trump rallies in 2016 he had supporter punching protesters in the face, he encouraged it......

there I directly addressed your point. Now you address mine. Don’t distract

Punching a HECKLER, is a pretty minor example to lead off with, considering the 5 years of riots from your side. Charlettosville was the FAR right, not conservatives.


Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point.

Haha, ok so my examples just don’t count. I could give more but I guess those wouldn’t count either. Why do I bother. You’re hopeless.

I can play that game though... the summer riots were just the FAR Left not liberals. So they don’t count either. How’s that for ya?

not bad. The actual rioters, imo, were far left.


The support they got from elected dem officials, that were not denounced by the dem party as a whole, though that is more troubling.

Ahhh right, you’re probably stuck in the right wing media bubble. Here is the leader of the Dems condemning violence... Fact check: Joe Biden has condemned protest-related violence all summer

Interesting. I clearly was discussing not the violence, but the support of the violence by dem mayors.

DId Biden ever denounce the mayors that ordered the cops to stand down so that rioters could riot, loot and kill?

Which mayor? Can you give me a name?

Ted Wheeler is the most obvious.

This guy? Do you wanna try somebody else?

Portland Mayor Wheeler condemns violence during riot downtown

PORTLAND, Ore. – Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler denounced the violence during an overnight riot downtown where demonstrators pulled down statues and broke the windows of the Oregon Historical Society. The mayor was joined by Police Chief Chuck Lovell, Oregon Representative Tawna Sanchez, and Oregon...

katu.com

lol, you really do love those empty words, don't you?

Ted Wheeler, Portland mayor, stands by decision to allow Antifa to block traffic

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.

www.washingtontimes.com

By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Sunday, October 14, 2018


"Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.
“I was appalled by what I saw in the video, but I support the Portland Police Bureau’s decision not to intervene,” he said at a press conference. “This whole incident will be investigated.”
The video posted by journalist Andy C. Ngo showed protesters, including members of antifa and Black Lives Matter, blocking an intersection and attempting to direct traffic at while officers on motorcycle watched from a block away.



At one point, the activists chased down 74-year-old Kent Houser after he made a right turn against their wishes, pounding on his silver Lexus and breaking a window. The car sustained thousands of dollars in damage, he told the Oregonian.

Even so, Mr. Wheeler insisted that “motorists should feel completely safe coming into downtown Portland.”

Demonstrators did not obtain a permit before holding the Oct. 6 march...

The mayor has been accused of taking a kid-gloved approach to the protests that routinely roil the liberal enclave, such as the summer occupation of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement building, which saw Portland police refuse to assist the immigration-enforcement officers unless they were in physical danger."

Empty words? Not really... your critique is that he stood by the decision of his police chief and that somehow is supposed to prove what exactly?? You said the Mayors never spoke out against the violence. I showed otherwise.

Police chiefs don't set policy, they follow it. That the mayor shifted teh blame for his policies onto his police chief is him being a democrat, nothing more.


The police stood by while the rioters rioted. and people were assaulted.


That the mayor was too much of a democrat to admit that he ordered that, is to be expected.

My bad I must have missed the policy or order that the mayor gave to the police chief. Can you post a link, I can’t find info on that .

Even dem mayors are smart enough to LIE about that. But the results are clear. THe cops stand down while antifa and/or blm riot though the streets.

Are you saying you don’t have a link or anything showing that this was a policy or order from the Mayor? So did you just lie about it?

I'm saying that ted wheeler has been on the side of the mob, for the last several years. THe few empty words he says to the contrary of his actions are just put out there for the really stupid to swallow.


He is one example of that.

says the person who swallows lies from the far right every day of his/her/its life.....

"... lies from the far right....."

There is no Far Right in this country.....only a Far Left.


I'll use you to prove it.


As documented in a number of threads, there is no Far Right in America, but certainly is a Far Left, radicals who have taken over one of the parties….the Democrats. A reminder: To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center. American traditions, values, and history represent that center. The Right, represented by the Republican Party, has no radial positions not consistent with America’s heritage…..but the Democrats sure do!

Subservient to the master they serve, that fire and brimstone guy, the Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Talk about “Far”!!!!

If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



When you can't find any 'far' positions on the right, you will have proved your acceptance of Democrat propaganda.

They don’t get much dumber that politicalchic .... it’s like basic knowledge and logic are completely out the window.

Said the man asking for proof about the last 5 years off riots.

Haha. Can you show where I asked for proof about 5 years of riots?

Can you do anything other than dodge and weave?


For 5 years we have had riots in teh streets from the far left, with the support, of varying degrees from the mainstream left,

and that is just sort of accepted, while you people are pretending to be absolutely outraged over the ONE riot from the right.

Im not dodging a thing, just calling out your BS. You say these things but when pressed fail to back them up. Besides maybe the cherrypicked outcast whom you haven’t shown, I haven’t seen anybody in leadership, no Mayors or congressmen or media supporting the riots. You make these claims and then can’t back them up. It’s a nice distraction to avoid talking about Trump and the Jan 6 riot which is the actual topic of the thread... but you’re not fooling anybody.

I'm not trying to distract from anything. I've been happy to discuss Trump and the 1/6 riot.

YOu are the one that wants to invent reasons to ignore the hundreds from your side over the last 5 years.

What do you think I’m ignoring?! I’m just pointing out the dishonest things you’ve been claiming. The fact you can’t show proof to back up the things I’ve questioned you about shows that.

You've been playing word games to deflect, minimize, or confuse the part of the issue that is the hundreds of riots from YOUR side of the partisan divide.


YOu want to just talk shit about my side, and the ONE riot we have to our "credit", to smear us and marginalize us, and thus justify your next round of escalation,

while ignoring the context of your side's violence.

I don’t really have a side. I dislike dem policies but respect their goals when it comes to social issues. I think Republicans are horrible at messaging, most are an embarrassment, but I support more of their fiscal policies. I think both parties are corrupt. But my personal views don’t matter to this debate, so let’s get back to it shall we??

I see you being dishonest and I’m calling out yoir dishonesty it’s as simple as that. We were talking about the capital riot and now we are talking about the summer riots. That’s because of you. That’s the distraction. But I’m fine going there, the summer riots were wrong and bad. But stop lying about dem support that doesn’t exist

Talking about a riot in isolation, ignoring the fact that it took place during a period of civil unrest makes it impossible to have any real insight into the riot or the forces behind it or what it meant.

Who is ignoring the fact it happened during a time of civil unrest?! I’d be the first to admit that we are living in a extremely polarized and tense time politically. Another great gift from Mr Trump

The vast majority of the riots came from the Left. ONly one of them were from teh right.


Seems this period of political unrest is a gift from the Left.


It is really worth noting that hte one righty riot you want to talk about, came at the END of Trump's administration.

Well the riots on the left were centered around millions of people protesting for racial equality. That doesn’t excuse those who acted out but that’s what it was. There were many riots during the civil rights movement in the 60s and I bet the majority of Americans would agree that cause was righteous. The Jan 6 riot was an attempt to overthrow our government in order to stop what they were lied to and told was a stolen election. They also wanted to kill our VP because trump lied and said he had the ability to stop the certification. These are two very very very different things. I don’t understand why people like you keep trying to compare them as similar situations.

You lying asshole.....the protest on Jan. 6 wasn't about over throwing the government....that is why no one in the Capitol building during the protest had a gun......

again...

600 million guns in America....

over 19.4 million Americans with the legal ability to carry guns for self defense....

Over 100,000 Trump supporters...

About 200 people entered the capitol building...

They had Zero guns.........

You do not over throw a government without guns...you mindless moron.......

The Trump supporters wandered the halls and took selfies......antifa and blm plants in the crowd vandalized the place and fought with some of the police......

Hahahhahahaha. Are you shitting me?! The whole point of the riot was to stop the steal and they tried to do so by force. That is literally overthrowing our system of government... the definition of an insurrection. Wake up

How is it overthrowing the system when you yourself admitted it was a Steal.

They thought it was a steal because they were lied to. It obviously was not stolen. Our elections systems have too many safeguards working independently of each other for that to happen

No system is any better than the people making it up. And dems have shown that they will lie and cheat and abuse ANY power they are given.

Yup, so have the Republicans. Power corrupts

FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But you dems have abused every single iota of power you have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.

I’m not a democrat

lol. Sure. Ok then.

FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But the dems have abused every single iota of power they have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.

Yeah I agree, the Dems need a respectable check on their power because they don’t have very good ideas and are riddled with corruption. But the Reps have been at a whole different level as of late and thanks to Trump their party is blown to pieces. Now they don’t even have a platform to run on

Trump was fine. Your pretense otherwise is not rational.

I disagree, he relentlessly trolled causing crippling partisan division and he constantly lied to the American people. The guy is a disgrace and now he has half the Republican Party standing behind his lies supporting an insurrection and at each others throats. It’s pathetic and sad for our country. The Dems sure are grateful

You say "insurrection" to try to make that ONE riot, as bad as 5 years of riots from your side.


Your side is the side that is tearing this nation apart. That you whine like this over ONE small riot of 200 people, after hundred of riots from your side, is you being weak and pathetic.

The reason why the Jan 6 insurrection was so much worse than the summer riots is because jan 6 was based on lies from the most powerful man in the world who we gave that power to. A betrayal of our public trust that resulted in an attempt to over through our government. The summer riots have no excuse but they were criminals taking advantage of a huge movement of national outrage over racial equality. I’m sorry that you can’t see the difference.

Bullshit. The "Reason" you are pretending that the 1/6 riot is so much worse than the HUNDREDS of riots before it, is because it is the ONLY one that you can blame on the other side.


YOU people are the ones that have been using violence as a political tool.


And now you want to dodge ownership of your actions.


That is the act of a coward.

Why can’t you post the definition of insurrection so we can settle this?

Because we both know that delaying a formality by a few hours, is not it.


The "Reason" you are pretending that the 1/6 riot is so much worse than the HUNDREDS of riots before it, is because it is the ONLY one that you can blame on the other side.

Why can’t you post the definition of insurrection?

Didn't say I couldn't. I said I didn't need to, because we both know that it is not what happened on 1/6.


Are you on some kind of medication that causes confusion?

You do need to if you want to back up your idiotic claim. Post the definition and let’s compare to what happened. We both know you aren’t posting it because you know it will prove you wrong.

Ive asked dozens and I haven’t found 1 trumper who will post a definition. It’s because the definition literally spells out exactly what happened on Jan 6

 

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FBI Director Christopher Wray is a piece of shit, and always has been ...

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If my country had a fraudulent election to the scale of November 2020, and the Nation's Intel agencyy refused to investigate, and the media ignored it, and people who peacefull protested were censored and attacked....
I'd see it as a coup and would probably be attacking my Parliament as well

Exactly, it was foreseeable, which makes Trump and his puppets lies about the election fraud so much worse. It wasn't political hyperbole, it was incitement to violence which is what it lead to. He made false claims many of which can be directly disproven and the others he was never able to verify, yet he keeps saying them, his idiot followers believe them, and the nutters are acting on them.

I did not see it coming. Generally conservatives are pretty mild. I expected the demonstration to just stand there and make some noise and be forgotten.


I was surprised when the riot broke out.

I wasn't... I literally called my family while Trump was giving his speech and told them to tune in because shit was about to go down. I told them Trump just threw Pence under the bus and there is a mob of angry people that are about to go mess things up. It was clear and obvious what Trump was doing and what was about to happen. If you couldn't see that then you have blinders on. But you support Trump so I guess the blinders are a given

My expectation of a peaceful demonstration was based on decades of observation of demonstration conservatives who, even when pissed off, almost always obeyed the law and demonstrated peacefully and then went home.


What was yours based on?

Mine was based on common sense. You can’t use historical precedent when you have a president that breaks all the norms. My observations were correct. I called my family before the riot to tell them there was about to be a riot. How did I know?! Because it was obvious. The real question you should be asking yourself is why you were surprised and why you couldn’t see it coming when it was so easy to see what Trump was doing.

Trump did not break all the norms.

His style was odd. He was disagreeable and vulgar. But his policies and actions were measured and restrained.

So, you were right, but for the wrong reasons. That happens. Like the way I was initially attracted to my wife because of her, well, never mind.

I was right for the right reasons. Because I can see the effects that a con man has on his followers. The question is why couldn’t you see it coming?

I asked what you based your conclusion on, and the reasons you gave were not true.


THus, you were right for the wrong reasons.


Hey, better than being wrong for the right reasons.


YOur spin is dismissed.

Well this is coming from somebody who was wrong and blindsided so perhaps what you think im wrong about isn’t really wrong.

No one is prefect. Being wrong once does not mean that my judgement is valueless.

YOur stated reasons were not true. Thus you were right for the wrong reasons.

My stated reasons weren’t true yet I was right. So I must have seen something that you didn’t see. Your Perceived reality was wrong and left you blindsided. That should tell you something

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.


If I found that I was consistently wrong, then your point that I should reexamine my perceptions would be correct.


BUt so far, this was a one off.

What do you think I lied about. What I observed was obvious and predictable... yet it surprised you. Gee, let’s think about that for a sec

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

You admitted that you were surprised at the riot. I said it was obvious and easy to see coming. I’m not lying about that, If you think I’m lying then why don’t you tell me what really happened. What am I getting wrong?

I fully explained what you were lying about. YOur pretense of confusion is you lying again.

Your need to avoid being honest about what I say, how can that not be a red flag for you?

Wow, that was a lot of words for a non answer. What a waste of space. Want to try again?

Nope. Your tactic of pretending to misunderstand a clear statement to then ask stupid questions, is an odd game, but one I am willing to play.


Pretend to be too retarded to understand a simple sentence again, and I will call you on your lying again.


I'm not sure of the point, but I am sure that I am kidding your ass.

Where in that statement was a clear sentence stating what the hell you’re talking about?! Nowhere!!! If you’ve been so clear then just copy and paste it. I honestly have no clue what you’re talking about. I think you got schooled and are just trying to confuse things to distract from the fact you lack a solid argument.

I don't believe that you are so retarded that you did not understand it initially.

I am willing to consider that you might be stupid enough to have forgotten since it has been several posts so here it is again.



People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

Oh ok, well I agree that people can be correct through luck. I don’t think that’s the case here, I just think I was more perceptive because what Trump was doing had a painfully obvious effect which I could see coming from a mile away.... you on the other hand were cause blindsided so you obviously didn’t see it.

now you are able to look at things in hindsight. If you think what I’ve said was wrong then state why... see this is how normal debate works. It shouldn’t take pages and me explaining it like to a third grader.

I already explained my reasoning. DECADES of watching conservatives protest, even angry, but obeying the law and being peaceful.

THe violence and destruction has almost solely been on the left..


So, this change up was a surprise.

IN HINDSIGHT. it is less surprising considering the normalization of violence by five years of riots by antifa and blm.

Ok but after the surprise wore off what did you see what caused the change?

Sure. THe years of political violence from your side that made it the new norm.

Haha, this is the best one yet. So since the left is violent it inspired the right to be violent? You really want to go with that? Has the lefts push for big government also inspired the right to support big government? Your arguments are getting dumber and dumber.

Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point. I made it very clear. YOu don't need to restate it using your own words. (and thus adding your own spin, dishonestly).


ADDRESS MY POINT OR DON'T POST.

Your point is absolute bullshit. There has been violence from the right wing forever just as there has been from the left wing. At trump rallies in 2016 he had supporter punching protesters in the face, he encouraged it......

there I directly addressed your point. Now you address mine. Don’t distract

Punching a HECKLER, is a pretty minor example to lead off with, considering the 5 years of riots from your side. Charlettosville was the FAR right, not conservatives.


Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point.

Haha, ok so my examples just don’t count. I could give more but I guess those wouldn’t count either. Why do I bother. You’re hopeless.

I can play that game though... the summer riots were just the FAR Left not liberals. So they don’t count either. How’s that for ya?

not bad. The actual rioters, imo, were far left.


The support they got from elected dem officials, that were not denounced by the dem party as a whole, though that is more troubling.

Ahhh right, you’re probably stuck in the right wing media bubble. Here is the leader of the Dems condemning violence... Fact check: Joe Biden has condemned protest-related violence all summer

Interesting. I clearly was discussing not the violence, but the support of the violence by dem mayors.

DId Biden ever denounce the mayors that ordered the cops to stand down so that rioters could riot, loot and kill?

Which mayor? Can you give me a name?

Ted Wheeler is the most obvious.

This guy? Do you wanna try somebody else?

Portland Mayor Wheeler condemns violence during riot downtown

PORTLAND, Ore. – Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler denounced the violence during an overnight riot downtown where demonstrators pulled down statues and broke the windows of the Oregon Historical Society. The mayor was joined by Police Chief Chuck Lovell, Oregon Representative Tawna Sanchez, and Oregon...

katu.com

lol, you really do love those empty words, don't you?

Ted Wheeler, Portland mayor, stands by decision to allow Antifa to block traffic

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.

www.washingtontimes.com

By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Sunday, October 14, 2018


"Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.
“I was appalled by what I saw in the video, but I support the Portland Police Bureau’s decision not to intervene,” he said at a press conference. “This whole incident will be investigated.”
The video posted by journalist Andy C. Ngo showed protesters, including members of antifa and Black Lives Matter, blocking an intersection and attempting to direct traffic at while officers on motorcycle watched from a block away.



At one point, the activists chased down 74-year-old Kent Houser after he made a right turn against their wishes, pounding on his silver Lexus and breaking a window. The car sustained thousands of dollars in damage, he told the Oregonian.

Even so, Mr. Wheeler insisted that “motorists should feel completely safe coming into downtown Portland.”

Demonstrators did not obtain a permit before holding the Oct. 6 march...

The mayor has been accused of taking a kid-gloved approach to the protests that routinely roil the liberal enclave, such as the summer occupation of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement building, which saw Portland police refuse to assist the immigration-enforcement officers unless they were in physical danger."

Empty words? Not really... your critique is that he stood by the decision of his police chief and that somehow is supposed to prove what exactly?? You said the Mayors never spoke out against the violence. I showed otherwise.

Police chiefs don't set policy, they follow it. That the mayor shifted teh blame for his policies onto his police chief is him being a democrat, nothing more.


The police stood by while the rioters rioted. and people were assaulted.


That the mayor was too much of a democrat to admit that he ordered that, is to be expected.

My bad I must have missed the policy or order that the mayor gave to the police chief. Can you post a link, I can’t find info on that .

Even dem mayors are smart enough to LIE about that. But the results are clear. THe cops stand down while antifa and/or blm riot though the streets.

Are you saying you don’t have a link or anything showing that this was a policy or order from the Mayor? So did you just lie about it?

I'm saying that ted wheeler has been on the side of the mob, for the last several years. THe few empty words he says to the contrary of his actions are just put out there for the really stupid to swallow.


He is one example of that.

says the person who swallows lies from the far right every day of his/her/its life.....

"... lies from the far right....."

There is no Far Right in this country.....only a Far Left.


I'll use you to prove it.


As documented in a number of threads, there is no Far Right in America, but certainly is a Far Left, radicals who have taken over one of the parties….the Democrats. A reminder: To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center. American traditions, values, and history represent that center. The Right, represented by the Republican Party, has no radial positions not consistent with America’s heritage…..but the Democrats sure do!

Subservient to the master they serve, that fire and brimstone guy, the Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Talk about “Far”!!!!

If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



When you can't find any 'far' positions on the right, you will have proved your acceptance of Democrat propaganda.

They don’t get much dumber that politicalchic .... it’s like basic knowledge and logic are completely out the window.

Said the man asking for proof about the last 5 years off riots.

Haha. Can you show where I asked for proof about 5 years of riots?

Can you do anything other than dodge and weave?


For 5 years we have had riots in teh streets from the far left, with the support, of varying degrees from the mainstream left,

and that is just sort of accepted, while you people are pretending to be absolutely outraged over the ONE riot from the right.

Im not dodging a thing, just calling out your BS. You say these things but when pressed fail to back them up. Besides maybe the cherrypicked outcast whom you haven’t shown, I haven’t seen anybody in leadership, no Mayors or congressmen or media supporting the riots. You make these claims and then can’t back them up. It’s a nice distraction to avoid talking about Trump and the Jan 6 riot which is the actual topic of the thread... but you’re not fooling anybody.

I'm not trying to distract from anything. I've been happy to discuss Trump and the 1/6 riot.

YOu are the one that wants to invent reasons to ignore the hundreds from your side over the last 5 years.

What do you think I’m ignoring?! I’m just pointing out the dishonest things you’ve been claiming. The fact you can’t show proof to back up the things I’ve questioned you about shows that.

You've been playing word games to deflect, minimize, or confuse the part of the issue that is the hundreds of riots from YOUR side of the partisan divide.


YOu want to just talk shit about my side, and the ONE riot we have to our "credit", to smear us and marginalize us, and thus justify your next round of escalation,

while ignoring the context of your side's violence.

I don’t really have a side. I dislike dem policies but respect their goals when it comes to social issues. I think Republicans are horrible at messaging, most are an embarrassment, but I support more of their fiscal policies. I think both parties are corrupt. But my personal views don’t matter to this debate, so let’s get back to it shall we??

I see you being dishonest and I’m calling out yoir dishonesty it’s as simple as that. We were talking about the capital riot and now we are talking about the summer riots. That’s because of you. That’s the distraction. But I’m fine going there, the summer riots were wrong and bad. But stop lying about dem support that doesn’t exist

Talking about a riot in isolation, ignoring the fact that it took place during a period of civil unrest makes it impossible to have any real insight into the riot or the forces behind it or what it meant.

Who is ignoring the fact it happened during a time of civil unrest?! I’d be the first to admit that we are living in a extremely polarized and tense time politically. Another great gift from Mr Trump

The vast majority of the riots came from the Left. ONly one of them were from teh right.


Seems this period of political unrest is a gift from the Left.


It is really worth noting that hte one righty riot you want to talk about, came at the END of Trump's administration.

Well the riots on the left were centered around millions of people protesting for racial equality. That doesn’t excuse those who acted out but that’s what it was. There were many riots during the civil rights movement in the 60s and I bet the majority of Americans would agree that cause was righteous. The Jan 6 riot was an attempt to overthrow our government in order to stop what they were lied to and told was a stolen election. They also wanted to kill our VP because trump lied and said he had the ability to stop the certification. These are two very very very different things. I don’t understand why people like you keep trying to compare them as similar situations.

You lying asshole.....the protest on Jan. 6 wasn't about over throwing the government....that is why no one in the Capitol building during the protest had a gun......

again...

600 million guns in America....

over 19.4 million Americans with the legal ability to carry guns for self defense....

Over 100,000 Trump supporters...

About 200 people entered the capitol building...

They had Zero guns.........

You do not over throw a government without guns...you mindless moron.......

The Trump supporters wandered the halls and took selfies......antifa and blm plants in the crowd vandalized the place and fought with some of the police......

Hahahhahahaha. Are you shitting me?! The whole point of the riot was to stop the steal and they tried to do so by force. That is literally overthrowing our system of government... the definition of an insurrection. Wake up

How is it overthrowing the system when you yourself admitted it was a Steal.

They thought it was a steal because they were lied to. It obviously was not stolen. Our elections systems have too many safeguards working independently of each other for that to happen

No system is any better than the people making it up. And dems have shown that they will lie and cheat and abuse ANY power they are given.

Yup, so have the Republicans. Power corrupts

FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But you dems have abused every single iota of power you have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.

I’m not a democrat

lol. Sure. Ok then.

FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But the dems have abused every single iota of power they have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.

Yeah I agree, the Dems need a respectable check on their power because they don’t have very good ideas and are riddled with corruption. But the Reps have been at a whole different level as of late and thanks to Trump their party is blown to pieces. Now they don’t even have a platform to run on

Trump was fine. Your pretense otherwise is not rational.

I disagree, he relentlessly trolled causing crippling partisan division and he constantly lied to the American people. The guy is a disgrace and now he has half the Republican Party standing behind his lies supporting an insurrection and at each others throats. It’s pathetic and sad for our country. The Dems sure are grateful

You say "insurrection" to try to make that ONE riot, as bad as 5 years of riots from your side.


Your side is the side that is tearing this nation apart. That you whine like this over ONE small riot of 200 people, after hundred of riots from your side, is you being weak and pathetic.

The reason why the Jan 6 insurrection was so much worse than the summer riots is because jan 6 was based on lies from the most powerful man in the world who we gave that power to. A betrayal of our public trust that resulted in an attempt to over through our government. The summer riots have no excuse but they were criminals taking advantage of a huge movement of national outrage over racial equality. I’m sorry that you can’t see the difference.

Bullshit. The "Reason" you are pretending that the 1/6 riot is so much worse than the HUNDREDS of riots before it, is because it is the ONLY one that you can blame on the other side.


YOU people are the ones that have been using violence as a political tool.


And now you want to dodge ownership of your actions.


That is the act of a coward.

Of course it was much worse, you flaming imbecile. It was an attack on our government and an attempt to illegally and unconstitutionally reverse an election to hand the presidency to the candidate who lost the election in a landslide. It was so much worse that the seditious traitors who invaded the Capitol, seeking to murder lawmakers, are being hunted down nationally from wherever they're hiding and will be brought to justice. And as bad as it was, it could have been worse. Imagine if Trump's mob gotten their grimey hands on lawmakers.

One riot is not worse that 5 years of riots. You are cowardly trying to dodge ownership of your side's brownshirt violence.

 

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If my country had a fraudulent election to the scale of November 2020, and the Nation's Intel agencyy refused to investigate, and the media ignored it, and people who peacefull protested were censored and attacked....
I'd see it as a coup and would probably be attacking my Parliament as well

Exactly, it was foreseeable, which makes Trump and his puppets lies about the election fraud so much worse. It wasn't political hyperbole, it was incitement to violence which is what it lead to. He made false claims many of which can be directly disproven and the others he was never able to verify, yet he keeps saying them, his idiot followers believe them, and the nutters are acting on them.

I did not see it coming. Generally conservatives are pretty mild. I expected the demonstration to just stand there and make some noise and be forgotten.


I was surprised when the riot broke out.

I wasn't... I literally called my family while Trump was giving his speech and told them to tune in because shit was about to go down. I told them Trump just threw Pence under the bus and there is a mob of angry people that are about to go mess things up. It was clear and obvious what Trump was doing and what was about to happen. If you couldn't see that then you have blinders on. But you support Trump so I guess the blinders are a given

My expectation of a peaceful demonstration was based on decades of observation of demonstration conservatives who, even when pissed off, almost always obeyed the law and demonstrated peacefully and then went home.


What was yours based on?

Mine was based on common sense. You can’t use historical precedent when you have a president that breaks all the norms. My observations were correct. I called my family before the riot to tell them there was about to be a riot. How did I know?! Because it was obvious. The real question you should be asking yourself is why you were surprised and why you couldn’t see it coming when it was so easy to see what Trump was doing.

Trump did not break all the norms.

His style was odd. He was disagreeable and vulgar. But his policies and actions were measured and restrained.

So, you were right, but for the wrong reasons. That happens. Like the way I was initially attracted to my wife because of her, well, never mind.

I was right for the right reasons. Because I can see the effects that a con man has on his followers. The question is why couldn’t you see it coming?

I asked what you based your conclusion on, and the reasons you gave were not true.


THus, you were right for the wrong reasons.


Hey, better than being wrong for the right reasons.


YOur spin is dismissed.

Well this is coming from somebody who was wrong and blindsided so perhaps what you think im wrong about isn’t really wrong.

No one is prefect. Being wrong once does not mean that my judgement is valueless.

YOur stated reasons were not true. Thus you were right for the wrong reasons.

My stated reasons weren’t true yet I was right. So I must have seen something that you didn’t see. Your Perceived reality was wrong and left you blindsided. That should tell you something

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.


If I found that I was consistently wrong, then your point that I should reexamine my perceptions would be correct.


BUt so far, this was a one off.

What do you think I lied about. What I observed was obvious and predictable... yet it surprised you. Gee, let’s think about that for a sec

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

You admitted that you were surprised at the riot. I said it was obvious and easy to see coming. I’m not lying about that, If you think I’m lying then why don’t you tell me what really happened. What am I getting wrong?

I fully explained what you were lying about. YOur pretense of confusion is you lying again.

Your need to avoid being honest about what I say, how can that not be a red flag for you?

Wow, that was a lot of words for a non answer. What a waste of space. Want to try again?

Nope. Your tactic of pretending to misunderstand a clear statement to then ask stupid questions, is an odd game, but one I am willing to play.


Pretend to be too retarded to understand a simple sentence again, and I will call you on your lying again.


I'm not sure of the point, but I am sure that I am kidding your ass.

Where in that statement was a clear sentence stating what the hell you’re talking about?! Nowhere!!! If you’ve been so clear then just copy and paste it. I honestly have no clue what you’re talking about. I think you got schooled and are just trying to confuse things to distract from the fact you lack a solid argument.

I don't believe that you are so retarded that you did not understand it initially.

I am willing to consider that you might be stupid enough to have forgotten since it has been several posts so here it is again.



People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

Oh ok, well I agree that people can be correct through luck. I don’t think that’s the case here, I just think I was more perceptive because what Trump was doing had a painfully obvious effect which I could see coming from a mile away.... you on the other hand were cause blindsided so you obviously didn’t see it.

now you are able to look at things in hindsight. If you think what I’ve said was wrong then state why... see this is how normal debate works. It shouldn’t take pages and me explaining it like to a third grader.

I already explained my reasoning. DECADES of watching conservatives protest, even angry, but obeying the law and being peaceful.

THe violence and destruction has almost solely been on the left..


So, this change up was a surprise.

IN HINDSIGHT. it is less surprising considering the normalization of violence by five years of riots by antifa and blm.

Ok but after the surprise wore off what did you see what caused the change?

Sure. THe years of political violence from your side that made it the new norm.

Haha, this is the best one yet. So since the left is violent it inspired the right to be violent? You really want to go with that? Has the lefts push for big government also inspired the right to support big government? Your arguments are getting dumber and dumber.

Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point. I made it very clear. YOu don't need to restate it using your own words. (and thus adding your own spin, dishonestly).


ADDRESS MY POINT OR DON'T POST.

Your point is absolute bullshit. There has been violence from the right wing forever just as there has been from the left wing. At trump rallies in 2016 he had supporter punching protesters in the face, he encouraged it......

there I directly addressed your point. Now you address mine. Don’t distract

Punching a HECKLER, is a pretty minor example to lead off with, considering the 5 years of riots from your side. Charlettosville was the FAR right, not conservatives.


Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point.

Haha, ok so my examples just don’t count. I could give more but I guess those wouldn’t count either. Why do I bother. You’re hopeless.

I can play that game though... the summer riots were just the FAR Left not liberals. So they don’t count either. How’s that for ya?

not bad. The actual rioters, imo, were far left.


The support they got from elected dem officials, that were not denounced by the dem party as a whole, though that is more troubling.

Ahhh right, you’re probably stuck in the right wing media bubble. Here is the leader of the Dems condemning violence... Fact check: Joe Biden has condemned protest-related violence all summer

Interesting. I clearly was discussing not the violence, but the support of the violence by dem mayors.

DId Biden ever denounce the mayors that ordered the cops to stand down so that rioters could riot, loot and kill?

Which mayor? Can you give me a name?

Ted Wheeler is the most obvious.

This guy? Do you wanna try somebody else?

Portland Mayor Wheeler condemns violence during riot downtown

PORTLAND, Ore. – Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler denounced the violence during an overnight riot downtown where demonstrators pulled down statues and broke the windows of the Oregon Historical Society. The mayor was joined by Police Chief Chuck Lovell, Oregon Representative Tawna Sanchez, and Oregon...

katu.com

lol, you really do love those empty words, don't you?

Ted Wheeler, Portland mayor, stands by decision to allow Antifa to block traffic

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.

www.washingtontimes.com

By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Sunday, October 14, 2018


"Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.
“I was appalled by what I saw in the video, but I support the Portland Police Bureau’s decision not to intervene,” he said at a press conference. “This whole incident will be investigated.”
The video posted by journalist Andy C. Ngo showed protesters, including members of antifa and Black Lives Matter, blocking an intersection and attempting to direct traffic at while officers on motorcycle watched from a block away.



At one point, the activists chased down 74-year-old Kent Houser after he made a right turn against their wishes, pounding on his silver Lexus and breaking a window. The car sustained thousands of dollars in damage, he told the Oregonian.

Even so, Mr. Wheeler insisted that “motorists should feel completely safe coming into downtown Portland.”

Demonstrators did not obtain a permit before holding the Oct. 6 march...

The mayor has been accused of taking a kid-gloved approach to the protests that routinely roil the liberal enclave, such as the summer occupation of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement building, which saw Portland police refuse to assist the immigration-enforcement officers unless they were in physical danger."

Empty words? Not really... your critique is that he stood by the decision of his police chief and that somehow is supposed to prove what exactly?? You said the Mayors never spoke out against the violence. I showed otherwise.

Police chiefs don't set policy, they follow it. That the mayor shifted teh blame for his policies onto his police chief is him being a democrat, nothing more.


The police stood by while the rioters rioted. and people were assaulted.


That the mayor was too much of a democrat to admit that he ordered that, is to be expected.

My bad I must have missed the policy or order that the mayor gave to the police chief. Can you post a link, I can’t find info on that .

Even dem mayors are smart enough to LIE about that. But the results are clear. THe cops stand down while antifa and/or blm riot though the streets.

Are you saying you don’t have a link or anything showing that this was a policy or order from the Mayor? So did you just lie about it?

I'm saying that ted wheeler has been on the side of the mob, for the last several years. THe few empty words he says to the contrary of his actions are just put out there for the really stupid to swallow.


He is one example of that.

says the person who swallows lies from the far right every day of his/her/its life.....

"... lies from the far right....."

There is no Far Right in this country.....only a Far Left.


I'll use you to prove it.


As documented in a number of threads, there is no Far Right in America, but certainly is a Far Left, radicals who have taken over one of the parties….the Democrats. A reminder: To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center. American traditions, values, and history represent that center. The Right, represented by the Republican Party, has no radial positions not consistent with America’s heritage…..but the Democrats sure do!

Subservient to the master they serve, that fire and brimstone guy, the Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Talk about “Far”!!!!

If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



When you can't find any 'far' positions on the right, you will have proved your acceptance of Democrat propaganda.

They don’t get much dumber that politicalchic .... it’s like basic knowledge and logic are completely out the window.

Said the man asking for proof about the last 5 years off riots.

Haha. Can you show where I asked for proof about 5 years of riots?

Can you do anything other than dodge and weave?


For 5 years we have had riots in teh streets from the far left, with the support, of varying degrees from the mainstream left,

and that is just sort of accepted, while you people are pretending to be absolutely outraged over the ONE riot from the right.

Im not dodging a thing, just calling out your BS. You say these things but when pressed fail to back them up. Besides maybe the cherrypicked outcast whom you haven’t shown, I haven’t seen anybody in leadership, no Mayors or congressmen or media supporting the riots. You make these claims and then can’t back them up. It’s a nice distraction to avoid talking about Trump and the Jan 6 riot which is the actual topic of the thread... but you’re not fooling anybody.

I'm not trying to distract from anything. I've been happy to discuss Trump and the 1/6 riot.

YOu are the one that wants to invent reasons to ignore the hundreds from your side over the last 5 years.

What do you think I’m ignoring?! I’m just pointing out the dishonest things you’ve been claiming. The fact you can’t show proof to back up the things I’ve questioned you about shows that.

You've been playing word games to deflect, minimize, or confuse the part of the issue that is the hundreds of riots from YOUR side of the partisan divide.


YOu want to just talk shit about my side, and the ONE riot we have to our "credit", to smear us and marginalize us, and thus justify your next round of escalation,

while ignoring the context of your side's violence.

I don’t really have a side. I dislike dem policies but respect their goals when it comes to social issues. I think Republicans are horrible at messaging, most are an embarrassment, but I support more of their fiscal policies. I think both parties are corrupt. But my personal views don’t matter to this debate, so let’s get back to it shall we??

I see you being dishonest and I’m calling out yoir dishonesty it’s as simple as that. We were talking about the capital riot and now we are talking about the summer riots. That’s because of you. That’s the distraction. But I’m fine going there, the summer riots were wrong and bad. But stop lying about dem support that doesn’t exist

Talking about a riot in isolation, ignoring the fact that it took place during a period of civil unrest makes it impossible to have any real insight into the riot or the forces behind it or what it meant.

Who is ignoring the fact it happened during a time of civil unrest?! I’d be the first to admit that we are living in a extremely polarized and tense time politically. Another great gift from Mr Trump

The vast majority of the riots came from the Left. ONly one of them were from teh right.


Seems this period of political unrest is a gift from the Left.


It is really worth noting that hte one righty riot you want to talk about, came at the END of Trump's administration.

Well the riots on the left were centered around millions of people protesting for racial equality. That doesn’t excuse those who acted out but that’s what it was. There were many riots during the civil rights movement in the 60s and I bet the majority of Americans would agree that cause was righteous. The Jan 6 riot was an attempt to overthrow our government in order to stop what they were lied to and told was a stolen election. They also wanted to kill our VP because trump lied and said he had the ability to stop the certification. These are two very very very different things. I don’t understand why people like you keep trying to compare them as similar situations.

You lying asshole.....the protest on Jan. 6 wasn't about over throwing the government....that is why no one in the Capitol building during the protest had a gun......

again...

600 million guns in America....

over 19.4 million Americans with the legal ability to carry guns for self defense....

Over 100,000 Trump supporters...

About 200 people entered the capitol building...

They had Zero guns.........

You do not over throw a government without guns...you mindless moron.......

The Trump supporters wandered the halls and took selfies......antifa and blm plants in the crowd vandalized the place and fought with some of the police......

Hahahhahahaha. Are you shitting me?! The whole point of the riot was to stop the steal and they tried to do so by force. That is literally overthrowing our system of government... the definition of an insurrection. Wake up

How is it overthrowing the system when you yourself admitted it was a Steal.

They thought it was a steal because they were lied to. It obviously was not stolen. Our elections systems have too many safeguards working independently of each other for that to happen

No system is any better than the people making it up. And dems have shown that they will lie and cheat and abuse ANY power they are given.

Yup, so have the Republicans. Power corrupts

FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But you dems have abused every single iota of power you have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.

I’m not a democrat

lol. Sure. Ok then.

FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But the dems have abused every single iota of power they have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.

Yeah I agree, the Dems need a respectable check on their power because they don’t have very good ideas and are riddled with corruption. But the Reps have been at a whole different level as of late and thanks to Trump their party is blown to pieces. Now they don’t even have a platform to run on

Trump was fine. Your pretense otherwise is not rational.

I disagree, he relentlessly trolled causing crippling partisan division and he constantly lied to the American people. The guy is a disgrace and now he has half the Republican Party standing behind his lies supporting an insurrection and at each others throats. It’s pathetic and sad for our country. The Dems sure are grateful

You say "insurrection" to try to make that ONE riot, as bad as 5 years of riots from your side.


Your side is the side that is tearing this nation apart. That you whine like this over ONE small riot of 200 people, after hundred of riots from your side, is you being weak and pathetic.

The reason why the Jan 6 insurrection was so much worse than the summer riots is because jan 6 was based on lies from the most powerful man in the world who we gave that power to. A betrayal of our public trust that resulted in an attempt to over through our government. The summer riots have no excuse but they were criminals taking advantage of a huge movement of national outrage over racial equality. I’m sorry that you can’t see the difference.

Bullshit. The "Reason" you are pretending that the 1/6 riot is so much worse than the HUNDREDS of riots before it, is because it is the ONLY one that you can blame on the other side.


YOU people are the ones that have been using violence as a political tool.


And now you want to dodge ownership of your actions.


That is the act of a coward.

Why can’t you post the definition of insurrection so we can settle this?

Because we both know that delaying a formality by a few hours, is not it.


The "Reason" you are pretending that the 1/6 riot is so much worse than the HUNDREDS of riots before it, is because it is the ONLY one that you can blame on the other side.

Dumbfuck, their actions constitute insurrection, which is the "act of revolting against civil authority or an established government." It doesn't cease being insurrection because they failed to "stop the steal," which was their stated goal.

5 years of riots is worse than 5 hours of rioting.


Your hysterical claims otherwise, is just you being hysterical and cowardly.

 

[Faun]

If my country had a fraudulent election to the scale of November 2020, and the Nation's Intel agencyy refused to investigate, and the media ignored it, and people who peacefull protested were censored and attacked....
I'd see it as a coup and would probably be attacking my Parliament as well

Exactly, it was foreseeable, which makes Trump and his puppets lies about the election fraud so much worse. It wasn't political hyperbole, it was incitement to violence which is what it lead to. He made false claims many of which can be directly disproven and the others he was never able to verify, yet he keeps saying them, his idiot followers believe them, and the nutters are acting on them.

I did not see it coming. Generally conservatives are pretty mild. I expected the demonstration to just stand there and make some noise and be forgotten.


I was surprised when the riot broke out.

I wasn't... I literally called my family while Trump was giving his speech and told them to tune in because shit was about to go down. I told them Trump just threw Pence under the bus and there is a mob of angry people that are about to go mess things up. It was clear and obvious what Trump was doing and what was about to happen. If you couldn't see that then you have blinders on. But you support Trump so I guess the blinders are a given

My expectation of a peaceful demonstration was based on decades of observation of demonstration conservatives who, even when pissed off, almost always obeyed the law and demonstrated peacefully and then went home.


What was yours based on?

Mine was based on common sense. You can’t use historical precedent when you have a president that breaks all the norms. My observations were correct. I called my family before the riot to tell them there was about to be a riot. How did I know?! Because it was obvious. The real question you should be asking yourself is why you were surprised and why you couldn’t see it coming when it was so easy to see what Trump was doing.

Trump did not break all the norms.

His style was odd. He was disagreeable and vulgar. But his policies and actions were measured and restrained.

So, you were right, but for the wrong reasons. That happens. Like the way I was initially attracted to my wife because of her, well, never mind.

I was right for the right reasons. Because I can see the effects that a con man has on his followers. The question is why couldn’t you see it coming?

I asked what you based your conclusion on, and the reasons you gave were not true.


THus, you were right for the wrong reasons.


Hey, better than being wrong for the right reasons.


YOur spin is dismissed.

Well this is coming from somebody who was wrong and blindsided so perhaps what you think im wrong about isn’t really wrong.

No one is prefect. Being wrong once does not mean that my judgement is valueless.

YOur stated reasons were not true. Thus you were right for the wrong reasons.

My stated reasons weren’t true yet I was right. So I must have seen something that you didn’t see. Your Perceived reality was wrong and left you blindsided. That should tell you something

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.


If I found that I was consistently wrong, then your point that I should reexamine my perceptions would be correct.


BUt so far, this was a one off.

What do you think I lied about. What I observed was obvious and predictable... yet it surprised you. Gee, let’s think about that for a sec

People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

You admitted that you were surprised at the riot. I said it was obvious and easy to see coming. I’m not lying about that, If you think I’m lying then why don’t you tell me what really happened. What am I getting wrong?

I fully explained what you were lying about. YOur pretense of confusion is you lying again.

Your need to avoid being honest about what I say, how can that not be a red flag for you?

Wow, that was a lot of words for a non answer. What a waste of space. Want to try again?

Nope. Your tactic of pretending to misunderstand a clear statement to then ask stupid questions, is an odd game, but one I am willing to play.


Pretend to be too retarded to understand a simple sentence again, and I will call you on your lying again.


I'm not sure of the point, but I am sure that I am kidding your ass.

Where in that statement was a clear sentence stating what the hell you’re talking about?! Nowhere!!! If you’ve been so clear then just copy and paste it. I honestly have no clue what you’re talking about. I think you got schooled and are just trying to confuse things to distract from the fact you lack a solid argument.

I don't believe that you are so retarded that you did not understand it initially.

I am willing to consider that you might be stupid enough to have forgotten since it has been several posts so here it is again.



People can be right though blind stupid luck. You have to know that. So your pretense that being right is proof of being more perceptive, is you lying.

Oh ok, well I agree that people can be correct through luck. I don’t think that’s the case here, I just think I was more perceptive because what Trump was doing had a painfully obvious effect which I could see coming from a mile away.... you on the other hand were cause blindsided so you obviously didn’t see it.

now you are able to look at things in hindsight. If you think what I’ve said was wrong then state why... see this is how normal debate works. It shouldn’t take pages and me explaining it like to a third grader.

I already explained my reasoning. DECADES of watching conservatives protest, even angry, but obeying the law and being peaceful.

THe violence and destruction has almost solely been on the left..


So, this change up was a surprise.

IN HINDSIGHT. it is less surprising considering the normalization of violence by five years of riots by antifa and blm.

Ok but after the surprise wore off what did you see what caused the change?

Sure. THe years of political violence from your side that made it the new norm.

Haha, this is the best one yet. So since the left is violent it inspired the right to be violent? You really want to go with that? Has the lefts push for big government also inspired the right to support big government? Your arguments are getting dumber and dumber.

Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point. I made it very clear. YOu don't need to restate it using your own words. (and thus adding your own spin, dishonestly).


ADDRESS MY POINT OR DON'T POST.

Your point is absolute bullshit. There has been violence from the right wing forever just as there has been from the left wing. At trump rallies in 2016 he had supporter punching protesters in the face, he encouraged it......

there I directly addressed your point. Now you address mine. Don’t distract

Punching a HECKLER, is a pretty minor example to lead off with, considering the 5 years of riots from your side. Charlettosville was the FAR right, not conservatives.


Violence begets violence. You put in out there into our society, and especially with it not being given the negative feedback it used to get, and it normalizes that behavior.


That is my point.

Haha, ok so my examples just don’t count. I could give more but I guess those wouldn’t count either. Why do I bother. You’re hopeless.

I can play that game though... the summer riots were just the FAR Left not liberals. So they don’t count either. How’s that for ya?

not bad. The actual rioters, imo, were far left.


The support they got from elected dem officials, that were not denounced by the dem party as a whole, though that is more troubling.

Ahhh right, you’re probably stuck in the right wing media bubble. Here is the leader of the Dems condemning violence... Fact check: Joe Biden has condemned protest-related violence all summer

Interesting. I clearly was discussing not the violence, but the support of the violence by dem mayors.

DId Biden ever denounce the mayors that ordered the cops to stand down so that rioters could riot, loot and kill?

Which mayor? Can you give me a name?

Ted Wheeler is the most obvious.

This guy? Do you wanna try somebody else?

Portland Mayor Wheeler condemns violence during riot downtown

PORTLAND, Ore. – Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler denounced the violence during an overnight riot downtown where demonstrators pulled down statues and broke the windows of the Oregon Historical Society. The mayor was joined by Police Chief Chuck Lovell, Oregon Representative Tawna Sanchez, and Oregon...

katu.com

lol, you really do love those empty words, don't you?

Ted Wheeler, Portland mayor, stands by decision to allow Antifa to block traffic

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.

www.washingtontimes.com

By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Sunday, October 14, 2018


"Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler came under fire over a viral video showing antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers, but he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.
“I was appalled by what I saw in the video, but I support the Portland Police Bureau’s decision not to intervene,” he said at a press conference. “This whole incident will be investigated.”
The video posted by journalist Andy C. Ngo showed protesters, including members of antifa and Black Lives Matter, blocking an intersection and attempting to direct traffic at while officers on motorcycle watched from a block away.



At one point, the activists chased down 74-year-old Kent Houser after he made a right turn against their wishes, pounding on his silver Lexus and breaking a window. The car sustained thousands of dollars in damage, he told the Oregonian.

Even so, Mr. Wheeler insisted that “motorists should feel completely safe coming into downtown Portland.”

Demonstrators did not obtain a permit before holding the Oct. 6 march...

The mayor has been accused of taking a kid-gloved approach to the protests that routinely roil the liberal enclave, such as the summer occupation of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement building, which saw Portland police refuse to assist the immigration-enforcement officers unless they were in physical danger."

Empty words? Not really... your critique is that he stood by the decision of his police chief and that somehow is supposed to prove what exactly?? You said the Mayors never spoke out against the violence. I showed otherwise.

Police chiefs don't set policy, they follow it. That the mayor shifted teh blame for his policies onto his police chief is him being a democrat, nothing more.


The police stood by while the rioters rioted. and people were assaulted.


That the mayor was too much of a democrat to admit that he ordered that, is to be expected.

My bad I must have missed the policy or order that the mayor gave to the police chief. Can you post a link, I can’t find info on that .

Even dem mayors are smart enough to LIE about that. But the results are clear. THe cops stand down while antifa and/or blm riot though the streets.

Are you saying you don’t have a link or anything showing that this was a policy or order from the Mayor? So did you just lie about it?

I'm saying that ted wheeler has been on the side of the mob, for the last several years. THe few empty words he says to the contrary of his actions are just put out there for the really stupid to swallow.


He is one example of that.

says the person who swallows lies from the far right every day of his/her/its life.....

"... lies from the far right....."

There is no Far Right in this country.....only a Far Left.


I'll use you to prove it.


As documented in a number of threads, there is no Far Right in America, but certainly is a Far Left, radicals who have taken over one of the parties….the Democrats. A reminder: To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center. American traditions, values, and history represent that center. The Right, represented by the Republican Party, has no radial positions not consistent with America’s heritage…..but the Democrats sure do!

Subservient to the master they serve, that fire and brimstone guy, the Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Talk about “Far”!!!!

If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



When you can't find any 'far' positions on the right, you will have proved your acceptance of Democrat propaganda.

They don’t get much dumber that politicalchic .... it’s like basic knowledge and logic are completely out the window.

Said the man asking for proof about the last 5 years off riots.

Haha. Can you show where I asked for proof about 5 years of riots?

Can you do anything other than dodge and weave?


For 5 years we have had riots in teh streets from the far left, with the support, of varying degrees from the mainstream left,

and that is just sort of accepted, while you people are pretending to be absolutely outraged over the ONE riot from the right.

Im not dodging a thing, just calling out your BS. You say these things but when pressed fail to back them up. Besides maybe the cherrypicked outcast whom you haven’t shown, I haven’t seen anybody in leadership, no Mayors or congressmen or media supporting the riots. You make these claims and then can’t back them up. It’s a nice distraction to avoid talking about Trump and the Jan 6 riot which is the actual topic of the thread... but you’re not fooling anybody.

I'm not trying to distract from anything. I've been happy to discuss Trump and the 1/6 riot.

YOu are the one that wants to invent reasons to ignore the hundreds from your side over the last 5 years.

What do you think I’m ignoring?! I’m just pointing out the dishonest things you’ve been claiming. The fact you can’t show proof to back up the things I’ve questioned you about shows that.

You've been playing word games to deflect, minimize, or confuse the part of the issue that is the hundreds of riots from YOUR side of the partisan divide.


YOu want to just talk shit about my side, and the ONE riot we have to our "credit", to smear us and marginalize us, and thus justify your next round of escalation,

while ignoring the context of your side's violence.

I don’t really have a side. I dislike dem policies but respect their goals when it comes to social issues. I think Republicans are horrible at messaging, most are an embarrassment, but I support more of their fiscal policies. I think both parties are corrupt. But my personal views don’t matter to this debate, so let’s get back to it shall we??

I see you being dishonest and I’m calling out yoir dishonesty it’s as simple as that. We were talking about the capital riot and now we are talking about the summer riots. That’s because of you. That’s the distraction. But I’m fine going there, the summer riots were wrong and bad. But stop lying about dem support that doesn’t exist

Talking about a riot in isolation, ignoring the fact that it took place during a period of civil unrest makes it impossible to have any real insight into the riot or the forces behind it or what it meant.

Who is ignoring the fact it happened during a time of civil unrest?! I’d be the first to admit that we are living in a extremely polarized and tense time politically. Another great gift from Mr Trump

The vast majority of the riots came from the Left. ONly one of them were from teh right.


Seems this period of political unrest is a gift from the Left.


It is really worth noting that hte one righty riot you want to talk about, came at the END of Trump's administration.

Well the riots on the left were centered around millions of people protesting for racial equality. That doesn’t excuse those who acted out but that’s what it was. There were many riots during the civil rights movement in the 60s and I bet the majority of Americans would agree that cause was righteous. The Jan 6 riot was an attempt to overthrow our government in order to stop what they were lied to and told was a stolen election. They also wanted to kill our VP because trump lied and said he had the ability to stop the certification. These are two very very very different things. I don’t understand why people like you keep trying to compare them as similar situations.

You lying asshole.....the protest on Jan. 6 wasn't about over throwing the government....that is why no one in the Capitol building during the protest had a gun......

again...

600 million guns in America....

over 19.4 million Americans with the legal ability to carry guns for self defense....

Over 100,000 Trump supporters...

About 200 people entered the capitol building...

They had Zero guns.........

You do not over throw a government without guns...you mindless moron.......

The Trump supporters wandered the halls and took selfies......antifa and blm plants in the crowd vandalized the place and fought with some of the police......

Hahahhahahaha. Are you shitting me?! The whole point of the riot was to stop the steal and they tried to do so by force. That is literally overthrowing our system of government... the definition of an insurrection. Wake up

How is it overthrowing the system when you yourself admitted it was a Steal.

They thought it was a steal because they were lied to. It obviously was not stolen. Our elections systems have too many safeguards working independently of each other for that to happen

No system is any better than the people making it up. And dems have shown that they will lie and cheat and abuse ANY power they are given.

Yup, so have the Republicans. Power corrupts

FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But you dems have abused every single iota of power you have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.

I’m not a democrat

lol. Sure. Ok then.

FALSE. Republicans are far from perfect. Indeed, they are pretty fucked up. But the dems have abused every single iota of power they have been given from The fucking President(s) down to the school teachers lying to their students.

Yeah I agree, the Dems need a respectable check on their power because they don’t have very good ideas and are riddled with corruption. But the Reps have been at a whole different level as of late and thanks to Trump their party is blown to pieces. Now they don’t even have a platform to run on

Trump was fine. Your pretense otherwise is not rational.

I disagree, he relentlessly trolled causing crippling partisan division and he constantly lied to the American people. The guy is a disgrace and now he has half the Republican Party standing behind his lies supporting an insurrection and at each others throats. It’s pathetic and sad for our country. The Dems sure are grateful

You say "insurrection" to try to make that ONE riot, as bad as 5 years of riots from your side.


Your side is the side that is tearing this nation apart. That you whine like this over ONE small riot of 200 people, after hundred of riots from your side, is you being weak and pathetic.

The reason why the Jan 6 insurrection was so much worse than the summer riots is because jan 6 was based on lies from the most powerful man in the world who we gave that power to. A betrayal of our public trust that resulted in an attempt to over through our government. The summer riots have no excuse but they were criminals taking advantage of a huge movement of national outrage over racial equality. I’m sorry that you can’t see the difference.

Bullshit. The "Reason" you are pretending that the 1/6 riot is so much worse than the HUNDREDS of riots before it, is because it is the ONLY one that you can blame on the other side.


YOU people are the ones that have been using violence as a political tool.


And now you want to dodge ownership of your actions.


That is the act of a coward.

Of course it was much worse, you flaming imbecile. It was an attack on our government and an attempt to illegally and unconstitutionally reverse an election to hand the presidency to the candidate who lost the election in a landslide. It was so much worse that the seditious traitors who invaded the Capitol, seeking to murder lawmakers, are being hunted down nationally from wherever they're hiding and will be brought to justice. And as bad as it was, it could have been worse. Imagine if Trump's mob gotten their grimey hands on lawmakers.

One riot is not worse that 5 years of riots. You are cowardly trying to dodge ownership of your side's brownshirt violence.

LOLOL

You're beyond deranged. Again, the response to both speaks to the gravity of both. And hundreds of seditious insurrectionists are being rounded up from all corners of the country to face the justice for their treasonous actions.

 

[Correll]

Why give illegal aliens free food stamps, and then tell them to go and vote?








Transcript:



RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting.

[And that is who she is speaking for!]

So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
[Who would come for legal citizens voting?????????]
OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself.

[Just like you.....a bald-faced liar!]

And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera.

[Meaning: 'Go ahead and vote....no one will be the wiser!']



The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

[Meaning, I guess....if you are living with lots of other illegals...well, heck, at least some of you should go vote! After all....Trump is trying to get rid of you illegals!]

You're still lying about that?? How sad. In reality, Obama told illegals they can't legally vote; and he told "Latino citizens" to vote because their vote matter for illegals.

...what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you're not just speaking for yourself. You're speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school... who may not have a voice. Who can't legally vote. But they're counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard."​

He was clearly playing along with the woman's suggestion that illegal aliens were citizens and should vote.

If he was not a whore angling for hispanic votes, or illegal votes, he should have right there, made his anti-illegal position clear.


Except... he is not really anti-illegal, is he?

You're deranged. Neither of them said non-citizenscoukd or should vote; and he did clearly state it is illegal for non-citizens to vote. He also twice promoted a website which stated only citizens can vote.

She clearly said that they should be able to, "because they contribute to the community" and he was clearly playing along.

No, she didn't. She said they are fearful of voting in the vein of their American relatives voting could lead to them being caught and deported.

Which is exactly how Obama took it to mean as he responded by pointing out that Americans who vote do so in secrecy, so it can't lead to their undocumented relatives being deported.

Citizens are allowed to vote. Citizens are allowed to live here. ILLEGALS are the ones that get deported.


Her meaning was clear, ie "illegals should vote" and Obama played along.

 

[Faun]

Why give illegal aliens free food stamps, and then tell them to go and vote?








Transcript:



RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting.

[And that is who she is speaking for!]

So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
[Who would come for legal citizens voting?????????]
OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself.

[Just like you.....a bald-faced liar!]

And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera.

[Meaning: 'Go ahead and vote....no one will be the wiser!']



The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

[Meaning, I guess....if you are living with lots of other illegals...well, heck, at least some of you should go vote! After all....Trump is trying to get rid of you illegals!]

You're still lying about that?? How sad. In reality, Obama told illegals they can't legally vote; and he told "Latino citizens" to vote because their vote matter for illegals.

...what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you're not just speaking for yourself. You're speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school... who may not have a voice. Who can't legally vote. But they're counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard."​

He was clearly playing along with the woman's suggestion that illegal aliens were citizens and should vote.

If he was not a whore angling for hispanic votes, or illegal votes, he should have right there, made his anti-illegal position clear.


Except... he is not really anti-illegal, is he?

You're deranged. Neither of them said non-citizenscoukd or should vote; and he did clearly state it is illegal for non-citizens to vote. He also twice promoted a website which stated only citizens can vote.

She clearly said that they should be able to, "because they contribute to the community" and he was clearly playing along.

No, she didn't. She said they are fearful of voting in the vein of their American relatives voting could lead to them being caught and deported.

Which is exactly how Obama took it to mean as he responded by pointing out that Americans who vote do so in secrecy, so it can't lead to their undocumented relatives being deported.

Citizens are allowed to vote. Citizens are allowed to live here. ILLEGALS are the ones that get deported.


Her meaning was clear, ie "illegals should vote" and Obama played along.

Again, you only demonstrate you're not playing with a full deck when you post such utter nonsense.

And again, that was not what she said and normal people didn't take her words to mean what you delude she meant. As evidenced by Obama himself, fielding her question, he too knew she never suggested illegals should vote which was obvious by his answer which reveals his answer about Americans voting is done in secrecy, so her undocumented family and friends need not be afraid by her, a U.S. citizen herself, voting.