Fake News - what it is, what it isn't....

So................................... no link.

Yup.

And I've told you this on a number of occasions now. I'm not your bitch link chaser. I told you the source, if you can refute it (which you can't b/c I told you the truth), then do so. But don't make this about some bull shit like you always do. It only reflects the fact that you're a little bitch.

Cat Toy Meltdown in progress.

It does serve as a reminder of the basic tenet for good journalism and ferreting out fake news, that being:

Burden of proof is always on the asserter.

No exceptions.

That's where you're wrong. I have no burden to prove a damn thing to you. I told you what I understand to be true. I'm not your fucking glorified paralegal. If you're ignorant on a matter, then it's your burden, not mine.


If you can't prove your point, Lord Little Font-Leroy ------------------ you ain't got one.

I don't have anything to "prove". This is a fireside forum, not a college paper. I've said nothing incorrect and you can't say anything to the contrary. Now stop acting up, child.

You made an assertion. And you can't demonstrate that assertion. Therefore your assertion does not exist.
Simple as that. You lied, and got caught.
 
Sooooo .... no answer. Slippery slope fallacy instead.
Care to try again? Once again the question was, where does anyone suggest we need a Ministry of Truth?

That doesn't mean Nosebook or YouTube voluntarily dealing with situations that embarrass them. It means by force.

Well it sounds like exactly what you're suggesting to me because you are defending totally bogus and fake news stories as "legitimate" because there was a book written or a lawsuit filed. So who the fuck is getting to decide what is really fake and what is really true? YOU? Fuck YOU!

Once again for the slow kids ---- there never was a news story about Rump raping a 13-year-old. You just made that up, because you're too dense to distinguish the difference between "X happened" and "Person A *SAYS* X happened" And a book isn't a news story.

So no---- fuck YOU. Go learn how to think. That's the bottom line for all of this. Don't waddle around imagining all sorts of fake stories that never existed and then expect some fairy godmother to come down and whisk them away. Your tenuous grip on reality is nobody's problem but yours.

No... fuck YOU... YOU'RE the slow kid here, snowflake. Everyone who didn't have their heads up Hillary Clinton's fat ass heard the "story" about Trump raping a 13-year-old in the weeks leading up to the election, along with an assortment of other bogus and outrageous stories that weren't true. You can always "caveat" a story with "allegedly" and "supposedly" or "according to anonymous sources." That is exactly why it's impossible to police "true" or "fake" news stories. Only a complete and utter dumb ass would think otherwise.

What YOU want is to be able to control information. Plain and simple... like the little fascist commie bastard you are! You want a fucking Minister of Truth and you want it to be somebody like Micheal Moore with his little FAKE ASS "documentaries" telling us all what to believe as the truth. Well, America is resoundingly going to tell you to go fuck yourself.
 
40 years ago or more, I read a biography of Henry Luce, founder of the time/life publishing empire. It was a real eye opener. There is no such thing as an unbiased news source.
 
So no it doesn't matter, and the same is true for the Clinton voters in California --- everybody knew the state was going "blue", ergo no individual vote has an iota of any meaning. That's why I've been on the EC's case for so long; among many other flaws it keeps our turnout abysmally low, because millions know their vote will be meaningless.

Well your vote is never meaningless because it does mean something in your state. The EC just keeps your state from making my state meaningless or visa versa. You see, we are not a nation state, we are 50 individual states, plus a district and a few territories. We don't have a national election, we have state elections. There is no "flaw" in the EC, it ensures we are a republic of individual states and not a fucking nation state democracy. Learn some goddamn history and educate yourself, moron!

Entirely bullshit, completely dismantled in the various EC threads, and not in any way the topic here anyway.

Well no, retard... nothing has been dismantled anywhere. You're just a fucking idiot who doesn't understand the framer's intent of the EC or why it exists.
 
I believe that's Rupert Murdoch.

No, I don't believe Murdock owns MySpace, nor does he own MSNBC, CBS, NBC, HuffPo, DailyKos or any of the assorted liberal media that most of America now tunes out. In case you hadn't noticed, the liberals don't fucking control all the media outlets anymore... people get their news elsewhere. Your mainstream stalwarts are barely registering in the ratings these days. The free market is marginalizing them because people are tired of being fed the FAKE NEWS!

It's the mother of all ironies you've decided to make this a fucking cause!

Sigh.... I don't pull this shit out of my ass.

>> In July 2005, in one of the company's first major Internet purchases, Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation (the parent company of Fox Broadcasting and other media enterprises) purchased Myspace for US$580 million.[18][26] News Corporation had beat out Viacom by offering a higher price for the website,[27] and the purchase was seen as a good investment at the time.[27] Of the $580 million purchase price, approximately $327 million has been attributed to the value of Myspace according to the financial adviser fairness opinion.[28] Within a year, Myspace had tripled in value from its purchase price.[27] News Corporation saw the purchase as a way to capitalize on Internet advertising, and drive traffic to other News Corporation properties.[26]

... On June 29, 2011, Myspace announced to label partners and press via email that it had been acquired by Specific Media for an undisclosed sum, rumoured to be a figure as low as $35m.[60][61] CNN reported that Myspace sold for $35 million, and noted that it was "far less than the $580 million News Corp. paid for Myspace in 2005".[62] Rupert Murdoch went on to call the Myspace purchase a "huge mistake".[63] Time Magazine compared News Corporation's purchase of Myspace to Time Warner's purchase of AOL – a conglomerate trying to stay ahead of the competition.[27] << (Wiki)
...

JUST AS I STATED... MURDOCH DOES NOT OWN MYSPACE!
 
I believe that's Rupert Murdoch.

No, I don't believe Murdock owns MySpace, nor does he own MSNBC, CBS, NBC, HuffPo, DailyKos or any of the assorted liberal media that most of America now tunes out. In case you hadn't noticed, the liberals don't fucking control all the media outlets anymore... people get their news elsewhere. Your mainstream stalwarts are barely registering in the ratings these days. The free market is marginalizing them because people are tired of being fed the FAKE NEWS!

It's the mother of all ironies you've decided to make this a fucking cause!

Sigh.... I don't pull this shit out of my ass.

>> In July 2005, in one of the company's first major Internet purchases, Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation (the parent company of Fox Broadcasting and other media enterprises) purchased Myspace for US$580 million.[18][26] News Corporation had beat out Viacom by offering a higher price for the website,[27] and the purchase was seen as a good investment at the time.[27] Of the $580 million purchase price, approximately $327 million has been attributed to the value of Myspace according to the financial adviser fairness opinion.[28] Within a year, Myspace had tripled in value from its purchase price.[27] News Corporation saw the purchase as a way to capitalize on Internet advertising, and drive traffic to other News Corporation properties.[26]

... On June 29, 2011, Myspace announced to label partners and press via email that it had been acquired by Specific Media for an undisclosed sum, rumoured to be a figure as low as $35m.[60][61] CNN reported that Myspace sold for $35 million, and noted that it was "far less than the $580 million News Corp. paid for Myspace in 2005".[62] Rupert Murdoch went on to call the Myspace purchase a "huge mistake".[63] Time Magazine compared News Corporation's purchase of Myspace to Time Warner's purchase of AOL – a conglomerate trying to stay ahead of the competition.[27] << (Wiki)
...

JUST AS I STATED... MURDOCH DOES NOT OWN MYSPACE!

But he DID, until it flamed out.

As I said, it had its day. I used to use it in music promotion. Theoretically I may even still have an account.
 
No... fuck YOU... YOU'RE the slow kid here, snowflake. Everyone who didn't have their heads up Hillary Clinton's fat ass heard the "story" about Trump raping a 13-year-old in the weeks leading up to the election, along with an assortment of other bogus and outrageous stories that weren't true.

Then it's funny you can't link such a story ------------------------------ isn't it.

Oopsie.


You can always "caveat" a story with "allegedly" and "supposedly" or "according to anonymous sources." That is exactly why it's impossible to police "true" or "fake" news stories. Only a complete and utter dumb ass would think otherwise.

That's because sentient, breathing people who learned how to read actually know what the words "allegedly" and "lawsuit" mean. Some of us have even learned what subjects and verbs are. That's how we can tell the difference between "Rump raped a 13-year-old" and "lawsuit alleges Rump raped a 13-year-old".

But of course it's not so easy to figure this out if you're drowning in your own emotional bullshit, telling yourself there are "stories" that no one else knows about. Do you know Brian Williams?



What YOU want is to be able to control information. Plain and simple... like the little fascist commie bastard you are! You want a fucking Minister of Truth and you want it to be somebody like Micheal Moore with his little FAKE ASS "documentaries" telling us all what to believe as the truth.

Again ........................................................................................................................................... Link?

Again............. no apparently not.
 
But he DID, until it flamed out.

As I said, it had its day. I used to use it in music promotion. Theoretically I may even still have an account.

Hey moron... what was my fucking point of mentioning MySpace? It had nothing to do with who owned it. Like a typical birdbrained liberal idiot, you can't stay focused... maybe they need to up your dosages of Adderall?

I was making the point that little fascist social media sites who think they can manipulate information could find themselves in the same boat as MySpace, without a fucking customer base because something better came along. Your ADHD caused you to pop off some smart ass comment about Rupert Murdoch. And thus, this little "side argument" ensued over who owns MySpace... and it fucking ISN'T Rupert Murdoch, genius. Yes, he owned it once, he doesn't anymore. I didn't say Murdoch NEVER owned it, so you aren't correct or right, even with the stupid little smart ass side argument you tried to make.

Actually, this illustrates perfectly why you snowflakes think the big bad government needs to provide you a babysitter to tell you when something is fake or real... because you're all a bunch of mentally-deficient morons who can't focus on anything other than your personal gratification in the moment.
 
Fake news is posting that three million Amish are marching to the ballot box to vote for Rump. Fake news is making up a story that some CIA guy was killed by Hillary Clinton. Fake news is digging up an old and thoroughly debunked myth about "Bill Clinton's illegitimate son" and reviving it.

That's how we can tell the difference between "Rump raped a 13-year-old" and "lawsuit alleges Rump raped a 13-year-old".

So it's fine to report 3 million Amish are allegedly marching to the ballot box to vote for Trump... A CIA guy was allegedly killed by Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton allegedly has an illegitimate son.... thanks for making my point, moron.
 
Yup.

And I've told you this on a number of occasions now. I'm not your bitch link chaser. I told you the source, if you can refute it (which you can't b/c I told you the truth), then do so. But don't make this about some bull shit like you always do. It only reflects the fact that you're a little bitch.

Cat Toy Meltdown in progress.

It does serve as a reminder of the basic tenet for good journalism and ferreting out fake news, that being:

Burden of proof is always on the asserter.

No exceptions.

That's where you're wrong. I have no burden to prove a damn thing to you. I told you what I understand to be true. I'm not your fucking glorified paralegal. If you're ignorant on a matter, then it's your burden, not mine.


If you can't prove your point, Lord Little Font-Leroy ------------------ you ain't got one.

I don't have anything to "prove". This is a fireside forum, not a college paper. I've said nothing incorrect and you can't say anything to the contrary. Now stop acting up, child.

You made an assertion. And you can't demonstrate that assertion. Therefore your assertion does not exist.
Simple as that. You lied, and got caught.

You're an idiot.
 
So................................... no link.

Yup.

And I've told you this on a number of occasions now. I'm not your bitch link chaser. I told you the source, if you can refute it (which you can't b/c I told you the truth), then do so. But don't make this about some bull shit like you always do. It only reflects the fact that you're a little bitch.

Cat Toy Meltdown in progress.

It does serve as a reminder of the basic tenet for good journalism and ferreting out fake news, that being:

Burden of proof is always on the asserter.

No exceptions.

That's where you're wrong. I have no burden to prove a damn thing to you. I told you what I understand to be true. I'm not your fucking glorified paralegal. If you're ignorant on a matter, then it's your burden, not mine.


If you can't prove your point, Lord Little Font-Leroy ------------------ you ain't got one.

I don't have anything to "prove". This is a fireside forum, not a college paper. I've said nothing incorrect and you can't say anything to the contrary. Now stop acting up, child.
I follow this stuff.


Here is a very interesting article that details how WaPo got burned on their shady source material. Anyone familiar with Operation mockingbird should see what is going on here.

PropOrNot: Evidence of a CIA Psychological Operation
PropOrNot: Evidence of a CIA Psychological Operation

Alternative Media- A Very Serious Threat to the Ruling Elite

On November 24, The Washington Post published a story citing the anonymous group PropOrNot. The story accused the Russians of building a large propaganda operation that worked to defeat Hillary Clinton and elect “insurgent candidate” Donald Trump. It claimed a large number of alternative news websites are acting as Russian agents, dupes, and useful idiots.


Prior to this, in March 2015, the Voice of America insisted Russia has organized “a round-the-clock operation in which an army of trolls disseminated pro-Kremlin and anti-Western talking points on blogs and in the comments sections of news websites in Russia and abroad.”

<snip>

PropOrNot also collaborates with Polygraph Fact-Check, a purported fact-checking website produced by Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty and Voice of America, in other words the CIA.


120916_KNPost6.png
Another so-called fact-checking operation is listed, Politifact. It is a project of the Tampa Bay Times and the Poynter Institute and shares a donor with the Clinton Foundation, the Omidyar Network, created by eBay founder Pierre Omidyar. He is a major donor of Kiev-based Hromadske TV, “the symbol of the info wars between Moscow and the Western world,” according to Forbes. The effort is also supported by the US State Department, a number of European governments, and NGOs involved in Ukraine prior to and after the US-sponsored coup.


PropOrNot’s connections indicate the website and its effort to take down alternative media is a project initiated by the establishment and likely a psychological operation directed by the CIA either directly or through its circle of private contractors.


The defeat of Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with the effectiveness of Russian propaganda. More accurately, Clinton’s election loss is a direct result of her corruption and deep insider status. The alternative media played an instrumental role in exposing Clinton’s criminality and her penchant for war and mass murder, primarily in Libya and Syria.


The alternative media has done an effective job of exposing the crimes of the elite and its political class and this news coverage did in fact have an impact on the election. Alternative media is a serious threat to the ruling elite. It no longer controls the flow of information and its propaganda is now directly challenged on a daily basis.


The Washington Post and the establishment media have latched on to the ludicrous PropOrNot campaign to denounce alternative media as some sort of nefarious Russian plot to undermine the political system in the United States. Despite this, millions of Americans continue to read alternative news and make their own informed decisions, a trend that has set off alarm bells in the deepest recesses of the establishment.

 
Yup.

And I've told you this on a number of occasions now. I'm not your bitch link chaser. I told you the source, if you can refute it (which you can't b/c I told you the truth), then do so. But don't make this about some bull shit like you always do. It only reflects the fact that you're a little bitch.

Cat Toy Meltdown in progress.

It does serve as a reminder of the basic tenet for good journalism and ferreting out fake news, that being:

Burden of proof is always on the asserter.

No exceptions.

That's where you're wrong. I have no burden to prove a damn thing to you. I told you what I understand to be true. I'm not your fucking glorified paralegal. If you're ignorant on a matter, then it's your burden, not mine.


If you can't prove your point, Lord Little Font-Leroy ------------------ you ain't got one.

I don't have anything to "prove". This is a fireside forum, not a college paper. I've said nothing incorrect and you can't say anything to the contrary. Now stop acting up, child.
I follow this stuff.


Here is a very interesting article that details how WaPo got burned on their shady source material. Anyone familiar with Operation mockingbird should see what is going on here.

PropOrNot: Evidence of a CIA Psychological Operation
PropOrNot: Evidence of a CIA Psychological Operation

Alternative Media- A Very Serious Threat to the Ruling Elite

On November 24, The Washington Post published a story citing the anonymous group PropOrNot. The story accused the Russians of building a large propaganda operation that worked to defeat Hillary Clinton and elect “insurgent candidate” Donald Trump. It claimed a large number of alternative news websites are acting as Russian agents, dupes, and useful idiots.


Prior to this, in March 2015, the Voice of America insisted Russia has organized “a round-the-clock operation in which an army of trolls disseminated pro-Kremlin and anti-Western talking points on blogs and in the comments sections of news websites in Russia and abroad.”

<snip>

PropOrNot also collaborates with Polygraph Fact-Check, a purported fact-checking website produced by Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty and Voice of America, in other words the CIA.


120916_KNPost6.png
Another so-called fact-checking operation is listed, Politifact. It is a project of the Tampa Bay Times and the Poynter Institute and shares a donor with the Clinton Foundation, the Omidyar Network, created by eBay founder Pierre Omidyar. He is a major donor of Kiev-based Hromadske TV, “the symbol of the info wars between Moscow and the Western world,” according to Forbes. The effort is also supported by the US State Department, a number of European governments, and NGOs involved in Ukraine prior to and after the US-sponsored coup.


PropOrNot’s connections indicate the website and its effort to take down alternative media is a project initiated by the establishment and likely a psychological operation directed by the CIA either directly or through its circle of private contractors.


The defeat of Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with the effectiveness of Russian propaganda. More accurately, Clinton’s election loss is a direct result of her corruption and deep insider status. The alternative media played an instrumental role in exposing Clinton’s criminality and her penchant for war and mass murder, primarily in Libya and Syria.


The alternative media has done an effective job of exposing the crimes of the elite and its political class and this news coverage did in fact have an impact on the election. Alternative media is a serious threat to the ruling elite. It no longer controls the flow of information and its propaganda is now directly challenged on a daily basis.


The Washington Post and the establishment media have latched on to the ludicrous PropOrNot campaign to denounce alternative media as some sort of nefarious Russian plot to undermine the political system in the United States. Despite this, millions of Americans continue to read alternative news and make their own informed decisions, a trend that has set off alarm bells in the deepest recesses of the establishment.




[mic drop!] :coffee:
 
I uh, don't think you quite grasp the concept here.

Twisting a mundane story around to imply something it doesn't say isn't "fake news". It's still using a real event that really happened.

Fake news is posting that three million Amish are marching to the ballot box to vote for Rump. Fake news is making up a story that some CIA guy was killed by Hillary Clinton. Fake news is digging up an old and thoroughly debunked myth about "Bill Clinton's illegitimate son" and reviving it. Stuff that not only never happened but isn't remotely related to anything that ever happened.

Fake news is claiming the electoral college is racist. (NY Times), Fake news is claiming that Hillary has 370 EC votes locked up (La Times) Fake news is claiming the Russians hacked voting machines (CNN).

We know fake news Huffer, and who the major perpetrators are.
 
I don't know a story about Rump raping a 13-year-old. I do however know of a story of a lawsuit
claiming
that.

ISN'T it rather amazing that this lawsuit was dismissed on November 9th as having no merit?

Almost as if the FAKE litigation had served it's purpose and was no longer needed?

Will the corrupt judge who allowed this FARCE to go forward be impeached, Disbarred, or any way censured for so obviously seeking to influence a national election through the abuse of his position? Of course not, he was serving the party.

And that lawsuit happened, so it's a real event. Now why did you just morph it into a "story" that never existed?

The lawsuit did NOT happen. Once the election was over, the absurd FAKE litigation was thrown out. The ONLY reason it existed was to tamper with the election.

Irony of ironies, we've moved from "fake news" to "FAKE fake news". :eek:

The CLAIM that Trump had raped a 13 year old was fake news, slander cooked up by you demagogues. The suit had already been thrown out in radical leftist California and Florida. The Soros minions found a corrupt pile of shit in New York who was willing to try and pervert the election.

George Bush's AWOL was published in a book, titled "Fortunate Son". It may have based on circumstantial evidence but AFAIK there's no evidence to the contrary; no records exist demonstrating Bush's participation in the USAF during the period in question. So yes it too has a basis; it wasn't just made up like the examples I just gave.

Slander and libel define your filthy party. As some fuckwad claimed yesterday, the onus to prove a claim is ALWAYS on the claimant (fucking hypocrite). No one need prove Bush was NOT AWOL Herr Goebbels, YOU must prove he was, OR you are just spreading FAKE NEWS.
 
In the spirit of the liberal mainstream media, let me present an example of how they FAKE the news everyday.... this is a right-wing version of what they do:

Michelle Obama Confesses to Oprah Her Husband's Presidency Was a Total Failure

In a remarkably candid and open interview with Oprah Winfrey, First Lady Michelle Obama said today, "We are now getting to see what hopelessness feels like." Her husband campaigned in 2008 on the message of "Hope and Change" and his wife's admission that her husband had failed at providing the hope he promised was a scathing indictment of his policies.

"Barack used it as a campaign slogan to garner votes," the First Lady said. "But what else do we really have if we don't have hope?" As of this report, the President has been unavailable for comment as he is golfing in Hawaii.

I made a thread satirically making this point.
 
I don't know a story about Rump raping a 13-year-old. I do however know of a story of a lawsuit
claiming that.

ISN'T it rather amazing that this lawsuit was dismissed on November 9th as having no merit?

Almost as if the FAKE litigation had served it's purpose and was no longer needed?

Will the corrupt judge who allowed this FARCE to go forward be impeached, Disbarred, or any way censured for so obviously seeking to influence a national election through the abuse of his position? Of course not, he was serving the party.

And that lawsuit happened, so it's a real event. Now why did you just morph it into a "story" that never existed?

The lawsuit did NOT happen. Once the election was over, the absurd FAKE litigation was thrown out. The ONLY reason it existed was to tamper with the election.

Irony of ironies, we've moved from "fake news" to "FAKE fake news". :eek:

The CLAIM that Trump had raped a 13 year old was fake news, slander cooked up by you demagogues. The suit had already been thrown out in radical leftist California and Florida. The Soros minions found a corrupt pile of shit in New York who was willing to try and pervert the election.

George Bush's AWOL was published in a book, titled "Fortunate Son". It may have based on circumstantial evidence but AFAIK there's no evidence to the contrary; no records exist demonstrating Bush's participation in the USAF during the period in question. So yes it too has a basis; it wasn't just made up like the examples I just gave.

Slander and libel define your filthy party. As some fuckwad claimed yesterday, the onus to prove a claim is ALWAYS on the claimant (fucking hypocrite). No one need prove Bush was NOT AWOL Herr Goebbels, YOU must prove he was, OR you are just spreading FAKE NEWS.

Sadly, the suit being dropped the day after the election was very predictable. The Dems just wanted their phony talking point. It was funny watching their minions spout it, too. The media would have did 24/7 coverage on this is there was merit to the story.
 
Cat Toy Meltdown in progress.

It does serve as a reminder of the basic tenet for good journalism and ferreting out fake news, that being:

Burden of proof is always on the asserter.

No exceptions.

That's where you're wrong. I have no burden to prove a damn thing to you. I told you what I understand to be true. I'm not your fucking glorified paralegal. If you're ignorant on a matter, then it's your burden, not mine.


If you can't prove your point, Lord Little Font-Leroy ------------------ you ain't got one.

I don't have anything to "prove". This is a fireside forum, not a college paper. I've said nothing incorrect and you can't say anything to the contrary. Now stop acting up, child.

You made an assertion. And you can't demonstrate that assertion. Therefore your assertion does not exist.
Simple as that. You lied, and got caught.

You're an idiot.

Whelp ---- I've never made an assertion I can't prove so .................. guess not.
 
Fake news is posting that three million Amish are marching to the ballot box to vote for Rump. Fake news is making up a story that some CIA guy was killed by Hillary Clinton. Fake news is digging up an old and thoroughly debunked myth about "Bill Clinton's illegitimate son" and reviving it.

That's how we can tell the difference between "Rump raped a 13-year-old" and "lawsuit alleges Rump raped a 13-year-old".

So it's fine to report 3 million Amish are allegedly marching to the ballot box to vote for Trump... A CIA guy was allegedly killed by Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton allegedly has an illegitimate son.... thanks for making my point, moron.

Someday learn how to read.

When that happens, I'm guessing 2025, come back to this post and point out exactly where I said, implied, intimated, hinted, or in any way whatsoever indicated I said it was "fine to report".

Dumb shit.
 
Hey moron... what was my fucking point of mentioning MySpace? It had nothing to do with who owned it. Like a typical birdbrained liberal idiot, you can't stay focused... maybe they need to up your dosages of Adderall?

I was making the point that little fascist social media sites who think they can manipulate information could find themselves in the same boat as MySpace, without a fucking customer base because something better came along.

MySpace, inane as it was, was eclipsed not by something "better" but by something even more inane: Nosebook. A blatant direct appeal to voyeurism (which Zuckerberg has a history of), narcissism and meaningless gossip. MySpace didn't push such features; it actually had practicality. If you're so naïve that you think a mob customer base equates to quality, you have a good gourmet mean waiting at Burger Thing.

What happened there is encapsulated, as are so many other things, in the old adage "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public".


Actually, this illustrates perfectly why you snowflakes think the big bad government needs to provide you a babysitter to tell you when something is fake or real...

Once again you're a bald-faced liar. I've never made such a point. Not in this thread, not in any thread, any time, anywhere.

Go ahead --- prove me wrong, lying hack.


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