Extortion by Govt Shutdown: Democrats Want to Undo 2024 Election When It Comes to Medicaid

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The House passed the funding bill in September, over a month ago, but Senate Democrats blocked the bill in the Senate with a filibuster and forced the government to shut down. Every Senate Republican voted for the bill, but only three Democrats voted for it. The vote was 55-45, and it takes 60 votes to pass a funding bill that's being filibustered. Another vote was held in the Senate just last week, and once again only three Democrats voted for it.

The Democrats say they won't vote to reopen the government unless the Republicans agree to undo the Medicaid cuts as part of the funding bill. In essence, Democrats are trying to undo the 2024 election when it comes to Medicaid funding. The House and Senate voted to approve the Medicaid cuts as part of the tax-cut bill in July. Democrats lost those votes because they lost the 2024 election. They could not block the Medicaid cuts because the tax-cut bill did not require 60 votes to pass, only 51 votes.

I happen to largely agree with the Democrats about the Medicaid cuts, but using extortion to try to undo the cuts by refusing to fund the government sets a very bad precedent. It amounts to trying to undo the 2024 election for Senate votes on Medicaid. If the Democrats had not lost the Senate in the 2024 election, the tax-cut bill would not have included the Medicaid cuts and may not have passed in any form. (If that had happened, middle-income taxpayers would have seen their taxes rise substantially starting in January, because the 2017 tax cuts expire at the end of this year. If you don't believe this, just check the 2016 tax brackets.)

Senate Republicans could pass the funding bill by invoking reconciliation for the bill, which would mean the bill could not be filibustered, which in turn would mean the bill would just need a simple majority to pass, not 60 votes, but Republicans are reluctant to use this "nuclear option" because they fear it will end the ability of future Senate minorities to block funding bills with a filibuster, leaving future minorities just as powerless as the minority in the House.

It would not kill the Republicans to offer a meaningful compromise on the Medicaid cuts, perhaps an offer to reduce the cuts by 50%. Then, if the Democrats refused the offer and still refused to fund the government, the Democrats would be even more clearly to blame for continuing the shutdown.
 
As soon as people are a week without food stamps, the Dems will finally vote to reopen the government.

Guess we just need to let them be obnoxious for another couple of weeks.
 
The Democrats say they won't vote to reopen the government unless the Republicans agree to undo the Medicaid cuts as part of the funding bill. In essence, Democrats are trying to undo the 2024 election when it comes to Medicaid funding.

Here are the times Trump has said he wouldn't cut Medicaid​


It's back to the drawing board for you.
 
You talk about undoing the 2024 election like it's a bad thing.

We didn't elect a King in 2024, and Cheeto Hitler didn't talk like he was going to pull health care from millions of people during it. If he had, he wouldn't have won.

You guys had no problem with the Filibuster when it was used to keep us from getting universal healthcare in 2009, because Joe Lieberman didn't like American taxpayers funding health care for Americans. (He has no problem with American tax dollars funding health care for Israelis, though.)

Offer the vile dems nothing because if it's one thing that they do well is smell weakness.

The shutdown is not currently costing the gop any political capital and the vile dems are running up on a EBT/SNAP funding hole come Nov. 1.

If that were the case, your side wouldn't be so panicked.
 
If that were the case, your side wouldn't be so panicked.
Panicked?....Other than hearing about it here and on the news you would never know that there is a shutdown. It's a non-event for most folks.

Come Nov 1 that will change when 42 million don't get their EBT/SNAP cards recharged.....Let's see how the vile dems fair then.
 
Panicked?....Other than hearing about it here and on the news you would never know that there is a shutdown. It's a non-event for most folks.

Come Nov 1 that will change when 42 million don't get their EBT/SNAP cards recharged.....Let's see how the vile dems fair then.
Is the reload on the EBT cards Nov 1 for everyone, or is it staggered throughout the month?
 
Panicked?....Other than hearing about it here and on the news you would never know that there is a shutdown. It's a non-event for most folks.

Come Nov 1 that will change when 42 million don't get their EBT/SNAP cards recharged.....Let's see how the vile dems fair then.

42 million involves alot of kids whose parents are working full time and cant afford to feed their families. Reality of things.
 
My, my, the Echo chamber has issued its walking orders and dog whistlers this morning, already we have three threads on the subject.
 
The House passed the funding bill in September, over a month ago, but Senate Democrats blocked the bill in the Senate with a filibuster and forced the government to shut down. Every Senate Republican voted for the bill, but only three Democrats voted for it. The vote was 55-45, and it takes 60 votes to pass a funding bill that's being filibustered. Another vote was held in the Senate just last week, and once again only three Democrats voted for it.

The Democrats say they won't vote to reopen the government unless the Republicans agree to undo the Medicaid cuts as part of the funding bill. In essence, Democrats are trying to undo the 2024 election when it comes to Medicaid funding. The House and Senate voted to approve the Medicaid cuts as part of the tax-cut bill in July. Democrats lost those votes because they lost the 2024 election. They could not block the Medicaid cuts because the tax-cut bill did not require 60 votes to pass, only 51 votes.

I happen to largely agree with the Democrats about the Medicaid cuts, but using extortion to try to undo the cuts by refusing to fund the government sets a very bad precedent. It amounts to trying to undo the 2024 election for Senate votes on Medicaid. If the Democrats had not lost the Senate in the 2024 election, the tax-cut bill would not have included the Medicaid cuts and may not have passed in any form. (If that had happened, middle-income taxpayers would have seen their taxes rise substantially starting in January, because the 2017 tax cuts expire at the end of this year. If you don't believe this, just check the 2016 tax brackets.)

Senate Republicans could pass the funding bill by invoking reconciliation for the bill, which would mean the bill could not be filibustered, which in turn would mean the bill would just need a simple majority to pass, not 60 votes, but Republicans are reluctant to use this "nuclear option" because they fear it will end the ability of future Senate minorities to block funding bills with a filibuster, leaving future minorities just as powerless as the minority in the House.

It would not kill the Republicans to offer a meaningful compromise on the Medicaid cuts, perhaps an offer to reduce the cuts by 50%. Then, if the Democrats refused the offer and still refused to fund the government, the Democrats would be even more clearly to blame for continuing the shutdown.
Nope .. time to crush the gloom and doom democrat leadership.. No need to inspire their habitual foolishness and wasteful spending.
 
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You talk about undoing the 2024 election like it's a bad thing.

We didn't elect a King in 2024, and Cheeto Hitler didn't talk like he was going to pull health care from millions of people during it. If he had, he wouldn't have won.
He didn't talk about it because he's not doing it. The democrats put the sunset provision in the Covid crisis subsidies, not TRUMP!, and it is democrats holding the budget hostage. You need to get your facts straight.
You guys had no problem with the Filibuster when it was used to keep us from getting universal healthcare in 2009, because Joe Lieberman didn't like American taxpayers funding health care for Americans. (He has no problem with American tax dollars funding health care for Israelis, though.)
Republicans are respecting the filibuster because they could easily nuke it in this case and continue on as planned. They are not doing that because they do not want to give democrats the same power when Republicans want to use it. They are willing to let Schumer take the fall for the whole thing. You need to get your facts straight.
If that were the case, your side wouldn't be so panicked.
No one is panicked except for democrats facing SNAP and EBT running out of money very soon. You need to get your facts straight.
 
Actually, all those MAGAts in Jesusland better get on their horn to do that.. because they are the ones being cut.
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Staggered, just like Social Security.
OK, so it’s not 42 million on Nov 1. It will be the first 10 million.

There are cheap food alternatives out there for the short-term. Also, some of these people can divert the money they spend at bars to food for their kids.
 

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