Excuses for Obamacare

[Harry Dresden]

I don't frankly know if obamacare is bad or not but what is wrong with the idea of everyone having access to healthcare? How can anyone be opposed to the idea?

i dont think it is about people getting it.....i believe it has to do with how it is being done and how it affects those who had a policy they like but now have something they feel is less then what they had but is costing more.....some people apparently its working good for them....some people not.....the only thing so far that affected me is my premium went up 98 bucks a month...

 

[Harry Dresden]

The no pre-existing conditions rule will probably stick.

well since there are so many people with "pre" existing conditions it no doubt will.....it should have been mandated years ago.....

 

[emilynghiem]

The flipside is that the likelihood of official repeal or replacement on this bill is about zero. My money is on piecemeal reform making it a dead letter.

Dear William: I believe on Constitutional Principles alone, the legislation should be relegated to Parties to set up their own systems their Members and Leaders agree to follow and fund.

This is the equivalent of expecting and respecting Protestants and Catholics to set up their own hierarchies and programs, and not force their systems on people of other denominations.

We need to start holding Political Parties accountable for their own Beliefs and not imposing Biases through Federal govt or State authority either.

If people vote and AGREE to follow certain policies, that's fine, where it reflect Consent of the Governed and does not dictate, infringe upon, mandate or PENALIZE people based on religious beliefs or creed.

But currently, this ACA and its mandates imposes the equivalent of a national religion based on faith that govt has authority to regulate health care instead of respecting individual choice and religious liberty.

This is a dangerous precedent to allow, and should have required a Constitutional Amendment to prevent the current state of division and violation of religiously held beliefs.

Failure to recognize the imposition on, violation of, and discrimination against individuals on the basis of creed is an ALARMING part of the problem.

How can we even address religious infringement if people don't recognize beliefs as valid that are being excluded, penalized and discriminated against by this bill and its mandates?

Horrifying that the leadership of this country, the Parties and Government are treating this as "politics as usual" instead of recognizing the imposition and infringement of Beliefs, in violation of Constitutional principles and process.

If we can address this conflict, we can solve all other problems caused by similar biases being imposed by Govt and abuse of political influence to force ideology by majority rule.
Totally unconstitutional and unethical, and we need to recognize this and correct it.

 

[william the wie]

Emily, your solution is unworkable. The parties do not run the country the bureaucracy does. One of the reasons I believe it would be immediately profitable to move the capital is that it takes physical structure to carry out corruption.

 

[emilynghiem]

Emily, your solution is unworkable. The parties do not run the country the bureaucracy does. One of the reasons I believe it would be immediately profitable to move the capital is that it takes physical structure to carry out corruption.

Yes, so separate the structures and let the members of each party
bear the brunt and responsibility for corruption of its OWN leaders.

Don't impose this corruption and cost on the rest of the nation who didn't
vote for those leaders.

By delegating and relegating as much as possible to independent parties,
then ONLY the policies that are central and uniform for all people nationally
would be under the Federal Govt. This would limit the Federal burden and
responsibilities, so there is more clear focus and accountability.

The majority of socialized programs would be delegated to local regions
and parties to handle their own ways. So this would reduce the bureaucracy
and keep it off the backs of taxpayers. Anyone who wants to take on huge
social programs would be responsible for management and financial accountability.

Why not shift these programs to people who WANT to make them work?

 

[initforme]

Where is the republican plan for fixing the healthcare scenario? Why don't they submit one that makes it feasible for low wage earners to afford a good plan? That should not be unworkable at all.

 

[asterism]

I don't frankly know if obamacare is bad or not but what is wrong with the idea of everyone having access to healthcare? How can anyone be opposed to the idea?

How do you figure they did not before? You understand that by access, you mean they cannot walk into an insurance office and sign up for health insurance.

Are you saying they were not allowed to have health insurance prior to Obamacare?

What you really mean is that everyone should have their healthcare insurance paid for by others...

Almost all developed countries view healthcare as a basic human right.

But they greatly diminish the results by government fiat.

NHS in Great Britain is a good example. Everyone is "covered" and those who can afford to do so get their life-saving treatment elsewhere.

 

[william the wie]

How do you figure they did not before? You understand that by access, you mean they cannot walk into an insurance office and sign up for health insurance.

Are you saying they were not allowed to have health insurance prior to Obamacare?

What you really mean is that everyone should have their healthcare insurance paid for by others...

Almost all developed countries view healthcare as a basic human right.

But they greatly diminish the results by government fiat.

NHS in Great Britain is a good example. Everyone is "covered" and those who can afford to do so get their life-saving treatment elsewhere.

That will rapidly become true of the US as well. With the rules for Covered California CA will make MS look good by 2020 unless the rules are changed.

 

[Politico]

I don't frankly know if obamacare is bad or not but what is wrong with the idea of everyone having access to healthcare? How can anyone be opposed to the idea?

Umm the problem has never been about access. It is the fact people can't afford it.

 

[Doubletap]

Healthcare for others @ the expense of others?
It's wrong.

 

[idb]

How do you figure they did not before? You understand that by access, you mean they cannot walk into an insurance office and sign up for health insurance.

Are you saying they were not allowed to have health insurance prior to Obamacare?

What you really mean is that everyone should have their healthcare insurance paid for by others...

Almost all developed countries view healthcare as a basic human right.

But they greatly diminish the results by government fiat.

NHS in Great Britain is a good example. Everyone is "covered" and those who can afford to do so get their life-saving treatment elsewhere.

Sure, you're right.
Everyone in Britain has access to a basic level of health care.
It means that you're in a queue but you're not going to die because you don't have insurance - cock-ups excepted.
If you can afford it you'll get yourself into the private system and the queue is shorter.
The point is, though, that everyone is covered whether they have insurance or not.

 

[asterism]

Almost all developed countries view healthcare as a basic human right.

But they greatly diminish the results by government fiat.

NHS in Great Britain is a good example. Everyone is "covered" and those who can afford to do so get their life-saving treatment elsewhere.

Sure, you're right.
Everyone in Britain has access to a basic level of health care.
It means that you're in a queue but you're not going to die because you don't have insurance - cock-ups excepted.
If you can afford it you'll get yourself into the private system and the queue is shorter.
The point is, though, that everyone is covered whether they have insurance or not.

That's the way it was here before the Affordable Care Act. Now we're in a transition to the system like Canada and Great Britain used to have, before getting to the 3 tiered system they have now.

Check out the VA. That's government healthcare for the masses.

 

[william the wie]

Actually we are headed for something like a 10 or more tier system based on

Network density

subsidy levels

Reimbursement rates

carriers per zipcode

The ease of setting up non-hospital hospitals in different jurisdictions.

 

[idb]

But they greatly diminish the results by government fiat.

NHS in Great Britain is a good example. Everyone is "covered" and those who can afford to do so get their life-saving treatment elsewhere.

Sure, you're right.
Everyone in Britain has access to a basic level of health care.
It means that you're in a queue but you're not going to die because you don't have insurance - cock-ups excepted.
If you can afford it you'll get yourself into the private system and the queue is shorter.
The point is, though, that everyone is covered whether they have insurance or not.

That's the way it was here before the Affordable Care Act. Now we're in a transition to the system like Canada and Great Britain used to have, before getting to the 3 tiered system they have now.

Check out the VA. That's government healthcare for the masses.

You could get a hip replacement without insurance?

 

[asterism]

Sure, you're right.
Everyone in Britain has access to a basic level of health care.
It means that you're in a queue but you're not going to die because you don't have insurance - cock-ups excepted.
If you can afford it you'll get yourself into the private system and the queue is shorter.
The point is, though, that everyone is covered whether they have insurance or not.

That's the way it was here before the Affordable Care Act. Now we're in a transition to the system like Canada and Great Britain used to have, before getting to the 3 tiered system they have now.

Check out the VA. That's government healthcare for the masses.

You could get a hip replacement without insurance?

Not usually. Can you get one at the VA? It depends on the waitlist, the same with most places with national healthcare systems.