Zone1 Europe needs the United States, and they just don't want to face it...

[Crepitus]

I'm no isolationist. But it's not our fight. The EU wants the war, they need to pony up.

Because lazy, cowardly American leftists ain't gonna do shit except bitch on the internet.

Meanwhile, I've lived all over the United States, visited more states, lived in Korea, lived in the Middle East, traveled through Canada and Europe, lived and worked with great folks of many nationalities and faiths.

You? You're just a bitter little shit with internet access, a completely unmerited sense of superiority, and a burning rage that people are allowed to disagree with you.

"I'm no isolationist"

Whiplash neck crack

"it's not our fight"

 

[Dante]

Oh, that explains why European nations were gladly compliant with Trump's insistence that they start paying their own way in NATO.

Oh, wait...

You leftists sure do like your Endless War. I'd ask you to explain why, but you don't know.

Good gawd you're as brainwashed as a person can be.

The facts on European nations and NATO were dealt with (debunking Trumpisms) back during his first term in office: 2018



and now again:

LeMonde article 2024/02/14/

"I said, 'You didn't pay, you're delinquent [...] No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage [the Russians] to do whatever the hell they want.'" This statement made by Donald Trump at an election rally in South Carolina on Saturday, February 10, has provoked strong reactions worldwide, because it undermines the principle of solidarity between North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) member states.

This charge by the Republican primary candidate against America's NATO allies is nothing new: During his presidential term (2017-2021), Trump had already criticized a supposed lack of balance between allies when it came to funding NATO. Yet by talking about "delinquent" allies and "countries [that] owe us a tremendous amount of money from many years back," the former president is fostering some confusion.

Indeed, NATO's direct funding is not at issue here: The €3.8 billion total budget (for 2024), which ensures the operation of the organization and its military commands, is funded by contributions from its members, proportional to their budgetary capabilities and their military requirements. This aspect does not really cause any problems.

The 2% of GDP guideline​

Trump's attacks have, in fact, referred to NATO's indirect funding, which is far more substantial. As the alliance has no armed forces of its own, its members supply the organization with the troops and equipment needed for its operations, on a voluntary basis. Each country's own defense capacity is therefore called upon to contribute to the organization's capacity.

To measure this contribution, it has been common practice to compare each country's annual defense spending with its national economic wealth, as represented by its gross domestic product (GDP). This is, according to NATO, an "indicator of a country's political will to contribute to NATO's common defence efforts."

 

[Dante]

When we've had natural disasters here, how many countries sent help?

You're being ridiculous: "Canada and Mexico have sent firefighting crews to help battle the blazes in the Los Angeles area, and Ukraine also has offered assistance. But social media posts misleadingly claim “$00,000,000” in “foreign aid” has been offered to the U.S. to help with the Southern California disaster."

While other nations have not sent money to assist Southern California, Canada and Mexico have sent firefighting crews to the Los Angeles area, and Ukraine has offered to help fight the fires. (not sure how countries across the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans could help with wild fires and other disasters. Might be a waste of resources on more than a few levels.)

Canada and Mexico Are Helping to Fight California Fires, Contrary to Meme - FactCheck.org

Canada and Mexico have sent firefighting crews to help battle the blazes in the Los Angeles area, and Ukraine also has offered assistance. But social media posts misleadingly claim "$00,000,000" in "foreign aid" has been offered to the U.S. to help with the Southern California disaster.

www.factcheck.org

 

[alang1216]

Yes, it's a shame that's all he ever did.

Oh, wait...

It is what he did best.

 

[alang1216]

You sure as hell didn't mind it when Obama did it for three terms.

Obama was barely worth a million when first elected, now he is still not even close to being a billionaire after writing several books.

 

[2aguy]

I thought you guys liked outsiders leading countries. Trump was a reality TV star.

No....he was also a reality T.V star after being a highly successful global businessman....

 

[alang1216]

No....he was also a reality T.V star after being a highly successful global businessman....

Donald Trump may claim to be a real estate mogul, but the bulk of his net worth comes from his brand value, which he began building in the 1980s. Is that business or show business?

 

[2aguy]

Donald Trump may claim to be a real estate mogul, but the bulk of his net worth comes from his brand value, which he began building in the 1980s. Is that business or show business?

Both.....and he was good at both........

 

[daveman]

"I'm no isolationist"

Whiplash neck crack

"it's not our fight"

I fully support intervention abroad if it supports our national interests. NOTE: Democrats getting richer off of laundered taxpayer money is not in our national interests, despite what they told you.

I'm sure you thought you scored a devastating point, too.

You were wrong.

 

[daveman]

Good gawd you're as brainwashed as a person can be.

The facts on European nations and NATO were dealt with (debunking Trumpisms) back during his first term in office: 2018



and now again:

LeMonde article 2024/02/14/

"I said, 'You didn't pay, you're delinquent [...] No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage [the Russians] to do whatever the hell they want.'" This statement made by Donald Trump at an election rally in South Carolina on Saturday, February 10, has provoked strong reactions worldwide, because it undermines the principle of solidarity between North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) member states.

This charge by the Republican primary candidate against America's NATO allies is nothing new: During his presidential term (2017-2021), Trump had already criticized a supposed lack of balance between allies when it came to funding NATO. Yet by talking about "delinquent" allies and "countries [that] owe us a tremendous amount of money from many years back," the former president is fostering some confusion.

Indeed, NATO's direct funding is not at issue here: The €3.8 billion total budget (for 2024), which ensures the operation of the organization and its military commands, is funded by contributions from its members, proportional to their budgetary capabilities and their military requirements. This aspect does not really cause any problems.

The 2% of GDP guideline​

Trump's attacks have, in fact, referred to NATO's indirect funding, which is far more substantial. As the alliance has no armed forces of its own, its members supply the organization with the troops and equipment needed for its operations, on a voluntary basis. Each country's own defense capacity is therefore called upon to contribute to the organization's capacity.

To measure this contribution, it has been common practice to compare each country's annual defense spending with its national economic wealth, as represented by its gross domestic product (GDP). This is, according to NATO, an "indicator of a country's political will to contribute to NATO's common defence efforts."

Yippee. It's Europe's problem, let them handle it.

Meanwhile, Ukraine is not a NATO member state.

 

[daveman]

You're being ridiculous: "Canada and Mexico have sent firefighting crews to help battle the blazes in the Los Angeles area, and Ukraine also has offered assistance. But social media posts misleadingly claim “$00,000,000” in “foreign aid” has been offered to the U.S. to help with the Southern California disaster."

While other nations have not sent money to assist Southern California, Canada and Mexico have sent firefighting crews to the Los Angeles area, and Ukraine has offered to help fight the fires. (not sure how countries across the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans could help with wild fires and other disasters. Might be a waste of resources on more than a few levels.)

Canada and Mexico Are Helping to Fight California Fires, Contrary to Meme - FactCheck.org

Canada and Mexico have sent firefighting crews to help battle the blazes in the Los Angeles area, and Ukraine also has offered assistance. But social media posts misleadingly claim "$00,000,000" in "foreign aid" has been offered to the U.S. to help with the Southern California disaster.

www.factcheck.org

Good for them. I appreciate their help.

Don't see how that obligates us to fight someone else's war for them, though.

 

[daveman]

It is what he did best.

Yeah, your opinion of his body of work is worthless.

 

[daveman]

Obama was barely worth a million when first elected, now he is still not even close to being a billionaire after writing several books.

How many did you buy to put around your little shrine?

 

[2aguy]

Yippee. It's Europe's problem, let them handle it.

Meanwhile, Ukraine is not a NATO member state.

Trump understands that China is an existential threat to our country, and actually to the rest of the world......they are racist, xenophobic, genocidal, and have more soldiers, money, and technology that Russia........

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It wasn't leftists that got us into Iraq or Afghanistan, it was the neo-conservatives. It wasn't leftists that got us into Vietnam, it was the Red-menace fearing conservatives.

Do you remember the Red-menace fearing conservatives JFK and LBJ? I thought they were Democrats!

 

[alang1216]

Both.....and he was good at both........

He was just adequate at business (would he have more money if he put his daddies money into stocks?) but he was a show business genius, got to give him that.

 

[alang1216]

Yeah, your opinion of his body of work is worthless.

As worthless as yours, of course.

 

[alang1216]

How many did you buy to put around your little shrine?

Zero. There is no Obama cult, sorry to disappoint you.

 

[alang1216]

Do you remember the Red-menace fearing conservatives JFK and LBJ? I thought they were Democrats!

LBJ was a social liberal but I don't think either would be called liberal today based on their foreign policy.

 

[Crepitus]

I fully support intervention abroad if it supports our national interests. NOTE: Democrats getting richer off of laundered taxpayer money is not in our national interests, despite what they told you.

I'm sure you thought you scored a devastating point, too.

You were wrong.

Cool story, bro.

Totally false of course but then you are who you are.