Europe cannot sustain 100,000-strong Ukraine peacekeeping force, former British army chief warns

[The Sage of Main Street]

It would be "wishful thinking" for Russians, and the Russians are, usually, not wishful thinkers. One may say they are "paranoid". They usually believe that there is a rational plan of actions (may be evil, but rational) behind the actions of the state leaders, and its not just incompetence and lack of intellectual capabilities. They do think, that nobody can be that stupid to wake up a Russian bear, without plan of victory or, at least, without any ideas of getting out of conflict without territorial losses. If you started the war, and Russia won the war, Russia will demand something more substantial than a moral satisfaction. They'll demand, say, Scotland.
From the Russian point of view, nobody sends forces just to have them back in coffins, without any plan of further actions, being ready to lose from the very beginning.

• What will the Brits do, after other elimination of their expeditionary forces?" may ask a Russian general one of his officers. And he might answer
• They'll use it as pretext to attack us by their nukes, at the moment they choose and when we are not ready. Looks like their decision-makers already count British population as expendables and our deterrence doesn't work.
• If so, what is the safest plan of our actions?
• The safest plan of other further actions, is, after getting the confirmation that Americans are not really behind it, and if Americans can't stop them by themselves, nuke British nuclear bases (HMNB Clyde) try to attack their last SSBN in the sea, and then declare ultimatum.
• Yes, you are right. Take the plan "Grom-1234", refresh it, add new info and bring it to me at 19-00.

The Bear Is Not Somebody in a Costume

In all the centuries of its existence, Russia has never had a Deep State. Its rule has always been clear and present. So you can't understand what we have to put up with, especially from those brainwashed by the Deep State itself to blame other groups.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

As if anybody will ask you. "Where there's is whip, there's a way".

When Money Talks, the Whip Wilts

The trillions made from trade with Russia will make the whip go limp. Besides, they're so used to having Americans doing their fighting for them that they've lost their ancient military spirit.

Euro Green Science is too backwards to discover any Continental oil, and the race-traitor ruling classes gave away all their oil-rich colonies.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Is it just a stupidity or a sophisticated plan? Nobody can be sure, you know, especially the Russians.

Sophist Double-Talk, Not Sophisticated Planning

Don't overestimate the intelligence of Educated Eunuchs. Our class-biased indentured-servitude "eweniversities" produce only narrow-minded conformists.

This is the simple-minded level of college-educated "thinking": "We fought Germany in World War One, then had to fight them again in World War Two to finish the job. We beat Russia and China in Cold War One, so now we have to finish the job again in Cold War Two."

 

[Zavulon]

The Bear Is Not Somebody in a Costume

In all the centuries of its existence, Russia has never had a Deep State.

Ever heard about Kitezh?

Kitezh - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Or about Surkovs conception of "Deep people"?

Its rule has always been clear and present.

As Lukin said: "Vlast bez tainy eto ne vlast, a prosto nachalstvo". Very roughly it can be translated as "Power without mistery is not power, but mere authority."

Aliens are unpredictable by definition, and that's why I always suggest discuss not intentions, but capabilities.

 

[justoffal]

Europe cannot sustain massive Ukraine peacekeeping force, former army chief warns

General Lord Richards called for Nato countries to be ‘very grown up’ and ‘live within what is physically and militarily possible’

www.the-independent.com

European nations would have to send at least 100,000 troops to keep the peace in Ukraine and “none of them can do it”, a former head of the British armed forces has warned.

General Lord Richards called for Nato countries to be “very grown up” and “live within what is physically and militarily possible”, rather than “what our political leaders sometimes would aspire to do”.


The former chief of the defence staff warned it is “inevitable” that Russia will seek to test any defence force placed in Ukraine in the event of a deal to end the war. “If we send troops, they will be tested, and they have to robustly be able to defend themselves,” Lord Richards told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

He said given the size of the border between Russia and Ukraine a force of 100,000 to 200,000 troops would be needed. He added that these troops would need to be rotated, which could singificantly increase the number number that would be required to maintain the presence.

“The idea you are going to send a few peacekeepers with berets to reassure the Ukrainians is crass,” Lord Richards said. “We are talking, to do it robustly, 100,000 troops overall, drawn from European nations. None of them can do it,” he added.

He instead called for Britain to put the Ukrainians in a position to defend themselves after any peace deal with a “massive increase in support”.

It is not that NATO can't, just that they don't want to expend the funds to do so; why would you/they do so, when Uncle Sugar steps up with the necessary funds.

Europe is notorious for having "alligator arms" when it comes time to pay a bill.

The USA should contribute it fair share of NATO, and no more; and let the rest of NATO pick up the slack.

Hey, maybe they can draft all those military ages males they let immigrate.

Tough shit....
Let them shut up then...

Jo

 

[Scoutster]

1 to 200k troops to protect Ukraine.

Or a dozen good ole boys from the south with a couple cases of beer. I'd say that is the equivalent of Europe's ability to defend themselves.

 

[skye]

 

[Deadstick]

Tough shit....
Let them shut up then...

Jo

The scumbags don't know how to shut up they are still looking back to the good old days of Colonialism.

 

[CowboyTed]

Here's a crazy ******* idea. Tell Ukraine they're on their own and move on. Their border war isn't anyone else's problem and the ONLY reason it became America's burden was so that BILLIONS could be laundered back to the Washington Cartel.

Anf the Budapest Memorandium signed by US...

You do know US is committed to the soverignity of Ukraine.

 

[Z99]

Anf the Budapest Memorandium signed by US...

You do know US is committed to the soverignity of Ukraine.

**** that. Americans that want to die for Ukraine are welcome to do so.

 

[excalibur]

The British Army can't even field two full combat divisions.

 

[Ringo]

 

[Captain Caveman]

Europe cannot sustain massive Ukraine peacekeeping force, former army chief warns

General Lord Richards called for Nato countries to be ‘very grown up’ and ‘live within what is physically and militarily possible’

www.the-independent.com

European nations would have to send at least 100,000 troops to keep the peace in Ukraine and “none of them can do it”, a former head of the British armed forces has warned.

General Lord Richards called for Nato countries to be “very grown up” and “live within what is physically and militarily possible”, rather than “what our political leaders sometimes would aspire to do”.


The former chief of the defence staff warned it is “inevitable” that Russia will seek to test any defence force placed in Ukraine in the event of a deal to end the war. “If we send troops, they will be tested, and they have to robustly be able to defend themselves,” Lord Richards told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

He said given the size of the border between Russia and Ukraine a force of 100,000 to 200,000 troops would be needed. He added that these troops would need to be rotated, which could singificantly increase the number number that would be required to maintain the presence.

“The idea you are going to send a few peacekeepers with berets to reassure the Ukrainians is crass,” Lord Richards said. “We are talking, to do it robustly, 100,000 troops overall, drawn from European nations. None of them can do it,” he added.

He instead called for Britain to put the Ukrainians in a position to defend themselves after any peace deal with a “massive increase in support”.

It is not that NATO can't, just that they don't want to expend the funds to do so; why would you/they do so, when Uncle Sugar steps up with the necessary funds.

Europe is notorious for having "alligator arms" when it comes time to pay a bill.

The USA should contribute it fair share of NATO, and no more; and let the rest of NATO pick up the slack.

Hey, maybe they can draft all those military ages males they let immigrate.

Just the General's opinion.

 

[zaangalewa]

Europe cannot sustain massive Ukraine peacekeeping force, former army chief warns

General Lord Richards called for Nato countries to be ‘very grown up’ and ‘live within what is physically and militarily possible’

www.the-independent.com

European nations would have to send at least 100,000 troops to keep the peace in Ukraine and “none of them can do it”, a former head of the British armed forces has warned.

General Lord Richards called for Nato countries to be “very grown up” and “live within what is physically and militarily possible”, rather than “what our political leaders sometimes would aspire to do”.


The former chief of the defence staff warned it is “inevitable” that Russia will seek to test any defence force placed in Ukraine in the event of a deal to end the war. “If we send troops, they will be tested, and they have to robustly be able to defend themselves,” Lord Richards told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

He said given the size of the border between Russia and Ukraine a force of 100,000 to 200,000 troops would be needed. He added that these troops would need to be rotated, which could singificantly increase the number number that would be required to maintain the presence.

“The idea you are going to send a few peacekeepers with berets to reassure the Ukrainians is crass,” Lord Richards said. “We are talking, to do it robustly, 100,000 troops overall, drawn from European nations. None of them can do it,” he added.

He instead called for Britain to put the Ukrainians in a position to defend themselves after any peace deal with a “massive increase in support”.

It is not that NATO can't, just that they don't want to expend the funds to do so; why would you/they do so, when Uncle Sugar steps up with the necessary funds.

Europe is notorious for having "alligator arms" when it comes time to pay a bill.#

This man is totally stupid. Which bill?

The USA should contribute it fair share of NATO, and no more; and let the rest of NATO pick up the slack.

This is a clear statement to leave the NATO.

Hey, maybe they can draft all those military ages males they let immigrate.

Eh? Who is Baron Richards of Herstmonceux? What qualifies this noble to be stupid, to hate Europe and to be a slave of Trump and Putin? What a luck that Elizabeth, the Queen of England, and her husband Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark have not to listen to such an anti-British and anti-European bullshit any longer. To be dead is perhaps sometimes really funny.

 

[zaangalewa]

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A wonderful picture. Europe is simply more different than anyone thinks. It has always been different and will hopefully always be different. It is not in vain that the peaceful Danube is the river on which most different cultures and ethnic groups live.

But we might have to think about the drive principle. We would need a fairly long extension cable when the battery is low.

 

[zaangalewa]

Yes. That is exactly what I mean. And if so, the safest strategy for Russia is to strike first,

"To strike first" is safe and criminal. You started about three years ago a stupid, senseless and criminal war on Europe in the Ukraine. Leave the Ukraine with all of your soldiers. Yesterday.

Three years are by the way a lot of days - more than 1001 lost chances - where you easily had been able to end this war without to destroy Russia. But is Russia still Russia or did China sell it ... or buy it?

 

[Zavulon]

"To strike first" is safe and criminal.

Elimination of Krauts isn't a crime, for Krauts are not human beings. Are you?

You started about three years ago a stupid, senseless and criminal war on Europe in the Ukraine. Leave the Ukraine with all of your soldiers. Yesterday.

No. Leave Europe and try to hide in Argentina, Antarctica, or even back side of the moon. We'll find you and eliminate you anyway.

 

[Polishprince]

That's of course just bullshit.

France had an army of more than a million during the Napoleonic wars, Germany had millions as well in the 20th Century.

All of these Eurotrash countries have money to waste on Socialized Medicine and other risky schemes.

They should have no problem sending cannon fodder to the Killing Fields of Ukraine.

 

[zaangalewa]

Elimination of Krauts isn't a crime, for Krauts are not human beings. Are you? ...

Not for Russians as you made clear, Russian or US-Russian. ... Could be interesting to know how many Russians do see in you a Russian high traitor. It would be a pitty to have to kill the wrong Russians and to let live criminals like you.

 

[zaangalewa]

That's of course just bullshit.

France had an army of more than a million during the Napoleonic wars, Germany had millions as well in the 20th Century.

All of these Eurotrash countries have money to waste on Socialized Medicine and other risky schemes.

They should have no problem sending cannon fodder to the Killing Fields of Ukraine.

Superidiot, we could have also no problem to do suicide and to wipe out as well Europe, the USA, China and Russia - if this will be the last chance for all mankind and/or all life on planet Earth to survive. Now continue to go on your superstupid way into the 19th, 18th, 17th or whatever else century in which you do not live in reality.



Another night, one of the far too many
In which once again sleep will not come
And, as so often before, you are drawn against your will
Into the dark streets without a specific destination
And carelessly, as if it were a ball of paper
With your feet a dead pigeon in front of you
The girls stand waiting on the wall by the railway
They know you and haven't spoken to you for a long time
The man there stays in the shade, pretending to read
And only dares to come out when your footsteps have faded away

Some of those you meet here are like you, are alone
Some because they have no one, others want to be alone
And they don't look at you, feel their way past you
And yet they do a poor job of hiding their grief, their fear
As if their loneliness is already an offence

And in every bar at night you see on your way
Many strange men, full glasses in their hands
They don't want to lay their heads on the grease spot
Which, above every shabby hotel bed, on the wall
From the heads of many hundreds of other men
Who lay here before them and how they were condemned
Drinking so that the barmaid speaks a word to them
With whom they would not show themselves, not in daylight
She knows that too, without revealing it
But surely she won't let any of them into her bed

Some you meet here are like you, are alone
Some because they have no one, others want to be alone
And they don't look at you, feel their way past you
And yet they do a poor job of hiding their mistrust, their fear
As if their loneliness were already an offence

And at the urinal, where the hustlers are waiting again
Under bushes and trees you've never seen so dark
You turn round again and avoid this garden
Because you still have an image in your mind's eye from before
The gay old man, early in the morning in the pansy patch
His head smashed in and turned on his stomach
His brains sucked up by the flowers during the night
He lay there without trousers, all skinny and exhausted
From a life of misery, like his death so grey
And his toupee still hung in the thorn bush, wet with blood and dew

Some of those you meet here are like you, are alone
Some because they have no one, others want to be alone
And they don't look at you, feel their way past you
And yet they do a poor job of hiding their grief, their fear
As if their loneliness were already an offence

Even in the waiting room, drunken men are dozing now
Talking to themselves, always the same sentence
You, too, sit down at the table with that bum in defence
He finds his warm place here every night
Fresh scars, days-old dirt almost cover
The tattoo on his wrist from prison
Slumped over on the table, like most people here
His head in a pool of red wine, snot and beer
You wonder how he can sleep so bent, bent and crooked
Can still sleep and you envy him for it
Some you meet here are like you, are alone
Some because they have no one, others want to be alone
And they don't look at you, feel their way past you
And yet they do a poor job of hiding their mistrust, their fear
As if their loneliness is already an offence

You sit there and gradually begin to dream yourself
See yourself as a sick pigeon that barely moves
Far from the air and the sun and the tall trees
Lying down to die in the air shaft of a house
And from the dreary window holes above your grave
Sputum and stench fall down on you all the time
Noises you hear as your life force ebbs away
Of which rattling, spitting, swearing are not the worst
But high above you, you can see a bright square
A piece of heaven, a piece of hope, you're already moving your toes
Stand up, flap your wings and wake up trying to
To fight your way up to the spot that is called life for you
Which only looks like an often-used handkerchief

Some of those you meet here are like you, are alone
Some because they have no one, others want to be alone
And they don't look at you, feel their way past you
And yet they do a poor job of hiding their grief, their fear
As if their loneliness were already an offence