Europe and Russia are seemingly approaching war as ships are raid, plots are foiled.

[CrusaderFrank]

Ah yes, Putin is a great leader that attacked a smaller and much less populous nation and is proceeding to get his ass kicked. The Russian people are suffering for his idiocy, no gas, groceries becoming rare, and over a million casualties in his army. In the meantime the Russian population demographics are plummeting. Way to go, Great Leader.

Maiden Accords

NATO moved East to Russias doorstep in Ukraine

We had Bioweapon labs in Ukraine

Ukrainian actual WWII type Nazis were killing Russian nationals in Donbass

Ukraine sought to ban Russian language and religion…

But Putin started it?

Are you sure?

 

[Yarddog]

No point debating with a fact free post

Have fun

"Putin is a better leader for his country than almost everyone in the west, Trump included."


I didnt exactly see you attaching Informational LINKS to your editorial here. It's subjective to say the least.

 

[AZrailwhale]

No point debating with a fact free post

Have fun

Looks pretty accurate to me.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Maiden Accords

NATO moved East to Russias doorstep in Ukraine

We had Bioweapon labs in Ukraine

Ukrainian actual WWII type Nazis were killing Russian nationals in Donbass

Ukraine sought to ban Russian language and religion…

But Putin started it?

Are you sure?

1) the former members of the Warsaw Pact moved west to escape Russian aggression.
2) we didn’t have any bio weapons labs anywhere.
3) Ukrainian troops were fighting a civil war with Ukrainian citizens backed by Russian troops “loaned” to the rebels,
4) Ukraine is able to establish a national language.
None of those things were any causes belli for Russia.

 

[Rogue AI]

NATO is a Cold War relic that needs to be put to rest. Time for Europe to put on their big boy pants and handle their own problems. None of it is anything of interest to us.

 

[Nobody911]

Trump acted like Pinocchio; he couldn't stop the Ukraine war. Yes, Trump is now untrustworthy!

NATO and Russia are not currently in a direct declared war, but there is a state of intense conflict and confrontation, especially driven by Russia's ongoing full-scale invasion of Ukraine and increasing hybrid warfare tactics targeting NATO countries. Russia remains bogged down in Ukraine, making a large-scale war against NATO unlikely at the moment, but provocations such as drone incursions, sabotage, and cyber attacks have escalated tensions, with European leaders and NATO officials warning about a kind of hybrid or undeclared war being waged by Russia against NATO states.

The conflict dynamics are centered on Russia's aims in Ukraine and its broader geopolitical struggle against the West, with NATO focusing heavily on deterrence and defense readiness, including reinforcing its eastern flank. Many experts assess that NATO holds a substantial technological, organizational, and military advantage, which would likely lead to a NATO victory in a conventional war scenario. However, the risk of escalation to nuclear weapons remains a grave danger in any full confrontation.

In summary:

Russia and NATO are not officially at war but are engaged in a growing hybrid conflict and escalated tensions.

Russia is heavily engaged in Ukraine, limiting its capacity for direct NATO conflict currently.

NATO is strengthening defenses and preparing for possible future threats from Russia.

Analysts generally view NATO as likely to prevail in a conventional war due to superior military capabilities.

The conflict remains highly dangerous due to nuclear risk and hybrid warfare escalation.

This summary is based on multiple reports and expert analyses from 2025 regarding the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war, NATO-Russia tensions, and military assessments of the balance of power. dgap+6

sources:

1. Zapad-2025 and Russia’s War Planning
2. NATO warned ‘This is war’ with Russia as ships raided, plots foiled: follow live
3. Russia’s War in Ukraine: The Next Chapter
4. 2025 - 013 DSC 25 E - NATO'S FUTURE RUSSIA STRATEGY - PATTERSON REPORT | NATO PA
5. Russia vs. Nato: who would win in a war?
6. Putin warns of harsh response to ‘Europe’s militarisation’
7. NATO is unprepared for the growing threat posed by Putin’s Russia
8. Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, October 1, 2025
9.
10. https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/27/europe/putin-hybrid-war-europe-risks-intl
11.
12. The NATO-Russia War of 2025: Who Wins?
13. What is the endgame here? Russia is outclassed by NATO both economically and mil... | Hacker News

 

[Muhammed]

Bullshit. The only side that Trump knows is the one that pays Trump.

^

 

[Meathead]

Trump is the guy that got NATO "the 1st line defense against Russia in Europe " to more than double their defense spending !

Ya gotta do some rhetorical gymnastics and contortions to explain that one.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

1) the former members of the Warsaw Pact moved west to escape Russian aggression.
2) we didn’t have any bio weapons labs anywhere.
3) Ukrainian troops were fighting a civil war with Ukrainian citizens backed by Russian troops “loaned” to the rebels,
4) Ukraine is able to establish a national language.
None of those things were any causes belli for Russia.

1) what Russian aggression? Where?
2) Victoria Nuland admitted as much. So dangerous they had to be removed IMMEDIATELY
3) They voted OVERWHELMINGLY to rejoin Russia
4) a little ethnic cleansing never hurt anyone

Ukraine lost half their population, most of their young men and damaged US credibility

 

[kyzr]

1) what Russian aggression? Where?

Fomenting violence in Russian speaking Donbas, also took Crimea by force. Putin was looking to expand wherever Russian speakers could be used as a pretext.

2) Victoria Nuland admitted as much. So dangerous they had to be removed IMMEDIATELY

Senator Rubio Questions Undersecretary Nuland Over Biolabs in Ukraine

During her testimony in front of the Senate Foreign Relations committee about the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland answers a question from Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) about whether or not Ukraine has chemical or biological weapons. She...

www.c-span.org

3) They voted OVERWHELMINGLY to rejoin Russia

The 2014 lines made that a non-issue.
The Maidan Revolt made it clear that Ukraine preferred joing NATO to being a Russian puppet.

4) a little ethnic cleansing never hurt anyone

Bullshit. Ukrainian sovereignty could be enforced over Russian supported separatists.

Ukraine lost half their population, most of their young men and damaged US credibility

Ukraine is still kicking Russia's ass in Putin's 3-day war, now 4-years old, tick-tock...

 

[JimH52]

That is not true. They have the pieces of those drones, and they were Russian. Plus the damaging of communication lines in the ocean is not accidental. Russia is playing a dangerous game of seeing how far they can push Europe and the US. Fortunately Europe has leaders with cajones, unlike our present leadership.

I think trump is purposefully ignoring Poootin's march to war. The Europeons cannot count on the US to come to their aid if Russia attacks a NATO country, You know TACO is one of Poootin's b*tches.

 

[SweetTea]

I think many of these MAGAts wear a swastika on one sleeve and a hammer and sickle on the other.

Meanwhile, Democrats are electing Socialists in this country. In case you didn’t know, Socialism and Communism are siblings borne from Marxism.

 

[AZrailwhale]

1) what Russian aggression? Where?
2) Victoria Nuland admitted as much. So dangerous they had to be removed IMMEDIATELY
3) They voted OVERWHELMINGLY to rejoin Russia
4) a little ethnic cleansing never hurt anyone

Ukraine lost half their population, most of their young men and damaged US credibility

1) Oh, Georgia, Ukraine and Chechnya in modern times all invaded for no real cause except Russian will. Go back to 1944 and it was all of Eastern Europe, the Baltics and the Balkans that were invaded, conquered and ruled as satrapies by Russia. NONE OF THEM are willing to be ruled by the Russian Bear again and joining NATO is their only defense against Russia absentmindedly gobbling all or part of them at will.

2) Expand, I don't know what you are talking about.

3) Yeah right. In Russian supervised one-party elections at bayonet point WITH all the Russian "volunteer" troops casting votes. Not exactly unbiased elections.

 

[marvin martian]

MSN

www.msn.com

What to Know:

• Tusk said Poland shot down Russian drones violating its airspace in early September.
• He warned that incidents near Polish infrastructure—including ports and pipelines—are happening “almost every day.”
• Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen called the situation a “hybrid war” targeting NATO allies.
• German forces raided the Russian vessel Scanlark, uncovering evidence of drone launches and sabotage.
• French commandos arrested crew members of the suspected “shadow fleet” tanker Borocay in Saint-Nazaire.
• Polish authorities detained a GRU suspect accused of burying explosive-packed cans in Łódź cemeteries.
• Drone disruptions in Denmark, Norway, and Germany remain under investigation, with Russia as the prime suspect.
• Russia denies all allegations and claims it does not seek conflict with Europe.
• Tusk emphasized Ukraine’s role in the broader conflict: “If Ukraine loses, it will mean our defeat.”

So, who will trump support if they go to war? Or will he sit on the sidelines and waits to see who comes out on top. He adoration for Putin is obvious. He wishes, and is pursuing, an iron hand of command over the citizenry. A war between NATO and Russia may make him show his hand. What do you think? I remind you, trump does not feel bound by any policies or laws. He has illustrated that over and over.

It's about time the Eurocucks pulled up their pants and started defending their own countries.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

1) Oh, Georgia, Ukraine and Chechnya in modern times all invaded for no real cause except Russian will. Go back to 1944 and it was all of Eastern Europe, the Baltics and the Balkans that were invaded, conquered and ruled as satrapies by Russia. NONE OF THEM are willing to be ruled by the Russian Bear again and joining NATO is their only defense against Russia absentmindedly gobbling all or part of them at will.

2) Expand, I don't know what you are talking about.

3) Yeah right. In Russian supervised one-party elections at bayonet point WITH all the Russian "volunteer" troops casting votes. Not exactly unbiased elections.

Can we agree that since the dissolution of USSR, NATO has been relentlessly pushing eastward?

 

[yidnar]

Ya gotta do some rhetorical gymnastics and contortions to explain that one.

AI Overview


Former NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg and his successor Mark Rutte have both publicly credited Donald Trump for his role in pushing NATO allies to increase their military spending
. This recognition was a significant moment for the alliance, which had seen spending decline for years before Trump took office.
Stoltenberg's comments
During Trump's presidency, then-NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg credited him on multiple occasions for galvanizing allies to invest more in their own defense.

 

[yidnar]

MSN

www.msn.com

What to Know:

• Tusk said Poland shot down Russian drones violating its airspace in early September.
• He warned that incidents near Polish infrastructure—including ports and pipelines—are happening “almost every day.”
• Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen called the situation a “hybrid war” targeting NATO allies.
• German forces raided the Russian vessel Scanlark, uncovering evidence of drone launches and sabotage.
• French commandos arrested crew members of the suspected “shadow fleet” tanker Borocay in Saint-Nazaire.
• Polish authorities detained a GRU suspect accused of burying explosive-packed cans in Łódź cemeteries.
• Drone disruptions in Denmark, Norway, and Germany remain under investigation, with Russia as the prime suspect.
• Russia denies all allegations and claims it does not seek conflict with Europe.
• Tusk emphasized Ukraine’s role in the broader conflict: “If Ukraine loses, it will mean our defeat.”

So, who will trump support if they go to war? Or will he sit on the sidelines and waits to see who comes out on top. He adoration for Putin is obvious. He wishes, and is pursuing, an iron hand of command over the citizenry. A war between NATO and Russia may make him show his hand. What do you think? I remind you, trump does not feel bound by any policies or laws. He has illustrated that over and over.

AI Overview


Former NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg and his successor Mark Rutte have both publicly credited Donald Trump for his role in pushing NATO allies to increase their military spending
. This recognition was a significant moment for the alliance, which had seen spending decline for years before Trump took office.
Stoltenberg's comments
During Trump's presidency, then-NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg credited him on multiple occasions for galvanizing allies to invest more in their own defense.

 

[Doc7505]

MSN

www.msn.com

What to Know:

• Tusk said Poland shot down Russian drones violating its airspace in early September.
• He warned that incidents near Polish infrastructure—including ports and pipelines—are happening “almost every day.”
• Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen called the situation a “hybrid war” targeting NATO allies.
• German forces raided the Russian vessel Scanlark, uncovering evidence of drone launches and sabotage.
• French commandos arrested crew members of the suspected “shadow fleet” tanker Borocay in Saint-Nazaire.
• Polish authorities detained a GRU suspect accused of burying explosive-packed cans in Łódź cemeteries.
• Drone disruptions in Denmark, Norway, and Germany remain under investigation, with Russia as the prime suspect.
• Russia denies all allegations and claims it does not seek conflict with Europe.
• Tusk emphasized Ukraine’s role in the broader conflict: “If Ukraine loses, it will mean our defeat.”

So, who will trump support if they go to war? Or will he sit on the sidelines and waits to see who comes out on top. He adoration for Putin is obvious. He wishes, and is pursuing, an iron hand of command over the citizenry. A war between NATO and Russia may make him show his hand. What do you think? I remind you, trump does not feel bound by any policies or laws. He has illustrated that over and over.

~~~~~~>
Why would Trump support NATO and then partner with Putin and Russia?
There's no logic in your premise.

 

[Meathead]

~~~~~~>
Why would Trump support NATO and then partner with Putin and Russia.
There's no logic in your premise.

Real headscratcher too.

 

[yidnar]

~~~~~~>
Why would Trump support NATO and then partner with Putin and Russia.
There's no logic in your premise.

the concept of logic is anathema to the leftwing mindset and messaging ..