Epstein = Pizzagate

[Correll]

My claim was that Trump failed to drain the swamp in DC.

You made teh claim that his base was built on the premise that he was the best to fight the swamp.

I pointed out that that was incorrect, and informed you and any readers, the truth, ie that his base was built on serious and valid policy positions on TRADE and IMMIGRATION.

So far, I haven't seen any evidence that you have seriously addressed that claim.

Trump's 2016 campaign was based on three simplistic slogans for his simple-minded cult:

https://www.npr.org/2017/04/26/5255...he-swamp-lagging-behind-his-campaign-rhetoric

"President Trump's campaign rallies were defined by three slogans, three syllables each, which the candidate led the crowd in chanting: 'Build the wall,' condemning illegal immigration; 'Lock her up,' attacking Democratic rival Hillary Clinton; and 'Drain the swamp,' all about cleaning up Washington."

You are claiming that his campaign was based on slogans. That is not true. He has real and important i

Trump is the most corrupt parasite to ever inhabit the White House; anyone paying attention knows it.​

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Donald Trump’s disapproval rating breaks new record

"Donald Trump’s Disapproval Rating Breaks New Record."​

This is becoming a standard lefty response to any reference to Trump's shockingly good policy results, ie to cite POLLS, showing a drop in support.


IF, Trump is really having a drop in support as the economy booms and crime drops, I would think the obvious question would be why is that?


The idea that a good job is punished by a loss of support, is a PROBLEM, not something to be proud of.

 

[MisterBeale]

 

[MisterBeale]

 

[Correll]

I'm assuming nothing.
You are.
Too much MAGA?

There was an allegation, you cited.

There was no supporting evidence to the allegation. NOthing describing the accusser as being credible.

Yet, you are acting as though the accusation is a fact.

You did nothing to explain how you came to that conclusion.


It looks like you just assumed that it was true, because it serves your immediate partisan purpose to pretend that.


I note that in response to my previous post, you still have done NOTHING to explain how you came to your conclusion or to offer support for your "analysis".


So, so far, the money shot from the epstein files, for the left, is that Trump was on a plane at the same time as a twenty year old woman.


Whoop, Dee, Freaking Doo.

 

[Correll]

I never said you did.

You brought the name Hunter Biden into our discussion probably as a clumsy attempt at distracting from Trump's Epstein friendship.

Relationship of Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein - Wikipedia

I brought up the actions of the fbi and cia in the Hunter Laptop Coverup as an example of the Deep State in action.


That you need to lie about my clearly stated motive in that, is you realizing that my example was strong and does in fact, prove the existence of the "Deep State".


Also, you are an asshole.

 

[Correll]

How could that be appropriate in a thread entitled "Epstein=Pizzagate"?

If you want to explorer the 2020 election, start another thread.

If I recall correctly, you made some reference to the Deep State, trying to dismiss the maga movement, and I responded to that, citing, imo, the strongest and clearest evidence of the Deep State.

I don't want to derail the thread. It was not an attempt to change the subject, just making the point that the Deep State is clearly real and anyone denying it at this point, is either deeply ignorant, or actively dishonest.


Have I ever pointed out what a dishonest assholey you are? Because you so clearly are.

 

[Correll]

Is the following an example of how you believe a deep state functions?

"While the Trump administration is engaging in mass firings, purging Justice Department agents and attorneys, and strangling federal agencies like USAID, the Environmental Protection Agency, and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, teams of what have been referred to as 'MAGA commissars' have been fanning out across federal agencies to screen applicants for government positions for complete and unwavering loyalty—not to the United States, but to Donald John Trump."

Trump Is Creating a Deep State | Opinion

No, that is how one FIGHTS a deep state. Purging the government and staffing it with people that are NOT loyal to the deep state.


It is worth noting that these purges and staff changes are still small corrections compared to the long term work of lefty hiring and firing practices.

Give us another 8 years of VANCE after Trump, with full control of congress and then let's check on the state of the government.


That would be a more fair comparison.

 

[MisterBeale]

 

[MisterBeale]

 

[MisterBeale]

 

[MisterBeale]

 

[MisterBeale]

 

[MisterBeale]

 

[georgephillip]

ou made teh claim that his base was built on the premise that he was the best to fight the swamp.

I pointed out that that was incorrect, and informed you and any readers, the truth, ie that his base was built on serious and valid policy positions on TRADE and IMMIGRATION.

Can you point to specific examples of Trump's alleged "...serious and valid policy positions on TRADE and IMMIGRATION"?

"Drain the Swamp was a central slogan in Trump's 2016 campaign; he framed both major parties as captured by special interests, and suggested systemic corruption rather than isolated malfeasance.

He lied about how his personal wealth immunized him from being bought by corrupt elements.

How did he actually govern?

Chat GPT: "What are some examples of Trump family corruption during his first term"?

. "Trump Organization Profiting from Government and Foreign Spending​

"Issue: Trump retained ownership of his businesses while in office (placing them in a revocable trust controlled by his sons).


"Critics argue:

• "Foreign governments, U.S. political groups, and federal agencies spent money at Trump-owned properties (e.g., Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C.).This created potential violations of the Constitution’s Emoluments Clauses (which restrict federal officials from receiving benefits from foreign states or additional domestic payments).

Ivanka Trump's Chinese trademarks, Jared Kushner's foreign contact and security clearance override including Qatar and 666 Fifth Avenue did not come as surprises to anyone who bothered to research Trump's long history of racist and corrupt business practices prior to him becoming a Republican and running for POTUS.

 

[TimFitz]

You made teh claim that his base was built on the premise that he was the best to fight the swamp.

I pointed out that that was incorrect, and informed you and any readers, the truth, ie that his base was built on serious and valid policy positions on TRADE and IMMIGRATION.





You are claiming that his campaign was based on slogans. That is not true. He has real and important i



This is becoming a standard lefty response to any reference to Trump's shockingly good policy results, ie to cite POLLS, showing a drop in support.


IF, Trump is really having a drop in support as the economy booms and crime drops, I would think the obvious question would be why is that?


The idea that a good job is punished by a loss of support, is a PROBLEM, not something to be proud of.

“IF, Trump is really having a drop in support as the economy booms and crime drops, I would think the obvious question would be why is that?”

it’s because people do not want the US to become the corrupt facist police state that Trump nation years for.

 

[TimFitz]

Can you point to specific examples of Trump's alleged "...serious and valid policy positions on TRADE and IMMIGRATION"?

"Drain the Swamp was a central slogan in Trump's 2016 campaign; he framed both major parties as captured by special interests, and suggested systemic corruption rather than isolated malfeasance.

He lied about how his personal wealth immunized him from being bought by corrupt elements.

How did he actually govern?

Chat GPT: "What are some examples of Trump family corruption during his first term"?

. "Trump Organization Profiting from Government and Foreign Spending​

"Issue: Trump retained ownership of his businesses while in office (placing them in a revocable trust controlled by his sons).


"Critics argue:

• "Foreign governments, U.S. political groups, and federal agencies spent money at Trump-owned properties (e.g., Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C.).This created potential violations of the Constitution’s Emoluments Clauses (which restrict federal officials from receiving benefits from foreign states or additional domestic payments).

Ivanka Trump's Chinese trademarks, Jared Kushner's foreign contact and security clearance override including Qatar and 666 Fifth Avenue did not come as surprises to anyone who bothered to research Trump's long history of racist and corrupt business practices prior to him becoming a Republican and running for POTUS.

666 Fifth? I may have missed something. We all do know that Donald and Jared engineered a deal to bail Jared out of one of the worst deals in New York real estate history!

 

[georgephillip]

IF, Trump is really having a drop in support as the economy booms and crime drops, I would think the obvious question would be why is that?


The idea that a good job is punished by a loss of support, is a PROBLEM, not something to be proud of.

Trump is not doing a good job for anyone except the richest one percent; he's perpetrating and hoping to profit from a genocide in Gaza, threatening another war on Iran, increasing tariffs that impact consumer prices, inflicting armed, masked racists on non-White communities who reject his version of making America great again.

A January 2026 CNN/SSRS found 58% of US adults rated 2025 as a failure, while 42% viewed it as a success.

Trump was a failure as a Democrat and changing parties hasn't changed his inability to lead.

 

[Delldude]

Trump is not doing a good job for anyone except the richest one percent; he's perpetrating and hoping to profit from a genocide in Gaza, threatening another war on Iran, increasing tariffs that impact consumer prices, inflicting armed, masked racists on non-White communities who reject his version of making America great again.

What's the source of all the problems in the ME.

Four letters.

 

[georgephillip]

There was an allegation, you cited.

There was no supporting evidence to the allegation. NOthing describing the accusser as being credible.

Yet, you are acting as though the accusation is a fact.

You did nothing to explain how you came to that conclusion.


It looks like you just assumed that it was true, because it serves your immediate partisan purpose to pretend that.


I note that in response to my previous post, you still have done NOTHING to explain how you came to your conclusion or to offer support for your "analysis".


So, so far, the money shot from the epstein files, for the left, is that Trump was on a plane at the same time as a twenty year old woman.


Whoop, Dee, Freaking Doo.

So, since an allegation was made, you are assuming that it really happened...

Fasinating.

You lefties, you don't really THINK anymore, do you.

I reported a claim made against Trump without making any assumption about its accuracy:

Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations - Wikipedia

"Katie Johnson/Jane Doe (1994)​

"In April 2016, an anonymous woman using the pseudonym 'Katie Johnson' filed a lawsuit in California accusing both Trump and Jeffrey Epstein of forcibly raping her when she was 13 years old at underage sex parties at Epstein's Manhattan residence in 1994.

"The case was dismissed the following month."

While Katie Johnson has (been?) disappeared, video evidence of her allegations may exist somewhere in FBI vaults.

If so, Americans deserve to know, right?

 

[georgephillip]

I brought up the actions of the fbi and cia in the Hunter Laptop Coverup as an example of the Deep State in action.


That you need to lie about my clearly stated motive in that, is you realizing that my example was strong and does in fact, prove the existence of the "Deep State".


Also, you are an asshole.

I never had any doubts about the existence of the deep state. I simply pointed out Trump and his billionaire cabinet are part of it.