"Epstein List" is a distraction from the REAL issue about Epstein

Here is a local story from earlier this year that lays it out pretty well.....

https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/politics-government/article301174364.html


What is still secret?​


Epstein’s computers, part 1: When Palm Beach police executed a search at Epstein’s Palm Beach home in 2005, they found wires dangling from computer monitors indicating that some of them had been removed in advance of police. Those that remained contained no information of value to the case. It was later learned that Epstein’s lawyers had possession of his computers. While they are mentioned in federal documents, there is no indication that the FBI was ever able to get their hands on them. All the items, including photos, videos and computers, seized during the 2005 search were returned to Epstein after he pleaded guilty to minor sex charges in 2008.


Epstein’s computers, part 2: FBI agents raided Epstein’s Manhattan mansion in 2019 and seized computers, but it is still not known what was contained on the devices — or even if the FBI examined them. A search was also conducted of Epstein US Virgin Islands property, but it occurred weeks after his arrest. Sources on the island told the Herald in 2019 that Epstein’s employees removed boxes of computers and video equipment before the FBI search was conducted.


The FBI’s Vault: The FBI releases files on it’s website in a portal it calls its “vault.” As a result of litigation by the website Radar Online, the FBI released tens of thousands of pages from 2007 to 2008. However the bulk of those documents have been blacked out. The lawyers for Radar online are still litigating the redactions, and the case now is being reviewed by New York’s Second Circuit Court of Appeals.


The Ghislaine Maxwell Prosecution: Handled by prosecutors with the Southern District of New York, the case files are thought to include hundreds of pages of evidence. Thus far, the FBI and SDNY have denied the Herald’s and other media outlets’ FOIA requests for the material.

Video cameras: Epstein kept video cameras in most of his residences. Contrary to rumors, Epstein’s brother claims these cameras were used solely for security purposes — not to spy on people. However, several of Epstein’s victims claimed that Epstein filmed sexual encounters to use as blackmail against famous figures. No one, however, has actually said they’ve seen any videos.

The “Client List”: There is no evidence that Epstein kept a client list. None of his employees, his victims or people in his orbit have mentioned a list of people who were involved in his sex trafficking operation.

U.S. Marshals Service records: Federal marshals were charged with inspecting Epstein’s plane when it arrived from overseas. A special form was used to record the names of his passengers upon arrival at airports in New York and the USVI. The Marshals service, which is under the umbrella of the Department of Homeland Security, released some of these forms pursuant to a FOIA request by the Herald in 2019, but other than Epstein’s name, the forms were completely redacted.

FAA records: The Federal Aviation Administration keeps records of where planes fly. The FAA has released some, but not all, of the information it has on Epstein’s planes. Epstein owned several different planes during his lifetime and the records could help corroborate other evidence about Epstein’s personal and business exploits.

The USVI evidence: the former attorney general for the U.S. Virgin Islands filed a civil racketeering lawsuit against Epstein’s estate after the financier’s death, alleging that he used his USVI business as a shell company to conduct his illegal activities, including child sex trafficking at his island home. The case was settled out of court and the evidence has never been made public.

Federal Grand Jury evidence: At least two federal grand juries were convened over the years to hear Epstein testimony and/or evidence. Little is known about what was presented, as grand jury cases are held in secret.

Epstein’s death investigation: Neither Epstein’s autopsy nor the report of the investigation into his death has ever been made public. Among the outstanding questions is: Were the inmates in the cells next to him or near him ever interviewed?

Epstein’s finances and his business relationships: Many questions remain about how Epstein made his fortune. It’s not clear whether the FBI ever investigated Epstein’s banking and business affairs, particularly his dealings with other wealthy men who have been accused of having sex with some of his victims.
 
So crimes against anyone else doesn't matter?

A woman who accused Donald Trump of raping her two decades ago when she was a 13-year-old aspiring teen model has again dropped a federal lawsuit over the alleged assaults.

The accuser, identified in the lawsuit by the pseudonym “Jane Doe,” was expected to appear at a news conference in Los Angeles Wednesday, but that appearance was abruptly canceled.

I wonder how much Hush Money Trump gave her.
 
So crimes against anyone else doesn't matter?
Not that you clods give a damn anyway, but crimes against children are particularly evil, don't you think? Do you not think that children should be protected or are they fair game for you folks to abuse?
 
How do you know? Let's see the list.

I don't trust the list anymore. Trump has already taken his name off the list. This is bullshit. And MAGA is not going to forgive him. They are NOT going to show up next year in the midterm. Republicans were already worried about that because Trump isn't on the ticket. NOW MAGA is pissed! Do you think they'll get over it by November next year? I don't because every week Trump disappoints them with something new. The BBB is blowing all the money DOGE found. Trump said he'd turn a blind eye to illegals working at farms, hotels and restaurants. He started a new war with Iran when he said he would not do that. Inflation went up last month.


The term List would indicate more than one. Trump can't take his name off something that doesn't even exist. Epstein had a PHONE BOOK of contacts that included Trump, Clinton, Dershowitz, Stephen Hawking, Gates, his Drs, and the pizza delivery.......something most everyone has
 
The term List would indicate more than one. Trump can't take his name off something that doesn't even exist. Epstein had a PHONE BOOK of contacts that included Trump, Clinton, Dershowitz, Stephen Hawking, Gates, his Drs, and the pizza delivery.......something most everyone has
What? Trump said regarding the Epstein file, "there's a lot of phony stuff in there"

If phony stuff can be added, you don't think his name can be omitted?

And why is there a missing minute on the camera watching Epstein? I'm not buying Bondi's explanation are you?
 
Just posted by General Flynn...Cuts exactly to the core of the issue.

This isn't about "the list"...It's about the powerful, connected, and the "intelligence community" being allowed to get away with a level of demonic savagery that we the hoi polloi would ever even consider as an option.

Throwing up your hands saying "there is no list so let's get on with other things" pisses all over the CHILDREN whose lives have been ruined by these demons.


I hesitated to write this however, with the utmost respect and deference to you for all you’ve withstood (few know it better than me what the “deep state” can do when they want to turn on a person). The EPSTEIN AFFAIR is NOT about who killed him or if he committed suicide—personally, I’m glad this known pedophile is dead.


But neither is this a hoax.


This issue goes beyond all that. There are millions of Americans who overwhelmingly voted for you to be OUR President, and we want you to be massively successful. No one more than me. Personally, I still have a target on my forehead. I know that but, like you, I still fight.


Beyond all that, OUR country is facing a level of internal subversion and it is a relentless attack on the very foundation of our constitutional republic. If you’re not successful, our country may not survive. It is that extreme of a situation we currently face. Read Lincoln’s Lyceum speech of 1838. He knew, as you know (and as we all can see with our very eyes), our nation will not die from a foreign foe, NEVER, if we die, it will be by our own suicide.

<snip>
An element that is of great importance surrounding this Epstein affair is the fact this man was a known pedophile, had a list of clients who represented the upper crust of society, and likely did untoward things to CHILDREN on his island, in his homes in NYC, and New Mexico (and maybe elsewhere). He was convicted of it.


Regardless of what class of society abuses and commits crimes against CHILDREN, it is NEVER acceptable.



This is where this argument went off the rails. It is NOT about Epstein or the left. It is about committing crimes against CHILDREN. If he were part of an intel operation known or run by our CIA (shame on them) and those responsible MUST be held accountable. If there is another country involved, then shame on them as well. If there are elites inside of our country that committed crimes against CHILDREN (shame on them) and they MUST be held ACCOUNTABLE.
The well being of our(humanity in general) lil tykes/kids MUST come first & foremost. I have seen the number of 300,000 missing kids AFTER they crossed our southern border & entered into our America. The 300,000 number sounds to be incredibly high to me like the kids would have had to been accompanied by a/their parent(s) so how could the parents have lost their own kids??? Even 300 kids/lil tykes missing in my opinion constitutes a major humanitarian disaster let alone 300,000 which I view as an absolute holocaust. Where could 300,000 kids/lil tykes be kept in secret in our America without adults noticing that there is something all wrong with the situation??? Pedophiles need to be put to sleep, FOREVER.
 
What? Trump said regarding the Epstein file, "there's a lot of phony stuff in there"

If phony stuff can be added, you don't think his name can be omitted?

And why is there a missing minute on the camera watching Epstein? I'm not buying Bondi's explanation are you?


"files' and 'lists' are two very different things and you seem to be confusing the two as being one.

Why in the hell would he even try to omit his name, when that's been public information for years?

You tell me why there is a missing minute or if there really is one OR if it's more like 10 minutes. I have no clue

I don't pay attention to Bondi so there's nothing for me to buy
 
It's tough for Trump to release a list with his own name, and his associates names, on it.

Bondi and the Justice Dept. are supposed to be independent of the Executive branch, but, well, we know what this administration is, these people are all puppets with Trump's hand up their ass.
 
I think you'd better be more careful about who you call stupid.
Trump voters don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to calling other people stupid.

Look at the buffoon they elected.
 
Just posted by General Flynn...Cuts exactly to the core of the issue.

This isn't about "the list"...It's about the powerful, connected, and the "intelligence community" being allowed to get away with a level of demonic savagery that we the hoi polloi would ever even consider as an option.

Throwing up your hands saying "there is no list so let's get on with other things" pisses all over the CHILDREN whose lives have been ruined by these demons.


I hesitated to write this however, with the utmost respect and deference to you for all you’ve withstood (few know it better than me what the “deep state” can do when they want to turn on a person). The EPSTEIN AFFAIR is NOT about who killed him or if he committed suicide—personally, I’m glad this known pedophile is dead.


But neither is this a hoax.


This issue goes beyond all that. There are millions of Americans who overwhelmingly voted for you to be OUR President, and we want you to be massively successful. No one more than me. Personally, I still have a target on my forehead. I know that but, like you, I still fight.


Beyond all that, OUR country is facing a level of internal subversion and it is a relentless attack on the very foundation of our constitutional republic. If you’re not successful, our country may not survive. It is that extreme of a situation we currently face. Read Lincoln’s Lyceum speech of 1838. He knew, as you know (and as we all can see with our very eyes), our nation will not die from a foreign foe, NEVER, if we die, it will be by our own suicide.

<snip>
An element that is of great importance surrounding this Epstein affair is the fact this man was a known pedophile, had a list of clients who represented the upper crust of society, and likely did untoward things to CHILDREN on his island, in his homes in NYC, and New Mexico (and maybe elsewhere). He was convicted of it.


Regardless of what class of society abuses and commits crimes against CHILDREN, it is NEVER acceptable.



This is where this argument went off the rails. It is NOT about Epstein or the left. It is about committing crimes against CHILDREN. If he were part of an intel operation known or run by our CIA (shame on them) and those responsible MUST be held accountable. If there is another country involved, then shame on them as well. If there are elites inside of our country that committed crimes against CHILDREN (shame on them) and they MUST be held ACCOUNTABLE.
An absolutely fascinating read.

At first blush, I can’t say I disagree with Gen. Flynn.

I mean, we don’t know (even if there are reasons to suspect it) that the CIA made use of Epstein Island or if any other nation did so, either. But if it is true, then they would also be culpable for the pedophile crimes against the young victims almost as much as Epstein and any of the guests who did those awful things.

I have urged the President to stop berating any of us who have asked for a coherent explanation and a legal reckoning. It is time to act as decisively on this horror show as he has (so far) acted on our porous border and on the deportation of illegal aliens.
 
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Nobody, but nobody has been a worst candidate for POTUS than Kamala Harris.

Did you vote for her?
She is a million times better than Trump. Dude has been getting weirder and weirder. When he's not trolling, he's rambling about tangential nonsense and hallucinating.

Did you see how he now is saying that his uncle at MIT had Ted Kaczynski as his student?
 
Trump is getting dementia. Something is definitely not right with him.

Getting and HAVING are two different things entirely. The Left voted for Biden who already HAD it, plus supported Harris who's mental capacity was non-existent........something is definitely not right with the left
 
Getting and HAVING are two different things entirely. The Left voted for Biden who already HAD it, plus supported Harris who's mental capacity was non-existent........something is definitely not right with the left
Biden handily beat Trump in his debates in 2016. Trump is not doing well. He just starts rambling about crazy stories he's hallucinating.

Harris is not demented like Trump.
 
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