England vs. U.S. murder rate

England never had really high rates of ownership. They cut the problem off before it became really bad.
 
England never had really high rates of ownership. They cut the problem off before it became really bad.

No the English come from a long line of people in servitude to a monarch and never even had the chance to have the rights we have in this country.

Americans loathe the idea of bending the knee ( well maybe you don't) but the Brits do it happily
 
A guy gets pissed in Paris Texas, he goes out and buys a gun at any of the dozens of stores that sell them within a mile of his house and kills whoever pissed him off.

A guy gets pissed in Paris France, he can't buy a gun because nobody sells them. He gets over it and everybody wakes up alive tomorrow.

The same scenario plays out 10,000 times a year (in different localities of course). Except while our guy in Paris Texas is killing someone, thousands of pissed off dudes across the face of the globe remain just that; pissed off. They don't become murderers.

Well, thank you for that news update from your twisted imagination.
 
England outlawed handguns in 1997.

1996 murder rates per 100,000:
U.S. 7.41 : England 1.12 = U.S was 6.62 times as high

List of countries by intentional homicide rate by decade - Wikipedia

2016 murder rates per 100,000
U.S. 4.9 : England 1.22 = U.S. = U.S. is 4.02 times as high

When they wail on about the England having a lower murder rate than the USA, they already did before they banned handguns! In fact, now the USA has 4 times the murder rate, whereas before England banned hand guns, we had 6.6 times the murder rate. The gap between us has shrunk considerably since England banned hand guns.

In 1920 homicide rate per 100,000: US 6.8 vs. England 0.81

Was that caused by the gun laws England passed over 70 years later?


The mods will want you to move this to the European forum...but you are correct....

The U.S....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
 
A guy gets pissed in Paris Texas, he goes out and buys a gun at any of the dozens of stores that sell them within a mile of his house and kills whoever pissed him off.

A guy gets pissed in Paris France, he can't buy a gun because nobody sells them. He gets over it and everybody wakes up alive tomorrow.

The same scenario plays out 10,000 times a year (in different localities of course). Except while our guy in Paris Texas is killing someone, thousands of pissed off dudes across the face of the globe remain just that; pissed off. They don't become murderers.
You're not very smart, are you?

I can kill a person with my bare hands, and I'm not even trained to do it.

If I really want to kill someone, I'm not going to let a lack of a gun stop me.

You'll have a harder time doing it. That is why people used guns to kill others, and themselves at an 80% success rate!


The Japanese kill themselves at higher rates than we do.....jumping in front of trains and off of buildings is deadlier than using a gun.....
 
England never had really high rates of ownership. They cut the problem off before it became really bad.

No the English come from a long line of people in servitude to a monarch and never even had the chance to have the rights we have in this country.

Americans loathe the idea of bending the knee ( well maybe you don't) but the Brits do it happily


Add to that the stunting of European society due to 2 World wars....they are just now catching up to us with their levels of violence as their social welfare states can no longer create adult men out of fatherless boys....
 
A guy gets pissed in Paris Texas, he goes out and buys a gun at any of the dozens of stores that sell them within a mile of his house and kills whoever pissed him off.

A guy gets pissed in Paris France, he can't buy a gun because nobody sells them. He gets over it and everybody wakes up alive tomorrow.

The same scenario plays out 10,000 times a year (in different localities of course). Except while our guy in Paris Texas is killing someone, thousands of pissed off dudes across the face of the globe remain just that; pissed off. They don't become murderers.
You're not very smart, are you?

I can kill a person with my bare hands, and I'm not even trained to do it.

If I really want to kill someone, I'm not going to let a lack of a gun stop me.

I wouldn't use a gun for it, anyway. Far too easy to get caught like that.
 
A guy gets pissed in Paris Texas, he goes out and buys a gun at any of the dozens of stores that sell them within a mile of his house and kills whoever pissed him off.
Or builds one, or 3D Prints and builds one, or buys it off the black market, or borrows it from a friend, or simply never registered. I'd also like to point out that the police's 15 minute response time does nothing to solve this, but hey, at least they can show up and straight-up murder the victim if he defends himself by shooting the potential gunman when threatened.
A guy gets pissed in Paris France, he can't buy a gun because nobody sells them. He gets over it and everybody wakes up alive tomorrow.
He can build them, buy them off the black market, or just stab people who can't defend themselves because they're following the opinions written on paper and enforced by violence of their authoritarian government. Gosh, it's like prohibition doesn't stop people from obtaining the prohibited items anyway, you know, like how drug laws demonstrably don't work across the US, gun laws don't work in Europe or Chicago, and the prohibition of alcohol didn't actually stop the consumption of alcohol.
The same scenario plays out 10,000 times a year (in different localities of course). Except while our guy in Paris Texas is killing someone, thousands of pissed off dudes across the face of the globe remain just that; pissed off. They don't become murderers.
See, now because I didn't let your assumptions through, your closing statement looks even more ill-informed. I wonder how many of those could be prevented if authoritarian governments didn't restrict self-defense, and how many of those are suicides, dishonestly counted as "gun violence" or whatever broad and dishonest term you would like to refer to it as. Then again, police are also part of that statistic, they're just not punished for straight-up murdering people, they instead get paid leave.

Sure...everybody has the stuff to make a gun laying around their condo; 3D printers too!

To call you an idiot is to give you a compliment.
People in prisons have built a shotgun from batteries, bed posts, curtain tape, and a broken light bulb.
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This one was made in the workshop from pieces of steel and match heads:
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So, yes, people quite literally have the makings for a gun laying around. It's actually easier than making drugs; That other thing prohibition doesn't work on.

Anyone can buy a 3D Printer(Around $200), and the schematics for guns are available online. I find it hilarious that you didn't bother to look any of this up, yet called me names. This is all, of course, ignoring that you immediately tried to push the assumption that criminals have NO money whatsoever, and have no job with which to make money, just to push your false narrative because you know you're wrong. You also seem to be under the impression that some sociopaths writing on a piece of paper, then telling their mercenaries that this opinion written on said piece of paper shall now be enforced, actually prevents people from doing said things. No, it only means that IF they catch you, they'll respond in roughly 15 minutes to initiate violence against you. Your Lord and Savior, Government, is not omnipotent.

And they print the gunpowder too...dumbass.

Yes, people in prison are going to all that trouble to make guns that can't fire anything, just because they look pretty.

SOMEONE here is a dumbass; as usual, it's you, Cornball.
 
Here are the facts about violent crime in Western Europe, Australia, and the US. I'll take the US.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
By James Slack
UPDATED:18:14 EST, 2 July 2009

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.

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The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 920 and South Africa 1,609.

Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.

Read more: The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online


UK is violent crime capital of Europe

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year.
All of your cooked numbers pale in significance.

Yes, because it doesn't matter if you're dead, as long as you weren't killed by an "eeeeevil" gun.
 
A guy gets pissed in Paris Texas, he goes out and buys a gun at any of the dozens of stores that sell them within a mile of his house and kills whoever pissed him off.

A guy gets pissed in Paris France, he can't buy a gun because nobody sells them. He gets over it and everybody wakes up alive tomorrow.

The same scenario plays out 10,000 times a year (in different localities of course). Except while our guy in Paris Texas is killing someone, thousands of pissed off dudes across the face of the globe remain just that; pissed off. They don't become murderers.
Yeah that happens all the time right?

Do you actually think that every murder was immediately preceded by the purchase of a gun?

Do you even know if most murders are committed with legally purchased guns or illegally purchased guns?

Do illegal gun owners commit most gun crime?

I’m sure the INCEL sometimes steals the gun from their parents room or just murders them like in the case of Adam Lanza (gun nut and nut in general).

You're sure of lots of shit that isn't real.
 
England outlawed handguns in 1997.

1996 murder rates per 100,000:
U.S. 7.41 : England 1.12 = U.S was 6.62 times as high

List of countries by intentional homicide rate by decade - Wikipedia

2016 murder rates per 100,000
U.S. 4.9 : England 1.22 = U.S. = U.S. is 4.02 times as high

When they wail on about the England having a lower murder rate than the USA, they already did before they banned handguns! In fact, now the USA has 4 times the murder rate, whereas before England banned hand guns, we had 6.6 times the murder rate. The gap between us has shrunk considerably since England banned hand guns.

In 1920 homicide rate per 100,000: US 6.8 vs. England 0.81

Was that caused by the gun laws England passed over 70 years later?

Do you want to know what the actual reason for the statistics is? It ain't the guns...
 
plain and simple--England's murder rate is much lower
....also--you'll have to prove they had a significant amount of more guns before they banned them--did they?? do you have those stats?
 
Stats were posted genis. Right above your moronic post. Your inability to read notwithstanding
 
A guy gets pissed in Paris Texas, he goes out and buys a gun at any of the dozens of stores that sell them within a mile of his house and kills whoever pissed him off.

A guy gets pissed in Paris France, he can't buy a gun because nobody sells them. He gets over it and everybody wakes up alive tomorrow.

The same scenario plays out 10,000 times a year (in different localities of course). Except while our guy in Paris Texas is killing someone, thousands of pissed off dudes across the face of the globe remain just that; pissed off. They don't become murderers.

How does that relate to the OP?

It highlights the superiority of their system and the weakness in ours.
 
A guy gets pissed in Paris Texas, he goes out and buys a gun at any of the dozens of stores that sell them within a mile of his house and kills whoever pissed him off.

A guy gets pissed in Paris France, he can't buy a gun because nobody sells them. He gets over it and everybody wakes up alive tomorrow.

The same scenario plays out 10,000 times a year (in different localities of course). Except while our guy in Paris Texas is killing someone, thousands of pissed off dudes across the face of the globe remain just that; pissed off. They don't become murderers.

Well, thank you for that news update from your twisted imagination.

It is noteworthy you can’t refute a syllable of it you dreadful bitch.
 
A guy gets pissed in Paris Texas, he goes out and buys a gun at any of the dozens of stores that sell them within a mile of his house and kills whoever pissed him off.

A guy gets pissed in Paris France, he can't buy a gun because nobody sells them. He gets over it and everybody wakes up alive tomorrow.

The same scenario plays out 10,000 times a year (in different localities of course). Except while our guy in Paris Texas is killing someone, thousands of pissed off dudes across the face of the globe remain just that; pissed off. They don't become murderers.

How does that relate to the OP?

It highlights the superiority of their system and the weakness in ours.

So you're moving there when?
 
A guy gets pissed in Paris Texas, he goes out and buys a gun at any of the dozens of stores that sell them within a mile of his house and kills whoever pissed him off.

A guy gets pissed in Paris France, he can't buy a gun because nobody sells them. He gets over it and everybody wakes up alive tomorrow.

The same scenario plays out 10,000 times a year (in different localities of course). Except while our guy in Paris Texas is killing someone, thousands of pissed off dudes across the face of the globe remain just that; pissed off. They don't become murderers.

How does that relate to the OP?

It highlights the superiority of their system and the weakness in ours.

So you're moving there when?

Never.

Foreign nations have a lot of things superior to what we have here and vice-versa.

Their superior systems of laws is just one aspect. We have half the nation that thinks more needless deaths is preferable; we cannot lecture anyone.
 

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