Ending health insurance for 13 million to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy?

[Rustic]

Why should other people be forced to pay for those 13 million people that’s ******* immoral

Good question: Why should 13 million freeloaders using the emergency room for free drive up insurance costs for the rest of us?

Funny shit - Conservatives used to HATE freeloaders!

Make the insurance companies pay pro bono...

 

[danielpalos]

A ******* rip off

You tell the mf's, shit take your sign and march on D.C.

Obama care is a lost cause it only suits ******* progressives

Trumpettes are too stupid to figure it out.

Apparently, none of their trumptard buddies have the balls to tell them that they receive huge subsidies.

It’s just another socialist entitlement program that successful people have to pay for. Why don’t people pay for their own shit, it does not take a ******* village

Corporate welfare costs even more. The right wing only complains about the poor.

 

[Rustic]

I want you tell me with a straight face the people who are voluntarily uninsured are costing us more in health care costs than the high school dropouts we are all subsidizing.

Don't be the usual fence sitter.......

The ACA "tried" to address the issue of uninsured in the HC system,,,,,

I don't know of ANY law that would compel HS drop outs....\

Do you???........If so, let me know.

Way to totally evade the point.

Who is costing us more?

Which group is the REAL freeloaders?

Any uninsured individual who uses the healthcare system and is unable to pay.
The uninsured, " voluntarily" or otherwise, still use the system when needed. If one is "voluntarily" uninsured, they should voluntarily not seek treatment unless they can pay in full.

They should be able to buy insurance after they get sick, **** the insurance companys

That's not how it works, dumbass.
Why would an insurer pay a claim after the fact?

Same reason why insurance companies don’t repay people that don’t file claims.
No one should be forced to pay for something that might happen

 

[JQPublic1]

Why should other people be forced to pay for those 13 million people that’s ******* immoral

Good question: Why should 13 million freeloaders using the emergency room for free drive up insurance costs for the rest of us?

Funny shit - Conservatives used to HATE freeloaders!

Make the insurance companies pay pro bono...

I say eliminate healthcare Insurance companies altogether and install a Federal medical corps. Nationalize all hospitals and make healthcare free.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Don't be the usual fence sitter.......

The ACA "tried" to address the issue of uninsured in the HC system,,,,,

I don't know of ANY law that would compel HS drop outs....\

Do you???........If so, let me know.

Way to totally evade the point.

Who is costing us more?

Which group is the REAL freeloaders?

Any uninsured individual who uses the healthcare system and is unable to pay.
The uninsured, " voluntarily" or otherwise, still use the system when needed. If one is "voluntarily" uninsured, they should voluntarily not seek treatment unless they can pay in full.

They should be able to buy insurance after they get sick, **** the insurance companys

That's not how it works, dumbass.
Why would an insurer pay a claim after the fact?

Same reason why insurance companies don’t repay people that don’t file claims.
No one should be forced to pay for something that might happen

You are truly stupid, dude.

 

[Rustic]

Why should other people be forced to pay for those 13 million people that’s ******* immoral

Good question: Why should 13 million freeloaders using the emergency room for free drive up insurance costs for the rest of us?

Funny shit - Conservatives used to HATE freeloaders!

Make the insurance companies pay pro bono...

I say eliminate healthcare Insurance companies altogether and install a Federal medical corps. Nationalize all hospitals and make healthcare free.

...and make it 100% Voluntary

 

[JQPublic1]

Don't be the usual fence sitter.......

The ACA "tried" to address the issue of uninsured in the HC system,,,,,

I don't know of ANY law that would compel HS drop outs....\

Do you???........If so, let me know.

Way to totally evade the point.

Who is costing us more?

Which group is the REAL freeloaders?

Any uninsured individual who uses the healthcare system and is unable to pay.
The uninsured, " voluntarily" or otherwise, still use the system when needed. If one is "voluntarily" uninsured, they should voluntarily not seek treatment unless they can pay in full.

They should be able to buy insurance after they get sick, **** the insurance companys

That's not how it works, dumbass.
Why would an insurer pay a claim after the fact?

Same reason why insurance companies don’t repay people that don’t file claims.
No one should be forced to pay for something that might happen

 

[Rustic]

Way to totally evade the point.

Who is costing us more?

Which group is the REAL freeloaders?

Any uninsured individual who uses the healthcare system and is unable to pay.
The uninsured, " voluntarily" or otherwise, still use the system when needed. If one is "voluntarily" uninsured, they should voluntarily not seek treatment unless they can pay in full.

They should be able to buy insurance after they get sick, **** the insurance companys

That's not how it works, dumbass.
Why would an insurer pay a claim after the fact?

Same reason why insurance companies don’t repay people that don’t file claims.
No one should be forced to pay for something that might happen

You are truly stupid, dude.

I’ve never bought insurance, That makes me pretty smart

 

[Rustic]

Why buy something that will not be used?

 

[Rustic]

Way to totally evade the point.

Who is costing us more?

Which group is the REAL freeloaders?

Any uninsured individual who uses the healthcare system and is unable to pay.
The uninsured, " voluntarily" or otherwise, still use the system when needed. If one is "voluntarily" uninsured, they should voluntarily not seek treatment unless they can pay in full.

They should be able to buy insurance after they get sick, **** the insurance companys

That's not how it works, dumbass.
Why would an insurer pay a claim after the fact?

Same reason why insurance companies don’t repay people that don’t file claims.
No one should be forced to pay for something that might happen

I know, The whole concept of insurance is a fucked up one... at best

 

[Avatar4321]

If people choose not to buy health insurance if we don't force them to, how have we taken anything from them?

 

[Skull Pilot]

No one is ending health insurance. The mandate and the tax penalty were done away with that is all.

So those estimated 13 million will be choosing not to buy health insurance no one is taking it away from them.

The more relevant question is why do you oppose people making their own choices?

No, dope.

Eliminating the mandate shrinks the risk pool. The younger and healthier will drop out. The cost for those left will rise sharply.
Premiums will rise to the point where many will be priced out altogether.

The costs are rising sharply anyway.
But you don't know why do you? it's because you can't give the unlimited coverage called for by Obammy care without premiums skyrocketing.

The insurance for my employees under 45 is going up 68% for next year. The insurance for my employees over 45 is going up 90%

And that rate hike was in the works way before the repeal of the mandate.

And as I said no one is losing their insurance. They will make their own choices about whether to purchase it.

But you people all have a problem with people making their own choices

Bullshit. Post it up.

It's in my office at the business. I'll scan the relevant pages and post it but you'll still just say I'm making it up.

Even if it's true, it only highlights your ineptitude as an employer to do better for your employees.

While Premiums Soar Under Obamacare, Costs of Employer-Based Plans Are Stable

I posted the premium page earlier so you can look

And you obviously don't know shit about the plans available to me in my state and your article was about 2016 premiums.

Maybe you should read the shit you post

like this part that was from a link in the article you posted

In 2016, the average annual premiums for employer-sponsored health insurance are $6,435 for single coverage and $18,142 for family coverage. The average family premium rose 3% over the 2015 average premium while the increase in the premium for single coverage was not statistically significant.

so now tell me what the differences in 2015 and 2016 insurance premiums has to do with the 2018 premiums I posted

 

[Hutch Starskey]

No, dope.

Eliminating the mandate shrinks the risk pool. The younger and healthier will drop out. The cost for those left will rise sharply.
Premiums will rise to the point where many will be priced out altogether.

The costs are rising sharply anyway.
But you don't know why do you? it's because you can't give the unlimited coverage called for by Obammy care without premiums skyrocketing.

The insurance for my employees under 45 is going up 68% for next year. The insurance for my employees over 45 is going up 90%

And that rate hike was in the works way before the repeal of the mandate.

And as I said no one is losing their insurance. They will make their own choices about whether to purchase it.

But you people all have a problem with people making their own choices

Bullshit. Post it up.

It's in my office at the business. I'll scan the relevant pages and post it but you'll still just say I'm making it up.

Even if it's true, it only highlights your ineptitude as an employer to do better for your employees.

While Premiums Soar Under Obamacare, Costs of Employer-Based Plans Are Stable

I posted the premium page earlier so you can look

And you obviously don't know shit about the plans available to me in my state and your article was about 2016 premiums.

Maybe you should read the shit you post

like this part that was from a link in the article you posted

In 2016, the average annual premiums for employer-sponsored health insurance are $6,435 for single coverage and $18,142 for family coverage. The average family premium rose 3% over the 2015 average premium while the increase in the premium for single coverage was not statistically significant.

so now tell me what the differences in 2015 and 2016 insurance premiums has to do with the 2018 premiums I posted

Better yet, you tell me how you claim premiums are up 80% when the trend from previous years does not reflect that.

Next time you try to lie, at least keep it believable.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The costs are rising sharply anyway.
But you don't know why do you? it's because you can't give the unlimited coverage called for by Obammy care without premiums skyrocketing.

The insurance for my employees under 45 is going up 68% for next year. The insurance for my employees over 45 is going up 90%

And that rate hike was in the works way before the repeal of the mandate.

And as I said no one is losing their insurance. They will make their own choices about whether to purchase it.

But you people all have a problem with people making their own choices

Bullshit. Post it up.

It's in my office at the business. I'll scan the relevant pages and post it but you'll still just say I'm making it up.

Even if it's true, it only highlights your ineptitude as an employer to do better for your employees.

While Premiums Soar Under Obamacare, Costs of Employer-Based Plans Are Stable

I posted the premium page earlier so you can look

And you obviously don't know shit about the plans available to me in my state and your article was about 2016 premiums.

Maybe you should read the shit you post

like this part that was from a link in the article you posted

In 2016, the average annual premiums for employer-sponsored health insurance are $6,435 for single coverage and $18,142 for family coverage. The average family premium rose 3% over the 2015 average premium while the increase in the premium for single coverage was not statistically significant.

so now tell me what the differences in 2015 and 2016 insurance premiums has to do with the 2018 premiums I posted

Better yet, you tell me how you claim premiums are up 80% when the trend from previous years does not reflect that.

Next time you try to lie, at least keep it believable.

Here you go Dickless

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Bullshit. Post it up.

It's in my office at the business. I'll scan the relevant pages and post it but you'll still just say I'm making it up.

Even if it's true, it only highlights your ineptitude as an employer to do better for your employees.

While Premiums Soar Under Obamacare, Costs of Employer-Based Plans Are Stable

I posted the premium page earlier so you can look

And you obviously don't know shit about the plans available to me in my state and your article was about 2016 premiums.

Maybe you should read the shit you post

like this part that was from a link in the article you posted

In 2016, the average annual premiums for employer-sponsored health insurance are $6,435 for single coverage and $18,142 for family coverage. The average family premium rose 3% over the 2015 average premium while the increase in the premium for single coverage was not statistically significant.

so now tell me what the differences in 2015 and 2016 insurance premiums has to do with the 2018 premiums I posted

Better yet, you tell me how you claim premiums are up 80% when the trend from previous years does not reflect that.

Next time you try to lie, at least keep it believable.

Here you go Dickless
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That's not proof of anything.
How about you post some supporting evidence such as articles or a link to the insurer's web page that state premiums will rise that significantly in 2018.

Obamacare premiums are set to soar in 2018 — but there's a big catch

 

[nat4900]

Why would an insurer pay a claim after the fact?

Well, if you took economic classes at Trump U., you might.......

 

[JQPublic1]

Any uninsured individual who uses the healthcare system and is unable to pay.
The uninsured, " voluntarily" or otherwise, still use the system when needed. If one is "voluntarily" uninsured, they should voluntarily not seek treatment unless they can pay in full.

They should be able to buy insurance after they get sick, **** the insurance companys

That's not how it works, dumbass.
Why would an insurer pay a claim after the fact?

Same reason why insurance companies don’t repay people that don’t file claims.
No one should be forced to pay for something that might happen

You are truly stupid, dude.

I’ve never bought insurance, That makes me pretty smart

 

[JQPublic1]

If people choose not to buy health insurance if we don't force them to, how have we taken anything from them?

No one is being FORCED to buy insurance. Some people choose to pay the tax penalty instead. You have a choice, damn it. So in either case when you go to the ER you can hold your head high ( if your neck isn't broken} and truthfully say you're no freeloader.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Hey everybody!

I got a great idea!

Lets borrow $1.5 trillion and give it to Billionaires as a Christmas present

/----/ Letting people keep more of their own money is not a giveaway. Welfare is.

That's the $1.4 trillion lie you have been told to believe. But it is a lie.

Those tax gifts come at the cost of higher tax rates on EVERY taxpayer, and at the cost of borrowing ever larger sums from China.

It's theft. And you bet your ass it is welfare.

Government tax gifts costs $1.4 trillion a year. That's the biggest wealth redistribution in human history.

So, it is your assertion that taking less of my paycheck is a gift?

It's better to take a fraction of your paycheck now than to lose all of it, including your savings, after paying a fortune in hospital bills in the wake of a catastrophic illness. The goal of PPACA was to bring in more revenue to incentivize the insurance companies to lower their rates while also providing subsidies for those who needed insurance coverage the most but had little or no funds i.e., children and many seniors who hadn't reached age 65.

Not going to happen, I'm well insured.

 

[Avatar4321]

If people choose not to buy health insurance if we don't force them to, how have we taken anything from them?

No one is being FORCED to buy insurance. Some people choose to pay the tax penalty instead. You have a choice, damn it. So in either case when you go to the ER you can hold your head high ( if your neck isn't broken} and truthfully say you're no freeloader.

The penalty is the use of force. Can we at least try to be honest here?