Electric cars deliver 'no proven carbon savings' in the UK, scientists warn in 'sanity check' study

[Captain Caveman]

Electric cars deliver 'no proven carbon savings' in UK, scientists say

In a new study, described as a 'sanity check' for Britain's Net Zero ambitions, researchers from Queen Mary University say that the push towards EVs is fundamentally misguided.

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Electric vehicles (EVs) deliver 'no proven carbon savings' in the UK, scientists have warned.

In a new study, described as a 'sanity check' for Britain's Net Zero ambitions, researchers from Queen Mary University say that the push towards EVs is fundamentally misguided.

Because the UK's electricity grid hasn't switched to renewable energy sources, EVs 'run almost entirely on fossil fuel burnt at power stations', according to the team.

What renewables the UK has, gaps in the weather makes them useless when folk want to charge EV's, so has powered stations kick in.

The advice is, get a hybrid.

This problem also extends heat pumps too. So changing house gas boilers to electric running heat pumps makes no carbon saving either.

 

[odanny]

EV's are simply quicker, more dependable, quieter, less maintenance, there are a range of benefits to owning one, but they still have to be recharged somehow.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Electric cars deliver 'no proven carbon savings' in UK, scientists say

In a new study, described as a 'sanity check' for Britain's Net Zero ambitions, researchers from Queen Mary University say that the push towards EVs is fundamentally misguided.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Electric vehicles (EVs) deliver 'no proven carbon savings' in the UK, scientists have warned.

In a new study, described as a 'sanity check' for Britain's Net Zero ambitions, researchers from Queen Mary University say that the push towards EVs is fundamentally misguided.

Because the UK's electricity grid hasn't switched to renewable energy sources, EVs 'run almost entirely on fossil fuel burnt at power stations', according to the team.

What renewables the UK has, gaps in the weather makes them useless when folk want to charge EV's, so has powered stations kick in.

The advice is, get a hybrid.

This problem also extends heat pumps too. So changing house gas boilers to electric running heat pumps makes no carbon saving either.

Interesting. Are there any policies under Starmer which have been successful or even popular with Brits? He has been defiant in saying he will not leave office but all the signs suggest he will especially after his trip to China where he achieved a 5% decrease in a tariff from what I can tell.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Interesting. Are there any policies under Starmer which have been successful or even popular with Brits? He has been defiant in saying he will not leave office but all the signs suggest he will especially after his trip to China where he axhieved a 5% decrease in a tariff from what I can tell.

He's only interested in keeping his job and not what's best for the country.

The economy was flat, yet he claimed he was going to grow it, and many other countries have. The trade deficit has got seriously worse under his watch.

To grow an economy you do not turn everyone into your enemy and tax the heck out of them, that does the opposite. So the expected increase was cancelled out by his meddling.

Clearly Starmer failed science at school because he believes you can replace fossil fuels in a handful of years with poor alternatives.

 

[Old Rocks]

Electric cars deliver 'no proven carbon savings' in UK, scientists say

In a new study, described as a 'sanity check' for Britain's Net Zero ambitions, researchers from Queen Mary University say that the push towards EVs is fundamentally misguided.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Electric vehicles (EVs) deliver 'no proven carbon savings' in the UK, scientists have warned.

In a new study, described as a 'sanity check' for Britain's Net Zero ambitions, researchers from Queen Mary University say that the push towards EVs is fundamentally misguided.

Because the UK's electricity grid hasn't switched to renewable energy sources, EVs 'run almost entirely on fossil fuel burnt at power stations', according to the team.

What renewables the UK has, gaps in the weather makes them useless when folk want to charge EV's, so has powered stations kick in.

The advice is, get a hybrid.

This problem also extends heat pumps too. So changing house gas boilers to electric running heat pumps makes no carbon saving either.

Bullshit. Britain is rapidly switching to renewables.

Record year for wind and solar electricity in Great Britain in 2025

Wind, solar and other renewables hit a new high last year but the government is still some way off its clean power target.

www.bbc.com

 

[shockedcanadian]

Bullshit. Britain is rapidly switching to renewables.

View attachment 1218588

Record year for wind and solar electricity in Great Britain in 2025

Wind, solar and other renewables hit a new high last year but the government is still some way off its clean power target.

www.bbc.com

Historical Electricity Price in England/UK (Residential, Typical Unit Cost)​

Year	Approx. Electricity Price (pence per kWh)
2010	~12.7 p/kWh
2011	~13.7 p/kWh
2012	~14.5 p/kWh
2013	~15.2 p/kWh
2014	~15.6 p/kWh
2015	~15.4 p/kWh
2016	~15.4 p/kWh
2017	~16.5 p/kWh
2018	~17.8 p/kWh
2019	~19.4 p/kWh
2020	~19.6 p/kWh
2021	~21.4 p/kWh
2022	~32.2 p/kWh (sharp increase during energy price crisis)
2023	~30 p/kWh (averaging early quarters)
2024	~24.5 p/kWh (mid-year average)
2025	~27 p/kWh (mid-year average)

 

[Captain Caveman]

Bullshit. Britain is rapidly switching to renewables.

View attachment 1218588

Record year for wind and solar electricity in Great Britain in 2025

Wind, solar and other renewables hit a new high last year but the government is still some way off its clean power target.

www.bbc.com

The Queen Mary University debunks your idiocy, you stupid ******.

 

[Lockback]

You couldn't pay me to have an EV.

 

[Anomalism]

The Queen Mary University debunks your idiocy, you stupid ******.

Elaborate? Calling somebody a stupid ****** isn't an argument.

 

[HikerGuy83]

EV's are simply quicker, more dependable, quieter, less maintenance, there are a range of benefits to owning one, but they still have to be recharged somehow.

Was there a point to this statement that related to the OP?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Electric cars deliver 'no proven carbon savings' in UK, scientists say

In a new study, described as a 'sanity check' for Britain's Net Zero ambitions, researchers from Queen Mary University say that the push towards EVs is fundamentally misguided.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Electric vehicles (EVs) deliver 'no proven carbon savings' in the UK, scientists have warned.

In a new study, described as a 'sanity check' for Britain's Net Zero ambitions, researchers from Queen Mary University say that the push towards EVs is fundamentally misguided.

Because the UK's electricity grid hasn't switched to renewable energy sources, EVs 'run almost entirely on fossil fuel burnt at power stations', according to the team.

What renewables the UK has, gaps in the weather makes them useless when folk want to charge EV's, so has powered stations kick in.

The advice is, get a hybrid.

This problem also extends heat pumps too. So changing house gas boilers to electric running heat pumps makes no carbon saving either.

Is that saying that an EV has the same overall efficiency (in terms of the whole system....generation, transmission, etc.) as a gasoline driven car? That is a little surprising.

 

[Anomalism]

I wouldn't buy one. Lol Hybrids are aight.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Elaborate? Calling somebody a stupid ****** isn't an argument.

The Queen Mary university debunked the faggots post, ie. look at the link in the OP

And stop trying to support the ****** for his/her retarded posts.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Is that saying that an EV has the same overall efficiency (in terms of the whole system....generation, transmission, etc.) as a gasoline driven car? That is a little surprising.

EV's have a high carbon footprint to begin with during manufacture compared to ICE vehicles. Also, renewables (wind turbines and solar) are very unpredictable in the UK, not the best weather. So the study found that when renewable electricity production was at its shite, that's when many wanted to recharge their EV's. So the grid had to rely mainly on fossil fuel gas electric production. Old Rocks can't get his/her thick head around this, but that's retards for you.

 

[HikerGuy83]

but that's retards for you.

amen to that.

 

[Anomalism]

The Queen Mary university debunked the faggots post, ie. look at the link in the OP

And stop trying to support the ****** for his/her retarded posts.

You're pretty aggressive. Your arguments would land better if they weren't laced with ad hominems.

 

[Captain Caveman]

You're pretty aggressive. Your arguments would land better if they weren't laced with ad hominems.

It's not aggression, it's annoyance and disbelief that some not understanding a simple topic. They can produce graphs, charts, newspaper clippings etc.. of all the fantastic bird chopping wind turbines and solar panels in place, the topic is not that. What the study found was, because wind and sun are unreliable, renewable electric production was out of sync with EV charging. So the vehicles were mainly using electric produced from natural gas.

When there's an abundance of wind and sun, there's no means to store the electric that's produced to save it for EV charging.

So the arguement is produced by those that haven't grasped the thread. Simply put, they didn't read the link.

 

[ReinyDays]

It's not aggression, it's annoyance and disbelief that some not understanding a simple topic. They can produce graphs, charts, newspaper clippings etc.. of all the fantastic bird chopping wind turbines and solar panels in place, the topic is not that. What the study found was, because wind and sun are unreliable, renewable electric production was out of sync with EV charging. So the vehicles were mainly using electric produced from natural gas.

When there's an abundance of wind and sun, there's no means to store the electric that's produced to save it for EV charging.

So the arguement is produced by those that haven't grasped the thread. Simply put, they didn't read the link.

A Rochester Quadrajet has over a thousand moving parts ... and that's just the carburetor ... value train, alternator, smog control ... more moving parts than an AR-15 ...

Electric motors only have one moving part ... I bought my Skil Saw 77 used in 1992, still runs great after 30 years of active service, never had a problem, not one ... the son-of-a-***** outlasted three pick-ups ...

Either way, we still burn coal ...

 

[Anomalism]

It's not aggression, it's annoyance and disbelief that some not understanding a simple topic. They can produce graphs, charts, newspaper clippings etc.. of all the fantastic bird chopping wind turbines and solar panels in place, the topic is not that. What the study found was, because wind and sun are unreliable, renewable electric production was out of sync with EV charging. So the vehicles were mainly using electric produced from natural gas.

When there's an abundance of wind and sun, there's no means to store the electric that's produced to save it for EV charging.

So the arguement is produced by those that haven't grasped the thread. Simply put, they didn't read the link.

Okay.

Well, whatever it is, it does your own position a disservice.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Okay.

Well, whatever it is, it does your own position a disservice.

Thank you for your opinion.