Electric Cars....Bogus!

[Treeshepherd]

It takes about 2Kw of solar modules to offset the charging of your Tesla at home (driving 12,000 miles per year). Solar contractors out here are busy installing charging outlets in the garages of their solar customers.

I can't think of a single person who drives an EV who isn't aware that most electricity comes from fossil fuels. Most of our grid out here is powered by natural gas. Everybody knows that.

Tesla's new gigaplant will be manufacturing it's own batteries instead of subbing that part out. They will be able to recycle old batteries there and reuse the components. And the gigaplant will be partly powered by solar and wind.

Beyond the environmental argument for owning an EV, a Tesla is a status vehicle. It's a high performance luxury car. It's made in the USA. And a Tesla owner doesn't have to rub elbows with the groundlings at proletariat fueling stations. You can charge them for free in the SF Bay Area at Tesla supercharging stations and many third party venues. I recommended the stock on USMB about a month ago at 196. Today, it's at 216.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

The author of the "Opinion Piece" referenced in the OP, is a man who seems to be cashing in on the fact that he is a political scientist in order to pedal books to right-wing, business oriented folks who don't want to spend any cash cleaning up their own messes.

 

[PoliticalChic]

But you said "... your (sic) too busy congratulating yourself all the time."


You're really not too bright, are you.


You’re probably the right one to ask this….do illiterate folks get the full effect of alphabet soup?

If only you could defend your threads with the same ferociousness that you defend your large brain.

Defend???


Against what?

Everything I post is clearly true.

I (as well as others) have already pointed out that, amongst other things:

1 Obama never 'predicted" that there WOULD BE one million cars by the year 2015.

2 Obama never "promised" one million cars, either

3 That 2015 is far from over.

4 That you quite erroneously claimed that 'most electricity" is generated from coal.

Is that enough or do need to hurl a bunch of insults and character charges as per your usual M.O.?

How about I destroy what you consider your 'point'....the one beside the top of your head.

"The Obama-Biden comprehensive New Energy for America plan will:

• Put 1 million Plug-In Hybrid cars -- cars that can get up to 150 miles per gallon -- on the road by 2015, cars that we will work to make sure are built here in America."
• Energy Environment Change.gov The Obama-Biden Transition Team

In your face, boyyyyeeeeeee!!!

Now pay attention: laminate this for you wallet: Never doubt me.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The author of the "Opinion Piece" referenced in the OP, is a man who seems to be cashing in on the fact that he is a political scientist in order to pedal books to right-wing, business oriented folks who don't want to spend any cash cleaning up their own messes.

Somehow you morons are quick to smear any who reveal the truth as 'cashing in'....

....but the vast majority of government grants are toward green energy scams and
Democrat kick-backs.


'Solyndra' ring a bell, Quasimodo?

 

[Old Rocks]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/b...-win-on-price-vs-conventional-fuels.html?_r=0

In Texas, Austin Energy signed a deal this spring for 20 years of output from a solar farm at less than 5 cents a kilowatt-hour. In September, the Grand River Dam Authority in Oklahoma announced its approval of a new agreement to buy power from a new wind farm expected to be completed next year. Grand River estimated the deal would save its customers roughly $50 million from the project.

And, also in Oklahoma, American Electric Power ended up tripling the amount of wind power it had originally sought after seeing how low the bids came in last year.

“Wind was on sale — it was a Blue Light Special,” said Jay Godfrey, managing director of renewable energy for the company. He noted that Oklahoma, unlike many states, did not require utilities to buy power from renewable sources.

“We were doing it because it made sense for our ratepayers,” he said.

According to a study by the investment banking firm Lazard, the cost of utility-scale solar energy is as low as 5.6 cents a kilowatt-hour, and wind is as low as 1.4 cents. In comparison, natural gas comes at 6.1 cents a kilowatt-hour on the low end and coal at 6.6 cents. Without subsidies, the firm’s analysis shows, solar costs about 7.2 cents a kilowatt-hour at the low end, with wind at 3.7 cents.

That, PoliticalShit is why Solyandra was a good investment. The investments in the various solar and wind companies have paid off big time. Wind is now far cheaper than dirty coal, and solar is within a half cent a kilowatt of dirty coal, and much less costly than clean coal. And solar is still rapidly declining in price.

EV's, solar, geothermal, wind, are the future. Old hags like you are the past. And it is a bright future with far fewer children suffering the ravages of asthma, and none of their fathers dying young of black lung.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Green Energy????

Just one more fake Liberal plan to grow government.



1. "....Green Cars Have a Dirty Little Secret
Producing and charging electric cars means heavy carbon-dioxide emissions.

2. Electric cars are promoted as the chic harbinger of an environmentally benign future. Ads assure us of "zero emissions," and President Obama has promised a million on the road by 2015. ... that million-car figure is a pipe dream.



3. But for those who do own an electric car, at least there is the consolation that it's truly green, right? Not really.

4. For proponents ... the main argument is that their electric cars—whether it's a $100,000 Fisker Karma (Mr. DiCaprio's ride) or a $28,000 Nissan Leaf—don't contribute to global warming.

5. ....electric cars don't emit carbon-dioxide on the road. But the energy used for their manufacture and continual battery charges certainly does—far more than most people realize.


6. .... [half the]carbon-dioxide emissions from an electric car come from the energy used to produce the car, especially the battery.
The mining of lithium, for instance, is a less than green activity. By contrast, the manufacture of a gas-powered car accounts for 17% of its lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions. When an electric car rolls off the production line, it has already been responsible for 30,000 pounds of carbon-dioxide emission. The amount for making a conventional car: 14,000 pounds.

a. If a typical electric car is driven 50,000 miles over its lifetime, the huge initial emissions from its manufacture means the car will actually have put more carbon-dioxide in the atmosphere than a similar-size gasoline-powered car driven the same number of miles.

b..... the energy used to recharge the electric car comes mostly from coal-fired power plants, it will be responsible for the emission of almost 15 ounces of carbon-dioxide for every one of the 50,000 miles it is driven—three ounces more than a similar gas-powered car.




7. ...they still recharge using electricity overwhelmingly produced with fossil fuels. Thus, the life-cycle analysis shows that for every mile driven, the average electric car indirectly emits about six ounces of carbon-dioxide. This is still a lot better than a similar-size conventional car, which emits about 12 ounces per mile. But remember, the production of the electric car has already resulted in sizeable emissions—the equivalent of 80,000 miles of travel in the vehicle.



8. ...the Nissan Leaf. It has only a 73-mile range per charge. Drivers attempting long road trips, as in one BBC test drive, have reported that recharging takes so long that the average speed is close to six miles per hour—a bit faster than your average jogger/

a. ...the batteries in electric cars fade with time, just as they do in a cellphone. Nissan estimates that after five years, the less effective batteries in a typical Leaf bring the range down to 55 miles. As the MIT Technology Review cautioned last year: "Don't Drive Your Nissan Leaf Too Much."

If a typical electric car is driven 50,000 miles over its lifetime, the huge initial emissions from its manufacture means the car will actually have put more carbon-dioxide in the atmosphere than a similar-size gasoline-powered car driven the same number of miles.

9.....the U.S. federal government essentially subsidizes electric-car buyers with up to $7,500. In addition, more than $5.5 billion in federal grants and loans go directly to battery and electric-car manufacturers like California-based Fisker Automotive and Tesla Motors . This is a very poor deal for taxpayers.




10. ....as a way to tackle global warming now it does virtually nothing. The real challenge is to get green energy that is cheaper than fossil fuels. ...Spending instead on subsidizing electric cars is putting the cart before the horse, and an inconvenient and expensive cart at that."
Bjorn Lomborg Green Cars Have a Dirty Little Secret - WSJ



Oh, noooozzzzzz!!

Another Liberal bubble burst.

"Toyota Warns (Again) About Electrifying All Autos. Is Anyone Listening?
...Toyota understands both the car market and the infrastructure that supports it perhaps better than any other manufacturer on the planet. It hasn’t grown its footprint through acquisitions, as Volkswagen has, and it hasn’t undergone bankruptcy and bailout as GM has. Toyota has grown by building reliable cars for decades.


That opinion is straightforward: The world is not yet ready to support a fully electric auto fleet.

Toyota’s head of energy and environmental research Robert Wimmer testified before the Senate this week, and said: “If we are to make dramatic progress in electrification, it will require overcoming tremendous challenges, including refueling infrastructure, battery availability, consumer acceptance, and affordability.”

grid and infrastructure simply aren’t there to support the electrification of the private car fleet. A 2017 U.S. government study found that we would need about 8,500 strategically-placed charge stations to support a fleet of just 7 million electric cars. That’s about six times the current number of electric cars but no one is talking about supporting just 7 million cars. We should be talking about powering about 300 million within the next 20 years, if all manufacturers follow GM and stop making ICE cars."

Toyota Warns (Again) About Electrifying All Autos. Is Anyone Listening?

pjmedia.com

 

[DGS49]

The Green Weenies presume that in the foreseeable future, electricity will mainly be produced in ways that do not generate greenhouse gases. One can only hope that some bold, insightful President will push Nuke to an extent that such development is accelerated from its currently moribund state and that dream will become a reality.

EV's will quickly evolve into a niche market - sizable but niche - satisfying the needs of about a quarter of the car-buying public, while everyone else stays with ICE's.

To dinosaurs like me, all those performance numbers be damned, I like DRIVING a car, and prefer it to operating an appliance.

All the arguments trying to portray EV's as anti-green are akin to whistling past the graveyard. Nobody is buying it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Green Energy????

Just one more fake Liberal plan to grow government.



1. "....Green Cars Have a Dirty Little Secret
Producing and charging electric cars means heavy carbon-dioxide emissions.

2. Electric cars are promoted as the chic harbinger of an environmentally benign future. Ads assure us of "zero emissions," and President Obama has promised a million on the road by 2015. ... that million-car figure is a pipe dream.



3. But for those who do own an electric car, at least there is the consolation that it's truly green, right? Not really.

4. For proponents ... the main argument is that their electric cars—whether it's a $100,000 Fisker Karma (Mr. DiCaprio's ride) or a $28,000 Nissan Leaf—don't contribute to global warming.

5. ....electric cars don't emit carbon-dioxide on the road. But the energy used for their manufacture and continual battery charges certainly does—far more than most people realize.


6. .... [half the]carbon-dioxide emissions from an electric car come from the energy used to produce the car, especially the battery.
The mining of lithium, for instance, is a less than green activity. By contrast, the manufacture of a gas-powered car accounts for 17% of its lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions. When an electric car rolls off the production line, it has already been responsible for 30,000 pounds of carbon-dioxide emission. The amount for making a conventional car: 14,000 pounds.

a. If a typical electric car is driven 50,000 miles over its lifetime, the huge initial emissions from its manufacture means the car will actually have put more carbon-dioxide in the atmosphere than a similar-size gasoline-powered car driven the same number of miles.

b..... the energy used to recharge the electric car comes mostly from coal-fired power plants, it will be responsible for the emission of almost 15 ounces of carbon-dioxide for every one of the 50,000 miles it is driven—three ounces more than a similar gas-powered car.




7. ...they still recharge using electricity overwhelmingly produced with fossil fuels. Thus, the life-cycle analysis shows that for every mile driven, the average electric car indirectly emits about six ounces of carbon-dioxide. This is still a lot better than a similar-size conventional car, which emits about 12 ounces per mile. But remember, the production of the electric car has already resulted in sizeable emissions—the equivalent of 80,000 miles of travel in the vehicle.



8. ...the Nissan Leaf. It has only a 73-mile range per charge. Drivers attempting long road trips, as in one BBC test drive, have reported that recharging takes so long that the average speed is close to six miles per hour—a bit faster than your average jogger/

a. ...the batteries in electric cars fade with time, just as they do in a cellphone. Nissan estimates that after five years, the less effective batteries in a typical Leaf bring the range down to 55 miles. As the MIT Technology Review cautioned last year: "Don't Drive Your Nissan Leaf Too Much."

If a typical electric car is driven 50,000 miles over its lifetime, the huge initial emissions from its manufacture means the car will actually have put more carbon-dioxide in the atmosphere than a similar-size gasoline-powered car driven the same number of miles.

9.....the U.S. federal government essentially subsidizes electric-car buyers with up to $7,500. In addition, more than $5.5 billion in federal grants and loans go directly to battery and electric-car manufacturers like California-based Fisker Automotive and Tesla Motors . This is a very poor deal for taxpayers.




10. ....as a way to tackle global warming now it does virtually nothing. The real challenge is to get green energy that is cheaper than fossil fuels. ...Spending instead on subsidizing electric cars is putting the cart before the horse, and an inconvenient and expensive cart at that."
Bjorn Lomborg Green Cars Have a Dirty Little Secret - WSJ



Oh, noooozzzzzz!!

Another Liberal bubble burst.

"Toyota Warns (Again) About Electrifying All Autos. Is Anyone Listening?
...Toyota understands both the car market and the infrastructure that supports it perhaps better than any other manufacturer on the planet. It hasn’t grown its footprint through acquisitions, as Volkswagen has, and it hasn’t undergone bankruptcy and bailout as GM has. Toyota has grown by building reliable cars for decades.


That opinion is straightforward: The world is not yet ready to support a fully electric auto fleet.

Toyota’s head of energy and environmental research Robert Wimmer testified before the Senate this week, and said: “If we are to make dramatic progress in electrification, it will require overcoming tremendous challenges, including refueling infrastructure, battery availability, consumer acceptance, and affordability.”

grid and infrastructure simply aren’t there to support the electrification of the private car fleet. A 2017 U.S. government study found that we would need about 8,500 strategically-placed charge stations to support a fleet of just 7 million electric cars. That’s about six times the current number of electric cars but no one is talking about supporting just 7 million cars. We should be talking about powering about 300 million within the next 20 years, if all manufacturers follow GM and stop making ICE cars."

Toyota Warns (Again) About Electrifying All Autos. Is Anyone Listening?

pjmedia.com

"With Its Power Grid Under Pressure, California Asks Residents to Avoid Charging Electric Vehicles​

With Its Power Grid Under Pressure, California Asks Residents to Avoid Charging Electric Vehicles

www.theepochtimes.com

 

[Old Rocks]

Green Energy????

Just one more fake Liberal plan to grow government.



1. "....Green Cars Have a Dirty Little Secret
Producing and charging electric cars means heavy carbon-dioxide emissions.

2. Electric cars are promoted as the chic harbinger of an environmentally benign future. Ads assure us of "zero emissions," and President Obama has promised a million on the road by 2015. ... that million-car figure is a pipe dream.



3. But for those who do own an electric car, at least there is the consolation that it's truly green, right? Not really.

4. For proponents ... the main argument is that their electric cars—whether it's a $100,000 Fisker Karma (Mr. DiCaprio's ride) or a $28,000 Nissan Leaf—don't contribute to global warming.

5. ....electric cars don't emit carbon-dioxide on the road. But the energy used for their manufacture and continual battery charges certainly does—far more than most people realize.


6. .... [half the]carbon-dioxide emissions from an electric car come from the energy used to produce the car, especially the battery.
The mining of lithium, for instance, is a less than green activity. By contrast, the manufacture of a gas-powered car accounts for 17% of its lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions. When an electric car rolls off the production line, it has already been responsible for 30,000 pounds of carbon-dioxide emission. The amount for making a conventional car: 14,000 pounds.

a. If a typical electric car is driven 50,000 miles over its lifetime, the huge initial emissions from its manufacture means the car will actually have put more carbon-dioxide in the atmosphere than a similar-size gasoline-powered car driven the same number of miles.

b..... the energy used to recharge the electric car comes mostly from coal-fired power plants, it will be responsible for the emission of almost 15 ounces of carbon-dioxide for every one of the 50,000 miles it is driven—three ounces more than a similar gas-powered car.




7. ...they still recharge using electricity overwhelmingly produced with fossil fuels. Thus, the life-cycle analysis shows that for every mile driven, the average electric car indirectly emits about six ounces of carbon-dioxide. This is still a lot better than a similar-size conventional car, which emits about 12 ounces per mile. But remember, the production of the electric car has already resulted in sizeable emissions—the equivalent of 80,000 miles of travel in the vehicle.



8. ...the Nissan Leaf. It has only a 73-mile range per charge. Drivers attempting long road trips, as in one BBC test drive, have reported that recharging takes so long that the average speed is close to six miles per hour—a bit faster than your average jogger/

a. ...the batteries in electric cars fade with time, just as they do in a cellphone. Nissan estimates that after five years, the less effective batteries in a typical Leaf bring the range down to 55 miles. As the MIT Technology Review cautioned last year: "Don't Drive Your Nissan Leaf Too Much."

If a typical electric car is driven 50,000 miles over its lifetime, the huge initial emissions from its manufacture means the car will actually have put more carbon-dioxide in the atmosphere than a similar-size gasoline-powered car driven the same number of miles.

9.....the U.S. federal government essentially subsidizes electric-car buyers with up to $7,500. In addition, more than $5.5 billion in federal grants and loans go directly to battery and electric-car manufacturers like California-based Fisker Automotive and Tesla Motors . This is a very poor deal for taxpayers.




10. ....as a way to tackle global warming now it does virtually nothing. The real challenge is to get green energy that is cheaper than fossil fuels. ...Spending instead on subsidizing electric cars is putting the cart before the horse, and an inconvenient and expensive cart at that."
Bjorn Lomborg Green Cars Have a Dirty Little Secret - WSJ



Oh, noooozzzzzz!!

Another Liberal bubble burst.

What an absolute pile of shit you post. By 2025, EV's will be cheaper, have more range, be more dependable, last longer, and outperform ICE's in all venues.

 

[Old Rocks]

There is no other production car in the world that can match a Model S Plaid in performance. With a range of 390 miles it matches most 5 passenger luxury sedans in range. And it costs far less than most other sports sedans.

 

[Old Rocks]

Love the fact that this is from five years ago. Shows just how out of touch PC is from reality. Her prognosticative abilities are equal to her political acumen.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Green Energy????

Just one more fake Liberal plan to grow government.



1. "....Green Cars Have a Dirty Little Secret
Producing and charging electric cars means heavy carbon-dioxide emissions.

2. Electric cars are promoted as the chic harbinger of an environmentally benign future. Ads assure us of "zero emissions," and President Obama has promised a million on the road by 2015. ... that million-car figure is a pipe dream.



3. But for those who do own an electric car, at least there is the consolation that it's truly green, right? Not really.

4. For proponents ... the main argument is that their electric cars—whether it's a $100,000 Fisker Karma (Mr. DiCaprio's ride) or a $28,000 Nissan Leaf—don't contribute to global warming.

5. ....electric cars don't emit carbon-dioxide on the road. But the energy used for their manufacture and continual battery charges certainly does—far more than most people realize.


6. .... [half the]carbon-dioxide emissions from an electric car come from the energy used to produce the car, especially the battery.
The mining of lithium, for instance, is a less than green activity. By contrast, the manufacture of a gas-powered car accounts for 17% of its lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions. When an electric car rolls off the production line, it has already been responsible for 30,000 pounds of carbon-dioxide emission. The amount for making a conventional car: 14,000 pounds.

a. If a typical electric car is driven 50,000 miles over its lifetime, the huge initial emissions from its manufacture means the car will actually have put more carbon-dioxide in the atmosphere than a similar-size gasoline-powered car driven the same number of miles.

b..... the energy used to recharge the electric car comes mostly from coal-fired power plants, it will be responsible for the emission of almost 15 ounces of carbon-dioxide for every one of the 50,000 miles it is driven—three ounces more than a similar gas-powered car.




7. ...they still recharge using electricity overwhelmingly produced with fossil fuels. Thus, the life-cycle analysis shows that for every mile driven, the average electric car indirectly emits about six ounces of carbon-dioxide. This is still a lot better than a similar-size conventional car, which emits about 12 ounces per mile. But remember, the production of the electric car has already resulted in sizeable emissions—the equivalent of 80,000 miles of travel in the vehicle.



8. ...the Nissan Leaf. It has only a 73-mile range per charge. Drivers attempting long road trips, as in one BBC test drive, have reported that recharging takes so long that the average speed is close to six miles per hour—a bit faster than your average jogger/

a. ...the batteries in electric cars fade with time, just as they do in a cellphone. Nissan estimates that after five years, the less effective batteries in a typical Leaf bring the range down to 55 miles. As the MIT Technology Review cautioned last year: "Don't Drive Your Nissan Leaf Too Much."

If a typical electric car is driven 50,000 miles over its lifetime, the huge initial emissions from its manufacture means the car will actually have put more carbon-dioxide in the atmosphere than a similar-size gasoline-powered car driven the same number of miles.

9.....the U.S. federal government essentially subsidizes electric-car buyers with up to $7,500. In addition, more than $5.5 billion in federal grants and loans go directly to battery and electric-car manufacturers like California-based Fisker Automotive and Tesla Motors . This is a very poor deal for taxpayers.




10. ....as a way to tackle global warming now it does virtually nothing. The real challenge is to get green energy that is cheaper than fossil fuels. ...Spending instead on subsidizing electric cars is putting the cart before the horse, and an inconvenient and expensive cart at that."
Bjorn Lomborg Green Cars Have a Dirty Little Secret - WSJ



Oh, noooozzzzzz!!

Another Liberal bubble burst.

What an absolute pile of shit you post. By 2025, EV's will be cheaper, have more range, be more dependable, last longer, and outperform ICE's in all venues.

Whenever I see one of your sort resort to vulgarity, I recognize the palpable fear of one who has no faith in his position, his worldview.


Excellent.

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

They say one picture is worth a thousand words..............then this video is worth several million words, guffaws, chuckles, and WTF's!!! It's also scary as hell, to realize she's loose and free to be on open roads in a killing machine. AND be loose and free in society in general!!

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

Tesla's are very dangerous vehicles. They are known to burst into flames for easily over-heating.
Because they are made from cheap aluminum, and aluminum burns at a lower temperature than steel, these vehicles burn rapidly and completely........putting more toxins into the air than a steel made, gas vehicle.

And if these auto companies TRULY want to put a "green" vehicle out on the roads.........they WHY aren't these battery operated vehicles made to self-generate their own power? Ludicrous hypocrisy otherwise!!!

 

[Flash]

LI batteries are terrible technology.

They are an ecological disaster to produce and dispose of.

They are heavy

They don't charge very efficiently

They don't save energy energy just transfers it to another location

They don't last very long

They are expensive as hell.

 

[Flash]

Most of these Environmental Wackos are so damn stupid as to not know that the batteries do not produce energy, just stores (poorly) energy produced elsewhere.

 

[Likkmee]

C'mon man. Those vaccines are free, we'll save the planet with green cars and even help you quit smoking. Sell Phillip-Morris--buy Pfizer !

Pfizer halts distribution of anti-smoking drug after finding carcinogen

Pfizer Inc said on Thursday it is pausing distribution of its anti-smoking treatment, Chantix, after finding e

www.jpost.com

 

[PoliticalChic]

They say one picture is worth a thousand words..............then this video is worth several million words, guffaws, chuckles, and WTF's!!! It's also scary as hell, to realize she's loose and free to be on open roads in a killing machine. AND be loose and free in society in general!!

What do you call a brunette between two blondes?


Translator.

 

[Mushroom]

Green Energy????

Just one more fake Liberal plan to grow government.



1. "....Green Cars Have a Dirty Little Secret
Producing and charging electric cars means heavy carbon-dioxide emissions.

2. Electric cars are promoted as the chic harbinger of an environmentally benign future. Ads assure us of "zero emissions," and President Obama has promised a million on the road by 2015. ... that million-car figure is a pipe dream.



3. But for those who do own an electric car, at least there is the consolation that it's truly green, right? Not really.

4. For proponents ... the main argument is that their electric cars—whether it's a $100,000 Fisker Karma (Mr. DiCaprio's ride) or a $28,000 Nissan Leaf—don't contribute to global warming.

5. ....electric cars don't emit carbon-dioxide on the road. But the energy used for their manufacture and continual battery charges certainly does—far more than most people realize.


6. .... [half the]carbon-dioxide emissions from an electric car come from the energy used to produce the car, especially the battery.
The mining of lithium, for instance, is a less than green activity. By contrast, the manufacture of a gas-powered car accounts for 17% of its lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions. When an electric car rolls off the production line, it has already been responsible for 30,000 pounds of carbon-dioxide emission. The amount for making a conventional car: 14,000 pounds.

a. If a typical electric car is driven 50,000 miles over its lifetime, the huge initial emissions from its manufacture means the car will actually have put more carbon-dioxide in the atmosphere than a similar-size gasoline-powered car driven the same number of miles.

b..... the energy used to recharge the electric car comes mostly from coal-fired power plants, it will be responsible for the emission of almost 15 ounces of carbon-dioxide for every one of the 50,000 miles it is driven—three ounces more than a similar gas-powered car.




7. ...they still recharge using electricity overwhelmingly produced with fossil fuels. Thus, the life-cycle analysis shows that for every mile driven, the average electric car indirectly emits about six ounces of carbon-dioxide. This is still a lot better than a similar-size conventional car, which emits about 12 ounces per mile. But remember, the production of the electric car has already resulted in sizeable emissions—the equivalent of 80,000 miles of travel in the vehicle.



8. ...the Nissan Leaf. It has only a 73-mile range per charge. Drivers attempting long road trips, as in one BBC test drive, have reported that recharging takes so long that the average speed is close to six miles per hour—a bit faster than your average jogger/

a. ...the batteries in electric cars fade with time, just as they do in a cellphone. Nissan estimates that after five years, the less effective batteries in a typical Leaf bring the range down to 55 miles. As the MIT Technology Review cautioned last year: "Don't Drive Your Nissan Leaf Too Much."

If a typical electric car is driven 50,000 miles over its lifetime, the huge initial emissions from its manufacture means the car will actually have put more carbon-dioxide in the atmosphere than a similar-size gasoline-powered car driven the same number of miles.

9.....the U.S. federal government essentially subsidizes electric-car buyers with up to $7,500. In addition, more than $5.5 billion in federal grants and loans go directly to battery and electric-car manufacturers like California-based Fisker Automotive and Tesla Motors . This is a very poor deal for taxpayers.




10. ....as a way to tackle global warming now it does virtually nothing. The real challenge is to get green energy that is cheaper than fossil fuels. ...Spending instead on subsidizing electric cars is putting the cart before the horse, and an inconvenient and expensive cart at that."
Bjorn Lomborg Green Cars Have a Dirty Little Secret - WSJ



Oh, noooozzzzzz!!

Another Liberal bubble burst.

What an absolute pile of shit you post. By 2025, EV's will be cheaper, have more range, be more dependable, last longer, and outperform ICE's in all venues.

Well, this thread is over 5 years old already.

Let's say we look at it again in 2025, and see how well your prediction has come true. Because there is nothing even close to showing you are right.

Unless you unquestionably believe anything Elron Musk says.

 

[Mushroom]

And if these auto companies TRULY want to put a "green" vehicle out on the roads.........they WHY aren't these battery operated vehicles made to self-generate their own power? Ludicrous hypocrisy otherwise!!!

That is known as a "hybrid", and it is by far the most popular electric vehicle in the world.

And once again, nothing new about that technology at all. What took decades was waiting for batteries to get small enough to put them in cars and not die in 2 years.