Election is over and no cries of "Stolen Election?"

[insein]

Oh right, Democrats won with the process this time eh? I think its rather ironic and sad that the last 3 major elections were "stolen" because Democrats lost. This election looked to be no different. Republicans making last second gains in the polls. Reports of rampant voter fraud going on all over the country being reported all day yesterday. Then a startling occurrence happened. Democrats began winning. All of sudden the amount of fraud accusations dropped to nearly zero on the mainstream outlets. Hmmmm. I wonder why?

Of course im stating the obvious here but yea, there's no media bias.

Thankfully, Republicans are not Democrats. We can focus on the real problem with why we lost. It was because our candidates werent good enough not because the Dems stole the election (which im sure they tried to but didnt need to this time).

We simply need better candidates with firmer principles. So hopefully the Democratic process will make it so that we get that next time.

 

[dmp]

We simply need better candidates with firmer principles. So hopefully the Democratic process will make it so that we get that next time.

See? I dunno if I think it's an issue of principle. Almost every caller I hear on talk radio, who says they voted democrat, said "because obvisouly SOMETHING needs to change!"

That's the most cop-out answer, ever. I think Republicans just need better information-passing. Republicans should spot-light how f'd up liberal democrats (and liberal republicans at times) are with their decision-making.

But honestly - I would NOT be surprised to see the gov't look more like Germany's gov't within 10-15 years. Socialism makes sense to ignorant people.

 

[insein]

See? I dunno if I think it's an issue of principle. Almost every caller I hear on talk radio, who says they voted democrat, said "because obvisouly SOMETHING needs to change!"

That's the most cop-out answer, ever. I think Republicans just need better information-passing. Republicans should spot-light how f'd up liberal democrats (and liberal republicans at times) are with their decision-making.

But honestly - I would NOT be surprised to see the gov't look more like Germany's gov't within 10-15 years. Socialism makes sense to ignorant people.

Sadly, socialism is very seductive because most people envy what others have. They see a nice car, they think "man wish i had a nice car." They see a friend with a brand new TV, they think "Wish i could have one of these." Its human instinct to want whats better.

What socialism offers is to take that guys shiny car, cut it in half and give half to you. Sounds fair. If i can't have a new sports car then neither can that guy, damn it. Most people have this retarded sense of punishing people because they are unhappy with their own lives. "If im unhappy, then everyone else has to be too." That essentially is what drives socialism. But you have to be unhappy first. Thats why Liberal democrats are always preaching doom and gloom to the people so that they can push socialist views on them little by little.

 

[theHawk]

The only thing we can hope for is when the Dems start cramming their socialist policies down America's throat, we'll digest it for a while then throw it up right back at them.

 

[Mr.Conley]

What the heck did you expect? Hey, we just took a huge majority in the House and probably a majority in the Senate, let's see what we can do to screw it up? Why the hell would any politcial party ever, EVER, EVER try to lose its own election?

 

[Mr. P]

What the heck did you expect? Hey, we just took a huge majority in the House and probably a majority in the Senate, let's see what we can do to screw it up? Why the hell would any politcial party ever, EVER, EVER try to lose its own election?

To motivate the base. To allow the opposition two years to commit suicide. To insure a big win in 08 insuring 4 more years. Give away 2yrs secure 4. It’s risky, but if it worked I’d laugh my ass off.

BTW…I doubt this is what was planned. Interesting thought though.

 

[Mr.Conley]

To motivate the base. To allow the opposition two years to commit suicide. To insure a big win in 08 insuring 4 more years. Give away 2yrs secure 4. It’s risky, but if it worked I’d laugh my ass off.

BTW…I doubt this is what was planned. Interesting thought though.

Risky is one word for it. I wouldn't want to intentionally lose an election on the hope that the other party might screw it up even more than I managed to, especially since my guy is still in the White House, and his actions and popularity will reflect more on the 08 race then the Congress'. Intentionally losing now doesn't guarantee the Republicans a victory in 08. It might be nice to imagine that the Democrats are going to fail simply because they are Democrats, but that's wishful thinking. Obviously, a significant proportion of the country feels that the Democrats are inherently destructive (otherwise they never would have won the election). Your plan sounds more like desperation than cunning political strategy to me.

 

[Mr. P]

Risky is one word for it. I wouldn't want to intentionally lose an election on the hope that the other party might screw it up even more than I managed to, especially since my guy is still in the White House, and his actions and popularity will reflect more on the 08 race then the Congress'. Intentionally losing now doesn't guarantee the Republicans a victory in 08. It might be nice to imagine that the Democrats are going to fail simply because they are Democrats, but that's wishful thinking. Obviously, a significant proportion of the country feels that the Democrats are inherently destructive (otherwise they never would have won the election). Your plan sounds more like desperation than cunning political strategy to me.

It's called a set up.

 

[Mr.Conley]

It's called a set up.

I have to admit that it'd be pretty kickass if it worked. I do enjoy upsets. However, I too doubt that it was the Republican plan.

 

[Avatar4321]

The only thing we can hope for is when the Dems start cramming their socialist policies down America's throat, we'll digest it for a while then throw it up right back at them.

Problem is, the President wont stand against it. He has this crazy notion that if they won they should drive the agenda.

 

[Avatar4321]

Risky is one word for it. I wouldn't want to intentionally lose an election on the hope that the other party might screw it up even more than I managed to, especially since my guy is still in the White House, and his actions and popularity will reflect more on the 08 race then the Congress'. Intentionally losing now doesn't guarantee the Republicans a victory in 08. It might be nice to imagine that the Democrats are going to fail simply because they are Democrats, but that's wishful thinking. Obviously, a significant proportion of the country feels that the Democrats are inherently destructive (otherwise they never would have won the election). Your plan sounds more like desperation than cunning political strategy to me.

That what i said. its sounds incredibly stupid.

 

[fuzzykitten99]

What the heck did you expect? Hey, we just took a huge majority in the House and probably a majority in the Senate, let's see what we can do to screw it up? Why the hell would any politcial party ever, EVER, EVER try to lose its own election?

This seems to be going like a game of chess. You can't get to your goal without sacrificing some, and you may make a few mistakes and have fewer pieces than the opponent at any point in the game, but that doesn't mean the game is lost, though it may appear so to your opponent-who gets cocky and starts making mistakes that are obvious even to the most novice of players. If you keep your head, rethink your situation, and plan ahead, you can still win and take over again, provided you are learning from those mistakes.

 

[Hobbit]

Problem is, the President wont stand against it. He has this crazy notion that if they won they should drive the agenda.

It's actually a pretty gutsy move starting that way, and smart, too, given the opposition. The Democrat plan is to oppose Bush. If Bush lets them set the agenda, it'll take them a while to get their bearings straight while the American public watches them wander around with no plan and try to pass nonsense just to show that they're actually doing something.

Oh, and yeah, the majority party drives the agenda most of the time. That's how it works. Bush still has veto power and sole discretion on how to use the military, but as far as law and policy, the ball is in the Democrats' court, and unlike those whiners, I don't expect Republicans to moan and complain about being given minority power.

 

[Mr.Conley]

This seems to be going like a game of chess. You can't get to your goal without sacrificing some, and you may make a few mistakes and have fewer pieces than the opponent at any point in the game, but that doesn't mean the game is lost, though it may appear so to your opponent-who gets cocky and starts making mistakes that are obvious even to the most novice of players. If you keep your head, rethink your situation, and plan ahead, you can still win and take over again, provided you are learning from those mistakes.

So your saying that the Republicans intentionally lost the Senate and let the Democrats rout them in the House in hopes that by losing everything they could come back and take it back at some point in the future? Your joking right?

 

[Avatar4321]

So your saying that the Republicans intentionally lost the Senate and let the Democrats rout them in the House in hopes that by losing everything they could come back and take it back at some point in the future? Your joking right?

The Republican party itself didn't. Individual republicans did. I think its rather insane myself. but just look at the comments from some people here. Thats what they were thinking when they didnt vote for the party.

 

[Mr. P]

The Republican party itself didn't. Individual republicans did. I think its rather insane myself. but just look at the comments from some people here. Thats what they were thinking when they didnt vote for the party.

Hey mindreader.:rotflmao: