Egyptians debunk Biblical fantasy that Israelites were slaves in Egypt

[Darkwind]

Rather than going off on a anti-Jewish tirade can you post up some relevant facts?

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Until then, I will regard you as being the one full of hatred.

Funny. I don't see any posts by Me that denigrate an entire people.....You...not so much....

But you believe what you will. Your words expose you for what you are.

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[Bobby1250]

Rather than going off on a anti-Jewish tirade can you post up some relevant facts?

Hatred needs no facts.

If you think you can rebut or refute the points made in the article which makes up the entirety of the OP, then please do so.

Until then, I will regard you as being the one full of hatred.

Funny. I don't see any posts by Me that denigrate an entire people.....You...not so much....

But you believe what you will. Your words expose you for what you are.

It doesn't matter to Me either way.

I posted an article by John Kaminski. If you disagree with what Mr. Kaminski wrote, you are free to email him at the link I provided. If you think I am impressed at your continual usage of argumentum ad hominems (attack the messenger), I'm not.

But you believe what you will. Your words expose you for what you are.

It doesn't matter to Me either way.

 

[Ringel05]

My anti-virus system calls your link malware...The Historicity of the Exodus 1 Jonathan Burke - Academia.edu

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Try again.

My advice? Address the points made during the entirety of the OP otherwise I'm going to regard you as a troll with nothing to say except lies.

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I could care less if someone like you considers me a troll or not. That paper addressed every one of your points as conjecture, someones' pet postulations.

 

[Bobby1250]

The zionist juden have created their own fantasy version of history for thousands of years.

The holohoax myth is their latest masterpiece. ....

I agree. Their 911 hoax was right up there with it.

 

[Bobby1250]

My anti-virus system calls your link malware...The Historicity of the Exodus 1 Jonathan Burke - Academia.edu

Let me guess Norton or MacAfee........

LOL

Try again.

My advice? Address the points made during the entirety of the OP otherwise I'm going to regard you as a troll with nothing to say except lies.

Obviously your anti-virus likes to give false positives. Oh well.
I could care less if someone like you considers me a troll or not. That paper addressed every one of your points as conjecture, someones' pet postulations.

We are not concerned with the paper you posted. In this thread we are only concerned with the article published by Mr. Kaminski.

Which thus far, you have refused to address.

 

[Ringel05]

Rather than going off on a anti-Jewish tirade can you post up some relevant facts?

Hatred needs no facts.

If you think you can rebut or refute the points made in the article which makes up the entirety of the OP, then please do so.

Until then, I will regard you as being the one full of hatred.

Funny. I don't see any posts by Me that denigrate an entire people.....You...not so much....

But you believe what you will. Your words expose you for what you are.

It doesn't matter to Me either way.

I posted an article by John Kaminski. If you disagree with what Mr. Kaminski wrote, you are free to email him at the link I provided. If you think I am impressed at your continual usage of argumentum ad hominems (attack the messenger), I'm not.

But you believe what you will. Your words expose you for what you are.

It doesn't matter to Me either way.

John Kaminski.......

Welp, you just showed your true colors.......

 

[Bobby1250]

Rather than going off on a anti-Jewish tirade can you post up some relevant facts?

Hatred needs no facts.

If you think you can rebut or refute the points made in the article which makes up the entirety of the OP, then please do so.

Until then, I will regard you as being the one full of hatred.

Funny. I don't see any posts by Me that denigrate an entire people.....You...not so much....

But you believe what you will. Your words expose you for what you are.

It doesn't matter to Me either way.

I posted an article by John Kaminski. If you disagree with what Mr. Kaminski wrote, you are free to email him at the link I provided. If you think I am impressed at your continual usage of argumentum ad hominems (attack the messenger), I'm not.

But you believe what you will. Your words expose you for what you are.

It doesn't matter to Me either way.

John Kaminski.......

Welp, you just showed your true colors.......

I haven't any true colors aside from red, white and blue, but you have shown your true colors by your continued refusal to address the topic and by your continued use of ad homiems.

 

[Ringel05]

My anti-virus system calls your link malware...The Historicity of the Exodus 1 Jonathan Burke - Academia.edu

Let me guess Norton or MacAfee........

LOL

Try again.

My advice? Address the points made during the entirety of the OP otherwise I'm going to regard you as a troll with nothing to say except lies.

Obviously your anti-virus likes to give false positives. Oh well.
I could care less if someone like you considers me a troll or not. That paper addressed every one of your points as conjecture, someones' pet postulations.

We are not concerned with the paper you posted. In this thread we are only concerned with the article published by Mr. Kaminski.

Which thus far, you have refused to address.

Keep deflecting and posting nutjob conspiracy tripe camraden...... It's all you have.
I'll keep laughing at your ignorant stupidity.

 

[Ringel05]

Hatred needs no facts.

If you think you can rebut or refute the points made in the article which makes up the entirety of the OP, then please do so.

Until then, I will regard you as being the one full of hatred.

Funny. I don't see any posts by Me that denigrate an entire people.....You...not so much....

But you believe what you will. Your words expose you for what you are.

It doesn't matter to Me either way.

I posted an article by John Kaminski. If you disagree with what Mr. Kaminski wrote, you are free to email him at the link I provided. If you think I am impressed at your continual usage of argumentum ad hominems (attack the messenger), I'm not.

But you believe what you will. Your words expose you for what you are.

It doesn't matter to Me either way.

John Kaminski.......

Welp, you just showed your true colors.......

I haven't any true colors aside from red, white and blue, but you have shown your true colors by your continued refusal to address the topic and by your continued use of ad homiems.

Does the evening nurse know you're posting from the dayroom computer?

 

[Bobby1250]

An exodus which was merely a myth

From http://hebdo.ahram.org.eg/arab/ahram/2007/4/18/voy2.htm

An exodus which was merely a myth

On the site of an ancient fortress, in northern Sinai, archaeologists of the Supreme Council of Antiquities (SCA) has announced that it had found some pumice stones, evidence of the terrible disaster and the first known tsunami in history. The volcanic rocks projected in the Sinai during the eruption, 3500 years ago, the volcano Cycladic of Thera, confirm stories Pharaohs.

The cataclysm of Thera, the current Santorini in the Aegean Sea, has been presented through innumerable writings as having preceded or caused the ten plagues of Egypt explained, or a punishment reserved for Levites revolted against Moses. "This discovery is not provided proof of the exodus, archaeology does not confirm this, and it is a myth," said Zahi Hawas, secretary general of the CSA. That the explosion of the volcano occurred, resulting in the decline of the Minoan civilization, Crete. A massive tidal wave would have resulted in the death of 35000 people on the coast south of the Mediterranean and in ashes villages in Egypt, Palestine and the Arabian peninsula. For Zahi Hawas, "if the exodus has occurred, what we do not know, it can not be at this time, but two centuries later, under Ramses II.

However, the presence of ash and volcanic rocks on the site of the ancient fortress of Tharo to Tell Hebwa, confirms, in his view, ancient inscriptions referring to the expulsion of the Hyksos, enemies of the Egyptians. Texts suggest, in fact , natural disasters occurred during the era of the Hyksos, a military caste came from the east, and their exodus before the start of the New Kingdom, carried out shortly by the eruption of the Thera volcano. For example, several stories relating to this war show up on a stele of the temple of Karnak Seti I do, in a description of the route of Horus in a text under Thoutmotsis III or on a papyrus on the war waged by King Ahmos.

The skeletons hyksos

The team also discovered in the Sinai desert the ruins of a fort with four rectangular towers, which date from the eighteenth pharaonic dynasty. This fortress is now considered the oldest structure on the military line of defense, also known as Route Horus. But there was not the slightest proof of the story of the Old Testament, the story of Moses and the Jews, and their exodus from Egypt and their wandering in the wilderness. Two female skeletons, pottery and jewelry were recovered. Those remains were members of the civilization hyksos, an enemy of the people of the ancient Egyptians.

The researchers argue that this discovery is particularly interesting because of the volcanic rocks found on the site of the excavations. They believe that these are traces left by the eruption of Santorini volcano, more than 15 centuries before Christ. Santorini is a small archipelago of volcanic islands in the Aegean Sea, south-east of mainland Greece. This volcano would then have killed more than 35000 people and wiped out the Minoan civilization on the island of Crete.

The intersection of war

Showing the foundations of the fort of the XVIIIth dynasty, the oldest ever found in this line of defense, known as the road of Horus, Mohamad Abdel-Maqsoud, the leader of excavations and the director of the central administration of Egyptian antiquities, said that it is testimony to the fierceness of the fighting. "It is here that was established the first large lock of the empire against the conquerors from the east, as the Hyksos," he says, whereas today the Suez Canal is only 5 km. But the basis for subsequent attacks in the Pharaonic empire in the direction of Palestine, with the establishment of a chain composed of a dozen strongholds until what is now known as the Gaza Strip.

This story may have inspired the biblical story of the exodus, according to some scholars. "They can say what they want, I detailed, did not hesitate to say Hawas. I am an archaeologist and my job is to tell the truth. If the truth disturbed, it's not my problem. " The story of the exodus is celebrated as a crucial moment in the creation of the Jewish people. According to the Old Testament, Moses was the son of a Jewish slave who had abandoned on the Nile in a wicker basket to protect the Pharaoh's persecution.

Rescued from the waters by the Pharaoh's daughter and raised in the court, he will discover the secret of its origins and, with God's help, will free his people. But archaeologists working in the region have never managed to substantiate the biblical narrative, as to the presence of the Jews in Egypt, there is only one archaeological discovery may confirm it. Many books have been written on the subject, but the debate is for the most part remained quiet in order not to offend believers.

"Without historical evidence, we are forced to say that some things are never arrived: it is the job of an archaeologist," Hawas. The site is a two-hour drive from Cairo, after the bridge Mubarak, in the northern Sinai, in a region called East Qantara. For nearly a decade, archaeologists returning Egyptian soil with the help of surrounding towns daily to try to unearth remnants of the past.

This desolate landscape, which is the monotony broken only by a few electrical towers, has generated enthusiasm because it confirms stories told in hieroglyphics or going back to antiquity. The archaeological remains dating in fact more or less at the time, according to the Bible, the Jews fled Egypt and then spent forty years wandering in the wilderness in search of the Promised Land. "The exodus is a myth," said Hawas front of a wall built during the period known as the New Kingdom.

 

[Slyhunter]

I've never put anyone on ignore before, but I'm seriously thinking about doing it now. If you put someone on ignore your the only one who can't read what they post. But they always post bullshit so do you really need to read it?

 

[Bobby1250]

I've never put anyone on ignore before, but I'm seriously thinking about doing it now. If you put someone on ignore your the only one who can't read what they post. But they always post bullshit so do you really need to read it?

Gosh, I'm just SOO sorry genuine history offends you so much that you would threaten to put a person on ignore, or do it. By all means, you stick to Cecil B. Demille's "The Ten Commandments" and leave genuine history alone.

 

[Slyhunter]

I've never put anyone on ignore before, but I'm seriously thinking about doing it now. If you put someone on ignore your the only one who can't read what they post. But they always post bullshit so do you really need to read it?

Gosh, I'm just SOO sorry genuine history offends you so much that you would threaten to put a person on ignore, or do it. By all means, you stick to Cecil B. Demille's "The Ten Commandments" and leave genuine history alone.

I might put you on ignore simply for having that horrible avatar.

 

[Bobby1250]

Top Israeli archaeologists contest Jewish ties to Jerusalem

OCCUPIED JERUSALEM, (PIC)– Top Israeli archaeologist Israel Finkelstein has denied the existence of Jewish roots in the city of Jerusalem, contrary to Israel’s claims that have prompted continued Judaization of the city.

Finkelstein, a professor at Tel Aviv University, said Jewish archaeologists have failed to unearth historic sites to support some of the stories in the Torah. Among those stories are the Jewish Exodus, the forty-year wandering in the Sinai desert, and Joshua’s victory over the Canaanites.

He also said there was no archaeological evidence that concludes that the alleged Temple of Solomon ever existed.

For his part, Professor of Archaeology at Tel Aviv University Raphael Greenberg said that the Israelis should have found something after digging for six weeks in the City of David in East Jerusalem’s Silwan district, but have found nothing in two years of continuous excavations.

Prof. Yoni Mihrazi, an independent archaeologist who has worked with the International Atomic Energy Agency, agreed with Finkelstein’s findings, saying that top settler organization Elad had not stumbled upon even a banner saying “welcome to the city of David”, given that claims were made to have been relying on sacred texts to guide them in their work.


https://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2011/08/08/top-israeli-archaeologists-contest-jewish-ties-to-jerusalem/

 

[Bobby1250]

I've never put anyone on ignore before, but I'm seriously thinking about doing it now. If you put someone on ignore your the only one who can't read what they post. But they always post bullshit so do you really need to read it?

Gosh, I'm just SOO sorry genuine history offends you so much that you would threaten to put a person on ignore, or do it. By all means, you stick to Cecil B. Demille's "The Ten Commandments" and leave genuine history alone.

I might put you on ignore simply for having that horrible avatar.

LOL

 

[Penelope]

My anti-virus system calls your link malware...The Historicity of the Exodus 1 Jonathan Burke - Academia.edu

Let me guess Norton or MacAfee........

LOL

Try again.

My advice? Address the points made during the entirety of the OP otherwise I'm going to regard you as a troll with nothing to say except lies.

Obviously your anti-virus likes to give false positives. Oh well.
I could care less if someone like you considers me a troll or not. That paper addressed every one of your points as conjecture, someones' pet postulations.

First I didn't know who the author was , no bio on him, and the links were mainly Jewish historians and the Hebrew bible itself that I checked out. You can't prove the bible using the bible. Also the story of they couldn't do digging in the Sinai is old news, if over 600,000 men plus woman and children spent 40 years roaming in it, there would be some evidence. What did they eat, bones of their buried dead , something , and yet they find some tidbits in Israel now, after all these years. What happened to all the gold they took with them?

Please read Sargon of Akkad story and Gilgamesh Flood story. They got the tales from Sumerians, they never even had the Torah in Babylon , the begun writing the Talmud, and the Ezra then went on to Jerusalem and wrote the Torah with Persian Priests. They were not even monotheistic before the Persian influence. I'm sorry , but it just does not add up.

 

[Bobby1250]

My anti-virus system calls your link malware...The Historicity of the Exodus 1 Jonathan Burke - Academia.edu

Let me guess Norton or MacAfee........

LOL

Try again.

My advice? Address the points made during the entirety of the OP otherwise I'm going to regard you as a troll with nothing to say except lies.

Obviously your anti-virus likes to give false positives. Oh well.
I could care less if someone like you considers me a troll or not. That paper addressed every one of your points as conjecture, someones' pet postulations.

First I didn't know who the author was , no bio on him, and the links were mainly Jewish historians and the Hebrew bible itself that I checked out. You can't prove the bible using the bible. Also the story of they couldn't do digging in the Sinai is old news, if over 600,000 men plus woman and children spent 40 years roaming in it, there would be some evidence. What did they eat, bones of their buried dead , something , and yet they find some tidbits in Israel now, after all these years. What happened to all the gold they took with them?

Please read Sargon of Akkad story and Gilgamesh Flood story. They got the tales from Sumerians, they never even had the Torah in Babylon , the begun writing the Talmud, and the Ezra then went on to Jerusalem and wrote the Torah with Persian Priests. They were not even monotheistic before the Persian influence. I'm sorry , but it just does not add up.

On the other hand, all Zionist archaeologists have failed – after digging up every conceivable corner of Palestine for the last 62 years – to come up with a single credible Jewish teapot or tablespoon, let alone excavate an alleged Jewish temple remotely matching the grandeur of any of the visible relics of Andaluc’a.

Not only that, but they needn’t have bothered digging. Seven years ago, Israeli Professor, Shlomo Sand, argued, with meticulous scholarship in his earth-shattering book, The Invention of the Jewish People, that the claim that the Jews of today are the ethnic offspring of the biblical Jews is yet another Zionist myth, because all records tell us that the current Jews are the descendants of Khazar tribes who converted to Judaism, and have no genetic link whatsoever to the Jews who lived in Palestine during Roman times.

The latter, he concludes, are, most ironically, none other than the Palestinians of today who converted to Islam (or Christianity), because the Romans apparently never exiled anybody. Moreover, Sand demolishes the myth of the kingdoms of David and Solomon by proving they are pure legends that never existed. What is astonishing is that, to date, no Israeli historian has been able to debate, let alone refute, any of Sand’s devastating findings.

 

[Bobby1250]

'Myth of Exile': Justifying Slaughter in Gaza

Yet Zionist historians recognize that the story of Israel’s expulsion from the land by the Romans and its destined return, the central doctrine underlying the Israeli denial of the claims of the Palestinians, is but a myth.

This has come out in a current extraordinary controversy over a new work of history that has come out in Hebrew and will shortly be appearing in English. It is When and How Was the Jewish People Invented? by Shlomo Sand. (Resling, 358 pages, NIS 94.) After 19 weeks on the Israeli best-seller list, it is being translated into a dozen languages and will be published in the United States this year by Verso.

According to this, the Romans did not expel the whole people from the land, as widely recounted. The ‘Diaspora’ of Judaism is instead mostly the consequence of the conversion of people from other nations, especially the Khazars of the Black Sea region, from whom most European Jews are descended. From his research, it seems that the Palestinians have more roots among the ancient peoples of the land of Israel than do most Israelis.

We already know that Moses (Akhenaten) plagiarized much of the old testament from earlier sources, such as the Epic of Gilgamesh. (As a side note it must be remembered that what we consider theft of ideas today was considered perfectly acceptable literary behavior in that age. It was the labor-intensive book which was considered the thing of value, rather than the stories it contained.)

Based on recent archaeological evidence, it appears that the story of the Exodus from Egypt actually came from the history of the Hykso's, rather than the Hebrews. But it makes for a good tale and Moses copied it along with his other "research."

Religious documents are just that. They are documents about stories and beliefs; told around campfires by primitive people who really did not know how the world worked or the universe came into being and so they just made it all up as an entertainment. Where possible they fitted in other stories they heard from before, some true, some fictional, and blended it together into a hodgepodge of folklore.

But it is not history. And it is not science. And killing other people over it all is just plain stupid.

 

[Picaro]

Well, I don't know about anybody else here, but I find for one am just completely awed and impressed by the many profound and totally brilliant arguments from silence presented here by the OP poster!!!! All you uneducated Jew Loving savages can count yourselves thoroughly humiliated!!!!

 

[Bobby1250]

Well, I don't know about anybody else here, but I find for one am just completely awed and impressed by the many profound and totally brilliant arguments from silence presented here by the OP poster!!!! All you uneducated Jew Loving savages can count yourselves thoroughly humiliated!!!!