Easy Solution to the Decifit/National Debt Crisis

[DGS49]

The best way to judge if someone is "smart" is to see if they agree with me

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2025/01/24/the_constitution_provides_answers_to_our_federal_debt_problem_152236.html

These guys get it. The vast majority of Congressional discretionary spending is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Congress' power to spend money is outlined by, and limited to, what is articulated in Article I, Section 8. See also the Tenth Amendment.

Congress has NO POWER to spend money to feed people, to house people, to educate people, to pay for their healthcare expenses, or to save the [fucking] planet. All of such spending is unconstitutional, and none of it was done until FDR came into office, when Leftists took over.

This is not to say that doing those things is a bad thing. All of that stuff can and should be done or supplemented by "government," just not our Federal government.

I think they miss the mark on Medicare and Social Security, but I could be wrong. Congress provided that those programs be funded, not by conventional income taxes, but by "payroll" taxes which are separate, and are placed into a virtual "trust fund."

But technically, those programs are unconstitutional as well.

Imagine, if you will, that the USA declared bankruptcy, and bankruptcy judge appointed a Trustee to run the country while our assets were being evaluated and sold off. The first thing the Trustee would do would be to look at the Constitution, Article I, and compare what Congress is spending money on with what Congress is empowered to spend money on, eliminating what is unconstitutional. All of those programs would be killed immediately. Sorry.

 

[Moonglow]

For a guy who claims to be a legal beagle, you don't know shit about the government or the Constitution


Yes, according to the US Constitution, Congress has the power to establish departments and agencies within the executive branch through its legislative authority, essentially creating the structure of the executive branch by passing laws that define these entities and their functions.

Key points about this power:

• Article I of the Constitution:
  This is where Congress's lawmaking power is outlined, which includes the ability to create and organize federal agencies within the executive branch.
  
  
• Oversight and Control:
  Beyond creating agencies, Congress also has the power to oversee their operations and regulate how they function through legislation.
  
  
• Presidential Appointment:
  While Congress establishes the agencies, the President typically appoints the heads of these departments and agencies, subject to Senate confirmation.

 

[sparky]

So am i reading a subtle change in grammar a century ago was the turning point DG ?


~S~

 

[1srelluc]

As far as SS goes, they stole the money (around 400K average over 50 years) I could have invested in my own future so, Fuck You, Pay Me.

 

[Oddball]

So am i reading a subtle change in grammar a century ago was the turning point DG ?


~S~

They've been jacking with language and semantics for over a century....It's one of the principal observations of 1984.

 

[DGS49]

For a guy who claims to be a legal beagle, you don't know shit about the government or the Constitution


Yes, according to the US Constitution, Congress has the power to establish departments and agencies within the executive branch through its legislative authority, essentially creating the structure of the executive branch by passing laws that define these entities and their functions.

Key points about this power:

• Article I of the Constitution:
  This is where Congress's lawmaking power is outlined, which includes the ability to create and organize federal agencies within the executive branch.
  
  
• Oversight and Control:
  Beyond creating agencies, Congress also has the power to oversee their operations and regulate how they function through legislation.
  
  
• Presidential Appointment:
  While Congress establishes the agencies, the President typically appoints the heads of these departments and agencies, subject to Senate confirmation

Where, exactly, does the Tenth Amendment fit into your view. Dead letter law?

 

[BackAgain]

For a guy who claims to be a legal beagle, you don't know shit about the government or the Constitution


Yes, according to the US Constitution, Congress has the power to establish departments and agencies within the executive branch through its legislative authority, essentially creating the structure of the executive branch by passing laws that define these entities and their functions.

Key points about this power:

• Article I of the Constitution:
  This is where Congress's lawmaking power is outlined, which includes the ability to create and organize federal agencies within the executive branch.
  
  
• Oversight and Control:
  Beyond creating agencies, Congress also has the power to oversee their operations and regulate how they function through legislation.
  
  
• Presidential Appointment:
  While Congress establishes the agencies, the President typically appoints the heads of these departments and agencies, subject to Senate confirmation.

The departments etc still require Constitutionally enumerated powers to be valid, you twit.

 

[Moonglow]

The departments etc still require Constitutionally enumerated powers to be valid, you twit.

The Constitution gives Congress the power.
The Necessary and Proper Clause is Article I, Section 8, Clause 18 of the United States Constitution. It gives Congress the power to make laws that are necessary and proper to carry out the powers granted to the government by the Constitution.

Explanation

• The clause is also known as the Elastic Clause, Coefficient Clause, or Basket Clause.
  
  
• It was added to the Constitution to address the limitations of the Articles of Confederation, which only gave the federal government powers that were explicitly granted.
  
  
• • The clause gives Congress the power to make laws for any government department or officer.
    
  • The clause gives Congress implied powers in addition to the enumerated powers granted to it.
    
  • The clause allows Congress to take actions that are rationally related to the implementation of enumerated powers.
    

Examples

• • In the 1819 Supreme Court case McCulloch v. Maryland, the court ruled that Congress has the implied power to establish a bank. This decision established the supremacy of the federal government over the states.
    
  • The clause has been used to justify the individual mandate in "Obamacare".

 

[sparky]

They've been jacking with language and semantics for over a century....It's one of the principal observations of 1984.

i guess so Odd one
they did this with the 2nd as well......

~S~

 

[Winco]

As far as SS goes, they stole the money (around 400K average over 50 years) I could have invested in my own future so, Fuck You, Pay Me.

But you would NOT have done so.

Wild spender on guns and ammo.
You would have more of that ^^^^, but FUCK you, if you believe that the 'others' would have actually invested those SS otherwise, rather than spend it ALL on living expenses.

Thank the Lord for SS, it has saved our many lower income elders.

 

[BackAgain]

The Constitution gives Congress the power.
The Necessary and Proper Clause is Article I, Section 8, Clause 18 of the United States Constitution. It gives Congress the power to make laws that are necessary and proper to carry out the powers granted to the government by the Constitution.

Explanation

• The clause is also known as the Elastic Clause, Coefficient Clause, or Basket Clause.
  
  
• It was added to the Constitution to address the limitations of the Articles of Confederation, which only gave the federal government powers that were explicitly granted.
  
  
• • The clause gives Congress the power to make laws for any government department or officer.
  • The clause gives Congress implied powers in addition to the enumerated powers granted to it.
  • The clause allows Congress to take actions that are rationally related to the implementation of enumerated powers.

Examples

• • In the 1819 Supreme Court case McCulloch v. Maryland, the court ruled that Congress has the implied power to establish a bank. This decision established the supremacy of the federal government over the states.
  • The clause has been used to justify the individual mandate in "Obamacare".

You don’t have the slightest clue on this topic.

The necessary and proper clause is not a provision permitting Congress to ignore the enumerated powers.

Try again.

 

[Moonglow]

You don’t have the slightest clue on this topic.

The necessary and proper clause is not a provision permitting Congress to ignore the enumerated powers.

Try again.

The enumerated powers are not ignored; if they were a lawsuit would follow.

 

[BackAgain]

The enumerated powers are not ignored; if they were a lawsuit would follow.

Nonsense. They ignore their enumerated powers all the time.

How else do we have a federal DEPARTMENT of education?

 

[jwoodie]

if you believe that the 'others' would have actually invested those SS otherwise, rather than spend it ALL on living expenses.

Thank the Lord for SS, it has saved our many lower income elders.

Perhaps it would have been better to allow states to "opt in" to Social Security rather than "opt out" with their own pension plans?

 

[Moonglow]

Nonsense. They ignore their enumerated powers all the time.

How else do we have a federal DEPARTMENT of education?

It was created by Congress.

 

[BackAgain]

It was created by Congress.

Duh. But that doesn’t make it Constitutional, you dope.

 

[Markle]

The best way to judge if someone is "smart" is to see if they agree with me

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2025/01/24/the_constitution_provides_answers_to_our_federal_debt_problem_152236.html

These guys get it. The vast majority of Congressional discretionary spending is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Congress' power to spend money is outlined by, and limited to, what is articulated in Article I, Section 8. See also the Tenth Amendment.

Congress has NO POWER to spend money to feed people, to house people, to educate people, to pay for their healthcare expenses, or to save the [fucking] planet. All of such spending is unconstitutional, and none of it was done until FDR came into office, when Leftists took over.

This is not to say that doing those things is a bad thing. All of that stuff can and should be done or supplemented by "government," just not our Federal government.

I think they miss the mark on Medicare and Social Security, but I could be wrong. Congress provided that those programs be funded, not by conventional income taxes, but by "payroll" taxes which are separate, and are placed into a virtual "trust fund."

But technically, those programs are unconstitutional as well.

Imagine, if you will, that the USA declared bankruptcy, and bankruptcy judge appointed a Trustee to run the country while our assets were being evaluated and sold off. The first thing the Trustee would do would be to look at the Constitution, Article I, and compare what Congress is spending money on with what Congress is empowered to spend money on, eliminating what is unconstitutional. All of those programs would be killed immediately. Sorry.

Sorry, but this thread is not unlike the one that asks, "What would you do if you won the national lottery?" Sheer fantasy.

Constitutional or not, we'll never do away with Social Security. We'll make changes but never do away with the system.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

Every new administration creates two new agencies. If you want to reduce the deficit do the following:
1. Stop giving money to foreign nations.
2. Reduce the number of existing agencies.
3. Stop giving out money for politicians "pet projects" and stupid research projects.
4. End giving free medical care for D.C. politicians and make them get their own health care insurance.
5. Reduce the number of "perks" the D.C. politicians get. I still recall that a senator (don't recall which one) said that he wouldn't be a politician if weren't for the perks. I don't want someone in D.C. for the perks, but to serve the voters.

 

[Woodznutz]

As far as SS goes, they stole the money (around 400K average over 50 years) I could have invested in my own future so, Fuck You, Pay Me.

I wouldn't have saved and/or invested anything. I love SS.