Early Middle Ages Christianity

[rupol2000]

How can the icons of that era (pre-Romanesque and Romanesque art) be interpreted from the point of view of modern Judeo-Christianity? Was there a Jewish element in this Christianity? How could the patriarchal cross of the Hungarians be connected with this?

 

[alang1216]

Was there a Jewish element in this Christianity?

Although it began as a Jewish cult, Christianity never attracted large numbers of Jews and I think the Romans wiped out most of them when it retook Jerusalem after the revolt. It was the pagan converts living outside of Palestine that really shaped the early Church.

 

[rupol2000]

Although it began as a Jewish cult, Christianity never attracted large numbers of Jews and I think the Romans wiped out most of them when it retook Jerusalem after the revolt. It was the pagan converts living outside of Palestine that really shaped the early Church.

Under the early church, they represent very heterogeneous movements, such as Gnosticism, Neoplatonism, Mithraism, it is all very difficult to refer to "Jewish Christianity"
It seems that signs of Judeo-Christianity appeared there only in Gothic icon painting.
Canonical Scripture appeared even later, during the Reformation
And the first reliable manuscripts of this scripture appeared not earlier than the 10th century, and even then, this is not certain. Only a graphological expertise was carried out

 

[LaDairis]

Remember that the largest branch of Christianity in 900 was one which said Jesus would return in year 1000.

Hence the Crusades...

Being 100% wrong never stops the "true believers..."

 

[rupol2000]

It was the pagan

Here, too, there is a confusion between the paganus and the polytheists. Paganus in the literal sense meant apparently the inhabitants of northern Europe, this word is somehow connected with swamps. They had cults in many ways similar to both the Eucharist and the old Judaism. Their temples had altars and altar partitions, and they offered sacrifices. This is all similar to the semantics of Dionysianism and the Christian Eucharist. But this may mean not the paganus, but the polytheists who had nothing to do with this. In slavic language no this word at al, there used word "yazichniki" and this word apparently came from "yazigi". It's old aryan gods that was in Middle Asia before zoroastrism and this gods was analog of saints in christianity in the time of zoroasrism. And this is absolutely different things. This cult of politheists was part of christianity itself

 

[rupol2000]

Remember that the largest branch of Christianity in 900 was one which said Jesus would return in year 1000.

I'm not sure yet that there was Christianity at all at that time. There is no reliable trace of this

This attribute of crosses was evident not only in Christianity, it is a fairly ancient symbol. We see scenes on the icons that most likely come from other cultures. For example, George the Victorious is a common symbol of a serpent fighter, which goes far beyond the boundaries of Christianity, for example, on the icon, which is at the beginning of the topic, there is no Judeo-Christian plot at all, there is a bull in the sky.

 

[rupol2000]

The symbol of the crucifix also appeared in the Middle Ages, and it is not clear what it could originally mean. For example, it could symbolize the plot of the execution of Artaxerxes Bess.
In any case it was not earler then Middle Ages
In addition, the interpretation is very dubious, because the essence of the crucifixion was in tearing the body and not in hanging on the cross. Otherwise, there was no point in using cross at all.

 

[rupol2000]

Patriarch cross had the form like this

It seems for this reason on some icons it was neccesary to paint also footrest,

 

[alang1216]

Canonical Scripture appeared even later, during the Reformation
And the first reliable manuscripts of this scripture appeared not earlier than the 10th century, and even then, this is not certain. Only a graphological expertise was carried out

It seems likely that the scriptures were first written down between 60 and 95 AD, based on earlier writings and oral traditions. We have recognizable fragments from much earlier than the Reformation.

 

[alang1216]

Here, too, there is a confusion between the paganus and the polytheists. Paganus in the literal sense meant apparently the inhabitants of northern Europe, this word is somehow connected with swamps. They had cults in many ways similar to both the Eucharist and the old Judaism. Their temples had altars and altar partitions, and they offered sacrifices. This is all similar to the semantics of Dionysianism and the Christian Eucharist. But this may mean not the paganus, but the polytheists who had nothing to do with this. In slavic language no this word at al, there used word "yazichniki" and this word apparently came from "yazigi". It's old aryan gods that was in Middle Asia before zoroastrism and this gods was analog of saints in christianity in the time of zoroasrism. And this is absolutely different things. This cult of politheists was part of christianity itself

Sorry but I didn't follow any of that.

 

[Votto]

Remember that the largest branch of Christianity in 900 was one which said Jesus would return in year 1000.

Hence the Crusades...

Being 100% wrong never stops the "true believers..."

Mark 13:32 “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.

 

[surada]

Although it began as a Jewish cult, Christianity never attracted large numbers of Jews and I think the Romans wiped out most of them when it retook Jerusalem after the revolt. It was the pagan converts living outside of Palestine that really shaped the early Church.

The early Christians left Jerusalem for the safety of the mountains before the destruction of the temple.

 

[alang1216]

The early Christians left Jerusalem for the safety of the mountains before the destruction of the temple.

I'm sure it was like Afghanistan, some that could left, but most could not and stayed.

 

[surada]

I'm sure it was like Afghanistan, some that could left, but most could not and stayed.

Church reports they went to Pella.

 

[fncceo]

Remember that the largest branch of Christianity in 900 was one which said Jesus would return in year 1000.

Hence the Crusades...

Actually, the First Crusade didn't start until 1099.

 

[alang1216]

Church reports they went to Pella.

Everyone went to Pella?

 

[surada]

Everyone went to Pella?

Just the Christians. ... That's what historians report. They survived the tribulation that Josephus wrote about.

 

[alang1216]

Just the Christians. ... That's what historians report. They survived the tribulation that Josephus wrote about.

Was it Josephus or Eusebius?

 

[Indeependent]

How can the icons of that era (pre-Romanesque and Romanesque art) be interpreted from the point of view of modern Judeo-Christianity? Was there a Jewish element in this Christianity? How could the patriarchal cross of the Hungarians be connected with this?

The Roman Catholic Church is based on Greek and Roman Mythology.
At the time it made sense to make the people feel helpless and worthless.

 

[Indeependent]

I see alang, the teacher, is here!