DONE - GOING TO JAIL! -- Official: Some Clinton emails 'too damaging' to release'

[Care4all]

Need to at least scan thru some of the links. To get from Secured to Unsecured requires some work.

How Hillary Got Classified Information Onto Her Private Email

one way is to cut/paste from secured.......

More likely is that the minion opens the PDF of the classified document, which still retains all the classification markings. The minion then cuts and pastes some or all of the classified material, sans classification header, out of the PDF and into the body of an email, then sends it, unsecure, to Clinton’s unsecure server. This was an unsecure system where, it is important to note, she stored over a thousand documents containing classified material. And those are just the documents she didn’t delete.

they have stated that the emails sent to her were not classified documents at the time they were sent to her and they were emailed within the State dept among staffers on the UNCLASSIFIED dot gov email server in 2009 and 2011....and then eventually sent to Hillary.

SO not being CLASSIFIED TOP SECRET at the time they were created and sent to her MEANS at the time they were sent to her, they were NOT ON THE SECURE SERVER for TOP SECRET stuff..... for her minions to cut and paste from....so that's pure partisan bulloney fabrications in the article....

 

[JoeB131]

More likely is that the minion opens the PDF of the classified document, which still retains all the classification markings. The minion then cuts and pastes some or all of the classified material, sans classification header, out of the PDF and into the body of an email, then sends it, unsecure, to Clinton’s unsecure server. This was an unsecure system where, it is important to note, she stored over a thousand documents containing classified material. And those are just the documents she didn’t delete.

So again, she didn't do the cutting and pasting and scanning, someone else did.

So you don't actually have a case she did something wrong.

 

[Iceweasel]

You mean to tell me there are still living, breathing human beings who would consider voting for Pantsuit? Has this country been dumbed down that bad?

Apparently there are Americans dumb enough to vote for articles of clothing.

Exactly. And it's high time we've had more than an empty suit in the White House.

 

[Iceweasel]

Need to at least scan thru some of the links. To get from Secured to Unsecured requires some work.

How Hillary Got Classified Information Onto Her Private Email

one way is to cut/paste from secured.......

More likely is that the minion opens the PDF of the classified document, which still retains all the classification markings. The minion then cuts and pastes some or all of the classified material, sans classification header, out of the PDF and into the body of an email, then sends it, unsecure, to Clinton’s unsecure server. This was an unsecure system where, it is important to note, she stored over a thousand documents containing classified material. And those are just the documents she didn’t delete.

they have stated that the emails sent to her were not classified documents at the time they were sent to her and they were emailed within the State dept among staffers on the UNCLASSIFIED dot gov email server in 2009 and 2011....and then eventually sent to Hillary.

SO not being CLASSIFIED TOP SECRET at the time they were created and sent to her MEANS at the time they were sent to her, they were NOT ON THE SECURE SERVER for TOP SECRET stuff..... for her minions to cut and paste from....so that's pure partisan bulloney fabrications in the article....

Come the **** on. Nobody is buying it. Obviously she received and sent classified emails, there was no government server. And she tried to cover it up by deleting them and claiming only personal shit got ditched.

 

[JoeB131]

Come the **** on. Nobody is buying it. Obviously she received and sent classified emails, there was no government server. And she tried to cover it up by deleting them and claiming only personal shit got ditched.

Where is the evidence she sent classified e-mails?

Where is the evidence she knew the material she received was classified.

As for deleting things, you are SUPPOSED to delete stuff from your e-mail. Otherwise your server gets overloaded.

 

[Care4all]

Need to at least scan thru some of the links. To get from Secured to Unsecured requires some work.

How Hillary Got Classified Information Onto Her Private Email

one way is to cut/paste from secured.......

More likely is that the minion opens the PDF of the classified document, which still retains all the classification markings. The minion then cuts and pastes some or all of the classified material, sans classification header, out of the PDF and into the body of an email, then sends it, unsecure, to Clinton’s unsecure server. This was an unsecure system where, it is important to note, she stored over a thousand documents containing classified material. And those are just the documents she didn’t delete.

they have stated that the emails sent to her were not classified documents at the time they were sent to her and they were emailed within the State dept among staffers on the UNCLASSIFIED dot gov email server in 2009 and 2011....and then eventually sent to Hillary.

SO not being CLASSIFIED TOP SECRET at the time they were created and sent to her MEANS at the time they were sent to her, they were NOT ON THE SECURE SERVER for TOP SECRET stuff..... for her minions to cut and paste from....so that's pure partisan bulloney fabrications in the article....

Come the **** on. Nobody is buying it. Obviously she received and sent classified emails, there was no government server. And she tried to cover it up by deleting them and claiming only personal shit got ditched.

You have no idea what you are talking about, and everything you have said is simply lies....

Of course there was a govt server involved, the emails were created and generated from the Unclassified State.gov email system.

No where has it been reported that she ditched these emails, in fact it was the emails she turned over to the State dept, where they found these emails.

STOP making crapola up.....

 

[Iceweasel]

Need to at least scan thru some of the links. To get from Secured to Unsecured requires some work.

How Hillary Got Classified Information Onto Her Private Email

one way is to cut/paste from secured.......

More likely is that the minion opens the PDF of the classified document, which still retains all the classification markings. The minion then cuts and pastes some or all of the classified material, sans classification header, out of the PDF and into the body of an email, then sends it, unsecure, to Clinton’s unsecure server. This was an unsecure system where, it is important to note, she stored over a thousand documents containing classified material. And those are just the documents she didn’t delete.

they have stated that the emails sent to her were not classified documents at the time they were sent to her and they were emailed within the State dept among staffers on the UNCLASSIFIED dot gov email server in 2009 and 2011....and then eventually sent to Hillary.

SO not being CLASSIFIED TOP SECRET at the time they were created and sent to her MEANS at the time they were sent to her, they were NOT ON THE SECURE SERVER for TOP SECRET stuff..... for her minions to cut and paste from....so that's pure partisan bulloney fabrications in the article....

Come the **** on. Nobody is buying it. Obviously she received and sent classified emails, there was no government server. And she tried to cover it up by deleting them and claiming only personal shit got ditched.

You have no idea what you are talking about, and everything you have said is simply lies....

Of course there was a govt server involved, the emails were created and generated from the Unclassified State.gov email system.

No where has it been reported that she ditched these emails, in fact it was the emails she turned over to the State dept, where they found these emails.

STOP making crapola up.....

The lies are all yours. There's a reason they are recovering the emails. There were deleted, she thought for good. She turned over what she wanted and took her sweet ass time so she could weed through it.

Don't order people to stop, it just makes you look like a child wearing her daddy's police hat. The problem was her getting her official emails through a personal server.

You are here shilling for the Hillary campaign and telling transparent lies in order to do so. Shame on you!


Hillary Clinton set up 'homebrew' email server for private account – report
Hillary Clinton set up a private email server to send and receive emails on the private account she used exclusively to conduct all of her official business during her tenure at the State Department, shielding an uncertain amount of the then secretary of state’s correspondence from freedom of information (FOI) requests and archive searches, it was claimed on Wednesday.

“The State Department has long had access to a wide array of Secretary Clinton’s records – including emails between her and Department officials with state.gov accounts,” the State Department deputy spokeswoman, Marie Harf, told Business Insider’s Hunter Walker.

But had Clinton’s staff taken the required action to archive all of her official correspondences with the department, the requested emails would have turned up in the agency’s record search, Gawker argues.

The White House press secretary, Josh Earnest, said Clinton’s use of a private email for department business would have been permissible only if all of her official correspondence had been turned over to the State Department and archived.

“What I can tell you is that very specific guidance has been given to agencies all across the government, which is specifically that employees of the Obama administration should use their official email accounts when they’re conducting official government business,” Earnest said at his daily briefing on Tuesday.

 

[Care4all]

Come the **** on. Nobody is buying it. Obviously she received and sent classified emails, there was no government server. And she tried to cover it up by deleting them and claiming only personal shit got ditched.

Where is the evidence she sent classified e-mails?

Where is the evidence she knew the material she received was classified.

As for deleting things, you are SUPPOSED to delete stuff from your e-mail. Otherwise your server gets overloaded.

Fyi
She only deleted her personal emails from her email in box, she did not delete them from her server, her server was NOT wiped clean.....how many times can the right wingers repeat a known lie???

She was required by law and regulation to ONLY send government archival worth emails and required to not send anything personal to the archives, like every single government employee.....delete anything personal before sending emails to the National Archive Records....

And right wingers keep saying her server was wiped clean when it was reported that the server was NOT wiped clean, it was turned over to the FBI and they have every email, personal and work related, that Hillary ever sent on it, and have had this server since Aug/Sept.

I wish right winger cons would just stick with the facts that are known.

 

[Iceweasel]

Come the **** on. Nobody is buying it. Obviously she received and sent classified emails, there was no government server. And she tried to cover it up by deleting them and claiming only personal shit got ditched.

Where is the evidence she sent classified e-mails?

Where is the evidence she knew the material she received was classified.

As for deleting things, you are SUPPOSED to delete stuff from your e-mail. Otherwise your server gets overloaded.

Fyi
She only deleted her personal emails from her email in box, she did not delete them from her server, her server was NOT wiped clean.....how many times can the right wingers repeat a known lie???

She was required by law and regulation to ONLY send government archival worth emails and required to not send anything person to the archives, like every single government employee.....delete anything personal before sending emails to the National Archive Records....

And right wingers keep saying her server was wiped clean when it was reported that the server was NOT wiped clean, it was turned over to the FBI and they have every email, personal and work related, that Hillary ever sent on it, and have had this server since Aug/Sept.

I wish right winger cons would just stick with the facts that are known.

Blah blah blah. You have a twisted concept of what 'facts' means.

 

[Care4all]

Need to at least scan thru some of the links. To get from Secured to Unsecured requires some work.

How Hillary Got Classified Information Onto Her Private Email

one way is to cut/paste from secured.......

More likely is that the minion opens the PDF of the classified document, which still retains all the classification markings. The minion then cuts and pastes some or all of the classified material, sans classification header, out of the PDF and into the body of an email, then sends it, unsecure, to Clinton’s unsecure server. This was an unsecure system where, it is important to note, she stored over a thousand documents containing classified material. And those are just the documents she didn’t delete.

they have stated that the emails sent to her were not classified documents at the time they were sent to her and they were emailed within the State dept among staffers on the UNCLASSIFIED dot gov email server in 2009 and 2011....and then eventually sent to Hillary.

SO not being CLASSIFIED TOP SECRET at the time they were created and sent to her MEANS at the time they were sent to her, they were NOT ON THE SECURE SERVER for TOP SECRET stuff..... for her minions to cut and paste from....so that's pure partisan bulloney fabrications in the article....

Come the **** on. Nobody is buying it. Obviously she received and sent classified emails, there was no government server. And she tried to cover it up by deleting them and claiming only personal shit got ditched.

You have no idea what you are talking about, and everything you have said is simply lies....

Of course there was a govt server involved, the emails were created and generated from the Unclassified State.gov email system.

No where has it been reported that she ditched these emails, in fact it was the emails she turned over to the State dept, where they found these emails.

STOP making crapola up.....

The lies are all yours. There's a reason they are recovering the emails. There were deleted, she thought for good. She turned over what she wanted and took her sweet ass time so she could weed through it.

Don't order people to stop, it just makes you look like a child wearing her daddy's police hat. The problem was her getting her official emails through a personal server.

You are here shilling for the Hillary campaign and telling transparent lies in order to do so. Shame on you!


Hillary Clinton set up 'homebrew' email server for private account – report
Hillary Clinton set up a private email server to send and receive emails on the private account she used exclusively to conduct all of her official business during her tenure at the State Department, shielding an uncertain amount of the then secretary of state’s correspondence from freedom of information (FOI) requests and archive searches, it was claimed on Wednesday.

“The State Department has long had access to a wide array of Secretary Clinton’s records – including emails between her and Department officials with state.gov accounts,” the State Department deputy spokeswoman, Marie Harf, told Business Insider’s Hunter Walker.

But had Clinton’s staff taken the required action to archive all of her official correspondences with the department, the requested emails would have turned up in the agency’s record search, Gawker argues.

The White House press secretary, Josh Earnest, said Clinton’s use of a private email for department business would have been permissible only if all of her official correspondence had been turned over to the State Department and archived.

“What I can tell you is that very specific guidance has been given to agencies all across the government, which is specifically that employees of the Obama administration should use their official email accounts when they’re conducting official government business,” Earnest said at his daily briefing on Tuesday.

Gosh ALMIGHTY, you are using nearly a YEAR OLD articles from right wing rags sticking with stuff that has already been proven to be FALSE.....months and months ago... there is one itty bitty truth here or there and then thousands of things that are false, then another itty bitty truth, then the rest of the article is false.....

Sigh.....you need to catch up.

 

[hadit]

So . . . what is the excuse for Hillary this time? That she is ignorant of the rules? That she is above the rules?

That's what I've been getting at. If the defense is really that "it wasn't marked classified at the time", then you're tacitly admitting that she was incompetent, because she had authority to mark information as classified.

That assumes if she recognized it as something another bureaucrat would recognize as "classified".

The thing is, the main subject that seems to be coming up are Drone Strikes. Drone Strikes are considered classified. But everyone knows they are going on, and they are being widely reported in the press.

What is not being widely reported in the press are things like drone launch schedules, coverage areas, attack and defense capabilities, etc. You know, stuff that shouldn't be made readily available.

She was the Sec State, for crying out loud. Of COURSE she should be competent enough to realize that some of the stuff she was keeping unsecured was so secret that it can't be published in any form. If she's not competent enough for that, I don't want to give her even more responsibility.

 

[bodecea]

It's one day short of a week since this thread started. Any indictments yet?

 

[Iceweasel]

Need to at least scan thru some of the links. To get from Secured to Unsecured requires some work.

How Hillary Got Classified Information Onto Her Private Email

one way is to cut/paste from secured.......

More likely is that the minion opens the PDF of the classified document, which still retains all the classification markings. The minion then cuts and pastes some or all of the classified material, sans classification header, out of the PDF and into the body of an email, then sends it, unsecure, to Clinton’s unsecure server. This was an unsecure system where, it is important to note, she stored over a thousand documents containing classified material. And those are just the documents she didn’t delete.

they have stated that the emails sent to her were not classified documents at the time they were sent to her and they were emailed within the State dept among staffers on the UNCLASSIFIED dot gov email server in 2009 and 2011....and then eventually sent to Hillary.

SO not being CLASSIFIED TOP SECRET at the time they were created and sent to her MEANS at the time they were sent to her, they were NOT ON THE SECURE SERVER for TOP SECRET stuff..... for her minions to cut and paste from....so that's pure partisan bulloney fabrications in the article....

Come the **** on. Nobody is buying it. Obviously she received and sent classified emails, there was no government server. And she tried to cover it up by deleting them and claiming only personal shit got ditched.

You have no idea what you are talking about, and everything you have said is simply lies....

Of course there was a govt server involved, the emails were created and generated from the Unclassified State.gov email system.

No where has it been reported that she ditched these emails, in fact it was the emails she turned over to the State dept, where they found these emails.

STOP making crapola up.....

The lies are all yours. There's a reason they are recovering the emails. There were deleted, she thought for good. She turned over what she wanted and took her sweet ass time so she could weed through it.

Don't order people to stop, it just makes you look like a child wearing her daddy's police hat. The problem was her getting her official emails through a personal server.

You are here shilling for the Hillary campaign and telling transparent lies in order to do so. Shame on you!


Hillary Clinton set up 'homebrew' email server for private account – report
Hillary Clinton set up a private email server to send and receive emails on the private account she used exclusively to conduct all of her official business during her tenure at the State Department, shielding an uncertain amount of the then secretary of state’s correspondence from freedom of information (FOI) requests and archive searches, it was claimed on Wednesday.

“The State Department has long had access to a wide array of Secretary Clinton’s records – including emails between her and Department officials with state.gov accounts,” the State Department deputy spokeswoman, Marie Harf, told Business Insider’s Hunter Walker.

But had Clinton’s staff taken the required action to archive all of her official correspondences with the department, the requested emails would have turned up in the agency’s record search, Gawker argues.

The White House press secretary, Josh Earnest, said Clinton’s use of a private email for department business would have been permissible only if all of her official correspondence had been turned over to the State Department and archived.

“What I can tell you is that very specific guidance has been given to agencies all across the government, which is specifically that employees of the Obama administration should use their official email accounts when they’re conducting official government business,” Earnest said at his daily briefing on Tuesday.

Gosh ALMIGHTY, you are using nearly a YEAR OLD articles from right wing rags sticking with stuff that has already been proven to be FALSE.....months and months ago... there is one itty bitty truth here or there and then thousands of things that are false, then another itty bitty truth, then the rest of the article is false.....

Sigh.....you need to catch up.

You said she was using official sources and pretended to not know what all the fuss was about so I posted one from early on. Duh. Proven false? When? You've outed yourself as a shill for the Hillary campaign and expect people to believe only her campaign knows what the true fact are. That's as lame as it gets.

 

[Care4all]

So . . . what is the excuse for Hillary this time? That she is ignorant of the rules? That she is above the rules?

That's what I've been getting at. If the defense is really that "it wasn't marked classified at the time", then you're tacitly admitting that she was incompetent, because she had authority to mark information as classified.

That assumes if she recognized it as something another bureaucrat would recognize as "classified".

The thing is, the main subject that seems to be coming up are Drone Strikes. Drone Strikes are considered classified. But everyone knows they are going on, and they are being widely reported in the press.

What is not being widely reported in the press are things like drone launch schedules, coverage areas, attack and defense capabilities, etc. You know, stuff that shouldn't be made readily available.

She was the Sec State, for crying out loud. Of COURSE she should be competent enough to realize that some of the stuff she was keeping unsecured was so secret that it can't be published in any form. If she's not competent enough for that, I don't want to give her even more responsibility.

Can you acknowledge that if she used the State.gov email system for all of her emails instead of her server, that the State.gov email system was an UNCLASSIFIED email server as well? A yes or no...

Is the State.gov email system a secure CLASSIFIED system OR is it an UNCLASSIFIED email system?

Please answer.

 

[Meathead]

Can you acknowledge that if she used the State.gov email system for all of her emails instead of her server, that the State.gov email system was an UNCLASSIFIED email server as well? A yes or no...

Is the State.gov email system a secure CLASSIFIED system OR is it an UNCLASSIFIED email system?

Please answer.

That level of squirming has gotta be embarrassing.

 

[hadit]

So . . . what is the excuse for Hillary this time? That she is ignorant of the rules? That she is above the rules?

That's what I've been getting at. If the defense is really that "it wasn't marked classified at the time", then you're tacitly admitting that she was incompetent, because she had authority to mark information as classified.

That assumes if she recognized it as something another bureaucrat would recognize as "classified".

The thing is, the main subject that seems to be coming up are Drone Strikes. Drone Strikes are considered classified. But everyone knows they are going on, and they are being widely reported in the press.

What is not being widely reported in the press are things like drone launch schedules, coverage areas, attack and defense capabilities, etc. You know, stuff that shouldn't be made readily available.

She was the Sec State, for crying out loud. Of COURSE she should be competent enough to realize that some of the stuff she was keeping unsecured was so secret that it can't be published in any form. If she's not competent enough for that, I don't want to give her even more responsibility.

Can you acknowledge that if she used the State.gov email system for all of her emails instead of her server, that the State.gov email system was an UNCLASSIFIED email server as well? A yes or no...

Is the State.gov email system a secure CLASSIFIED system OR is it an UNCLASSIFIED email system?

Please answer.

To the best of my knowledge, the .gov email system is not supposed to be used for private communications. We're not talking about private communications, we're talking about official Secretary of State communications.

If she utilized the equipment and software that the government certified to be secure, I would have no complaint about it. Now, I'm not privy to all the training she received as Sec State, but I'm sure that there are protocols to be followed when communicating classified information. If she was told to use the .gov email system for classified transmission, then I would have to believe that it was a classified system. Since I don't work for the government, I cannot tell you the level of security in the .gov email system (of course, if I DID work for the government, I still couldn't tell you).

It comes down to this. If she followed protocol, this would not be an issue. She did not, therefore it is. She should have used the .gov system for Sec State business and something else for private.

 

[Iceweasel]

So . . . what is the excuse for Hillary this time? That she is ignorant of the rules? That she is above the rules?

That's what I've been getting at. If the defense is really that "it wasn't marked classified at the time", then you're tacitly admitting that she was incompetent, because she had authority to mark information as classified.

That assumes if she recognized it as something another bureaucrat would recognize as "classified".

The thing is, the main subject that seems to be coming up are Drone Strikes. Drone Strikes are considered classified. But everyone knows they are going on, and they are being widely reported in the press.

What is not being widely reported in the press are things like drone launch schedules, coverage areas, attack and defense capabilities, etc. You know, stuff that shouldn't be made readily available.

She was the Sec State, for crying out loud. Of COURSE she should be competent enough to realize that some of the stuff she was keeping unsecured was so secret that it can't be published in any form. If she's not competent enough for that, I don't want to give her even more responsibility.

Can you acknowledge that if she used the State.gov email system for all of her emails instead of her server, that the State.gov email system was an UNCLASSIFIED email server as well? A yes or no...

Is the State.gov email system a secure CLASSIFIED system OR is it an UNCLASSIFIED email system?

Please answer.

Another right wing hate all things good website:

Why Clinton’s Private Email Server Was Such a Security Fail
Why Clinton’s Private Email Server Was Such a Security Fail


For a secretary of state, running your own email server might be a clever—if controversial—way to keep your conversations hidden from journalists and their pesky Freedom of Information Act requests. But ask a few security experts, and the consensus is that it’s not a very smart way to keep those conversations hidden from hackers.


On Monday, the New York Times revealed that former secretary of state and future presidential candidate Hillary Clinton used a private email account rather than her official State.gov email address while serving in the State Department. And this was no Gmail or Yahoo! Mail account: On Wednesday the AP reported that Clinton actually ran a private mail server in her home during her entire tenure leading the State Department, hosting her email at the domain Clintonemail.com.

Much of the criticism of that in-house email strategy has centered on its violation of the federal government’s record-keeping and transparency rules. But as the controversy continues to swirl, the security community is focused on a different issue: the possibility that an unofficial, unprotected server held the communications of America’s top foreign affairs official for four years, leaving all of it potentially vulnerable to state-sponsored hackers.


“Although the American people didn’t know about this, it’s almost certain that foreign intelligence agencies did, just as the NSA knows which Indian and Spanish officials use Gmail and Yahoo accounts,” says Chris Soghoian, the lead technologist for the American Civil Liberties Union. “She’s not the first official to use private email and not the last. But there are serious security issue associated with these kinds of services…When you build your house outside the security fence, you’re on your own, and that’s what seems to have happened here.”


The most obvious security issue with Clinton running her own email server, says Soghoian, is the lack of manpower overseeing it compared with the State Department’s official email system. The federal agency’s own IT security team monitors State Department servers for possible vulnerabilities and breaches, and those computers fall under the NSA’s protection, too. Since 2008, for instance, the so-called Einstein project has functioned as an umbrella intrusion-detection system for more than a dozen federal agencies; Though it’s run by the Department of Homeland Security, it uses NSA data and vulnerability-detection methods.


Clinton’s email wouldn’t have the benefit of any of that expensive government security. If she had hosted her email with Google or even Yahoo! or Microsoft, there might be an argument that those private companies’ security teams are just as competent as the those of the feds. But instead, according to the Associated Press, Clinton ran her server from her own home. Any protection it had there—aside from the physical protection of the Secret Service—would have been limited to the Clintons’ own personal resources.


A more specific threat to Clinton’s private email relates to its domain name. Unlike the State Department’s State.gov domain, Clinton’s Clintonemail.com is currently registered with a private domain registrar, Network Solutions, as a simple Whois search reveals. The domain Clintonemail.com (and thus its registrar) was certainly known to at least one hacker: The notorious celebrity hacker Guccifer first revealed it in 2013 when he spilled the emails of Clinton associate Sydney Blumenthal.


Anyone who hacked Network Solutions would be able to quietly hijack the Clintonemail.com domain, intercepting, redirecting, and even spoofing email from Clinton’s account. And Network Solutions is far from the Internet’s hardest target: Hundreds of its domains were hacked in 2010, a year into Clinton’s tenure at the head of the State Department.


Even if Clinton used the account only for personal messages rather than those of international importance (say, something along the lines of: “Let’s go ahead and drop those bombs, Bibi”) the notion that they could be both intercepted and spoofed through a common hacking vector is particularly troubling. “Even the most mundane of communications can be interesting to an intelligence service,” says the ACLU’s Soghoian. The NSA, he points out, thought it was worthwhile to monitor German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s personal cell phone, for instance.1


There’s no evidence, of course, that Clintonemail.com was ever actually compromised. University of Pennsylvania computer science professor Matt Blaze says judging its security versus the State Department’s own email servers would require more information. But he notes that the control of the server’s domain is a real issue. “It’s certainly true that the domain State.gov is probably harder to hijack than clintonemail.com,” says Blaze.


To be fair, the State Department’s track record for its own email security isn’t exactly spotless, even relative to Clinton’s DIY approach. Consider this: Some critics have pointed out in recent days that Clintonemail.com currently uses an invalid TLS certificate, another method that a man-in-the-middle might use to intercept or spoof emails from the server; but Stanford researcher Jonathan Mayer points out to WIRED that the State Department’s own TLS certificate is currently invalid, too. Mayer believes that Clinton’s bad certificate is a result of a misconfiguration that occurred when the email service was transferred in 2013 to the McAfee-owned company MX Logic. The State Department, Mayer says, uses a “self-signed certificate,” a less-than-sterling security practice. “Against man-in-the middle attacks, both are currently insecure,” he says.


In fact, the State Department has been the target of several successful hacker attacks over the past decade. The most recent one in November of 2014 forced the agency to temporarily shut down its email system as a response to concerns that unclassified communications had been breached by Russian hackers.


But at least, in that case, there was a response. If the same sort of highly resourced hackers had gone after the server in Clinton’s basement, there’s no guarantee that the same alarms would have gone off.


Bob McMillan contributed reporting to this article.

 

[Care4all]

So . . . what is the excuse for Hillary this time? That she is ignorant of the rules? That she is above the rules?

That's what I've been getting at. If the defense is really that "it wasn't marked classified at the time", then you're tacitly admitting that she was incompetent, because she had authority to mark information as classified.

That assumes if she recognized it as something another bureaucrat would recognize as "classified".

The thing is, the main subject that seems to be coming up are Drone Strikes. Drone Strikes are considered classified. But everyone knows they are going on, and they are being widely reported in the press.

What is not being widely reported in the press are things like drone launch schedules, coverage areas, attack and defense capabilities, etc. You know, stuff that shouldn't be made readily available.

She was the Sec State, for crying out loud. Of COURSE she should be competent enough to realize that some of the stuff she was keeping unsecured was so secret that it can't be published in any form. If she's not competent enough for that, I don't want to give her even more responsibility.

Can you acknowledge that if she used the State.gov email system for all of her emails instead of her server, that the State.gov email system was an UNCLASSIFIED email server as well? A yes or no...

Is the State.gov email system a secure CLASSIFIED system OR is it an UNCLASSIFIED email system?

Please answer.

To the best of my knowledge, the .gov email system is not supposed to be used for private communications. We're not talking about private communications, we're talking about official Secretary of State communications.

If she utilized the equipment and software that the government certified to be secure, I would have no complaint about it. Now, I'm not privy to all the training she received as Sec State, but I'm sure that there are protocols to be followed when communicating classified information. If she was told to use the .gov email system for classified transmission, then I would have to believe that it was a classified system. Since I don't work for the government, I cannot tell you the level of security in the .gov email system (of course, if I DID work for the government, I still couldn't tell you).

It comes down to this. If she followed protocol, this would not be an issue. She did not, therefore it is. She should have used the .gov system for Sec State business and something else for private.

The State.gov system is an UNCLASSIFIED system, the same as her server.

Her emails even if she used the State.gov system, would be gone thru for these FOIA requests, and these alleged CLASSIFIED emails would be redacted and held back, even if she only used the State.gov email system because State.gov is an UNCLASSIFIED system, and classified information AFTER THE FACT would occur there as well....in fact officials have specifically state that it is common to classify things after the fact, after they were initiated, and sometimes years afterwards.

 

[Faun]

This is definitely going to hurt regardless. A lot of people are not going to want to put their vote behind a person who might come up for indictment on federal charges! There has been chatter that this could be forthcoming.

I don't think the democrat machine will allow it to get that far, but if the FBI recommends indictment and the OA refuses, that will create a nasty mess in itself that should be enough to derail her, and democrats in general, hopes for election.

And in the end, that's really all that matters to rightwingers. Fact of the matter is, if she weren't running for president, threads like this one wouldn't even exist.

Yeah. Pfft. All that really matters is she is a rule breaker . . . at the very least? Or ignorant?

Too bad she has not formally been charged with breaking any rules. Kinda leaves you looking desperate.

 

[hadit]

That's what I've been getting at. If the defense is really that "it wasn't marked classified at the time", then you're tacitly admitting that she was incompetent, because she had authority to mark information as classified.

That assumes if she recognized it as something another bureaucrat would recognize as "classified".

The thing is, the main subject that seems to be coming up are Drone Strikes. Drone Strikes are considered classified. But everyone knows they are going on, and they are being widely reported in the press.

What is not being widely reported in the press are things like drone launch schedules, coverage areas, attack and defense capabilities, etc. You know, stuff that shouldn't be made readily available.

She was the Sec State, for crying out loud. Of COURSE she should be competent enough to realize that some of the stuff she was keeping unsecured was so secret that it can't be published in any form. If she's not competent enough for that, I don't want to give her even more responsibility.

Can you acknowledge that if she used the State.gov email system for all of her emails instead of her server, that the State.gov email system was an UNCLASSIFIED email server as well? A yes or no...

Is the State.gov email system a secure CLASSIFIED system OR is it an UNCLASSIFIED email system?

Please answer.

To the best of my knowledge, the .gov email system is not supposed to be used for private communications. We're not talking about private communications, we're talking about official Secretary of State communications.

If she utilized the equipment and software that the government certified to be secure, I would have no complaint about it. Now, I'm not privy to all the training she received as Sec State, but I'm sure that there are protocols to be followed when communicating classified information. If she was told to use the .gov email system for classified transmission, then I would have to believe that it was a classified system. Since I don't work for the government, I cannot tell you the level of security in the .gov email system (of course, if I DID work for the government, I still couldn't tell you).

It comes down to this. If she followed protocol, this would not be an issue. She did not, therefore it is. She should have used the .gov system for Sec State business and something else for private.

The State.gov system is an UNCLASSIFIED system, the same as her server.

Her emails even if she used the State.gov system, would be gone thru for these FOIA requests, and these alleged CLASSIFIED emails would be redacted and held back, even if she only used the State.gov email system because State.gov is an UNCLASSIFIED system, and classified information AFTER THE FACT would occur there as well....in fact officials have specifically state that it is common to classify things after the fact, after they were initiated, and sometimes years afterwards.

Do you know how the Sec State is instructed to communicate classified information? I do not believe, for instance, that said training included the words, "Keep copies of it on your private server".