Donald Trump Goes Off: Obama Created This Fraud; His Whole Administration Is A Fraud; Shady People

[rightwinger]

Cool

Can we get some of these threads going on Ted Cruz too?

What does the Donald have to say about Ted?

 

[BillyRawle]

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2009-01-26/pdf/E9-1712.pdf

Your link says it deals with Presidential records not personal records.

"By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to establish policies and procedures governing the assertion of executive privilege by incumbent and former Presidents in connection with the release of Presidential records by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) pursuant to the Presidential Records Act of 1978, it is hereby ordered as follows:"

Birth certificates are not maintained by the National Archives.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

They belong to the state of Hawaii, only they can authorize them to be shown. Which they won't do as that would be a violation of state law. But don't worry they have issued certified copies of the original. Those certified copies are legally as good as the original.

What was released was found to be a 100% forgery. As Arpaio stated "Show us the microfilm". Here. Let Mike Zullo explain it.

Go to exaxtly 25:35 in the video.

 

[rightwinger]

He is so correct.


Video included.
Donald Trump Obama Created A Fraud His Whole Admin Is A Fraud Shady Bad People - Birther Report Obama Release Your Records

Do you know what Obama's first EO was? It was to seal his birth certificate and school records.

LOL- really?

You really fell for that lie?

Barack Obama's birth certificate- like all Hawaii birth certificates is safe and secure in the Hawaii Department of Health's records.

Then why wont he authorize them to release the 53 year old original document with the big raised state seal (like the Nordykes allegedly born a day after Obama at Kapialani) along with the microfilm?

He is so correct.

And just coincidentally, Trump is busy promoting Celebrity Apprentice

On November 4, Donald Trump appeared on The Today Show and announced the new season of the show would premiere Sunday, January 4, 2015

Irrelevant and off topic!

Relevant- and funny- as funny as the Donald's hair piece.

Hey Stevie- what did Donald's investigators find in Hawaii? Remember when he sent his crack team of investigators there? What did they find?

I surmise what they found was turned over to the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office and was catalogued with their other evidence.

That birth certificate shows he was born in 1961 which means he is old enough to be President. Meets all Constitutional requirements

 

[Syriusly]

He is so correct.


Video included.
Donald Trump Obama Created A Fraud His Whole Admin Is A Fraud Shady Bad People - Birther Report Obama Release Your Records

Do you know what Obama's first EO was? It was to seal his birth certificate and school records.

LOL- really?

You really fell for that lie?

His first executive order- 13489- was regarding the archiving and release of Presidential records- of former Presidents.

Barack Obama Executive Order 13489 - Presidential Records

2201 Definitions… 2) The term “Presidential records” means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.

The executive order had nothing to do with his birth certificate and school records- you were lied to- and you bought it.

Barack Obama's birth certificate- like all Hawaii birth certificates is safe and secure in the Hawaii Department of Health's records.

His school records are protected by law like every other President's school records.

Just Birther lies.

Wrong. EO 13489 Incumbent and former presidents sealed records

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2009-01-26/pdf/E9-1712.pdf

He is so correct.


Video included.
Donald Trump Obama Created A Fraud His Whole Admin Is A Fraud Shady Bad People - Birther Report Obama Release Your Records

Do you know what Obama's first EO was? It was to seal his birth certificate and school records.

LOL- really?

You really fell for that lie?

His first executive order- 13489- was regarding the archiving and release of Presidential records- of former Presidents.

Barack Obama Executive Order 13489 - Presidential Records

2201 Definitions… 2) The term “Presidential records” means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.

The executive order had nothing to do with his birth certificate and school records- you were lied to- and you bought it.

Barack Obama's birth certificate- like all Hawaii birth certificates is safe and secure in the Hawaii Department of Health's records.

His school records are protected by law like every other President's school records.

Just Birther lies.

Wrong. EO 13489 Incumbent and former presidents sealed records

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2009-01-26/pdf/E9-1712.pdf

No- correct. 1270.46 NARA applies to archived Presidential records- which are those of former Presidents.

And if there is a request to the Archivist for the records of a former President- as provided

He is so correct.


Video included.
Donald Trump Obama Created A Fraud His Whole Admin Is A Fraud Shady Bad People - Birther Report Obama Release Your Records

Do you know what Obama's first EO was? It was to seal his birth certificate and school records.

LOL- really?

You really fell for that lie?

His first executive order- 13489- was regarding the archiving and release of Presidential records- of former Presidents.

Barack Obama Executive Order 13489 - Presidential Records

2201 Definitions… 2) The term “Presidential records” means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.

The executive order had nothing to do with his birth certificate and school records- you were lied to- and you bought it.

Barack Obama's birth certificate- like all Hawaii birth certificates is safe and secure in the Hawaii Department of Health's records.

His school records are protected by law like every other President's school records.

Just Birther lies.

Wrong. EO 13489 Incumbent and former presidents sealed records

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2009-01-26/pdf/E9-1712.pdf

Actually I am correct.

EO 1348
Sec. 2. Notice of Intent to Disclose Presidential Records. (a) When the
Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his
intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the
NARA regulations, the Archivist

Going to 1270.46

The Archivist or his designee
shall notify a former President
or his
designated representative before any records are disclosed.

This EO says that the incumbent President can authorize release of the Presidential records of a former President- even if the former President doesn't want them released.

It has nothing to do with Barack Obama's birth certificate or college records.

Those were just lies by Obama haters.

 

[Syriusly]

They belong to the state of Hawaii, only they can authorize them to be shown. Which they won't do as that would be a violation of state law. But don't worry they have issued certified copies of the original. Those certified copies are legally as good as the original.

What was released was found to be a 100% forgery. As Arpaio stated "Show us the microfilm". Here. Let Mike Zullo explain it.
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So when has the Sheriff's Department of Maricopa County officially requested any documentation from the State of Hawaii?

You do realize that Press Conferences are not like- official?

 

[BillyRawle]

The problem is that everything he says has been shown to be false. He claims that the green security paper background was added last. But this cannot be as parts of the document's text are printed on the green security paper layer. Time and again his experts have been shown to be wrong on how documents are scanned and the effects of the scanning software.

Here is what a real internationally recognized expert in scanning software said about the White House PDF.

"I took a birth certificate which has a similar background pattern, scanned and compressed using an older DjVu tool. It has shown the same problems as POBC, like text letters that were missed and sent to background, and multiple text styles. It didn’t have halo, though, because its algorithm decided to obliterate the whole background pattern. Perhaps if I had time to toy around with packages and parameters I might find something very close to what was used to generate the document shown by the WH, but I unfortunately do not have the time right now."

"In summary I can only say I see much stronger signs of common MRC algorithmic processing of the image rather than some intentional manipulation." Professor Richardo de Queiroz

Using his information as a guide several regular people made a birth certificate on real green security paper and scanned it with a Xerox WorkCentre copier/scanner (Professor de Queiroz worked for Xerox for a number of years and helped develop the standards for MRC). Their results match exactly the effects seen in the White House PDF. Here are the videos they produced:





Remember Michael Nifong also said he had evidence.

 

[Skylar]

He is so correct.

And just coincidentally, Trump is busy promoting Celebrity Apprentice

On November 4, Donald Trump appeared on The Today Show and announced the new season of the show would premiere Sunday, January 4, 2015

Oh, Trump always goes full birther when he's promoting a show. Its kind of a seasonal tradition now.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

He is so correct.


Video included.
Donald Trump Obama Created A Fraud His Whole Admin Is A Fraud Shady Bad People - Birther Report Obama Release Your Records

Do you know what Obama's first EO was? It was to seal his birth certificate and school records.

LOL- really?

You really fell for that lie?

Barack Obama's birth certificate- like all Hawaii birth certificates is safe and secure in the Hawaii Department of Health's records.

Then why wont he authorize them to release the 53 year old original document with the big raised state seal (like the Nordykes allegedly born a day after Obama at Kapialani) along with the microfilm?

He is so correct.

And just coincidentally, Trump is busy promoting Celebrity Apprentice

On November 4, Donald Trump appeared on The Today Show and announced the new season of the show would premiere Sunday, January 4, 2015

Irrelevant and off topic!

Relevant- and funny- as funny as the Donald's hair piece.

Hey Stevie- what did Donald's investigators find in Hawaii? Remember when he sent his crack team of investigators there? What did they find?

I surmise what they found was turned over to the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office and was catalogued with their other evidence.

That birth certificate shows he was born in 1961 which means he is old enough to be President. Meets all Constitutional requirements

Um...no it doesn't. Since the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office has found the birth certificate to be a 100% forgery, identity information on the document of the individual allegedly named Barack Obama can't be confirmed. As for meeting the constitution eligibilty requirements, he never did due to the fact he was born a non-natural born Citizen.

 

[Skylar]

Then why wont he authorize them to release the 53 year old original document with the big raised state seal (like the Nordykes allegedly born a day after Obama at Kapialani) along with the microfilm?

Those are not the original birth certificates of the Nordykes. They are certified copies, made in 1965 from the original birth certificate. The original 1961 birth certificates were printed on white paper. They do not have a raised seal, that is added to certify a copy.

Another thing to consider is that Obama was born on a Friday evening. The Nordyke Twins on a Saturday. Which means that all of their birth paperwork would have been processed the following Monday. And in no particular order. There's no 'first come, first serve' requirement in the Hawaiian law, or any alphabetical requirement. They were processed in whatever order the person working for the Registrar decided to use on Monday morning for those births that happened after their offices closed on Friday evening.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Then why wont he authorize them to release the 53 year old original document with the big raised state seal (like the Nordykes allegedly born a day after Obama at Kapialani) along with the microfilm?

Those are not the original birth certificates of the Nordykes. They are certified copies, made in 1965 from the original birth certificate. The original 1961 birth certificates were printed on white paper. They do not have a raised seal, that is added to certify a copy.

Another thing to consider is that Obama was born on a Friday evening. The Nordyke Twins on a Saturday. Which means that all of their birth paperwork would have been processed the following Monday. And in no particular order. There's no 'first come, first serve' requirement in the Hawaiian law, or any alphabetical requirement. They were processed in whatever order the person working for the Registrar decided to use on Monday morning for those births that happened after their offices closed on Friday evening.

Not according to Mrs. Verna K. Lee.

 

[Syriusly]

He is so correct.


Video included.
Donald Trump Obama Created A Fraud His Whole Admin Is A Fraud Shady Bad People - Birther Report Obama Release Your Records

Do you know what Obama's first EO was? It was to seal his birth certificate and school records.

LOL- really?

You really fell for that lie?

Barack Obama's birth certificate- like all Hawaii birth certificates is safe and secure in the Hawaii Department of Health's records.

Then why wont he authorize them to release the 53 year old original document with the big raised state seal (like the Nordykes allegedly born a day after Obama at Kapialani) along with the microfilm?

And just coincidentally, Trump is busy promoting Celebrity Apprentice

On November 4, Donald Trump appeared on The Today Show and announced the new season of the show would premiere Sunday, January 4, 2015

Irrelevant and off topic!

Relevant- and funny- as funny as the Donald's hair piece.

Hey Stevie- what did Donald's investigators find in Hawaii? Remember when he sent his crack team of investigators there? What did they find?

I surmise what they found was turned over to the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office and was catalogued with their other evidence.

That birth certificate shows he was born in 1961 which means he is old enough to be President. Meets all Constitutional requirements

Um...no it doesn't. Since the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office has found the birth certificate to be a 100% forgery, identity information on the document of the individual allegedly named Barack Obama can't be confirmed. As for meeting the constitution eligibilty requirements, he never did due to the fact he was born a non-natural born Citizen.

LOL....the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department hasn't found anything other than it is fun to watch a used car salesman hold press conferences.

And we all know that anyone born in the United States with the exception of children of diplomats is a natural born citizen.

Barack Obama's eligibliity was resolved in 2008.

Everyone who matters knows he is eligible, the ones left are conmen and gullible fools.

 

[Syriusly]

Then why wont he authorize them to release the 53 year old original document with the big raised state seal (like the Nordykes allegedly born a day after Obama at Kapialani) along with the microfilm?

Those are not the original birth certificates of the Nordykes. They are certified copies, made in 1965 from the original birth certificate. The original 1961 birth certificates were printed on white paper. They do not have a raised seal, that is added to certify a copy.

Another thing to consider is that Obama was born on a Friday evening. The Nordyke Twins on a Saturday. Which means that all of their birth paperwork would have been processed the following Monday. And in no particular order. There's no 'first come, first serve' requirement in the Hawaiian law, or any alphabetical requirement. They were processed in whatever order the person working for the Registrar decided to use on Monday morning for those births that happened after their offices closed on Friday evening.

Not according to Mrs. Verna K. Lee.

Well feel free to provide us with her testimony.

 

[Skylar]

Um...no it doesn't. Since the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office has found the birth certificate to be a 100% forgery, identity information on the document of the individual allegedly named Barack Obama can't be confirmed. As for meeting the constitution eligibilty requirements, he never did due to the fact he was born a non-natural born Citizen.

Then show us the Maricopa County Sheriff's office report on the matter saying as much. You can't, as there is no such report. The Maricopa County Sheriff's office has NO official findings on the matter. And the 'cold case posse' is a private non-profit, NOT the Maricopa County Sheriff's department.

So what you're offering us are the findings of a private non-profit corporation headed by former used car salesman, Mike Zullo. The same Mike Zullo who has been accepting 'gifts' from birthers in the amount of $10,000 for his 'personal use'. Which for a supposedly impartial investigator is some shady, shady shit.

"In 2012 a FedEx envelope arrives unexpectedly at my door, just out of nowhere. When I opened it there is a check for $10,000 made out to me personally from Bill," wrote Zullo. He was referring to Bill Wolf, who was a major researcher in the birther movement.

Wolf had supplied the Cold Case Posse with a dossier of information about alleged problems with the President's birth certificate. The dossier became a major source of information for Zullo's investigation.

In his email to CBS 5 Investigates, Zullo stated that the check was a personal gift from Wolf, and not intended to be used for Cold Case Posse expenses.

Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO

This is personal use money NOT related to the investigation. A 'gift' that just happened to be from one of the very birthers who had been sending Zullo documents. And Zullo's investigation just happened to match the Birther's accusations after Zullo was paid off.

In Maricopa County, this kind of sleazy, shady shit may be par for the course.....but outside it, we call that a bribe. And it creates a MASSIVE conflict of interest. A conflict of interest that Zullo is apparently well aware of, as he has been lying about recieving the money for years.

In response to questions emailed to him last week regarding personal use of the posse's money, Zullo responded on Tuesday:

"My answer to this question is emphatically No! These accusations that you claim you have heard are absolutely unfounded, slanderous and completely fabricated. They are designed to cast me and this organization in a disparaging light. I am appalled at this accusation!"

Read more: Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO

Appalled! Unfounded! Slanderous! Completely Fabricated!

Until Zullo the sleazy **** was forced to admit it when the press caught him lying:

One day later, after faced with evidence provided by CBS 5 Investigates, Zullo sent another email.

"In 2012 a FedEx envelope arrives unexpectedly at my door, just out of nowhere. When I opened it there is a check for $10,000 made out to me personally from Bill," wrote Zullo. He was referring to Bill Wolf, who was a major researcher in the birther movement.

Read more: Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO

If accepting five figure cash 'gifts' for PERSONAL use from your sources is so perfectly normal in a credible investigation, why did Zullo lie about it for years? Easy, because its not normal, it creates massive conflicts of interest, and it calls into question the credibility of the entire investigation.

If this were say, an investigation involving Chevron, and Chevron started sending $10,000 checks to the lead investigator for personal use....and the investigation just happened to show exactly what Chevron wanted the investigation to say, anyone with an ounce of integrity would call bullshit.

That's what you get for assigning a used car salesman as your lead investigator.

 

[Skylar]

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2009-01-26/pdf/E9-1712.pdf

Your link says it deals with Presidential records not personal records.

"By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to establish policies and procedures governing the assertion of executive privilege by incumbent and former Presidents in connection with the release of Presidential records by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) pursuant to the Presidential Records Act of 1978, it is hereby ordered as follows:"

Birth certificates are not maintained by the National Archives.

Nor are school records. But its not as if these birthers care. If they had, they would have facted checked the claims before they started mechanically apeing them. They don't care in the slightest if their claims are actually accurate. As this is all about how they 'feel'. If it 'feels' true, they don't care if it actually is.

And even now will ignore any evidence you post. As whenever their 'feelings' comes into conflict with reality, cognitive dissonance kicks in. And they ignore all evidence. Then later, when they think no one is watching, they'll make the *exact* same bullshit accusation.

The birther argument is one that relies intrinsically on the ignorance of its audience. As anyone who was even passingly informed would recognize the bullshit of their arguments almost instantly.

 

[Stephanie]

I'd take Trump for President over the thug in there now. At least Trump has owned and run businesses. Unlike Obama who only owns a home and runs his mouth

You have to hand Trump he say's it like it is. No sugar coating

 

[BillyRawle]

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Not according to Mrs. Verna K. Lee.

We know the birth certificates were collected separated into geographic regions (the island of Oahu was divided into two regions Honolulu City and the Honolulu County outside the city limits) and numbered at the end of the month. That is what Ms. Lee is reported to have said. But we can see that is true because of other BCs from August, 1961.

Ah’Nee, Johanna – 09945 – DOB 8/23/61, Kapiolani Hospital
Nordyke, Susan – 10637 – DOB 8/05/61, Kapiolani Hospital
Nordyke, Gretchen – 10638 – DOB 8/05/61, Kapiolani Hospital
Obama, Barack – 10641 – DOB 8/04/61, Kapiolani Hospital
Waidelich, Stig – 10920 – DOB 8/05/61, Kapiolani Hospital

Sunahara, Virginia – 11080 – DOB 8/04/61, Wahiawa General Hospital

Johanna Ah'nee born almost three weeks after the President, the Nordykes and Stig Waidelich has a lower number than all of them.

Virginia Sunahara was born at a different hospital in a different geographic region. The birth certificates were collected, separated into geographic regions, alphabetized by last name and numbered.

BTW, Mike Zullo has interviewed Johanna Ah'nee and still ignores her certificate number.

 

[BillyRawle]

I'd take Trump for President over the thug in there now. At least Trump has owned and run businesses. Unlike Obama who only owns a home and runs his mouth

You have to hand Trump he say's it like it is. No sugar coating

How many times has Trump filed for bankruptcy?

 

[Skylar]

Lets see the original vault records along with the microfilm. No certified abstracts.

Laughing.....the State of Hawaii has already confirmed that the information on the Birth Certificates is accurate and matches the original records. As Arizona's Secretary of State Ken Bennett already admitted:

Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett (R), who earlier this month requested more information from Hawaii on President Obama’s birth certificate, has gotten the confirmation he needed.

“Late yesterday, our office received the 'verification in-lieu of certified copy' from officials within the Hawaii Department of Health that we requested in March,” Bennett said in a statement released Wednesday afternoon. “They have officially confirmed that the information in the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for the President matches the original record in their files.”

Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett satisfied Obama was born in United States - The Washington Post

This is the Republican Secretary of State of ARIZONA...the very State which Maricopa County lies within. But Sheriff Joe completely ignores the very findings of his own Secretary of State and the confirmation by the State of Hawaii.

What credible investigator would *ever* ignore the issuing agency of a document they are verifying? None ever would.

And you have ZERO experts that are claiming that the original vital documents are forged. That's you citing yourself. And you're still stuck with a valid reason to ignore the 2007 COLB Obama issued during his 2008 presidential campaign. A COLB that's information matches the LFBC exactly. A LFBC that the State of Hawaii has already confirmed has 100% accurate information that matches the original vital records.

Hell, even the Director of Health of Hawaii affirmed Obama's Hawaiian birth and his natural born citizenship:

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.

Dr. Chiyome Fukino, 2009
Hawaii Obama Birth Certificate is Real - ABC News

Another REPUBLICAN. And she inspected the original documents PERSONALLY. And you ignored her too.

You will ignore anyone, from any party, any document, any confirmation...if it doesn't say what you want to believe. But why would a rational person ignore anything you do? This issue was rationally resolved in 2008 with Obama's COLB which stands as prima facie evidence in any court of law, resolving any legal standard. Everything else has been to satisfy the irrational beliefs of the unreasonable.

And as you're so elegantly demonstrating for us, you can't use evidence to convince someone who ignores evidence.

 

[Stephanie]

I'd take Trump for President over the thug in there now. At least Trump has owned and run businesses. Unlike Obama who only owns a home and runs his mouth

You have to hand Trump he say's it like it is. No sugar coating

How many times has Trump filed for bankruptcy?

How many times has the Obama's owned and run anything in their life?
When You own business. I guess it will be your business if you go bankrupt. Until then MYOB