Does that Gibson Guitar raid make more sense now?

[blastoff]

The dominant theme of the Obama Administration is: rewarding friends and punishing enemies.

Enemies are defined as anyone who doesn't support Obama and his agenda.

Enemies? I thougt those of us who don't support Barry are racists?

 

[Jarlaxle]

Point was, they paid the fine. They didn't fight it out in court.

Which means they knew they didn't have a case.

No...it means it was CHEAPER to pay the fine than to fight it out in court. Come on, even YOU must realize this!

No, they knew they were guilty as sin.

"Some other guy did the same thing and he didn't get punished" isn't a defense.

No...it means it was CHEAPER to pay the fine than to fight it out in court. If the fine is $500,000 and fighting it will cost $1,500,000, they will just pay the fine, even if they KNOW they will win the case! This is business 101, dude!

 

[natstew]

There is a dominant theme of the Obama Administration is: rewarding friends and punishing enemies.

Enemies are defined as anyone who doesn't support Obama and his agenda.

yep, but he still has a 40 something approval rating...that is some scary stuff right there what these people think he can do to us

Hitler's approval rating was pretty good after he had all his political enemies killed.

Remember Valerie Jarret, Obama's Iranian Chief Adviser? "You better get ready because we're coming after you".

 

[JoeB131]

No...it means it was CHEAPER to pay the fine than to fight it out in court. Come on, even YOU must realize this!

No, they knew they were guilty as sin.

"Some other guy did the same thing and he didn't get punished" isn't a defense.

No...it means it was CHEAPER to pay the fine than to fight it out in court. If the fine is $500,000 and fighting it will cost $1,500,000, they will just pay the fine, even if they KNOW they will win the case! This is business 101, dude!

Well, no, guy.

It's knowing they didn't have a case. They bought wood that was illegally obtained. They did it twice after being warned the first time about it.

If they had a strong case, they'd have fought it.

They didn't. Nowhere near. They were as guilty as a cat in a canary cage.

 

[natstew]

Yes, yes, yes, we know: if Obama decrees it, it is right! All hail the new Messiah!

Do you kneel and pray in the direction of the White House every day? Did you have Barack Obama's face tattooed on your body? Did you have "All praise Obama!" tattooed on your scrotum?

Guy, Obama didn't pass the laws that Gibson broke.

There was a law on the books. You don't import wood from that country.

Gibson broke that law. It tried to hide that fact. After being warned once, they did it again.

Look moron! It's the only transparent thing in the Obama Regime, he selectively enforces the law to punish his enemies and reward his friends, and that's from his own chief adviser.

 

[natstew]

Is this what Obama meant by ?revenge??

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, yes, yes, we know: if Obama decrees it, it is right! All hail the new Messiah!

Do you kneel and pray in the direction of the White House every day? Did you have Barack Obama's face tattooed on your body? Did you have "All praise Obama!" tattooed on your scrotum?

Guy, Obama didn't pass the laws that Gibson broke.

There was a law on the books. You don't import wood from that country.

Gibson broke that law. It tried to hide that fact. After being warned once, they did it again.

Look moron! It's the only transparent thing in the Obama Regime, he selectively enforces the law to punish his enemies and reward his friends, and that's from his own chief adviser.

Yeah, so what's your point?

Bush did the same thing.

So did Clinton.

So did Reagan.

Get over yourself.

 

[natstew]

You Lefties continue defending your "messiah" even when you know he's selectively enforcing laws to punish his enemies and reward his friends. You are as slimey and evil as he is.

And Howie, you need to crawl back in your rat hole, eat shit and die!!

 

[Jarlaxle]

No, they knew they were guilty as sin.

"Some other guy did the same thing and he didn't get punished" isn't a defense.

No...it means it was CHEAPER to pay the fine than to fight it out in court. If the fine is $500,000 and fighting it will cost $1,500,000, they will just pay the fine, even if they KNOW they will win the case! This is business 101, dude!

Well, no, guy.

It's knowing they didn't have a case. They bought wood that was illegally obtained. They did it twice after being warned the first time about it.

If they had a strong case, they'd have fought it.

They didn't. Nowhere near. They were as guilty as a cat in a canary cage.

OK, one more time for the slow kid: If the fine is $500,000 and fighting it will cost $1,500,000, they will just pay the fine, even if they KNOW they will win the case!

 

[JoeB131]

No...it means it was CHEAPER to pay the fine than to fight it out in court. If the fine is $500,000 and fighting it will cost $1,500,000, they will just pay the fine, even if they KNOW they will win the case! This is business 101, dude!

Well, no, guy.

It's knowing they didn't have a case. They bought wood that was illegally obtained. They did it twice after being warned the first time about it.

If they had a strong case, they'd have fought it.

They didn't. Nowhere near. They were as guilty as a cat in a canary cage.

OK, one more time for the slow kid: If the fine is $500,000 and fighting it will cost $1,500,000, they will just pay the fine, even if they KNOW they will win the case!

Well, no, because they don't know if the Government is going to hit them again with the same charge a year from now, do they? And frankly, if htey already copped to it once, it's not like they'll have a leg to stand on if they are accussed of it again.

Also, kind of hard to buy that they knew EXACTLY what the litigation would cost before going to court or that they couldn't find a libertarian minded lawyer who would work pro-bono.

Here's the problem. Gibson whined for years about how the government singled them out, but the reality was the facts and the evidence weren't on their side, and they knew it.

They really did illegally obtain wood without the proper documentation.

 

[natstew]

Guy, Obama didn't pass the laws that Gibson broke.

There was a law on the books. You don't import wood from that country.

Gibson broke that law. It tried to hide that fact. After being warned once, they did it again.

Look moron! It's the only transparent thing in the Obama Regime, he selectively enforces the law to punish his enemies and reward his friends, and that's from his own chief adviser.

Yeah, so what's your point?

Bush did the same thing.

So did Clinton.

So did Reagan.

Get over yourself.

So what's my point?? - Obama is a scumbag despot and Hitler would be proud of him.
Bush did the same thing? - How bout giving an example.
So did Clinton. - I'll give you that one.
So did Reagan? - Provide a legitimate example.

Get over myself?????????????

 

[JoeB131]

Look moron! It's the only transparent thing in the Obama Regime, he selectively enforces the law to punish his enemies and reward his friends, and that's from his own chief adviser.

Yeah, so what's your point?

Bush did the same thing.

So did Clinton.

So did Reagan.

Get over yourself.

So what's my point?? - Obama is a scumbag despot and Hitler would be proud of him.
Bush did the same thing? - How bout giving an example.
So did Clinton. - I'll give you that one.
So did Reagan? - Provide a legitimate example.

Get over myself?????????????

during Bush's term, the IRS audited both the NAACP and Greenpeace.

And Reagan? Are you fucking kidding me?

 

[bripat9643]

Well, no, guy.

It's knowing they didn't have a case. They bought wood that was illegally obtained. They did it twice after being warned the first time about it.

If they had a strong case, they'd have fought it.

They didn't. Nowhere near. They were as guilty as a cat in a canary cage.

OK, one more time for the slow kid: If the fine is $500,000 and fighting it will cost $1,500,000, they will just pay the fine, even if they KNOW they will win the case!

Well, no, because they don't know if the Government is going to hit them again with the same charge a year from now, do they? And frankly, if htey already copped to it once, it's not like they'll have a leg to stand on if they are accussed of it again.

Also, kind of hard to buy that they knew EXACTLY what the litigation would cost before going to court or that they couldn't find a libertarian minded lawyer who would work pro-bono.

Here's the problem. Gibson whined for years about how the government singled them out, but the reality was the facts and the evidence weren't on their side, and they knew it.

They really did illegally obtain wood without the proper documentation.

You're an idiot, Joe.

 

[Steven_R]

I'm surprised Gibson hasn't outsourced to China yet. Wood not legal? No problem, here's an envelope of cash for the customs guy, it's legal now! I'm sure that would cost a lot less than $350K.

Gibson does outsource to China. They make their cheaper instruments there. The flagship premium stuff they make here in Nashville.

They have been making their Epiphone guitars in China since 2002. Before that in Korea and before that in Japan.

For what it's worth, I have an Epiphone Les Paul that has a "Made In Indonesia" sticker on the back of the headstock.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Bummer.

 

[TheOldSchool]

PRS > Gibson