Does that Gibson Guitar raid make more sense now?

[The Rabbi]

I'm surprised Gibson hasn't outsourced to China yet. Wood not legal? No problem, here's an envelope of cash for the customs guy, it's legal now! I'm sure that would cost a lot less than $350K.

Gibson does outsource to China. They make their cheaper instruments there. The flagship premium stuff they make here in Nashville.

 

[RoadVirus]

If only Gibson had donated to Obama's campaign fund, this wouldn't have happened.

 

[edthecynic]

If only Gibson had donated to Obama's campaign fund, this wouldn't have happened.

More mindless GOP bullshit. Gibson didn't contribute to Bishop Willard either. They do contribute to the Consumer Electronics Association PAC who gave $39,000 to Dems last year.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I'm surprised Gibson hasn't outsourced to China yet. Wood not legal? No problem, here's an envelope of cash for the customs guy, it's legal now! I'm sure that would cost a lot less than $350K.

Gibson does outsource to China. They make their cheaper instruments there. The flagship premium stuff they make here in Nashville.

Not much longer...

 

[The Rabbi]

I'm surprised Gibson hasn't outsourced to China yet. Wood not legal? No problem, here's an envelope of cash for the customs guy, it's legal now! I'm sure that would cost a lot less than $350K.

Gibson does outsource to China. They make their cheaper instruments there. The flagship premium stuff they make here in Nashville.

Not much longer...

No they will continue to do so because it is part of the quality of Gibson to be made in America. They wont lose market share on it.

 

[edthecynic]

I'm surprised Gibson hasn't outsourced to China yet. Wood not legal? No problem, here's an envelope of cash for the customs guy, it's legal now! I'm sure that would cost a lot less than $350K.

Gibson does outsource to China. They make their cheaper instruments there. The flagship premium stuff they make here in Nashville.

They have been making their Epiphone guitars in China since 2002. Before that in Korea and before that in Japan.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Martin > Gibson

 

[Jarlaxle]

Gibson does outsource to China. They make their cheaper instruments there. The flagship premium stuff they make here in Nashville.

Not much longer...

No they will continue to do so because it is part of the quality of Gibson to be made in America. They wont lose market share on it.

Eventually, they will have two choices: move all manufacturing offshore...or fold.

 

[editec]

So basically we are being asked to believe one of two entirely different narratives?

And what an we possible learn from this other than some will believe the GOP narrative and some will believe the Government's narrative?

This serves no purpose at all other to givepartians the opportunity to bitch at each other.

NOT one of us is in a postion to KNOW the truth.

 

[edthecynic]

So basically we are being asked to believe one of two entirely different narratives?

And what an we possible learn from this other than some will believe the GOP narrative and some will believe the Government's narrative?

This serves no purpose at all other to givepartians the opportunity to bitch at each other.

NOT one of us is in a postion to KNOW the truth.

Actually, we do.

We know from internal Gibson emails from 2009 that they knowingly bought grey market wood from someone known to get their local government paperwork by bribery. And we know that the 2011 wood was mislabeled and had incorrect tariff codes which is what triggered the seizure. Gibson does not deny the wood was mislabeled and had the incorrect tariff codes. They claim it was an innocent mistake, but why shouldn't the wood be seized and held until a past offender proves the mistakes were innocent and corrects them?????

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama is a tyrant, the kind our Founders warned us about

 

[JoeB131]

lol, what is the Atlantic wire?

but we are suppose to believe them instead

Compared to a whacko site like Hot Air? Yeah. Really, we are.

Point was, Gibson not only imported prohibited wood, but they attempted to alter documents to hide the fact.

 

[JoeB131]

Not much longer...

No they will continue to do so because it is part of the quality of Gibson to be made in America. They wont lose market share on it.

Eventually, they will have two choices: move all manufacturing offshore...or fold.

Or just obey the fucking law.

Not seeing why that is so difficult. They were told that wood from Madagascar was illegal. Don't buy wood from there. DOn't forge documents to hide the fact, and don't lie to regulators.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Yes, yes, yes, we know: if Obama decrees it, it is right! All hail the new Messiah!

Do you kneel and pray in the direction of the White House every day? Did you have Barack Obama's face tattooed on your body? Did you have "All praise Obama!" tattooed on your scrotum?

 

[The Rabbi]

Yes, yes, yes, we know: if Obama decrees it, it is right! All hail the new Messiah!

Do you kneel and pray in the direction of the White House every day? Did you have Barack Obama's face tattooed on your body? Did you have "All praise Obama!" tattooed on your scrotum?

First he would need to have a scrotum.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, yes, yes, we know: if Obama decrees it, it is right! All hail the new Messiah!

Do you kneel and pray in the direction of the White House every day? Did you have Barack Obama's face tattooed on your body? Did you have "All praise Obama!" tattooed on your scrotum?

Guy, Obama didn't pass the laws that Gibson broke.

There was a law on the books. You don't import wood from that country.

Gibson broke that law. It tried to hide that fact. After being warned once, they did it again.

 

[editec]

So basically we are being asked to believe one of two entirely different narratives?

And what an we possible learn from this other than some will believe the GOP narrative and some will believe the Government's narrative?

This serves no purpose at all other to givepartians the opportunity to bitch at each other.

NOT one of us is in a postion to KNOW the truth.

Actually, we do.

We know from internal Gibson emails from 2009 that they knowingly bought grey market wood from someone known to get their local government paperwork by bribery. And we know that the 2011 wood was mislabeled and had incorrect tariff codes which is what triggered the seizure. Gibson does not deny the wood was mislabeled and had the incorrect tariff codes. They claim it was an innocent mistake, but why shouldn't the wood be seized and held until a past offender proves the mistakes were innocent and corrects them?????

I haven't SEEN those emails, have you?

We are ALL depending on reports, and those reports are not telling us the same story.


So how do YOU OR I actually know what the truth of the matter is?

WE don't.

We trust the reports that most jibe with our POV about this world.

 

[edthecynic]

So basically we are being asked to believe one of two entirely different narratives?

And what an we possible learn from this other than some will believe the GOP narrative and some will believe the Government's narrative?

This serves no purpose at all other to givepartians the opportunity to bitch at each other.

NOT one of us is in a postion to KNOW the truth.

Actually, we do.

We know from internal Gibson emails from 2009 that they knowingly bought grey market wood from someone known to get their local government paperwork by bribery. And we know that the 2011 wood was mislabeled and had incorrect tariff codes which is what triggered the seizure. Gibson does not deny the wood was mislabeled and had the incorrect tariff codes. They claim it was an innocent mistake, but why shouldn't the wood be seized and held until a past offender proves the mistakes were innocent and corrects them?????

I haven't SEEN those emails, have you?

We are ALL depending on reports, and those reports are not telling us the same story.


So how do YOU OR I actually know what the truth of the matter is?

WE don't.

We trust the reports that most jibe with our POV about this world.

They are posted online.

https://ecf.tnmd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/HistDocQry.pl?555086270591168-L_81_0-1

 

[American_Jihad]

Gibson Commemorates Obama’s Raid with Government Series Guitars

January 30, 2014 by Daniel Greenfield

I’m not sure how this is racist, but once Chris Matthews, Melissa Harris-Perry and the other good people at MSNBC put their brain cell together, they’ll figure out the answer to that.

On August 24, 2011, armed FBI agents in SWAT gear executed a warrant for the seizure of wood at Gibson Guitar facilities. At the time, the raid appeared peculiar because of the excessive forced used over charges of regulatory violations. The premise of the raid was an obscure 100-year-old law known as the Lacey Act. On the basis of this act, the Feds were able to storm the facilities, claiming that Gibson’s had broken foreign (not American) law in its procurement of the wood, even though the government produced no evidence of the crime at the time and no evidence has since emerged that the material was illegally obtained. Juszkiewicz was only told at the time that the Gibson supply chain had a “risk” of including illicit wood.

Notably, one of Gibson’s biggest competitors, C.F. Martin & Co., reportedly uses the same type of wood seized from Gibson’s, but did not face any kind of interference from the federal government. The Examiner reports that Chris Martin IV, CEO of C.F. Martin & Co., is a well-known Democratic fundraiser. The Examiner describes Martin as “a long-time Democratic supporter, with $35,400 in contributions to Democratic candidates and the DNC over the past couple of election cycles.” Furthermore, no other companies known to use the wood in question, such as furniture manufacturers, have reported similar prosecution from the federal government, though the wood is distributed widely throughout the world.

So now Gibson is turning government wood into government guitars.

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Wait… government tan. That’s racist! Anyway according to the Gibson Guitars press release…

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Gibson Commemorates Obama?s Raid with Government Series Guitars | FrontPage Magazine

 

[JoeBlam]

Clinton did the same thing to Microsoft to give Apple an edge for having a plant in Little Rock. Jobs laughed his ass off about it while Gates hired lawyers and lobbyists to defend himself....Willy loved to strong-arm his enemies too. Turns out Apple moved to China and how requires their workers to sign oathes not to commit suicide on the job. Think about that the next time you fire up your Ipud.