Doctors are now warning: If you use aluminum foil, stop it or face deadly consequences

[RodISHI]

There's a couple of dozen posts on Facebook going around now about the fear that slow cookers are giving us all lead poison. OMG OMG OMG OMG!!! Apparently according to the click bait, the lead seeps out of the ceramic pot during those long cooks. You can buy test tools from hardware stores and someone has. Showed no lead at all.

Doubtless, this aluminum thing will go away again.

In ceramics the final glaze would be the issue if any. Some glazes are made with a high lead content and here they are marked for non-food items only.

 

[Kat]

And "what finding" would that be? Especially, if there's no effort to establish min safe exposure levels or QUANTIFY the exact risk for Alzheimers and the other "postulated" outcomes?

No findings -- no "accepted" science. Just gathering empirical evidence on "causality" and attempting to identify the possible "vector sources" for the theory.

Did ya go the WebMD site? Probably not..

Controversial Claims About the Causes of Alzheimer's Disease

One of the most publicized and controversial theories concerns aluminum, which became a suspect in Alzheimer's disease when researchers found traces of this metal in the brains of patients with Alzheimer's disease. Many studies since then have either not been able to confirm this finding or have had questionable results.

Aluminum does turn up in higher amounts than normal in some autopsy studies of Alzheimer's patients, but not in all. Further doubt about the importance of aluminum stems from the possibility that the aluminum found in some studies did not all come from the brain tissues being studied. Instead, some could have come from the special substances used in the laboratory to study brain tissue.

Aluminum is a common element in the Earth's crust and is found in small amounts in numerous household products and in many foods. As a result, there have been fears that aluminum in the diet or absorbed in other ways could be a factor in Alzheimer's. One study found that people who used antiperspirants and antacids containing aluminum had a higher risk of developing Alzheimer's. Others have also reported an association between aluminum exposure and Alzheimer's disease.

On the other hand, various studies have found that groups of people exposed to high levels of aluminum do not have an increased risk. Moreover, aluminum in cooking utensils does not get into food, and the aluminum that does occur naturally in some foods, such as potatoes, is not absorbed well by the body. On the whole, scientists can say only that it is still uncertain whether exposure to aluminum plays a role in Alzheimer's disease.

http://www.alz.org/alzwa/documents/alzwa_resource_ad_fs_aluminum.pdf

Does aluminum play a role in causing
Alzheimer’s disease?
Thinking about whether aluminum plays any role in
Alzheimer’s disease has evolved over the 40 years that
researchers have been exploring this question. The theory
that aluminum might be involved emerged in the 1960s
after scientists discovered that exposing rabbits’ brains to
aluminum caused nerve cell damage with some similarity to
Alzheimer pathology. Physicians also noted that people
undergoing long-term dialysis sometimes develop a nonAlzheimer
form of dementia caused by a buildup of
aluminum in the bloodstream. These observations raised
the specter that aluminum might be one of the first
substances implicated in triggering Alzheimer’s.
However, studies since then have failed to document a
clear role for aluminum in causing Alzheimer’s. Every
perspective from which researchers have explored the
question has yielded contradictory data. For virtually every
study suggesting that aluminum may be linked to
Alzheimer’s, there is another study failing to confirm
those results.
The vast majority of mainstream scientists now believe that
if aluminum plays any role at all in Alzheimer’s, that role is
small. If aluminum exposure had a major impact on risk,
scientists would have gained a clearer picture of its
involvement over the decades that they have been studying
the issue, even though certain factors hamper research. One
such issue lies in the widespread occurrence of both
aluminum and Alzheimer’s, which complicates the effort to
characterize their relationship. Aluminum is Earth’s third
most common element after oxygen and silicon, and
Alzheimer’s occurs frequently in older adults.

.........
Further, it is unlikely that people can significantly reduce their exposure to aluminum through such measures as avoiding aluminum-containing cookware, foil, beverage cans, medications and other products. Even if aluminum were clearly implicated in Alzheimer’s, these routes of exposure account for only a small percentage of the average person’s intake.


I've got another source on this -- my daughter, who has worked in 2 of the top US research labs on Alzheimer's in the past few years. And we've had long discussions about the "elevated number" and enviro issues. And there's a LOT of theories. But not a lot of "settled or "consensus" science on this theory about metals.

Not even CONSENSUS science at this point. Not likely to BE SETTLED science in the near future.

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Wow. Electron Microscope pix. How cool.. Still -- the increase from cooking meats is very dependent of the spicing, time, temperature, acidity of the marinade or sauces. And that SAME paper shows that MOST of the results only doubled or tripled the NATURAL aluminum content of the food. So HOW MUCH you ate of a marinated steak NOT cooked on foil -- could outweigh a smaller portion cooked on foil. So what? Until you have a CONNECTION to a specific med condition -- the caution should be for folks on constant dialysis -- with no natural kidney function. And those folks have a whole ENCYCLOPEDIA of stuff to worry about already..

Hey when I hit 90 like Grandma I'd like to have as much as possible in the brain still working. She used aluminum pans her whole life but ate her own canned food etc... SO very healthy but dementia set in early.

Same with both of my grandmother's. Neither had dementia and died at ages 93 and 101. I guess if they had not canned or used foil, they would have lived on to what? At least 94 and 102?? LOL
We have to use common sense.

Canned food in glass jars are not a hazard. Those old Aluminum pans though in the homes of a lot elderly people you can see how much they have warn over the years. They were handy and lightweight so a lot of people used them. People are free to use whatever they like but if something can or even has a possibility of adding another factor to degradation of ones health I would think they have the right to know that.

POSSIBILITY is the key word. Not brow beat us with it. I do not think they have true sufficient proof to start with. And I do think many come up with this stuff to validate having a job, and making money off it. Having said that, I agree with you we are free to use what we want (as of now that is), and it is not a bad thing to stay informed of a possibility.

 

[PredFan]

After saying all that, I almost always use cast iron. Not because I worry about Alzheimer's, but because that's some damn fine cooking.

 

[Kat]

And I use stainless steel.

 

[MindWars]

And yet people can't put two and two together when we look at the Amish who barely have any cancer rates among them, they don't get vaccinated, and they don't use plastics.

Overall cancer rates in this population were 60 percent of the age-adjusted rate for Ohio and 56 percent of the national rate. The incidence of tobacco-related cancers in the Amish adults was 37 percent of the rate for Ohio adults, and the incidence of non-tobacco-related cancer was 72 percent.
Amish Have Lower Rates Of Cancer, Ohio State Study Shows ...
internalmedicine.osu.edu/nephrology/article.cfm?id=5307

So why?? Even tho the 72% of non-tobacco cancers is not particularly impressive..

Amish have low cancer rate, but why?

The Amish lifestyle is different, for one. They eat a lot of food that they grow or raise and rarely consume processed foods. They tend to get more physical activity, and even though they sometimes are overweight, obesity is rare, she said.

Andy Yoder, a second-year Ohio State medical student who grew up in an Amish home in Sugarcreek, said he wonders about the role of stress.

“They all have their families and friends close by, which is helpful.”

Another difference worth exploring is that Amish people live in rural areas and have less exposure to pollutants than people who live in cities, Yoder said.

There's ALWAYS more than one possible theory...


Then there are the genetic mysteries that might contribute to lower cancer incidence. That’s something Westman and others would love to know more about, but “that is a statistical genetic nightmare.”

You know they say the GMO crops are what caused more cancers than the actual Tobacco, not to mention the Pesticides on the crops.

 

[PredFan]

And I use stainless steel.

I heard stainless steel grows hair on your boobs. Full stop! Buy some cast iron.

 

[RodISHI]

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Wow. Electron Microscope pix. How cool.. Still -- the increase from cooking meats is very dependent of the spicing, time, temperature, acidity of the marinade or sauces. And that SAME paper shows that MOST of the results only doubled or tripled the NATURAL aluminum content of the food. So HOW MUCH you ate of a marinated steak NOT cooked on foil -- could outweigh a smaller portion cooked on foil. So what? Until you have a CONNECTION to a specific med condition -- the caution should be for folks on constant dialysis -- with no natural kidney function. And those folks have a whole ENCYCLOPEDIA of stuff to worry about already..

Hey when I hit 90 like Grandma I'd like to have as much as possible in the brain still working. She used aluminum pans her whole life but ate her own canned food etc... SO very healthy but dementia set in early.

Same with both of my grandmother's. Neither had dementia and died at ages 93 and 101. I guess if they had not canned or used foil, they would have lived on to what? At least 94 and 102?? LOL
We have to use common sense.

Canned food in glass jars are not a hazard. Those old Aluminum pans though in the homes of a lot elderly people you can see how much they have warn over the years. They were handy and lightweight so a lot of people used them. People are free to use whatever they like but if something can or even has a possibility of adding another factor to degradation of ones health I would think they have the right to know that.

POSSIBILITY is the key word. Not brow beat us with it. I do not think they have true sufficient proof to start with. And I do think many come up with this stuff to validate having a job, and making money off it. Having said that, I agree with you we are free to use what we want (as of now that is), and it is not a bad thing to stay informed of a possibility.

Its like anything people can be totally unaware until its too late and they are trying to figure out what, where, when and how. Look at all the people that had no clue the dangers of BPA until their daughters couldn't have children because their Uterus' isn't formed properly. They put some crap in the water supply here a few years ago and swore it wasn't an issue and would hurt the drinking water at all. Such bullshit and people believe them. I could smell the shit in the water even a year later.

 

[flacaltenn]

Of course, I'll change immediately. Because a website like FAITH PANDA is a trusted source of cutting edge medical research and did NOT try to hack my computer while I went to view your link..

STUPIDITY maybe if you stop using the foil and teflon pans you might grow some of that brain back..

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Turns out you shouldn't be using aluminium foil on the barbecue

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Comparison of the regional distribution of transferrin receptors and aluminium in the forebrain of chronic renal dialysis patients. - PubMed - NCBI

Nawww. Don't think it's stupidity in my case. More CURIOUS and ANALYTICAL than a member of the easily panicked herd.

Let's start here -- The study you produced was done on people with kidneys SO FAR GONE that they required "chronic dialysis". So, that's not a measure of how much Alum. sticks around from ingestion. Which maybe in the range of 1% or less. And as it turns out -- the ONLY verifiable Alzheimer deaths due to "aluminum poisoning" are less than 5. One a man who WORKED in a hazardous Alum dust enviro. One a women who's municipal water supply had HIGH levels of NATURALLY occurring ALum..

So -- the "foil" risk is just a SMALL FRACTION of the concerns when considering how the body inhales or digests FOOD PRODUCTS containing aluminum. For instance, if you are a cook or a baker -- and I am --- I KNOW that many leavening agents show Alum components right on the damn pkg. To wit....

Aluminium content of selected foods and food products
Aluminium is the third most abundant element in the earth's crust and is therefore a natural component of drinking water and foodstuffs and is a component of many manufactured materials. Exposure of the human body to aluminium may be by food [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8] including drinking water, fruit juices wine and beer [9, 10, 11], articles of daily use that are made of aluminium, cosmetics and pharmaceuticals such as local therapeutic agents, anti-diarrhoeal drugs or antacids. Increased aluminium exposure can be compensated for by excretion via intestines and normal, healthy kidneys. Kidney insufficiency was shown to result in increased aluminium concentrations in the kidneys of dialysis patients, possibly resulting from dialysis fluids that may contain substantial concentrations of aluminium [12].

For many years, aluminium was not considered a health threat because of its relatively low bioavailability. In 1965, however, animal experiments suggested a possible connection between aluminium and Alzheimer's disease, whereby aluminium salts were injected directly into rabbit brain where they caused tissue alterations (for a review see [13]). Increased aluminium concentrations were found in the brains of deceased Alzheimer's patients. Other studies, however, have been unable to find definite indications supporting the hypothesis that aluminium plays a causative role in Alzheimer's disease or causes pathological alterations in vivo in the species studied [14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20].

In the 1970s, the issue of toxicity of aluminium gained importance after Berlyne et al. (1970) reported on increased aluminium concentrations in the serum of nephropathic persons [21]. The findings of Alfrey et al. [22] increased concerns about an increased oral intake of aluminium since these findings were the first to establish a connection between neurologic diseases of dialysis patients and an increased intake of aluminium in the organism. In a more recent study aluminium is also discussed as as an endocrine disruptor in female Nile Tilapia (Oreochromis niloticus) [23].

Food is unquestionably the main source of aluminium intake, whereby the source is considered either primary or secondary. The primary content is the natural content of food caused by uptake from the geologic surrounding during growth and is for all practical purposes unavoidable. The secondary content is the primary content plus any possible contamination from aluminium articles that come into contact with food and additives as well as veterinary drugs, fertilisers and the air. Table 1 shows the main, permissible secondary aluminium sources that may lead to an aluminium accumulation in food.

Check out the FOOD table in that article to see how "herbal teas" cocoa powder, baked goods and other common foods, food additives, vaccines, and enviro exposure to common stuff --- BESIDES Alum foil is actually a part of this concern..

Then cruise over to WebMd (aluminum toxicity Alzheimers) and read about all the studies that DID NOT SHOW aluminum toxicity as a suspect cause...

It's "unsettled science" --- As MOST of science is..

Unsettled science still doesn't mean that all theories have equal validity. This is more in the category of accepted science, meaning the leading authorities are comfortable with the finding even if every potential aspect is not, and possibly will never be known.

And "what finding" would that be? Especially, if there's no effort to establish min safe exposure levels or QUANTIFY the exact risk for Alzheimers and the other "postulated" outcomes?

No findings -- no "accepted" science. Just gathering empirical evidence on "causality" and attempting to identify the possible "vector sources" for the theory.

Did ya go the WebMD site? Probably not..

Controversial Claims About the Causes of Alzheimer's Disease

One of the most publicized and controversial theories concerns aluminum, which became a suspect in Alzheimer's disease when researchers found traces of this metal in the brains of patients with Alzheimer's disease. Many studies since then have either not been able to confirm this finding or have had questionable results.

Aluminum does turn up in higher amounts than normal in some autopsy studies of Alzheimer's patients, but not in all. Further doubt about the importance of aluminum stems from the possibility that the aluminum found in some studies did not all come from the brain tissues being studied. Instead, some could have come from the special substances used in the laboratory to study brain tissue.

Aluminum is a common element in the Earth's crust and is found in small amounts in numerous household products and in many foods. As a result, there have been fears that aluminum in the diet or absorbed in other ways could be a factor in Alzheimer's. One study found that people who used antiperspirants and antacids containing aluminum had a higher risk of developing Alzheimer's. Others have also reported an association between aluminum exposure and Alzheimer's disease.

On the other hand, various studies have found that groups of people exposed to high levels of aluminum do not have an increased risk. Moreover, aluminum in cooking utensils does not get into food, and the aluminum that does occur naturally in some foods, such as potatoes, is not absorbed well by the body. On the whole, scientists can say only that it is still uncertain whether exposure to aluminum plays a role in Alzheimer's disease.

http://www.alz.org/alzwa/documents/alzwa_resource_ad_fs_aluminum.pdf

Does aluminum play a role in causing
Alzheimer’s disease?
Thinking about whether aluminum plays any role in
Alzheimer’s disease has evolved over the 40 years that
researchers have been exploring this question. The theory
that aluminum might be involved emerged in the 1960s
after scientists discovered that exposing rabbits’ brains to
aluminum caused nerve cell damage with some similarity to
Alzheimer pathology. Physicians also noted that people
undergoing long-term dialysis sometimes develop a nonAlzheimer
form of dementia caused by a buildup of
aluminum in the bloodstream. These observations raised
the specter that aluminum might be one of the first
substances implicated in triggering Alzheimer’s.
However, studies since then have failed to document a
clear role for aluminum in causing Alzheimer’s. Every
perspective from which researchers have explored the
question has yielded contradictory data. For virtually every
study suggesting that aluminum may be linked to
Alzheimer’s, there is another study failing to confirm
those results.
The vast majority of mainstream scientists now believe that
if aluminum plays any role at all in Alzheimer’s, that role is
small. If aluminum exposure had a major impact on risk,
scientists would have gained a clearer picture of its
involvement over the decades that they have been studying
the issue, even though certain factors hamper research. One
such issue lies in the widespread occurrence of both
aluminum and Alzheimer’s, which complicates the effort to
characterize their relationship. Aluminum is Earth’s third
most common element after oxygen and silicon, and
Alzheimer’s occurs frequently in older adults.

.........
Further, it is unlikely that people can significantly reduce their exposure to aluminum through such measures as avoiding aluminum-containing cookware, foil, beverage cans, medications and other products. Even if aluminum were clearly implicated in Alzheimer’s, these routes of exposure account for only a small percentage of the average person’s intake.


I've got another source on this -- my daughter, who has worked in 2 of the top US research labs on Alzheimer's in the past few years. And we've had long discussions about the "elevated number" and enviro issues. And there's a LOT of theories. But not a lot of "settled or "consensus" science on this theory about metals.

Not even CONSENSUS science at this point. Not likely to BE SETTLED science in the near future.

If you say so, but that means you have to quit wearing your tinfoil hat.

I only wear it on trips outside my "compound". While IN the compound, I rely on Lead shielding floor to ceiling.

Although for special threads at USMB -- I'll put it on to get in the vibe.. And more importantly, ---- avoid detection. Wouldn't want anyone in govt knowing my internet content..

 

[MindWars]

There's a couple of dozen posts on Facebook going around now about the fear that slow cookers are giving us all lead poison. OMG OMG OMG OMG!!! Apparently according to the click bait, the lead seeps out of the ceramic pot during those long cooks. You can buy test tools from hardware stores and someone has. Showed no lead at all.

Doubtless, this aluminum thing will go away again.

Dude c'mon think about it when stuff gets hot like ceramic/ clay it gives off a gas we can't see. In that gas are going to be the chemicals which also get absorbed by the food.

All this bs we cook in isn't any damn good for us and wth else can we do , other than live like a freaking caveman LOL.

 

[MindWars]

STUPIDITY maybe if you stop using the foil and teflon pans you might grow some of that brain back..

View attachment 119748

Turns out you shouldn't be using aluminium foil on the barbecue

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Comparison of the regional distribution of transferrin receptors and aluminium in the forebrain of chronic renal dialysis patients. - PubMed - NCBI

Nawww. Don't think it's stupidity in my case. More CURIOUS and ANALYTICAL than a member of the easily panicked herd.

Let's start here -- The study you produced was done on people with kidneys SO FAR GONE that they required "chronic dialysis". So, that's not a measure of how much Alum. sticks around from ingestion. Which maybe in the range of 1% or less. And as it turns out -- the ONLY verifiable Alzheimer deaths due to "aluminum poisoning" are less than 5. One a man who WORKED in a hazardous Alum dust enviro. One a women who's municipal water supply had HIGH levels of NATURALLY occurring ALum..

So -- the "foil" risk is just a SMALL FRACTION of the concerns when considering how the body inhales or digests FOOD PRODUCTS containing aluminum. For instance, if you are a cook or a baker -- and I am --- I KNOW that many leavening agents show Alum components right on the damn pkg. To wit....

Aluminium content of selected foods and food products
Aluminium is the third most abundant element in the earth's crust and is therefore a natural component of drinking water and foodstuffs and is a component of many manufactured materials. Exposure of the human body to aluminium may be by food [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8] including drinking water, fruit juices wine and beer [9, 10, 11], articles of daily use that are made of aluminium, cosmetics and pharmaceuticals such as local therapeutic agents, anti-diarrhoeal drugs or antacids. Increased aluminium exposure can be compensated for by excretion via intestines and normal, healthy kidneys. Kidney insufficiency was shown to result in increased aluminium concentrations in the kidneys of dialysis patients, possibly resulting from dialysis fluids that may contain substantial concentrations of aluminium [12].

For many years, aluminium was not considered a health threat because of its relatively low bioavailability. In 1965, however, animal experiments suggested a possible connection between aluminium and Alzheimer's disease, whereby aluminium salts were injected directly into rabbit brain where they caused tissue alterations (for a review see [13]). Increased aluminium concentrations were found in the brains of deceased Alzheimer's patients. Other studies, however, have been unable to find definite indications supporting the hypothesis that aluminium plays a causative role in Alzheimer's disease or causes pathological alterations in vivo in the species studied [14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20].

In the 1970s, the issue of toxicity of aluminium gained importance after Berlyne et al. (1970) reported on increased aluminium concentrations in the serum of nephropathic persons [21]. The findings of Alfrey et al. [22] increased concerns about an increased oral intake of aluminium since these findings were the first to establish a connection between neurologic diseases of dialysis patients and an increased intake of aluminium in the organism. In a more recent study aluminium is also discussed as as an endocrine disruptor in female Nile Tilapia (Oreochromis niloticus) [23].

Food is unquestionably the main source of aluminium intake, whereby the source is considered either primary or secondary. The primary content is the natural content of food caused by uptake from the geologic surrounding during growth and is for all practical purposes unavoidable. The secondary content is the primary content plus any possible contamination from aluminium articles that come into contact with food and additives as well as veterinary drugs, fertilisers and the air. Table 1 shows the main, permissible secondary aluminium sources that may lead to an aluminium accumulation in food.

Check out the FOOD table in that article to see how "herbal teas" cocoa powder, baked goods and other common foods, food additives, vaccines, and enviro exposure to common stuff --- BESIDES Alum foil is actually a part of this concern..

Then cruise over to WebMd (aluminum toxicity Alzheimers) and read about all the studies that DID NOT SHOW aluminum toxicity as a suspect cause...

It's "unsettled science" --- As MOST of science is..

Unsettled science still doesn't mean that all theories have equal validity. This is more in the category of accepted science, meaning the leading authorities are comfortable with the finding even if every potential aspect is not, and possibly will never be known.

And "what finding" would that be? Especially, if there's no effort to establish min safe exposure levels or QUANTIFY the exact risk for Alzheimers and the other "postulated" outcomes?

No findings -- no "accepted" science. Just gathering empirical evidence on "causality" and attempting to identify the possible "vector sources" for the theory.

Did ya go the WebMD site? Probably not..

Controversial Claims About the Causes of Alzheimer's Disease

One of the most publicized and controversial theories concerns aluminum, which became a suspect in Alzheimer's disease when researchers found traces of this metal in the brains of patients with Alzheimer's disease. Many studies since then have either not been able to confirm this finding or have had questionable results.

Aluminum does turn up in higher amounts than normal in some autopsy studies of Alzheimer's patients, but not in all. Further doubt about the importance of aluminum stems from the possibility that the aluminum found in some studies did not all come from the brain tissues being studied. Instead, some could have come from the special substances used in the laboratory to study brain tissue.

Aluminum is a common element in the Earth's crust and is found in small amounts in numerous household products and in many foods. As a result, there have been fears that aluminum in the diet or absorbed in other ways could be a factor in Alzheimer's. One study found that people who used antiperspirants and antacids containing aluminum had a higher risk of developing Alzheimer's. Others have also reported an association between aluminum exposure and Alzheimer's disease.

On the other hand, various studies have found that groups of people exposed to high levels of aluminum do not have an increased risk. Moreover, aluminum in cooking utensils does not get into food, and the aluminum that does occur naturally in some foods, such as potatoes, is not absorbed well by the body. On the whole, scientists can say only that it is still uncertain whether exposure to aluminum plays a role in Alzheimer's disease.

http://www.alz.org/alzwa/documents/alzwa_resource_ad_fs_aluminum.pdf

Does aluminum play a role in causing
Alzheimer’s disease?
Thinking about whether aluminum plays any role in
Alzheimer’s disease has evolved over the 40 years that
researchers have been exploring this question. The theory
that aluminum might be involved emerged in the 1960s
after scientists discovered that exposing rabbits’ brains to
aluminum caused nerve cell damage with some similarity to
Alzheimer pathology. Physicians also noted that people
undergoing long-term dialysis sometimes develop a nonAlzheimer
form of dementia caused by a buildup of
aluminum in the bloodstream. These observations raised
the specter that aluminum might be one of the first
substances implicated in triggering Alzheimer’s.
However, studies since then have failed to document a
clear role for aluminum in causing Alzheimer’s. Every
perspective from which researchers have explored the
question has yielded contradictory data. For virtually every
study suggesting that aluminum may be linked to
Alzheimer’s, there is another study failing to confirm
those results.
The vast majority of mainstream scientists now believe that
if aluminum plays any role at all in Alzheimer’s, that role is
small. If aluminum exposure had a major impact on risk,
scientists would have gained a clearer picture of its
involvement over the decades that they have been studying
the issue, even though certain factors hamper research. One
such issue lies in the widespread occurrence of both
aluminum and Alzheimer’s, which complicates the effort to
characterize their relationship. Aluminum is Earth’s third
most common element after oxygen and silicon, and
Alzheimer’s occurs frequently in older adults.

.........
Further, it is unlikely that people can significantly reduce their exposure to aluminum through such measures as avoiding aluminum-containing cookware, foil, beverage cans, medications and other products. Even if aluminum were clearly implicated in Alzheimer’s, these routes of exposure account for only a small percentage of the average person’s intake.


I've got another source on this -- my daughter, who has worked in 2 of the top US research labs on Alzheimer's in the past few years. And we've had long discussions about the "elevated number" and enviro issues. And there's a LOT of theories. But not a lot of "settled or "consensus" science on this theory about metals.

Not even CONSENSUS science at this point. Not likely to BE SETTLED science in the near future.

If you say so, but that means you have to quit wearing your tinfoil hat.

I only wear it on trips outside my "compound". While IN the compound, I rely on Lead shielding floor to ceiling.

Although for special threads at USMB -- I'll put it on to get in the vibe.. And more importantly, ---- avoid detection. Wouldn't want anyone in govt knowing my internet content..

 

[BULLDOG]

STUPIDITY maybe if you stop using the foil and teflon pans you might grow some of that brain back..

View attachment 119748

Turns out you shouldn't be using aluminium foil on the barbecue

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Comparison of the regional distribution of transferrin receptors and aluminium in the forebrain of chronic renal dialysis patients. - PubMed - NCBI

Nawww. Don't think it's stupidity in my case. More CURIOUS and ANALYTICAL than a member of the easily panicked herd.

Let's start here -- The study you produced was done on people with kidneys SO FAR GONE that they required "chronic dialysis". So, that's not a measure of how much Alum. sticks around from ingestion. Which maybe in the range of 1% or less. And as it turns out -- the ONLY verifiable Alzheimer deaths due to "aluminum poisoning" are less than 5. One a man who WORKED in a hazardous Alum dust enviro. One a women who's municipal water supply had HIGH levels of NATURALLY occurring ALum..

So -- the "foil" risk is just a SMALL FRACTION of the concerns when considering how the body inhales or digests FOOD PRODUCTS containing aluminum. For instance, if you are a cook or a baker -- and I am --- I KNOW that many leavening agents show Alum components right on the damn pkg. To wit....

Aluminium content of selected foods and food products
Aluminium is the third most abundant element in the earth's crust and is therefore a natural component of drinking water and foodstuffs and is a component of many manufactured materials. Exposure of the human body to aluminium may be by food [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8] including drinking water, fruit juices wine and beer [9, 10, 11], articles of daily use that are made of aluminium, cosmetics and pharmaceuticals such as local therapeutic agents, anti-diarrhoeal drugs or antacids. Increased aluminium exposure can be compensated for by excretion via intestines and normal, healthy kidneys. Kidney insufficiency was shown to result in increased aluminium concentrations in the kidneys of dialysis patients, possibly resulting from dialysis fluids that may contain substantial concentrations of aluminium [12].

For many years, aluminium was not considered a health threat because of its relatively low bioavailability. In 1965, however, animal experiments suggested a possible connection between aluminium and Alzheimer's disease, whereby aluminium salts were injected directly into rabbit brain where they caused tissue alterations (for a review see [13]). Increased aluminium concentrations were found in the brains of deceased Alzheimer's patients. Other studies, however, have been unable to find definite indications supporting the hypothesis that aluminium plays a causative role in Alzheimer's disease or causes pathological alterations in vivo in the species studied [14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20].

In the 1970s, the issue of toxicity of aluminium gained importance after Berlyne et al. (1970) reported on increased aluminium concentrations in the serum of nephropathic persons [21]. The findings of Alfrey et al. [22] increased concerns about an increased oral intake of aluminium since these findings were the first to establish a connection between neurologic diseases of dialysis patients and an increased intake of aluminium in the organism. In a more recent study aluminium is also discussed as as an endocrine disruptor in female Nile Tilapia (Oreochromis niloticus) [23].

Food is unquestionably the main source of aluminium intake, whereby the source is considered either primary or secondary. The primary content is the natural content of food caused by uptake from the geologic surrounding during growth and is for all practical purposes unavoidable. The secondary content is the primary content plus any possible contamination from aluminium articles that come into contact with food and additives as well as veterinary drugs, fertilisers and the air. Table 1 shows the main, permissible secondary aluminium sources that may lead to an aluminium accumulation in food.

Check out the FOOD table in that article to see how "herbal teas" cocoa powder, baked goods and other common foods, food additives, vaccines, and enviro exposure to common stuff --- BESIDES Alum foil is actually a part of this concern..

Then cruise over to WebMd (aluminum toxicity Alzheimers) and read about all the studies that DID NOT SHOW aluminum toxicity as a suspect cause...

It's "unsettled science" --- As MOST of science is..

Unsettled science still doesn't mean that all theories have equal validity. This is more in the category of accepted science, meaning the leading authorities are comfortable with the finding even if every potential aspect is not, and possibly will never be known.

And "what finding" would that be? Especially, if there's no effort to establish min safe exposure levels or QUANTIFY the exact risk for Alzheimers and the other "postulated" outcomes?

No findings -- no "accepted" science. Just gathering empirical evidence on "causality" and attempting to identify the possible "vector sources" for the theory.

Did ya go the WebMD site? Probably not..

Controversial Claims About the Causes of Alzheimer's Disease

One of the most publicized and controversial theories concerns aluminum, which became a suspect in Alzheimer's disease when researchers found traces of this metal in the brains of patients with Alzheimer's disease. Many studies since then have either not been able to confirm this finding or have had questionable results.

Aluminum does turn up in higher amounts than normal in some autopsy studies of Alzheimer's patients, but not in all. Further doubt about the importance of aluminum stems from the possibility that the aluminum found in some studies did not all come from the brain tissues being studied. Instead, some could have come from the special substances used in the laboratory to study brain tissue.

Aluminum is a common element in the Earth's crust and is found in small amounts in numerous household products and in many foods. As a result, there have been fears that aluminum in the diet or absorbed in other ways could be a factor in Alzheimer's. One study found that people who used antiperspirants and antacids containing aluminum had a higher risk of developing Alzheimer's. Others have also reported an association between aluminum exposure and Alzheimer's disease.

On the other hand, various studies have found that groups of people exposed to high levels of aluminum do not have an increased risk. Moreover, aluminum in cooking utensils does not get into food, and the aluminum that does occur naturally in some foods, such as potatoes, is not absorbed well by the body. On the whole, scientists can say only that it is still uncertain whether exposure to aluminum plays a role in Alzheimer's disease.

http://www.alz.org/alzwa/documents/alzwa_resource_ad_fs_aluminum.pdf

Does aluminum play a role in causing
Alzheimer’s disease?
Thinking about whether aluminum plays any role in
Alzheimer’s disease has evolved over the 40 years that
researchers have been exploring this question. The theory
that aluminum might be involved emerged in the 1960s
after scientists discovered that exposing rabbits’ brains to
aluminum caused nerve cell damage with some similarity to
Alzheimer pathology. Physicians also noted that people
undergoing long-term dialysis sometimes develop a nonAlzheimer
form of dementia caused by a buildup of
aluminum in the bloodstream. These observations raised
the specter that aluminum might be one of the first
substances implicated in triggering Alzheimer’s.
However, studies since then have failed to document a
clear role for aluminum in causing Alzheimer’s. Every
perspective from which researchers have explored the
question has yielded contradictory data. For virtually every
study suggesting that aluminum may be linked to
Alzheimer’s, there is another study failing to confirm
those results.
The vast majority of mainstream scientists now believe that
if aluminum plays any role at all in Alzheimer’s, that role is
small. If aluminum exposure had a major impact on risk,
scientists would have gained a clearer picture of its
involvement over the decades that they have been studying
the issue, even though certain factors hamper research. One
such issue lies in the widespread occurrence of both
aluminum and Alzheimer’s, which complicates the effort to
characterize their relationship. Aluminum is Earth’s third
most common element after oxygen and silicon, and
Alzheimer’s occurs frequently in older adults.

.........
Further, it is unlikely that people can significantly reduce their exposure to aluminum through such measures as avoiding aluminum-containing cookware, foil, beverage cans, medications and other products. Even if aluminum were clearly implicated in Alzheimer’s, these routes of exposure account for only a small percentage of the average person’s intake.


I've got another source on this -- my daughter, who has worked in 2 of the top US research labs on Alzheimer's in the past few years. And we've had long discussions about the "elevated number" and enviro issues. And there's a LOT of theories. But not a lot of "settled or "consensus" science on this theory about metals.

Not even CONSENSUS science at this point. Not likely to BE SETTLED science in the near future.

If you say so, but that means you have to quit wearing your tinfoil hat.

I only wear it on trips outside my "compound". While IN the compound, I rely on Lead shielding floor to ceiling.

Although for special threads at USMB -- I'll put it on to get in the vibe.. And more importantly, ---- avoid detection. Wouldn't want anyone in govt knowing my internet content..

Some might see that as a silly sarcastic remark. I'm pretty sure some here wouldn't

 

[RodISHI]

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Wow. Electron Microscope pix. How cool.. Still -- the increase from cooking meats is very dependent of the spicing, time, temperature, acidity of the marinade or sauces. And that SAME paper shows that MOST of the results only doubled or tripled the NATURAL aluminum content of the food. So HOW MUCH you ate of a marinated steak NOT cooked on foil -- could outweigh a smaller portion cooked on foil. So what? Until you have a CONNECTION to a specific med condition -- the caution should be for folks on constant dialysis -- with no natural kidney function. And those folks have a whole ENCYCLOPEDIA of stuff to worry about already..

Hey when I hit 90 like Grandma I'd like to have as much as possible in the brain still working. She used aluminum pans her whole life but ate her own canned food etc... SO very healthy but dementia set in early.

Same with both of my grandmother's. Neither had dementia and died at ages 93 and 101. I guess if they had not canned or used foil, they would have lived on to what? At least 94 and 102?? LOL
We have to use common sense.

Canned food in glass jars are not a hazard. Those old Aluminum pans though in the homes of a lot elderly people you can see how much they have warn over the years. They were handy and lightweight so a lot of people used them. People are free to use whatever they like but if something can or even has a possibility of adding another factor to degradation of ones health I would think they have the right to know that.

POSSIBILITY is the key word. Not brow beat us with it. I do not think they have true sufficient proof to start with. And I do think many come up with this stuff to validate having a job, and making money off it. Having said that, I agree with you we are free to use what we want (as of now that is), and it is not a bad thing to stay informed of a possibility.

They found Aluminum in the peoples brains when they did autopsies. I don't consider putting the info out in the public browbeating.

Young people are brainwashed and stupid enough without making them more ignorant or withholding any information that may help them in their future or improve their chances. Hell I had no idea Chobani Yogurt had a crappy hard to kill fungus in it until three years after the fact.

 

[Kat]

Wow. Electron Microscope pix. How cool.. Still -- the increase from cooking meats is very dependent of the spicing, time, temperature, acidity of the marinade or sauces. And that SAME paper shows that MOST of the results only doubled or tripled the NATURAL aluminum content of the food. So HOW MUCH you ate of a marinated steak NOT cooked on foil -- could outweigh a smaller portion cooked on foil. So what? Until you have a CONNECTION to a specific med condition -- the caution should be for folks on constant dialysis -- with no natural kidney function. And those folks have a whole ENCYCLOPEDIA of stuff to worry about already..

Hey when I hit 90 like Grandma I'd like to have as much as possible in the brain still working. She used aluminum pans her whole life but ate her own canned food etc... SO very healthy but dementia set in early.

Same with both of my grandmother's. Neither had dementia and died at ages 93 and 101. I guess if they had not canned or used foil, they would have lived on to what? At least 94 and 102?? LOL
We have to use common sense.

Canned food in glass jars are not a hazard. Those old Aluminum pans though in the homes of a lot elderly people you can see how much they have warn over the years. They were handy and lightweight so a lot of people used them. People are free to use whatever they like but if something can or even has a possibility of adding another factor to degradation of ones health I would think they have the right to know that.

POSSIBILITY is the key word. Not brow beat us with it. I do not think they have true sufficient proof to start with. And I do think many come up with this stuff to validate having a job, and making money off it. Having said that, I agree with you we are free to use what we want (as of now that is), and it is not a bad thing to stay informed of a possibility.

Its like anything people can be totally unaware until its too late and they are trying to figure out what, where, when and how. Look at all the people that had no clue the dangers of BPA until their daughters couldn't have children because their Uterus' isn't formed properly. They put some crap in the water supply here a few years ago and swore it wasn't an issue and would hurt the drinking water at all. Such bullshit and people believe them. I could smell the shit in the water even a year later.

Thing is is that is true of almost anything in life. Except I don't much believe anything. Total proof and yeah I might then, but overall there are too many opinions and variables.

 

[RodISHI]

Hey when I hit 90 like Grandma I'd like to have as much as possible in the brain still working. She used aluminum pans her whole life but ate her own canned food etc... SO very healthy but dementia set in early.

Same with both of my grandmother's. Neither had dementia and died at ages 93 and 101. I guess if they had not canned or used foil, they would have lived on to what? At least 94 and 102?? LOL
We have to use common sense.

Canned food in glass jars are not a hazard. Those old Aluminum pans though in the homes of a lot elderly people you can see how much they have warn over the years. They were handy and lightweight so a lot of people used them. People are free to use whatever they like but if something can or even has a possibility of adding another factor to degradation of ones health I would think they have the right to know that.

POSSIBILITY is the key word. Not brow beat us with it. I do not think they have true sufficient proof to start with. And I do think many come up with this stuff to validate having a job, and making money off it. Having said that, I agree with you we are free to use what we want (as of now that is), and it is not a bad thing to stay informed of a possibility.

Its like anything people can be totally unaware until its too late and they are trying to figure out what, where, when and how. Look at all the people that had no clue the dangers of BPA until their daughters couldn't have children because their Uterus' isn't formed properly. They put some crap in the water supply here a few years ago and swore it wasn't an issue and would hurt the drinking water at all. Such bullshit and people believe them. I could smell the shit in the water even a year later.

Thing is is that is true of almost anything in life. Except I don't much believe anything. Total proof and yeah I might then, but overall there are too many opinions and variables.

And that is all fine and a choice you make but at least the information is available if you are willing to search it out these days. Previously it wasn't all readily available. I had a good family doc for years and a neighbor that keeps up on the newest medical info as much as possible because that is required in her work..

 

[Kat]

They found Aluminum in the peoples brains when they did autopsies

Yes. I know. As I said my mother died of Alzheimer's a couple of months ago. Do you really think I don't take it seriously after the hell she went through, and I went through dealing with it? And am far from over it.

My mom was one of those healthy eaters all of her life. Big on fresh vegetables...always.

 

[Kat]

Same with both of my grandmother's. Neither had dementia and died at ages 93 and 101. I guess if they had not canned or used foil, they would have lived on to what? At least 94 and 102?? LOL
We have to use common sense.

Canned food in glass jars are not a hazard. Those old Aluminum pans though in the homes of a lot elderly people you can see how much they have warn over the years. They were handy and lightweight so a lot of people used them. People are free to use whatever they like but if something can or even has a possibility of adding another factor to degradation of ones health I would think they have the right to know that.

POSSIBILITY is the key word. Not brow beat us with it. I do not think they have true sufficient proof to start with. And I do think many come up with this stuff to validate having a job, and making money off it. Having said that, I agree with you we are free to use what we want (as of now that is), and it is not a bad thing to stay informed of a possibility.

Its like anything people can be totally unaware until its too late and they are trying to figure out what, where, when and how. Look at all the people that had no clue the dangers of BPA until their daughters couldn't have children because their Uterus' isn't formed properly. They put some crap in the water supply here a few years ago and swore it wasn't an issue and would hurt the drinking water at all. Such bullshit and people believe them. I could smell the shit in the water even a year later.

Thing is is that is true of almost anything in life. Except I don't much believe anything. Total proof and yeah I might then, but overall there are too many opinions and variables.

And that is all fine and a choice you make but at least the information is available if you are willing to search it out these days. Previously it wasn't all readily available. I had a good family doc for years and a neighbor that keeps up on the newest medical info as much as possible because that is required in her work..

I knew details of Alzheimer's for a very long time before my mother had it. I certainly could not stop it. Nor could she OR any doctor.

 

[RodISHI]

They found Aluminum in the peoples brains when they did autopsies

Yes. I know. As I said my mother died of Alzheimer's a couple of months ago. Do you really think I don't take it seriously after the hell she went through, and I went through dealing with it? And am far from over it.

My mom was one of those healthy eaters all of her life. Big on fresh vegetables...always.

A lot of factors can trigger dementia. One that was found most (80%) in a doctor studying brains was a certain strain of streptococcus (if I recall properly) which is hard to kill. The other factor very possibly in that would be a carrier that would help penetrate the blood brain barrier which Aluminum could do. Mercury too.

 

[Kat]

They found Aluminum in the peoples brains when they did autopsies

Yes. I know. As I said my mother died of Alzheimer's a couple of months ago. Do you really think I don't take it seriously after the hell she went through, and I went through dealing with it? And am far from over it.

My mom was one of those healthy eaters all of her life. Big on fresh vegetables...always.

A lot of factors can trigger dementia. One that was found most (80%) in a doctor studying brains was a certain strain of streptococcus (if I recall properly) which is hard to kill. The other factor very possibly in that would be a carrier that would help penetrate the blood brain barrier which Aluminum could do. Mercury too.

Not really buying that. No offense.

BTW Have you done the peanut butter test? I have.

 

[Ringel05]

I've got some Blue Mass for sale........

Is that the Aluminum Barium Silicate that they have been spraying in the skies? You know plants won't grow where Aluminum is concentrated in the ground. Monsanto has a patented seed that will grow in dirt with high Aluminum concentrates though so its all okay ***again sarcasm intended***

Blue mass was mostly mercury in a tablet form that was prevalent in the 19th century as a supposed cure-all.
As for aluminum I can draw all sorts of medical correlations also......... I can also draw medical correlations from just about anything, there in lies the challenge with true medical research.

I think it all plays a piece and a part yet they have everything so damn polluted at this point its going to be hard to pinpoint exacts. Here there have always been some pretty dastardly diseases but when you factor in the pollution and how much of the natural they have killed off I believe its made those diseases worse. Like Poke Weed root kills one disease that is spread by the birds but the birds actually can eat the Poke Berries without getting sick and the Poke Berry has the ability to kill that particular disease and was also called the cancer root because it killed certain cancers. (can't recall offhand the particular disease its in notes in other puter)

Supposedly plastics continue to give off "gasses", there was at least one study that claimed this was the cause of almost all cancers.

And yet people can't put two and two together when we look at the Amish who barely have any cancer rates among them, they don't get vaccinated, and they don't use plastics.

We're talking the older generation more so than the younger, as the younger are getting tainted with American bs.

It's most likely a whole combination of factors.
Fact: Cancer has been around forever.
Fact: What is now known to be cancer was not always called cancer.
Fact: Yes our medical knowledge has increased by leaps and bounds in the last 100 years.
Fact: What we now know of as or now call cancer has been shown to dramatically increase over the last 100 years with the advent of "modern" technology.
Fact: we label more diseases as cancer than we did just 30 years ago.
Fact: We are living much longer than we used to even 50 years ago, more cancer is being found in older people.
Fact: Obesity is on the rise, obesity opens doors to certain types of cancer.
Fact: Cancer has been on the decline from a high in 1990

Here's one source;

Growth of Cancer

 

[Kat]

And I use stainless steel.

I heard stainless steel grows hair on your boobs. Full stop! Buy some cast iron.

Not true!! But, i do have cast iron as well. Now I guess we will OD on iron.