Do you want political representation or not?

[Skull Pilot]

If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?

 

[Maxdeath]

The only real problem is too many think that they should be given participation trophies. They should get their way no matter which party is in the drivers seat. What we need more then a third or fourth or fifth party is two important things.
1. Put up good candidates. Not just who looks pretty or who should be president because of something like skin color, gender or any other crazy notion.
2. Learn the art of statesmanship and compromise. Not everything that you think is good for you is good for everyone. There are millions of people not just one.

 

[DOTR]

If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?

More moderate. But my big question here is, in some countries those parties, when elected, form "coalitions" in order to lead. I don't think it's optional--they seem to need to in order to get things done. How does that work? It would certainly be a more cooperative form of government than what we have right now.

That would be great. It would isolate the extremist wings, since no one would want to work and play with them. Or at least one would hope not.

Hi oldlady. Good point but the not-so-obvious answer is that we do the same. It’s just that we form our coalitions and run them before election rather than forming them in parliaments as in Westminster systems.
The groups argue and tussle for power within the party and publish an agreement we call a platform.
You could see it very obviously in Reagan/Bush each representing a wing of Republican coalition.

 

[DOTR]

If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?

More moderate. But my big question here is, in some countries those parties, when elected, form "coalitions" in order to lead. I don't think it's optional--they seem to need to in order to get things done. How does that work? It would certainly be a more cooperative form of government than what we have right now.

That would be great. It would isolate the extremist wings, since no one would want to work and play with them. Or at least one would hope not.

BTW there is no necessity in law for coalitions in Westminster systems. They only result when no party has a majority. Other times it’s winner take all. If a party gains a bare one seat majority in the Lowe house only they then control the executive, legislative and judicial functions and can run roughshod.

 

[Oddball]

If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?

So many flavors of statist central planner despotism, such little time!....It's like the conundrum brought about by having to decide which lethal exotic disease you'd want to cause your ultimate demise.

OTOH, I doubt that ole comrade Bernie would approve of such a dizzying array of "choices".

 

[BuckToothMoron]

If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?

One issue you create with more than 2 parties is the possibility that a minor party, perhaps one with less than 25% of support, becoming the controlling interest. I have not seen a viable method proposed for a multi-party system.

 

[Brain357]

A party that is actually fiscally responsible would be nice.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?

More moderate. But my big question here is, in some countries those parties, when elected, form "coalitions" in order to lead. I don't think it's optional--they seem to need to in order to get things done. How does that work? It would certainly be a more cooperative form of government than what we have right now.

That would be great. It would isolate the extremist wings, since no one would want to work and play with them. Or at least one would hope not.

So, in Germany for example, it used to be the liberal SPD and the Greens who got together. They'd have to form a deal, so the Greens would get some things they wanted, in exchange for supporting the SPD's stuff.

The CDU/CSU would form with the FDP.

It's changed, it's been SPD and CDU/CSU together in a grand coalition. Essentially they hammer out a deal of how to work together, and it works.

Politicians can't go far out wacko, because it just doesn't get them far, though that option is still available for those who want to vote it.

What you outlined in Germany exist in a fashion already in the US. The greenies work with the Dems, the religious wackos with the Repubs, and so on. Wikipedia list around 30 minor parties in the US. I’m unclear what you’re proposing.

 

[Skull Pilot]

A party that is actually fiscally responsible would be nice.

don't hold your breath

Every single presidential administration since Coolidge has increased the debt

 

[dblack]

www.fairvote.org.

 

[Oddball]

www.fairvote.org.

 

[Preacher]

If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?

Racial Socialist. I would take from the left Universal healthcare and that's it. Make the GOP more populist and nationalist and Universal Healthcare would do that.

 

[my2¢]

3 that would interest me are: a Blue Dog, Christian Democratic and toga parties.

 

[frigidweirdo]

If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?

So many flavors of statist central planner despotism, such little time!....It's like the conundrum brought about by having to decide which lethal exotic disease you'd want to cause your ultimate demise.

OTOH, I doubt that ole comrade Bernie would approve of such a dizzying array of "choices".

Some are just better (or less worse) than others. That's the whole point.

 

[frigidweirdo]

If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?

Racial Socialist. I would take from the left Universal healthcare and that's it. Make the GOP more populist and nationalist and Universal Healthcare would do that.

Is that because you can only feel that you're important when you think those around you are somehow better, therefore you must be better too?

 

[Oddball]

Some are just better (or less worse) than others. That's the whole point.

As far as I've heard, Stockholm syndrome doesn't have a "better or worse" distinction.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Some are just better (or less worse) than others. That's the whole point.

As far as I've heard, Stockholm syndrome doesn't have a "better or worse" distinction.

Sigh.

 

[Oddball]

Sigh.

SIgh all you want...Never considered the notion that overdressed and unaccountable mobsters and central control, are really not at all necessary to have a civil society, have you?

 

[whitehall]

Look again, there's no law against establishing as many political parties as you feel comfortable with. Teddy Roosevelt founded a political party. Vindictive Doug MacArthur ran as a 3rd party candidate trying to siphon votes from fellow general Ike Eisenhower. Ross Perot got Clinton elected with a 3rd party run. The Greens run a socialist almost every election and the alternate democrat party (CUSA) is usually active.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Sigh.

SIgh all you want...Never considered the notion that overdressed and unaccountable mobsters and central control, are really not at all necessary to have a civil society, have you?

I doubt you have a clue what this thread is about.