Do Republicans hate America?

[Midnight Marauder]

Let me explain how dead wrong you are. The last two years, no one was happy with Congress, but clearly people understood what was going on. The GOP was obstructing any and all progress because they wanted to run against a "do nothing" congress run by Pelosi and Reed.

Ridiculous. The Dems were the obstructionists until they regained power. Now they're simply piglets at a fast growing set of government tits.

And all last year you guys were saying,

You still don't get it. Either because you are not reading, or because you cannot comprehend what you read. Your assumption is wrong. That's where the trouble lies. And your weak little -17 rep point hit you gave me has been far outstripped by the +100 or so I have earned in this thread by sticking to the issue and not allowing your tantrums and infantile deflections to have any effect.

Please READ this post, and begin to understand what the actual problem is.

 

[frazzledgear]

Reading through many of these threads it strikes me as somewhat peculiar to see so many self-identified republicans hoping (even praying) that Obama fails miserably and that America is befallen by an economic catastrophe of never-before-seen epic proportions. Isn't the only logical conclusion that they must hate America? What other reason could they have to so desperately hope for Americans to suffer more than we've ever suffered before?

Sometimes the blatant double standard and total hypocrisy of the left takes my breath away. This is one of them.

Liberals OPENLY supported and even DEMANDED that the US deliberately lose a war -many are STILL demanding we hurry up and lose before its too late. Unless you are actually stupid enough to believe deliberately losing a war to a vicious, barbaric and murderous enemy is good for any nation or for any people -THAT is a far better example of people who really do hate this nation than your claptrap that unless we all want Obama to succeed with his political agenda, it means we "hate" this country. Liberals demanded and WANTED what they KNEW was the worst possible outcome for our own country, one this country would suffer horrible consequences for decades to come - as well as the worst possible outcome for 25 million Iraqis condemned to once again exist under the rule of whichever thug was willing to slaughter the most people in the resulting power vacuum. All because they believed that causing the nation to fail would go down as Bush's failure for starting the war. Not THEIR failure for advocating we deliberately lose it. They don't care that regardless of who sits in the White House for years to come afterwards - the nation itself would suffer for it for decades and it would re-energize our enemy like no other course of action possibly could. THAT is cold -but just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the depths liberals are willing to sink. Modern liberals would rather see the nation go down in flames, millions of people suffer the consequences for it for generations to come -as long as it means Democrats might have a greater advantage at the next election. Liberals would rather rule over a nation that is a broken shadow of its former self than see the nation flourish under their political opponents -because it is power modern liberals want over all else in the first place. Not the success of this nation. I'd rather swim with the fishes than be a liberal.

Your problem with your patently false statement is that the vast majority of conservatives love this country far more than ANY political party or ideology. A claim I would never take seriously if coming from a liberal frankly. They were the ones who insisted that their desire to see our COUNTRY fail (as opposed to the political agenda of a President) -was the highest form of "patriotism" instead of the treason it actually was.

I want my COUNTRY to succeed -always. And that comes before all politics, ideology and parties. And because I do, it means I hope Obama and his socialist agenda and intention to turn this country into yet one more imitation of a pale, tired and stagnant Europe -FAILS. That is because I also know for a fact that Obama's agenda -would be disastrous for this country. No ifs, ands or buts about it. Its the reason I didn't vote for this guy in the first place and as slim as this guy's resume was -his socialist agenda was undeniable. The fact the media failed in their job to make sure people were as fully informed about this guy as possible couldn't hide it from those intent on knowing what this man believed. Not a tough choice here for me. I can always support a President, regardless of his party -who loves and cherishes OUR system of government over any other. But Obama isn't one of them.

I love my country, love our system of government over ANY other and want what is best for the nation itself over any political ideology or party. Obama has an agenda I know for a fact would be disaster for the nation and can only increase human misery. Gee, do I really hope Obama SUCCEEDS with that agenda? Are you kidding?

What Obama never told the public what he really meant with his "hopey-changey" message -was that his "hope" for this country was to turn it into just one more dismal, stagnant nation no longer capable of making significant contributions to the world and he intended to fundamentally "change" our economic and government systems in order to do that. As like-minded people already did in Europe. The fact Obama thinks he was given a mandate to do that when he never once informed voters that was what he WOULD do -doesn't mean I have to jump on the Obamaworld bandwagon now. I couldn't vote for the guy BECAUSE of his agenda in the first place. So why on earth would I want to see Obama succeed in inflicting it on us all NOW?

 

[manifold]

Hey check it out, I even managed to pull frazzlegeek out of the woodwork. Damn I'm good!

 

[sealybobo]

Let me explain how dead wrong you are. The last two years, no one was happy with Congress, but clearly people understood what was going on. The GOP was obstructing any and all progress because they wanted to run against a "do nothing" congress run by Pelosi and Reed.

Ridiculous. The Dems were the obstructionists until they regained power. Now they're simply piglets at a fast growing set of government tits.

And all last year you guys were saying,

You still don't get it. Either because you are not reading, or because you cannot comprehend what you read. Your assumption is wrong. That's where the trouble lies. And your weak little -17 rep point hit you gave me has been far outstripped by the +100 or so I have earned in this thread by sticking to the issue and not allowing your tantrums and infantile deflections to have any effect.

Please READ this post, and begin to understand what the actual problem is.

I explained to you how and why the GOP obstructed. Please tell me how the Dems obstructed progress when Bush got everything he wanted. All the war spending, the tax breaks to the rich, deregulations, Chaney energy policy, fisa, patriot act.

How many more times did the GOP filabuster in the 2 years they were in the minority vs how many times did the Dems filabuster?

How many times did Bush veto spending bills between 2000-2006? None?

How many times did he do it once the Dems took over in 2006?

Now who obstucted who?

I can't wait to hear/see your specific examples.

How about Mr. Obstruction himself, Alberto Gonzales?

And how come he can't find a job?

 

[sealybobo]

Reading through many of these threads it strikes me as somewhat peculiar to see so many self-identified republicans hoping (even praying) that Obama fails miserably and that America is befallen by an economic catastrophe of never-before-seen epic proportions. Isn't the only logical conclusion that they must hate America? What other reason could they have to so desperately hope for Americans to suffer more than we've ever suffered before?

Sometimes the blatant double standard and total hypocrisy of the left takes my breath away. This is one of them.

Liberals OPENLY supported and even DEMANDED that the US deliberately lose a war -many are STILL demanding we hurry up and lose before its too late. Unless you are actually stupid enough to believe deliberately losing a war to a vicious, barbaric and murderous enemy is good for any nation or for any people -THAT is a far better example of people who really do hate this nation than your claptrap that unless we all want Obama to succeed with his political agenda, it means we "hate" this country. Liberals demanded and WANTED what they KNEW was the worst possible outcome for our own country, one this country would suffer horrible consequences for decades to come - as well as the worst possible outcome for 25 million Iraqis condemned to once again exist under the rule of whichever thug was willing to slaughter the most people in the resulting power vacuum. All because they believed that causing the nation to fail would go down as Bush's failure for starting the war. Not THEIR failure for advocating we deliberately lose it. They don't care that regardless of who sits in the White House for years to come afterwards - the nation itself would suffer for it for decades and it would re-energize our enemy like no other course of action possibly could. THAT is cold -but just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the depths liberals are willing to sink. Modern liberals would rather see the nation go down in flames, millions of people suffer the consequences for it for generations to come -as long as it means Democrats might have a greater advantage at the next election. Liberals would rather rule over a nation that is a broken shadow of its former self than see the nation flourish under their political opponents -because it is power modern liberals want over all else in the first place. Not the success of this nation. I'd rather swim with the fishes than be a liberal.

Your problem with your patently false statement is that the vast majority of conservatives love this country far more than ANY political party or ideology. A claim I would never take seriously if coming from a liberal frankly. They were the ones who insisted that their desire to see our COUNTRY fail (as opposed to the political agenda of a President) -was the highest form of "patriotism" instead of the treason it actually was.

I want my COUNTRY to succeed -always. And that comes before all politics, ideology and parties. And because I do, it means I hope Obama and his socialist agenda and intention to turn this country into yet one more imitation of a pale, tired and stagnant Europe -FAILS. That is because I also know for a fact that Obama's agenda -would be disastrous for this country. No ifs, ands or buts about it. Its the reason I didn't vote for this guy in the first place and as slim as this guy's resume was -his socialist agenda was undeniable. The fact the media failed in their job to make sure people were as fully informed about this guy as possible couldn't hide it from those intent on knowing what this man believed. Not a tough choice here for me. I can always support a President, regardless of his party -who loves and cherishes OUR system of government over any other. But Obama isn't one of them.

I love my country, love our system of government over ANY other and want what is best for the nation itself over any political ideology or party. Obama has an agenda I know for a fact would be disaster for the nation and can only increase human misery. Gee, do I really hope Obama SUCCEEDS with that agenda? Are you kidding?

What Obama never told the public what he really meant with his "hopey-changey" message -was that his "hope" for this country was to turn it into just one more dismal, stagnant nation no longer capable of making significant contributions to the world and he intended to fundamentally "change" our economic and government systems in order to do that. As like-minded people already did in Europe. The fact Obama thinks he was given a mandate to do that when he never once informed voters that was what he WOULD do -doesn't mean I have to jump on the Obamaworld bandwagon now. I couldn't vote for the guy BECAUSE of his agenda in the first place. So why on earth would I want to see Obama succeed in inflicting it on us all NOW?

If we would have only given you one more year in Viet Nam, you guys would have won.

And what for? Why are we in Iraq? Why are soldiers dying? We now know it is for money/oil.

But not so us Americans can get cheap oil. God no! Its so the robber barons can get richer and have more power.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Let me explain how dead wrong you are. The last two years, no one was happy with Congress, but clearly people understood what was going on. The GOP was obstructing any and all progress because they wanted to run against a "do nothing" congress run by Pelosi and Reed.

Ridiculous. The Dems were the obstructionists until they regained power. Now they're simply piglets at a fast growing set of government tits.

And all last year you guys were saying,

You still don't get it. Either because you are not reading, or because you cannot comprehend what you read. Your assumption is wrong. That's where the trouble lies. And your weak little -17 rep point hit you gave me has been far outstripped by the +100 or so I have earned in this thread by sticking to the issue and not allowing your tantrums and infantile deflections to have any effect.

Please READ this post, and begin to understand what the actual problem is.

I explained to you how and why the GOP obstructed. Please tell me how the Dems obstructed progress when Bush got everything he wanted. All the war spending, the tax breaks to the rich, deregulations, Chaney energy policy, fisa, patriot act.

How many more times did the GOP filabuster in the 2 years they were in the minority vs how many times did the Dems filabuster?

How many times did Bush veto spending bills between 2000-2006? None?

How many times did he do it once the Dems took over in 2006?

Now who obstucted who?

I can't wait to hear/see your specific examples.

How about Mr. Obstruction himself, Alberto Gonzales?

And how come he can't find a job?

Hey Gomer, you didn't explain anything. You merely regurgitated your spoonfed talking points.

Also you conveniently forget all the Democrat filibusters of Bush's judicial and cabinet nominations, their stalling on various bills, Pelosi's infamous quote, "Why should we have a plan? The plan is to defeat him. (Bush)"

As to the rest of your moronic rant, I posted the following in a different thread which I think if you read it and can comprehend, you'll see it's a pretty even view of things from a dude without partisan blinders on.

 

[Yukon]

Reading through many of these threads it strikes me as somewhat peculiar to see so many self-identified republicans hoping (even praying) that Obama fails miserably and that America is befallen by an economic catastrophe of never-before-seen epic proportions. Isn't the only logical conclusion that they must hate America? What other reason could they have to so desperately hope for Americans to suffer more than we've ever suffered before?

Republicans and Conservatives in general hate everything that is related to Liberalism. They hate it so much that they are even hoping and praying that Obama fails. Hatred is the Conservative mantra.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Reading through many of these threads it strikes me as somewhat peculiar to see so many self-identified republicans hoping (even praying) that Obama fails miserably and that America is befallen by an economic catastrophe of never-before-seen epic proportions. Isn't the only logical conclusion that they must hate America? What other reason could they have to so desperately hope for Americans to suffer more than we've ever suffered before?

Republicans and Conservatives in general hate everything that is related to Liberalism. They hate it so much that they are even hoping and praying that Obama fails. Hatred is the Conservative mantra.

More regurgitated nonsense from another shitstain, partisan hack yuk.

 

[KittenKoder]

Reading through many of these threads it strikes me as somewhat peculiar to see so many self-identified republicans hoping (even praying) that Obama fails miserably and that America is befallen by an economic catastrophe of never-before-seen epic proportions. Isn't the only logical conclusion that they must hate America? What other reason could they have to so desperately hope for Americans to suffer more than we've ever suffered before?

Republicans and Conservatives in general hate everything that is related to Liberalism. They hate it so much that they are even hoping and praying that Obama fails. Hatred is the Conservative mantra.

Liberal morons hate everything that is Republican or conservative ... what's your point?

 

[del]

Reading through many of these threads it strikes me as somewhat peculiar to see so many self-identified republicans hoping (even praying) that Obama fails miserably and that America is befallen by an economic catastrophe of never-before-seen epic proportions. Isn't the only logical conclusion that they must hate America? What other reason could they have to so desperately hope for Americans to suffer more than we've ever suffered before?

Sometimes the blatant double standard and total hypocrisy of the left takes my breath away. This is one of them.

Liberals OPENLY supported and even DEMANDED that the US deliberately lose a war -many are STILL demanding we hurry up and lose before its too late. Unless you are actually stupid enough to believe deliberately losing a war to a vicious, barbaric and murderous enemy is good for any nation or for any people -THAT is a far better example of people who really do hate this nation than your claptrap that unless we all want Obama to succeed with his political agenda, it means we "hate" this country. Liberals demanded and WANTED what they KNEW was the worst possible outcome for our own country, one this country would suffer horrible consequences for decades to come - as well as the worst possible outcome for 25 million Iraqis condemned to once again exist under the rule of whichever thug was willing to slaughter the most people in the resulting power vacuum. All because they believed that causing the nation to fail would go down as Bush's failure for starting the war. Not THEIR failure for advocating we deliberately lose it. They don't care that regardless of who sits in the White House for years to come afterwards - the nation itself would suffer for it for decades and it would re-energize our enemy like no other course of action possibly could. THAT is cold -but just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the depths liberals are willing to sink. Modern liberals would rather see the nation go down in flames, millions of people suffer the consequences for it for generations to come -as long as it means Democrats might have a greater advantage at the next election. Liberals would rather rule over a nation that is a broken shadow of its former self than see the nation flourish under their political opponents -because it is power modern liberals want over all else in the first place. Not the success of this nation. I'd rather swim with the fishes than be a liberal.

Your problem with your patently false statement is that the vast majority of conservatives love this country far more than ANY political party or ideology. A claim I would never take seriously if coming from a liberal frankly. They were the ones who insisted that their desire to see our COUNTRY fail (as opposed to the political agenda of a President) -was the highest form of "patriotism" instead of the treason it actually was.

I want my COUNTRY to succeed -always. And that comes before all politics, ideology and parties. And because I do, it means I hope Obama and his socialist agenda and intention to turn this country into yet one more imitation of a pale, tired and stagnant Europe -FAILS. That is because I also know for a fact that Obama's agenda -would be disastrous for this country. No ifs, ands or buts about it. Its the reason I didn't vote for this guy in the first place and as slim as this guy's resume was -his socialist agenda was undeniable. The fact the media failed in their job to make sure people were as fully informed about this guy as possible couldn't hide it from those intent on knowing what this man believed. Not a tough choice here for me. I can always support a President, regardless of his party -who loves and cherishes OUR system of government over any other. But Obama isn't one of them.

I love my country, love our system of government over ANY other and want what is best for the nation itself over any political ideology or party. Obama has an agenda I know for a fact would be disaster for the nation and can only increase human misery. Gee, do I really hope Obama SUCCEEDS with that agenda? Are you kidding?

What Obama never told the public what he really meant with his "hopey-changey" message -was that his "hope" for this country was to turn it into just one more dismal, stagnant nation no longer capable of making significant contributions to the world and he intended to fundamentally "change" our economic and government systems in order to do that. As like-minded people already did in Europe. The fact Obama thinks he was given a mandate to do that when he never once informed voters that was what he WOULD do -doesn't mean I have to jump on the Obamaworld bandwagon now. I couldn't vote for the guy BECAUSE of his agenda in the first place. So why on earth would I want to see Obama succeed in inflicting it on us all NOW?

If we would have only given you one more year in Viet Nam, you guys would have won.

And what for? Why are we in Iraq? Why are soldiers dying? We now know it is for money/oil.

But not so us Americans can get cheap oil. God no! Its so the robber barons can get richer and have more power.

tell it to LBJ

 

[WillowTree]

I have to agree with Bobo, here. There were many that thought the auto workers should take a pay cut and there were many here that expressed outrage over Obama saying he was going to limit the salaries of CEOs that took bailout money.

And I'm not going to bother looking for links.

wrong! all we said was you aren't competitive with Toyota,, Toyota can build a better cheaper car? that's you loss..

 

[WillowTree]

Reading through many of these threads it strikes me as somewhat peculiar to see so many self-identified republicans hoping (even praying) that Obama fails miserably and that America is befallen by an economic catastrophe of never-before-seen epic proportions. Isn't the only logical conclusion that they must hate America? What other reason could they have to so desperately hope for Americans to suffer more than we've ever suffered before?

Republicans and Conservatives in general hate everything that is related to Liberalism. They hate it so much that they are even hoping and praying that Obama fails. Hatred is the Conservative mantra.

project much weasel?

 

[frazzledgear]

What other reason could they have to so desperately hope for Americans to suffer more than we've ever suffered before?

Do you REALLY think life is harder in this country today than even 30 years ago -much less harder than at any previous time? THIS generation is "suffering" more than all previous ones and on a scale "never seen before"? What an arrogant whine from a really spoiled and very young person. You may not know this but the majority of people in this country are older than 25 or so and can clearly remember living during far worse times than exists right now. You should be grateful you didn't have to experience any of those, not even life under Carter. Millions suffered because of Carter's policies and those who suffered the worst were those at the very bottom. The very people Carter claimed his policies would benefit the most.

Unemployment is 7.2% or so -nowhere near the highest it has ever been and not predicted to get anywhere close to that level either. So do you REALLY figure there is more suffering when 92.8% are employed -or when only about 70% are? Something YOU have never even seen in your life -but others have. You haven't even experienced an unemployment rate that even approached double digits, much less combining that with double digit inflation and a 21% prime interest rate that co-existed. But doesn't now. Ever paid 23% interest on your car loan? Experienced having your income lose nearly 1/4 its purchasing power in a single year?

Compared to Carter, the economy under Bush was great. Time to face facts here because for 6 1/2 of his 8 years, the economy was better than the average of the three previous decades. For 6 1/2 of his 8 years. Which suggests that Democrats gaining control of Congress didn't work out too well for the nation after all. Let's not play ignorant about whether it was Democrats or Republicans who pressured Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to make BAD LOANS to people who couldn't pay them back -Barney Franks and Chris Dodd were instrumental in that. Which suggests that turning yet another branch of government over to Democrats doesn't bode well for the country, huh?

Obama's policies are a re-run of Carter policies -on steroids. And that means you can count on experiencing far tougher times in the near future firsthand yourself after all.

Just remember. It isn't the fact that conservatives didn't jump on Obama's bandwagon that resulted in the increase in suffering that will result. Just like it wasn't conservatives that made Carter policies fail. It was these policies themselves that conservatives told you over and over CANNOT WORK and have never worked that did it.

I'm an intelligent person. That means I don't need to make the same mistakes people made in the past in order to understand it is a mistake. I don't need to eat cyanide to understand it would be a terrible mistake. Too bad we all have to pay for the fact that people like you do.

 

[raceright]

Just remember every two years there is a possibility of new political leaning's..and the young people who elected OBAMA will be alittle older and hopefully wiser..The 7 million votes can swing very easily..
Economy economy economy its always the economy..
Do not look into others pocketts as yours will be the next viewed.
I don't care what someone else makes laborers,managers,teachers,police,Ceo's everyone tries to get the best deal they can for what they do. Personaly I believe in pay according to results just like a ball player or actor but if you make a deal where results does not matter so be it.
If you wish to limit pay for people getting Bailout money like CEO's
then other places getting part of this stimulus money should also
have there saleries fixed ,like states takeing money,there people who are paid by the states should have there saleries capped also.
Good for the goose good for the gander

 

[manifold]

Hey frazzledonkey,

I said republicans are HOPING for Americans to suffer more than ever before. I didn't say we are.

 

[frazzledgear]

Now that he's gone, no one on the right wants to own anything of Juniors.

Your side was in the Whitehouse for 8 years. You left a mess a lot worse than so called missing computer keys. You still own much of the mess we are in.

Don't worry though. When Obama cleans it up, we will let you visit the clean house.

This is where partisanship and ideology obscures the facts. Bush had help, and lots of it. It's called Congress, without whose cooperation he could have done nothing. There is a reason Congress' approval rating was abysmally lower than Bush's. The last eight years were a truly bipartisan effort.

And all last year you guys were saying, "look, congress' approval is lower than bush's", suggesting that the Dems might lose some seats.

But not one Dem encumbent lost a seat. How do you explain that? If their approval rating was so low, how come no Democrats lost?

Clearly the American people knew who to blame. All except maybe 25% retards.

Oh I guess you missed those poll results after the election. Turns out that 57.4% of Obama voters were retards -because that is the percent of Obama voters who thought Republicans controlled Congress. Which explains why in spite of Congress having even worse approval ratings than Bush, Democrats made gains. It means we all get to pay for the fact that the majority of Obama voters were irresponsible and chose to remain ignorant before exercising their right to vote.

I certainly hope you aren't silly enough to believe that Democrats made gains because people thought Congress wasn't spending anywhere near enough of our money and didn't yet have enough pork stuffed into every bill leaving Congress. Congress had a very low approval rating before and people were already very unhappy about the growth in the deficit. Oh, they will be estatic its been tripled in just six weeks after turning another branch of government over to Democrats, won't they?

Giving that leftwing kook Pelosi free reign like this when her district and constituents are so far out in left field as to be totally out of touch with the values of the average American -is not a good thing for Democrats. You seen what her approval ratings are? ROFL Because by now, even those retard Obama voters have to have caught on that its Democrats controlling Congress, not Republicans. And that it was Democrat who passed their massive wet dream spending spree and responsible for getting behind an omnibus bill with more than 8,000 earmarks in it amounting to billions MORE in pet projects and wasted spending.

 

[Yukon]

The GOP = tax cuts for the wealthy = DEBT for Americans = DEMOCRATS elected to clean up the GOP mess.

 

[del]

The GOP = tax cuts for the wealthy = DEBT for Americans = DEMOCRATS elected to clean up the GOP mess.

shouldn't you be engaged in miscegenation with an arctic vole?

 

[frazzledgear]

Hey frazzledonkey,

I said republicans are HOPING for Americans to suffer more than ever before. I didn't say we are.

Obama's policies cannot work and I don't need to see them put into action one more time to know that. I have never seen them work in this country or in any other one in spite of repeated attempts to make them work. That tells intelligent people there is no historical evidence in existence that such policies will EVER work and plenty of evidence strongly suggesting they never will work.

So between the two of us, I'm the one opposing an agenda and policies I already know has never worked, has only increased misery for millions and can only do so again -because they don't work. The very people proponents claim will benefit the most with such policies - are actually the ones who suffer the most.

And you are the one insisting that doing something that has never once worked will surely work if we do it again on an even bigger, more expensive scale. And you must believe that WISHING it would work -will magically make it work. Which is why you think anyone who doesn't support Obama's agenda and policies, in spite of the massive historical proof they do not work - are the ones who hope to see more people suffer. And you think that makes ME the moron here? Oh get real. LOL

 

[AllieBaba]

Hey frazzledonkey,

I said republicans are HOPING for Americans to suffer more than ever before. I didn't say we are.

Republicans are doing all they can do to PREVENT more suffering.

Simply identifying suffering caused by horrible economic and social policy does not constitute "hoping for Americans to suffer". What a bunch of hogwash. That's like saying the people who complained about Nazi policies were "hoping for Jews to suffer". No, they weren't. They were speaking out against bad policies.

Not the same thing, idiota.