CDZ Do Illegal Aliens Vote in US Elections?

[rightwinger]

How can they accurately check for voter fraud if they can’t check IDs?

Obviously the Democrats block Voter ID laws to enable their mass voter fraud.

Obviously the Democrats are trying to block Trump’s Voting Rights investigation because they are guilty as hell.

Easy....Jose Jimenez voted in the last election
You check his name and address and verify if he is a citizen

Yet, nobody is turning up to have illegally voted

aaaaand how do we know it is Jose Jimenez?

Verify his signature

 

[Wry Catcher]

Yes, of course they do as it benefits Democratic Party political machines to allow it, therefore they find ways of allowing it just like in the old Democrat Tammany Hall days.

For example, the state of California does not verify that those who want to vote when they get their DLs are in fact citizens.
Experts: California voter registration system 'highly susceptible' to fraud

The integrity of elections may be compromised by a lack of oversight of non-citizens registering and voting, said Hans von Spakovsky, manager of the Election Law Reform Initiative and senior legal fellow for the Institute for Constitutional Government at The Heritage Foundation.

“If you are talking about California, the state is apparently relying on the illegal alien to tell the state they shouldn’t be registered. There is still an honor system,” said von Spakovsky, co-author of the book “Who's Counting? How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk.”

The problem with California is there is no separate verification of citizenship on voter registration, said Charles Bell, Jr., a partner with California-based Bell, McAndrews & Hiltachk, LLP, a law firm that specializes in election law. Applicants can check a box affirming they are citizens, and this is not checked against any other government database such as federal immigration records.

“We have an honor system, which is effective for people who are honorable, but is also an opportunity for people who are not honorable,” Bell said. “There is a gap in the system, and we don’t have administrative folks who will be aggressive about looking into that.”

One concern, said Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies for the Washington D.C.-based Center for Immigration Studies, is that California issues driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants, allowing them to automatically be registered to vote under the federal “motor-voter” laws. Since the AB60 law went into effect in 2015, 806,000 illegal immigrants have received a license.

However, a spokesperson for the California Secretary of State countered that while state law prohibits the Department of Motor Vehicles from sharing AB 60 applicant information with the public and most state agencies, including the Secretary of State’s office, AB 60 license applicants are not afforded voter registration opportunities when visiting the DMV.

There is no driver’s license required to register to vote, and there are stiff penalties for illegally voting, the spokesman said.

Even John Podesta, former chairman of the 2016 Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, acknowledged in a leaked email that driver’s licenses do provide a loophole.

“On the picture ID, the one thing I have thought of in that space is that if you show up on Election Day with a driver’s license with a picture, attest that you are a citizen, you have a right to vote in federal elections,” Podesta wrote in a February 2015 email leaked by Wikileaks.​

Nowhere does anyone explain how California PREVENTS illegals from voting. As it was stated, it is an 'honor system', a 'do you Boy Scout swear that you are not trying to vote illegally? kind of thing.

Even the leftist lacky Snopes does not explain how illegal voting is PREVENTED, but only that it remains illegal. Well no shit Snopes, of course it is still illegal just like their fucking presence HERE is illegal.

Trump Is Right — Millions Of Illegals Probably Did Vote In 2016

But there is evidence to back Trump's claims. A 2014 study in the online Electoral Studies Journal shows that in the 2008 and 2010 elections, illegal immigrant votes were in fact quite high.

"We find that some noncitizens participate in U.S. elections, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes, and congressional elections," wrote Jesse T. Richman, Gulshan A. Chattha, both of Old Dominion University, and David C. Earnest of George Mason University.

More specifically, they write, "Noncitizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress."

Specifically, the authors say that illegals may have cast as many as 2.8 million votes in 2008 and 2010. That's a lot of votes. And when you consider the population of illegal inhabitants has only grown since then, it's not unreasonable to suppose that their vote has, too.

Critics note that a Harvard team in 2015 had responded to the study, calling it "biased." But that report included this gem: "Further, the likely percent of noncitizen voters in recent U.S. elections is 0."

Really? That's simply preposterous, frankly, as anyone who has lived in California can attest. Leftist get-out-the-vote groups openly urge noncitizens to vote during election time, and the registration process is notoriously loose. To suggest there is no illegal voting at all is absurd.

What's appalling, as we said, is not the media's skepticism, but its denial. But why? Illegal votes shouldn't be allowed to sway U.S. elections. So why tolerate them?
​

I'll take a wild guess and suggest that maybe it has something to do with letting Democrats stay in office?

"SUMMARY: California Driver's License for Undocumented Residents"
California AB-60 Driver's License | DMV.org

"As of January 2015, California residents who cannot establish legal presence in the United States may apply for a driver's license if they can show eligible proof of identification and residency in the state. These driver's licenses may not be used for identification purposes. By law, no one may discriminate against a holder of an AB-60 license, or use this license to attempt to question the holder's citizenship or immigration status."

See the link for more detail.

 

[Indeependent]

As already stated, nothing is stopping the California GOP from doing their own investigation. All you have is conspiracy theory

Umm, they dont want to have an accidental suicide?

The governors office is the authority, THEY need to investigate it and the PEOPLE of that state should do their own freaking due diligence.

But I guess they would rather talk about a bunch of communist and NFL punks than dig into what is causing their own state slide into the Abyss.

Anyone with a lick of sense knows that if you provide a mechanism for partisan shills to cheat in an election they will be all over it in a split second.

If there are 3 million illegal votes in California, they should be easy to find

Voter registrations are handled at the county level. Why don't Republican counties find all these illegals?
They have all the records

Uh...riots?

What riots?
All you have to do is check records and verify citizenship

Why can't Republicans do that if they are so sure of voter fraud!

None of the databases are connected, some voter rolls are in excel spreadsheets and it would take too much money and time to straighten out tge bullshit system that both parties gain from in one way or another.

 

[rightwinger]

As already stated, nothing is stopping the California GOP from doing their own investigation. All you have is conspiracy theory

Umm, they dont want to have an accidental suicide?

The governors office is the authority, THEY need to investigate it and the PEOPLE of that state should do their own freaking due diligence.

But I guess they would rather talk about a bunch of communist and NFL punks than dig into what is causing their own state slide into the Abyss.

Anyone with a lick of sense knows that if you provide a mechanism for partisan shills to cheat in an election they will be all over it in a split second.

If there are 3 million illegal votes in California, they should be easy to find

Voter registrations are handled at the county level. Why don't Republican counties find all these illegals?
They have all the records

Uh...riots?

What riots?
All you have to do is check records and verify citizenship

Why can't Republicans do that if they are so sure of voter fraud!

None of the databases are connected, some voter rolls are in excel spreadsheets and it would take too much money and time to straighten out tge bullshit system that both parties gain from in one way or another.

If the problem is as widespread as Republucans claim

Pull a sample of people who voted in the last election and verify their citizenship

The sample should be full of illegal voters if you are right

 

[Indeependent]

Umm, they dont want to have an accidental suicide?

The governors office is the authority, THEY need to investigate it and the PEOPLE of that state should do their own freaking due diligence.

But I guess they would rather talk about a bunch of communist and NFL punks than dig into what is causing their own state slide into the Abyss.

Anyone with a lick of sense knows that if you provide a mechanism for partisan shills to cheat in an election they will be all over it in a split second.

If there are 3 million illegal votes in California, they should be easy to find

Voter registrations are handled at the county level. Why don't Republican counties find all these illegals?
They have all the records

Uh...riots?

What riots?
All you have to do is check records and verify citizenship

Why can't Republicans do that if they are so sure of voter fraud!

None of the databases are connected, some voter rolls are in excel spreadsheets and it would take too much money and time to straighten out tge bullshit system that both parties gain from in one way or another.

If the problem is as widespread as Republucans claim

Pull a sample of people who voted in the last election and verify their citizenship

The sample should be full of illegal voters if you are right

I blame both parties for this trainwreck of a system.
When someone passes away every financial institution on Earth is alerted to lock down the assets.
The same system is not used to contact districts to remove anyone from voter rolls.

 

[rightwinger]

If there are 3 million illegal votes in California, they should be easy to find

Voter registrations are handled at the county level. Why don't Republican counties find all these illegals?
They have all the records

Uh...riots?

What riots?
All you have to do is check records and verify citizenship

Why can't Republicans do that if they are so sure of voter fraud!

None of the databases are connected, some voter rolls are in excel spreadsheets and it would take too much money and time to straighten out tge bullshit system that both parties gain from in one way or another.

If the problem is as widespread as Republucans claim

Pull a sample of people who voted in the last election and verify their citizenship

The sample should be full of illegal voters if you are right

I blame both parties for this trainwreck of a system.
When someone passes away every financial institution on Earth is alerted to lock down the assets.
The same system is not used to contact districts to remove anyone from voter rolls.

Costs money to clean the voter files. People move and people die

We would rather waste our money hunting imaginary illegal Mexicans voting

 

[JimBowie1958]

I blame both parties for this trainwreck of a system.
When someone passes away every financial institution on Earth is alerted to lock down the assets.
The same system is not used to contact districts to remove anyone from voter rolls.

Of course not, as some, like my Uncle Ben, were such strong Democrats that they voted Democrat for years after they were buried.

You just cant keep a good man down they say.

 

[JimBowie1958]

"SUMMARY: California Driver's License for Undocumented Residents"
California AB-60 Driver's License | DMV.org

"As of January 2015, California residents who cannot establish legal presence in the United States may apply for a driver's license if they can show eligible proof of identification and residency in the state. These driver's licenses may not be used for identification purposes. By law, no one may discriminate against a holder of an AB-60 license, or use this license to attempt to question the holder's citizenship or immigration status."

See the link for more detail.

What is so funny is that the same nations laws also say that THESE ILLEGALS SHOULD NOT BE HERE, BUT THEY ARE ANYWAY, huh?

Obviously making a law that is not enforced is hardly more than pissing in the wind, dude.

 

[Wry Catcher]

"SUMMARY: California Driver's License for Undocumented Residents"
California AB-60 Driver's License | DMV.org

"As of January 2015, California residents who cannot establish legal presence in the United States may apply for a driver's license if they can show eligible proof of identification and residency in the state. These driver's licenses may not be used for identification purposes. By law, no one may discriminate against a holder of an AB-60 license, or use this license to attempt to question the holder's citizenship or immigration status."

See the link for more detail.

What is so funny is that the same nations laws also say that THESE ILLEGALS SHOULD NOT BE HERE, BUT THEY ARE ANYWAY, huh?

Obviously making a law that is not enforced is hardly more than pissing in the wind, dude.

Dude, why not admit the Republican Party is the party of the small tent? A political party whose not so well hidden agenda is to deny anyone to vote who is not a WASP, a male, conservative and owns property.

You and others on your side of the aisle do not believe in democracy, and for over a decade have used the pretense we are a Constitutional Republic and not a Democratic Republic, a meme which defies reason.

CA licenses the undocumented, but the license itself cannot be used to register to vote. Of course it is a nice spin for those who want to suppress the vote, and pretend that Donald Trump got 3 million votes from non citizens.

 

[rightwinger]

Up to five million Russians voted for Trump in the last election

 

[Wry Catcher]

Up to five million Russians voted for Trump in the last election

Over the Internets, I can smell Borscht on their breath.

 

[Humorme]

Yes, of course they do as it benefits Democratic Party political machines to allow it, therefore they find ways of allowing it just like in the old Democrat Tammany Hall days.

For example, the state of California does not verify that those who want to vote when they get their DLs are in fact citizens.
Experts: California voter registration system 'highly susceptible' to fraud

The integrity of elections may be compromised by a lack of oversight of non-citizens registering and voting, said Hans von Spakovsky, manager of the Election Law Reform Initiative and senior legal fellow for the Institute for Constitutional Government at The Heritage Foundation.

“If you are talking about California, the state is apparently relying on the illegal alien to tell the state they shouldn’t be registered. There is still an honor system,” said von Spakovsky, co-author of the book “Who's Counting? How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk.”

The problem with California is there is no separate verification of citizenship on voter registration, said Charles Bell, Jr., a partner with California-based Bell, McAndrews & Hiltachk, LLP, a law firm that specializes in election law. Applicants can check a box affirming they are citizens, and this is not checked against any other government database such as federal immigration records.

“We have an honor system, which is effective for people who are honorable, but is also an opportunity for people who are not honorable,” Bell said. “There is a gap in the system, and we don’t have administrative folks who will be aggressive about looking into that.”

One concern, said Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies for the Washington D.C.-based Center for Immigration Studies, is that California issues driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants, allowing them to automatically be registered to vote under the federal “motor-voter” laws. Since the AB60 law went into effect in 2015, 806,000 illegal immigrants have received a license.

However, a spokesperson for the California Secretary of State countered that while state law prohibits the Department of Motor Vehicles from sharing AB 60 applicant information with the public and most state agencies, including the Secretary of State’s office, AB 60 license applicants are not afforded voter registration opportunities when visiting the DMV.

There is no driver’s license required to register to vote, and there are stiff penalties for illegally voting, the spokesman said.

Even John Podesta, former chairman of the 2016 Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, acknowledged in a leaked email that driver’s licenses do provide a loophole.

“On the picture ID, the one thing I have thought of in that space is that if you show up on Election Day with a driver’s license with a picture, attest that you are a citizen, you have a right to vote in federal elections,” Podesta wrote in a February 2015 email leaked by Wikileaks.​

Nowhere does anyone explain how California PREVENTS illegals from voting. As it was stated, it is an 'honor system', a 'do you Boy Scout swear that you are not trying to vote illegally? kind of thing.

Even the leftist lacky Snopes does not explain how illegal voting is PREVENTED, but only that it remains illegal. Well no shit Snopes, of course it is still illegal just like their fucking presence HERE is illegal.

Trump Is Right — Millions Of Illegals Probably Did Vote In 2016

But there is evidence to back Trump's claims. A 2014 study in the online Electoral Studies Journal shows that in the 2008 and 2010 elections, illegal immigrant votes were in fact quite high.

"We find that some noncitizens participate in U.S. elections, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes, and congressional elections," wrote Jesse T. Richman, Gulshan A. Chattha, both of Old Dominion University, and David C. Earnest of George Mason University.

More specifically, they write, "Noncitizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress."

Specifically, the authors say that illegals may have cast as many as 2.8 million votes in 2008 and 2010. That's a lot of votes. And when you consider the population of illegal inhabitants has only grown since then, it's not unreasonable to suppose that their vote has, too.

Critics note that a Harvard team in 2015 had responded to the study, calling it "biased." But that report included this gem: "Further, the likely percent of noncitizen voters in recent U.S. elections is 0."

Really? That's simply preposterous, frankly, as anyone who has lived in California can attest. Leftist get-out-the-vote groups openly urge noncitizens to vote during election time, and the registration process is notoriously loose. To suggest there is no illegal voting at all is absurd.

What's appalling, as we said, is not the media's skepticism, but its denial. But why? Illegal votes shouldn't be allowed to sway U.S. elections. So why tolerate them?
​

I'll take a wild guess and suggest that maybe it has something to do with letting Democrats stay in office?

Before I read any responses, you posed a rhetorical question and then answer your own question without any facts.

About the only "fact" you present is that a loophole (sic) exists. And here's the problem I have with that:

There are loopholes (sic) that allow people to build a bomb in their homes. The problem is, unscrupulous cops can allege that innocent people are guilty of criminal activity simply because a cop can make it look like you are going to make a bomb. Case in point:

Some militia members in Georgia were sentenced to prison for having that material to build bombs. They had pipes, fittings, etc. because they were plumbers. They had gun powder, primers, etc. because they did reloading and cans of gasoline at home to run their equipment with. But, a "loophole" exists that allows you to obtain all of that and have a perfectly legitimate reason for having it.

IF you can provide data that a problem exists, you should have opened with it. That an alleged loophole exists is just a pretext to expand the size, power, and scope of government.

Their logic is that since something CAN be done, that means it IS being done

I have not seen any proof of what you're talking about. Feel free to provide it, however.

What the Tea Party Republicans are accomplishing is to dig their own graves with a totalitarian government that the globalists are going to enjoy. They're screwing themselves out of their own Rights.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Yes, of course they do as it benefits Democratic Party political machines to allow it, therefore they find ways of allowing it just like in the old Democrat Tammany Hall days.

For example, the state of California does not verify that those who want to vote when they get their DLs are in fact citizens.
Experts: California voter registration system 'highly susceptible' to fraud

The integrity of elections may be compromised by a lack of oversight of non-citizens registering and voting, said Hans von Spakovsky, manager of the Election Law Reform Initiative and senior legal fellow for the Institute for Constitutional Government at The Heritage Foundation.

“If you are talking about California, the state is apparently relying on the illegal alien to tell the state they shouldn’t be registered. There is still an honor system,” said von Spakovsky, co-author of the book “Who's Counting? How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk.”

The problem with California is there is no separate verification of citizenship on voter registration, said Charles Bell, Jr., a partner with California-based Bell, McAndrews & Hiltachk, LLP, a law firm that specializes in election law. Applicants can check a box affirming they are citizens, and this is not checked against any other government database such as federal immigration records.

“We have an honor system, which is effective for people who are honorable, but is also an opportunity for people who are not honorable,” Bell said. “There is a gap in the system, and we don’t have administrative folks who will be aggressive about looking into that.”

One concern, said Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies for the Washington D.C.-based Center for Immigration Studies, is that California issues driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants, allowing them to automatically be registered to vote under the federal “motor-voter” laws. Since the AB60 law went into effect in 2015, 806,000 illegal immigrants have received a license.

However, a spokesperson for the California Secretary of State countered that while state law prohibits the Department of Motor Vehicles from sharing AB 60 applicant information with the public and most state agencies, including the Secretary of State’s office, AB 60 license applicants are not afforded voter registration opportunities when visiting the DMV.

There is no driver’s license required to register to vote, and there are stiff penalties for illegally voting, the spokesman said.

Even John Podesta, former chairman of the 2016 Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, acknowledged in a leaked email that driver’s licenses do provide a loophole.

“On the picture ID, the one thing I have thought of in that space is that if you show up on Election Day with a driver’s license with a picture, attest that you are a citizen, you have a right to vote in federal elections,” Podesta wrote in a February 2015 email leaked by Wikileaks.​

Nowhere does anyone explain how California PREVENTS illegals from voting. As it was stated, it is an 'honor system', a 'do you Boy Scout swear that you are not trying to vote illegally? kind of thing.

Even the leftist lacky Snopes does not explain how illegal voting is PREVENTED, but only that it remains illegal. Well no shit Snopes, of course it is still illegal just like their fucking presence HERE is illegal.

Trump Is Right — Millions Of Illegals Probably Did Vote In 2016

But there is evidence to back Trump's claims. A 2014 study in the online Electoral Studies Journal shows that in the 2008 and 2010 elections, illegal immigrant votes were in fact quite high.

"We find that some noncitizens participate in U.S. elections, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes, and congressional elections," wrote Jesse T. Richman, Gulshan A. Chattha, both of Old Dominion University, and David C. Earnest of George Mason University.

More specifically, they write, "Noncitizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress."

Specifically, the authors say that illegals may have cast as many as 2.8 million votes in 2008 and 2010. That's a lot of votes. And when you consider the population of illegal inhabitants has only grown since then, it's not unreasonable to suppose that their vote has, too.

Critics note that a Harvard team in 2015 had responded to the study, calling it "biased." But that report included this gem: "Further, the likely percent of noncitizen voters in recent U.S. elections is 0."

Really? That's simply preposterous, frankly, as anyone who has lived in California can attest. Leftist get-out-the-vote groups openly urge noncitizens to vote during election time, and the registration process is notoriously loose. To suggest there is no illegal voting at all is absurd.

What's appalling, as we said, is not the media's skepticism, but its denial. But why? Illegal votes shouldn't be allowed to sway U.S. elections. So why tolerate them?
​

I'll take a wild guess and suggest that maybe it has something to do with letting Democrats stay in office?

Before I read any responses, you posed a rhetorical question and then answer your own question without any facts.

About the only "fact" you present is that a loophole (sic) exists. And here's the problem I have with that:

There are loopholes (sic) that allow people to build a bomb in their homes. The problem is, unscrupulous cops can allege that innocent people are guilty of criminal activity simply because a cop can make it look like you are going to make a bomb. Case in point:

Some militia members in Georgia were sentenced to prison for having that material to build bombs. They had pipes, fittings, etc. because they were plumbers. They had gun powder, primers, etc. because they did reloading and cans of gasoline at home to run their equipment with. But, a "loophole" exists that allows you to obtain all of that and have a perfectly legitimate reason for having it.

IF you can provide data that a problem exists, you should have opened with it. That an alleged loophole exists is just a pretext to expand the size, power, and scope of government.

Their logic is that since something CAN be done, that means it IS being done

I have not seen any proof of what you're talking about. Feel free to provide it, however.

What the Tea Party Republicans are accomplishing is to dig their own graves with a totalitarian government that the globalists are going to enjoy. They're screwing themselves out of their own Rights.

The Freedom Caucus has tossed the Tea Party under the bus.

 

[rightwinger]

Yes, of course they do as it benefits Democratic Party political machines to allow it, therefore they find ways of allowing it just like in the old Democrat Tammany Hall days.

For example, the state of California does not verify that those who want to vote when they get their DLs are in fact citizens.
Experts: California voter registration system 'highly susceptible' to fraud

The integrity of elections may be compromised by a lack of oversight of non-citizens registering and voting, said Hans von Spakovsky, manager of the Election Law Reform Initiative and senior legal fellow for the Institute for Constitutional Government at The Heritage Foundation.

“If you are talking about California, the state is apparently relying on the illegal alien to tell the state they shouldn’t be registered. There is still an honor system,” said von Spakovsky, co-author of the book “Who's Counting? How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk.”

The problem with California is there is no separate verification of citizenship on voter registration, said Charles Bell, Jr., a partner with California-based Bell, McAndrews & Hiltachk, LLP, a law firm that specializes in election law. Applicants can check a box affirming they are citizens, and this is not checked against any other government database such as federal immigration records.

“We have an honor system, which is effective for people who are honorable, but is also an opportunity for people who are not honorable,” Bell said. “There is a gap in the system, and we don’t have administrative folks who will be aggressive about looking into that.”

One concern, said Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies for the Washington D.C.-based Center for Immigration Studies, is that California issues driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants, allowing them to automatically be registered to vote under the federal “motor-voter” laws. Since the AB60 law went into effect in 2015, 806,000 illegal immigrants have received a license.

However, a spokesperson for the California Secretary of State countered that while state law prohibits the Department of Motor Vehicles from sharing AB 60 applicant information with the public and most state agencies, including the Secretary of State’s office, AB 60 license applicants are not afforded voter registration opportunities when visiting the DMV.

There is no driver’s license required to register to vote, and there are stiff penalties for illegally voting, the spokesman said.

Even John Podesta, former chairman of the 2016 Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, acknowledged in a leaked email that driver’s licenses do provide a loophole.

“On the picture ID, the one thing I have thought of in that space is that if you show up on Election Day with a driver’s license with a picture, attest that you are a citizen, you have a right to vote in federal elections,” Podesta wrote in a February 2015 email leaked by Wikileaks.​

Nowhere does anyone explain how California PREVENTS illegals from voting. As it was stated, it is an 'honor system', a 'do you Boy Scout swear that you are not trying to vote illegally? kind of thing.

Even the leftist lacky Snopes does not explain how illegal voting is PREVENTED, but only that it remains illegal. Well no shit Snopes, of course it is still illegal just like their fucking presence HERE is illegal.

Trump Is Right — Millions Of Illegals Probably Did Vote In 2016

But there is evidence to back Trump's claims. A 2014 study in the online Electoral Studies Journal shows that in the 2008 and 2010 elections, illegal immigrant votes were in fact quite high.

"We find that some noncitizens participate in U.S. elections, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes, and congressional elections," wrote Jesse T. Richman, Gulshan A. Chattha, both of Old Dominion University, and David C. Earnest of George Mason University.

More specifically, they write, "Noncitizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress."

Specifically, the authors say that illegals may have cast as many as 2.8 million votes in 2008 and 2010. That's a lot of votes. And when you consider the population of illegal inhabitants has only grown since then, it's not unreasonable to suppose that their vote has, too.

Critics note that a Harvard team in 2015 had responded to the study, calling it "biased." But that report included this gem: "Further, the likely percent of noncitizen voters in recent U.S. elections is 0."

Really? That's simply preposterous, frankly, as anyone who has lived in California can attest. Leftist get-out-the-vote groups openly urge noncitizens to vote during election time, and the registration process is notoriously loose. To suggest there is no illegal voting at all is absurd.

What's appalling, as we said, is not the media's skepticism, but its denial. But why? Illegal votes shouldn't be allowed to sway U.S. elections. So why tolerate them?
​

I'll take a wild guess and suggest that maybe it has something to do with letting Democrats stay in office?

Before I read any responses, you posed a rhetorical question and then answer your own question without any facts.

About the only "fact" you present is that a loophole (sic) exists. And here's the problem I have with that:

There are loopholes (sic) that allow people to build a bomb in their homes. The problem is, unscrupulous cops can allege that innocent people are guilty of criminal activity simply because a cop can make it look like you are going to make a bomb. Case in point:

Some militia members in Georgia were sentenced to prison for having that material to build bombs. They had pipes, fittings, etc. because they were plumbers. They had gun powder, primers, etc. because they did reloading and cans of gasoline at home to run their equipment with. But, a "loophole" exists that allows you to obtain all of that and have a perfectly legitimate reason for having it.

IF you can provide data that a problem exists, you should have opened with it. That an alleged loophole exists is just a pretext to expand the size, power, and scope of government.

Their logic is that since something CAN be done, that means it IS being done

I have not seen any proof of what you're talking about. Feel free to provide it, however.

What the Tea Party Republicans are accomplishing is to dig their own graves with a totalitarian government that the globalists are going to enjoy. They're screwing themselves out of their own Rights.

The Freedom Caucus has tossed the Tea Party under the bus.

The Teatards are no longer needed

Time to slash taxes and run up the debt

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Obviously the Democrats block Voter ID laws to enable their mass voter fraud.

Obviously the Dirty Democrats are trying to block Trump’s Voting Rights investigation because they are guilty as hell.

 

[Humorme]

Yes, of course they do as it benefits Democratic Party political machines to allow it, therefore they find ways of allowing it just like in the old Democrat Tammany Hall days.

For example, the state of California does not verify that those who want to vote when they get their DLs are in fact citizens.
Experts: California voter registration system 'highly susceptible' to fraud

The integrity of elections may be compromised by a lack of oversight of non-citizens registering and voting, said Hans von Spakovsky, manager of the Election Law Reform Initiative and senior legal fellow for the Institute for Constitutional Government at The Heritage Foundation.

“If you are talking about California, the state is apparently relying on the illegal alien to tell the state they shouldn’t be registered. There is still an honor system,” said von Spakovsky, co-author of the book “Who's Counting? How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk.”

The problem with California is there is no separate verification of citizenship on voter registration, said Charles Bell, Jr., a partner with California-based Bell, McAndrews & Hiltachk, LLP, a law firm that specializes in election law. Applicants can check a box affirming they are citizens, and this is not checked against any other government database such as federal immigration records.

“We have an honor system, which is effective for people who are honorable, but is also an opportunity for people who are not honorable,” Bell said. “There is a gap in the system, and we don’t have administrative folks who will be aggressive about looking into that.”

One concern, said Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies for the Washington D.C.-based Center for Immigration Studies, is that California issues driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants, allowing them to automatically be registered to vote under the federal “motor-voter” laws. Since the AB60 law went into effect in 2015, 806,000 illegal immigrants have received a license.

However, a spokesperson for the California Secretary of State countered that while state law prohibits the Department of Motor Vehicles from sharing AB 60 applicant information with the public and most state agencies, including the Secretary of State’s office, AB 60 license applicants are not afforded voter registration opportunities when visiting the DMV.

There is no driver’s license required to register to vote, and there are stiff penalties for illegally voting, the spokesman said.

Even John Podesta, former chairman of the 2016 Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, acknowledged in a leaked email that driver’s licenses do provide a loophole.

“On the picture ID, the one thing I have thought of in that space is that if you show up on Election Day with a driver’s license with a picture, attest that you are a citizen, you have a right to vote in federal elections,” Podesta wrote in a February 2015 email leaked by Wikileaks.​

Nowhere does anyone explain how California PREVENTS illegals from voting. As it was stated, it is an 'honor system', a 'do you Boy Scout swear that you are not trying to vote illegally? kind of thing.

Even the leftist lacky Snopes does not explain how illegal voting is PREVENTED, but only that it remains illegal. Well no shit Snopes, of course it is still illegal just like their fucking presence HERE is illegal.

Trump Is Right — Millions Of Illegals Probably Did Vote In 2016

But there is evidence to back Trump's claims. A 2014 study in the online Electoral Studies Journal shows that in the 2008 and 2010 elections, illegal immigrant votes were in fact quite high.

"We find that some noncitizens participate in U.S. elections, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes, and congressional elections," wrote Jesse T. Richman, Gulshan A. Chattha, both of Old Dominion University, and David C. Earnest of George Mason University.

More specifically, they write, "Noncitizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress."

Specifically, the authors say that illegals may have cast as many as 2.8 million votes in 2008 and 2010. That's a lot of votes. And when you consider the population of illegal inhabitants has only grown since then, it's not unreasonable to suppose that their vote has, too.

Critics note that a Harvard team in 2015 had responded to the study, calling it "biased." But that report included this gem: "Further, the likely percent of noncitizen voters in recent U.S. elections is 0."

Really? That's simply preposterous, frankly, as anyone who has lived in California can attest. Leftist get-out-the-vote groups openly urge noncitizens to vote during election time, and the registration process is notoriously loose. To suggest there is no illegal voting at all is absurd.

What's appalling, as we said, is not the media's skepticism, but its denial. But why? Illegal votes shouldn't be allowed to sway U.S. elections. So why tolerate them?
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I'll take a wild guess and suggest that maybe it has something to do with letting Democrats stay in office?

Before I read any responses, you posed a rhetorical question and then answer your own question without any facts.

About the only "fact" you present is that a loophole (sic) exists. And here's the problem I have with that:

There are loopholes (sic) that allow people to build a bomb in their homes. The problem is, unscrupulous cops can allege that innocent people are guilty of criminal activity simply because a cop can make it look like you are going to make a bomb. Case in point:

Some militia members in Georgia were sentenced to prison for having that material to build bombs. They had pipes, fittings, etc. because they were plumbers. They had gun powder, primers, etc. because they did reloading and cans of gasoline at home to run their equipment with. But, a "loophole" exists that allows you to obtain all of that and have a perfectly legitimate reason for having it.

IF you can provide data that a problem exists, you should have opened with it. That an alleged loophole exists is just a pretext to expand the size, power, and scope of government.

Their logic is that since something CAN be done, that means it IS being done

I have not seen any proof of what you're talking about. Feel free to provide it, however.

What the Tea Party Republicans are accomplishing is to dig their own graves with a totalitarian government that the globalists are going to enjoy. They're screwing themselves out of their own Rights.

The Freedom Caucus has tossed the Tea Party under the bus.

The names of the organizations keep changing; the goals and objectives are basically the same. In any event, a lot of Rights are being flushed down the toilet by groups that don't understand the principles upon which the Republic rests.

 

[Humorme]

Obviously the Democrats block Voter ID laws to enable their mass voter fraud.

Obviously the Dirty Democrats are trying to block Trump’s Voting Rights investigation because they are guilty as hell.

You're after the wrong solution.

Early in American history, only land owners had the privilege of voting. If some guy is going to take money out of your pocket, he'll probably be on welfare, food stamps, faked disability, etc. and your Hitler style National ID cannot fix that.

 

[rightwinger]

Obviously the Democrats block Voter ID laws to enable their mass voter fraud.

Obviously the Dirty Democrats are trying to block Trump’s Voting Rights investigation because they are guilty as hell.

Yet you struggle to find even single examples of voting fraud

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Obviously the Democrats block Voter ID laws to enable their mass voter fraud.

Obviously the Dirty Democrats are trying to block Trump’s Voting Rights investigation because they are guilty as hell.

You're after the wrong solution.

Early in American history, only land owners had the privilege of voting. If some guy is going to take money out of your pocket, he'll probably be on welfare, food stamps, faked disability, etc. and your Hitler style National ID cannot fix that.

Most Democrats are against Voting Rights because they are racist axxholes.
That is why they are block Voter ID laws that protect everyone's Right to Vote.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Obviously the Democrats block Voter ID laws to enable their mass voter fraud.

Obviously the Dirty Democrats are trying to block Trump’s Voting Rights investigation because they are guilty as hell.

Yet you struggle to find even single examples of voting fraud

Pew Research Center: 1.8 Million Dead people on Voter Rolls, 24 million Invalid or Inaccurate Voter Registrations, 2.75 Million Registered in Multiple States