Do Federal/State/Local Governments Create Jobs?

[The Rabbi]

They didnt create a single job.
Instead 22M Americans who would otherwise be working in the private sector building this country's wealth were hired by the gov't, where they subsist on the wealth of others.

22 million employees performing valid functions serving the country. Teachers, cops, firemen, soldiers, doctors, lawyers, accountants, engineers, scientists......

Move those goalposts!

Not only are there 22 million directly employed by the government, but all Defense industry jobs are created by the government as well as millions of construction jobs building and maintaining roads, bridges, dams, schools, government buildings, airports and countless other projects

Yo bet the government creates jobs

Nope, not a single one. They rob jobs from other employers.

Not even close...the government performs vital functions. Many of which the private sector benefits from immensely

Deflection is also not a river in Egypt.

 

[RKMBrown]

Do those corporations that get government contracts fall under your guide line.
Government money, you know.

Currently, 22 million Americans are employed at the local, state and federal level.

Yes, the Government creates a hell of a lot of jobs

They didnt create a single job.
Instead 22M Americans who would otherwise be working in the private sector building this country's wealth were hired by the gov't, where they subsist on the wealth of others.

22 million employees performing valid functions serving the country. Teachers, cops, firemen, soldiers, doctors, lawyers, accountants, engineers, scientists......

All employees of the taxpayers.

Indirectly yes. When you provide a service to a customer you are essentially working for your customer. Even though you are officially an employee of the corporation, the customer is the person that provides the funds that pays your salary. Any good corporation will tell it's employees that "we work for our customers."

We, the tax payers are essentially the customers that these employees work for.

 

[rightwinger]

22 million employees performing valid functions serving the country. Teachers, cops, firemen, soldiers, doctors, lawyers, accountants, engineers, scientists......

Move those goalposts!

Not only are there 22 million directly employed by the government, but all Defense industry jobs are created by the government as well as millions of construction jobs building and maintaining roads, bridges, dams, schools, government buildings, airports and countless other projects

Yo bet the government creates jobs

Nope, not a single one. They rob jobs from other employers.

Not even close...the government performs vital functions. Many of which the private sector benefits from immensely

Deflection is also not a river in Egypt.

Your living in a fantasy world is not a defense

Government is essential to any society, the private sector benefits from government and in many ways controls it, the government creates jobs both within and from the government

 

[RKMBrown]

Move those goalposts!

Not only are there 22 million directly employed by the government, but all Defense industry jobs are created by the government as well as millions of construction jobs building and maintaining roads, bridges, dams, schools, government buildings, airports and countless other projects

Yo bet the government creates jobs

Nope, not a single one. They rob jobs from other employers.

Not even close...the government performs vital functions. Many of which the private sector benefits from immensely

Deflection is also not a river in Egypt.

Your living in a fantasy world is not a defense

Government is essential to any society, the private sector benefits from government and in many ways controls it, the government creates jobs both within and from the government

No. Government is not essential. Government is at best useful and at worst a detriment to all life on earth.

The private sector only benefits from government on occasion, usually government is a waste of our hard earned money.

The government employees who manage people who provide services to the taxpayers are merely middle men. These government employees work for taxpayers and take the part of the middle man in the spending of taxpayer funds.

 

[Flash]

Deflection is also not a river in Egypt.

I am getting tired of trying to teach a bunch of stupid Moon Bats about basic economics.

How about you?

Of course these are the same nitwits that thought Obama was going to do a good job so I think that pretty well says all that needs to be said about much of a dumbass they are.

 

[whitehall]

I've heard many GOPers say they don't. However, I feel strongly that they do. All one has to do is think about it for a minute and the answer should become obvious. However, the biggest job creators are consumers with money to spend.

Of Course the Government Can Create Jobs - Forbes

GOVERNMENT DOESN’T CREATE JOBS?!?!?!? SINCE WHEN???

Sure government creates jobs. The problem is that the jobs that government creates do not grow the economy. Even if you grew up in a cave somewhere and were educated by union based (quasi-socialist) education system you still should be able to understand that government jobs are funded by the taxpayers. Regardless of how much paper government workers push around it's a cold hard fact that neither federal, state or local government ever actually made a dime that wasn't confiscated from taxpayers.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You only need so many employees to build a fighter jet, but if you don't build that plane, nobody gets a job building that plane.

But if the taxes are not collected to pay for the jet because the airplane was not needed then other jobs would have been funded in the private sector with the money.

The government didn't create a single job. They just transfer the jobs from the private sector to the government sector.

You really don't understand economics, do you?

No wonder Moon Bats elect dickheads like Obama. They are sorely lacking in the education to make a ration decision at the polls.

Then the private sector doesn't create jobs. The private sector just transfers the money to pay for a job from somewhere else, thus preventing that money from being used somewhere else.

You really are retarded.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Deflection is also not a river in Egypt.

I am getting tired of trying to teach a bunch of stupid Moon Bats about basic economics.

How about you?

Of course these are the same nitwits that thought Obama was going to do a good job so I think that pretty well says all that needs to be said about much of a dumbass they are.

If a public school adds a teacher, and a private school adds a teacher, you're trying to tell us that the private school created a job but the public school didn't.

That is ******* daft.

 

[Flash]

If a public school adds a teacher, and a private school adds a teacher, you're trying to tell us that the private school created a job but the public school didn't.

That is ******* daft.

You are being a dumbass again.

In order for the public school to pay the teacher they must take money from someone that already earned the money, depriving that taxpayer of spending the money how he chooses. Nothing is created, only exchanged.

If a person decides to start a private school then he is creating a business and the people have the choice of using it or not. They will only use it if they want to. It will be their choice, hence the creation.

Do you understand the difference?

It is the Broken Window Fallacy, which I referenced to earlier. it is comparing the seen to the unseen. Go back and look at the video again if you have the intelligence to understand.

You are like the idiots in the video that says the town would have all kinds of employment opportunities if all the window in the town were broken. Prosperity for all, correct? How about the people that weren't in the window repair business? How are they going to get work when everybody's money has to go window repair?

We are not talking about actual employment but what is really created. That difference seems to escape you.

To carry it to the extreme then why have private jobs at all? Why not full blown communism where everybody works for the state? That worked out really well in the Soviet Union, North Korea and Cuba, didn't it?

I am through trying to explain basic economics to a stupid Moon Bat that has absolutely no understanding of economics principles.

 

[TooTall]

Go to a post office.

and?......

And observe. Forms are all filled out by hand, 15 boxes to Guam means you filling out all 15 to the same place. By hand. Long lines because they are on mandated breaks. All the time in the world to complete transactions. But that's just an example, most government agencies work that way, including the VA.

the PO i worked at didnt operate that way.....but maybe the wealthier areas are different than the lower class places....

Sorry but ALL post offices work that way. There is no provision to use computers to print out shipping labels, like UPS or FedEx. It's all done in the antiquated way. and I've been in line at post offices in many places.

sure they are.....like i said the one i worked out of kept up with the Jones....but then they had wealthy customers and generated a lot of money....and if your PO doesnt have the new stuff....blame Congress for not letting them modernize....

One time after waiting in line to mail a parcel and noticing it took a long time on the guy just in front of me I guess the clerk noticed my irritation when I got there when I asked him what took so long. He very politely told me that he did everything that was required for every customer as quickly as he knew how, so there was no mistake and he did it for every customer one at a time. And, he was weighing, stamping and processing my parcel while he was telling me this. I felt stupid.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I've heard many GOPers say they don't. However, I feel strongly that they do. All one has to do is think about it for a minute and the answer should become obvious. However, the biggest job creators are consumers with money to spend.

Of Course the Government Can Create Jobs - Forbes

GOVERNMENT DOESN’T CREATE JOBS?!?!?!? SINCE WHEN???

No, govt doesn't create jobs. That you are this ignorant is profound and embarrassing.

 

[Lakhota]

Gee, I wonder how many jobs the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA) is responsible for creating...

The U.S. Small Business Administration SBA.gov

 

[RKMBrown]

Gee, I wonder how many jobs the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA) is responsible for creating...

The U.S. Small Business Administration SBA.gov

Zero. They get their funding from taxpayers.

 

[Lakhota]

The U.S. federal government started the Internet. How many jobs has that created?

The U.S. Government's Advanced Research Projects Agency essentially created and funded the Internet, originally known as ARPANET. Once the platform was built, the inventors and entrepreneurs got involved, and, in the following decades, literally millions of jobs have been created worldwide. Suddenly, there was the World Wide Web, and then came Amazon, eBay, Yahoo!, Google, Cisco, Vonage, Facebook, Dell's revolutionary business model, modems, netbooks, and countless other hardware and software solutions. Anyone working at one of those companies who believes that the government doesn't create jobs doesn't understand why he or she has a job.

Link

 

[RKMBrown]

The U.S. federal government started the Internet. How many jobs has that created?

The U.S. Government's Advanced Research Projects Agency essentially created and funded the Internet, originally known as ARPANET. Once the platform was built, the inventors and entrepreneurs got involved, and, in the following decades, literally millions of jobs have been created worldwide. Suddenly, there was the World Wide Web, and then came Amazon, eBay, Yahoo!, Google, Cisco, Vonage, Facebook, Dell's revolutionary business model, modems, netbooks, and countless other hardware and software solutions. Anyone working at one of those companies who believes that the government doesn't create jobs doesn't understand why he or she has a job.

Link

Wrong. What a dumb ass.

 

[Lakhota]

Gee, I wonder how many jobs the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA) is responsible for creating...

The U.S. Small Business Administration SBA.gov

Zero. They get their funding from taxpayers.

Are you really that ******* dumb?

 

[RKMBrown]

Gee, I wonder how many jobs the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA) is responsible for creating...

The U.S. Small Business Administration SBA.gov

Zero. They get their funding from taxpayers.

Are you really that ******* dumb?

My IQ is well over twice yours. You.. you're just a dumb ass and everyone knows it.

 

[Lakhota]

The U.S. federal government started the Internet. How many jobs has that created?

The U.S. Government's Advanced Research Projects Agency essentially created and funded the Internet, originally known as ARPANET. Once the platform was built, the inventors and entrepreneurs got involved, and, in the following decades, literally millions of jobs have been created worldwide. Suddenly, there was the World Wide Web, and then came Amazon, eBay, Yahoo!, Google, Cisco, Vonage, Facebook, Dell's revolutionary business model, modems, netbooks, and countless other hardware and software solutions. Anyone working at one of those companies who believes that the government doesn't create jobs doesn't understand why he or she has a job.

Link

Wrong. What a dumb ass.

Prove it's wrong with "credible" sources.

 

[rightwinger]

Not only are there 22 million directly employed by the government, but all Defense industry jobs are created by the government as well as millions of construction jobs building and maintaining roads, bridges, dams, schools, government buildings, airports and countless other projects

Yo bet the government creates jobs

Nope, not a single one. They rob jobs from other employers.

Not even close...the government performs vital functions. Many of which the private sector benefits from immensely

Deflection is also not a river in Egypt.

Your living in a fantasy world is not a defense

Government is essential to any society, the private sector benefits from government and in many ways controls it, the government creates jobs both within and from the government

No. Government is not essential. Government is at best useful and at worst a detriment to all life on earth.

The private sector only benefits from government on occasion, usually government is a waste of our hard earned money.

The government employees who manage people who provide services to the taxpayers are merely middle men. These government employees work for taxpayers and take the part of the middle man in the spending of taxpayer funds.

No society can function without a government from the most simple to the most complex
The private sector cannot function without a government providing essential economic, support and protection

 

[RKMBrown]

The U.S. federal government started the Internet. How many jobs has that created?

The U.S. Government's Advanced Research Projects Agency essentially created and funded the Internet, originally known as ARPANET. Once the platform was built, the inventors and entrepreneurs got involved, and, in the following decades, literally millions of jobs have been created worldwide. Suddenly, there was the World Wide Web, and then came Amazon, eBay, Yahoo!, Google, Cisco, Vonage, Facebook, Dell's revolutionary business model, modems, netbooks, and countless other hardware and software solutions. Anyone working at one of those companies who believes that the government doesn't create jobs doesn't understand why he or she has a job.

Link

Wrong. What a dumb ass.

Prove it's wrong with "credible" sources.

The tech for every part of the internet was borrowed from private sources. The funding in all cases was from taxpayers and corporations run by taxpayers. Additionally some important aspects of it were developed internationally. It was a shared effort.