Did You Know? The First "Top Gun" Competition Was Held in 1949 at Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada. Wanna Take a Wild Guess as to Who Won It?

It's pathetic how whites like you try making up racism in others. And you racist scum need to stop trying that argument about what people didn't experience. You didn't fight in the Revolutionary War, but you'll celebrate July 4th. You never suffered the tyranny f a King but you bitches fight every day to make certain that America doesn't turn to whatever you say Britain was in the 1700s. So it's like this white man, if your punk ass doesn't like discussions about race, stay out f threads that make reference to things done by people who are not white r that mention the effects f 249 years of white racist American domestic policy.

Racism was started by whites here, when whites stop practicing racism, racism here wi end. YOU need t stop the racism bitch, because YOU haven't once entered a thread by whites making racist comments pertaining Woke, DEI, CRT, BM or whatever other black organization or individual the right wing media told you to hate. GFY white man.
So long as you present your racism and lies, projecting your thoughts out of your rectum, you can expect push back, corrections and response to your inaccurate propaganda.

You don't own USMB and have no authority to tell other members they can not post in a thread.
 
Maybe you should educate the WA AG. Tell him that Affirmative Action doesn't exist in WA, because obviously he is unaware of it. So I am left with the impression that you purposely lied to advance your racist agenda or you are truly misinformed. In either case it isn't a good look for you.
Whites have gotten Affirmative action since 1776,
 
And again, you are whining about an event that happened 75 years ago. The world was much different then. No one has claimed that injustices didn't happen. I stated that in an earlier post. Your insistence that somehow these airmen were superior due to their ethnicity highlights your bigotry. These were great men, and the fact that I heard about the Tuskegee Airmen 12 years after their competition, prior to the CRA of 1964, shoots holes in your contention that they were not recognized. They were Americans and your divisive posts that want to separate them based on ethnicity verifies my claims about you. I fought side by side with men of every ethnicity in Vietnam, and I can guarantee you, that no one much cared who the American was who was next to them, just that they were AMERICANS. Your patriotism stops at skin color.
Divisive is when whites like you run your mouths to us trying to tell us what we should talk about or how we shud ignore ur history because you punk ass bitches can't handle the truth.
 
In my post #45 above is a link to this website;
....The Red Tail Squadron, part of the non-profit Commemorative Air Force (CAF), known as the Red Tail Project until June 2011, maintains and flies a World War II era North American P-51C Mustang. The twice-restored aircraft flies to create interest in the history and accomplishments of the members of the World War II-era 332nd Fighter Group, also known as the Tuskegee Airmen, whose distinctive red markings on the tails of the P-51s they flew during that war, gave the organization its name.[1]
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The CAF Red Tail Squadron endeavors to preserve the legacy of the airmen through aviation education.[38] In addition to the P-51C Mustang Tuskegee Airmen the Squadron RISE ABOVE Traveling Exhibit, utilized for tours and private showings for schools and groups around the country, the Squadron curates and provides educational resources for interested persons. These resources include a "Virtual Museum" which is an online repository of items belonging to or used by Tuskegee Airmen, including a catalogue of public memorials and artwork.[39]

The "RISE ABOVE Traveling Exhibit" was introduced at EAA AirVenture 2011. It consists of a 53-foot (16.2 m) long semi trailer and tractor. The trailer, which has colorful graphics on all four sides, has expandable sides and houses a 40-foot (12.2 m) long, curved IMAX movie screen plus comfortable seating for 30 guests; it is also climate controlled. An original IMAX movie called RISE ABOVE, developed and filmed specifically for the Red Tail Squadron and the unique movie screen, is shown.[40] The traveling exhibit goes to air shows with the Red Tail Project Mustang and spends 40 weeks per year at schools and places where young people congregate. The idea is to take the story of the Tuskegee Airmen, and how they overcame so many obstacles by setting goals and working to meet them, directly to the students who can benefit from hearing about the Airmen's experiences. The RISE ABOVE Traveling Exhibit is sponsored by the Texas Flying Legends Museum.[41]
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BTW, I've mentioned the Red Tails a couple of times in this thread;
Hanger Tails(Tales) ~ Flying/Aviation
 
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The fact that you only acknowledge the accomplishments of one race is absolutely practicing racism. Don't deny that you do it. A simple search of this very board verifies it. I haven't seen you speak of the accomplishments of the 442nd Nisei Regiment. They experienced the same type of treatment--possibly worse than the Tuskegee Airmen but you have never spoken of them. Why? Is it because they are not black? The fact that your world revolves around history of abuse that YOU NEVER EXPERIENCED shows that you live for racism because you practice it daily. Admit that you are a HUMAN BEING--no better or worse than any other human being and quit trying to benefit from the wrongs that were suffered by others before you were born. You'll be surprised that racism will cease to exist because you'll cease to practice it. Indeed, you may not create white racists that before your unjust accusations were not.
SHUT THE HELL UP!

Au contraire. It makes my argument. Why do you so vehemently try to justify DEI and AA? Seems if you truly didn't benefit from them, you wouldn't defend them. They are racist and nothing but. They should be abandoned immediately in the name of true equality.
You have been the number one beneficiary of race based preferences white man. You are the reason why AA and DEI had to be created. Because white men were excluding everybody else. So again, SHUT THE HELL UP!
 
In my post #45 above is a link to this website;
....The Red Tail Squadron, part of the non-profit Commemorative Air Force (CAF), known as the Red Tail Project until June 2011, maintains and flies a World War II era North American P-51C Mustang. The twice-restored aircraft flies to create interest in the history and accomplishments of the members of the World War II-era 332nd Fighter Group, also known as the Tuskegee Airmen, whose distinctive red markings on the tails of the P-51s they flew during that war, gave the organization its name.[1]
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The CAF Red Tail Squadron endeavors to preserve the legacy of the airmen through aviation education.[38] In addition to the P-51C Mustang Tuskegee Airmen the Squadron RISE ABOVE Traveling Exhibit, utilized for tours and private showings for schools and groups around the country, the Squadron curates and provides educational resources for interested persons. These resources include a "Virtual Museum" which is an online repository of items belonging to or used by Tuskegee Airmen, including a catalogue of public memorials and artwork.[39]

The "RISE ABOVE Traveling Exhibit" was introduced at EAA AirVenture 2011. It consists of a 53-foot (16.2 m) long semi trailer and tractor. The trailer, which has colorful graphics on all four sides, has expandable sides and houses a 40-foot (12.2 m) long, curved IMAX movie screen plus comfortable seating for 30 guests; it is also climate controlled. An original IMAX movie called RISE ABOVE, developed and filmed specifically for the Red Tail Squadron and the unique movie screen, is shown.[40] The traveling exhibit goes to air shows with the Red Tail Project Mustang and spends 40 weeks per year at schools and places where young people congregate. The idea is to take the story of the Tuskegee Airmen, and how they overcame so many obstacles by setting goals and working to meet them, directly to the students who can benefit from hearing about the Airmen's experiences. The RISE ABOVE Traveling Exhibit is sponsored by the Texas Flying Legends Museum.[41]
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BTW, I've mentioned the Red Tails a couple of times in this thread;
Hanger Tails(Tales) ~ Flying/Aviation
Currently operating as the "CAF Rise Above"
CAF = Commemorative Air Force;

From the Rise Above website;

Six Guiding Principles​

AIM HIGH

BELIEVE IN YOURSELF

USE YOUR BRAIN

BE READY TO GO

NEVER QUIT

EXPECT TO WIN

 
SHUT THE HELL UP!


You have been the number one beneficiary of race based preferences white man. You are the reason why AA and DEI had to be created. Because white men were excluding everybody else. So again, SHUT THE HELL UP!
"the reason why AA and DEI had to be created."
Is because lazy and incompetent turds like you can't make it in Life with out special treatment, special advantages, and special assistance.

You want real AA and DEI ?
Than we need a law that professional sports teams can't have any more than 12% of members be Black !!! :rolleyes:
 
Shut up, fool!
If you actually talk to blacks who lived in that era, they would tell you how happy they were and grateful to be Americans despite the ‘understood’ standards of segregation. But it doesn’t mean blacks were being hanged to death five times a week as you paint it. They had their schools and clubs and entertainment and were happy in it.
You’re just a post-great society indoctrinated fool, conditioned by demagogues and race hustlers into spewing your own hate and racism.
White man do you understand that our parents and grandparents grew up during that shit? None of them liked it. None of them were happy and grateful. Both my mom and dad beat the shit out of white kids and the only thing that saved them was the fact that my grandmother on my mom's side was the only black teacher at the black school, and my father's family had to escape Louisiana. They didn't accept any understood standards and furthermore they taught us not to EVER take the same kind of shit from whites. So you really need to SHUT THE FUCK UP!

You have been race hustled your entire life to such an extent that you're delusional.
 
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Tuskegee Airmen Profiles​

(and women)
 
Currently operating as the "CAF Rise Above"
CAF = Commemorative Air Force;

From the Rise Above website;

Six Guiding Principles​

AIM HIGH

BELIEVE IN YOURSELF

USE YOUR BRAIN

BE READY TO GO

NEVER QUIT

EXPECT TO WIN

A couple of the many noteworthy members of the Red Tails who put these six guiding principles into spectacular effect;

Benjamin O. Davis Jr. - Wikipedia

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Benjamin Oliver Davis Jr. (December 18, 1912 – July 4, 2002) was a United States Air Force (USAF) general and commander of the World War II Tuskegee Airmen.

He was the first African-American brigadier general in the USAF. On December 9, 1998, he was advanced to four-star general by President Bill Clinton. During World War II, Davis was commander of the 99th Fighter Squadron and the 332nd Fighter Group, which escorted bombers on air combat missions over Europe. Davis flew sixty missions in P-39 Airacobra, Curtiss P-40 Warhawk, P-47 Thunderbolt, and P-51 Mustang fighters and was one of the first African-American pilots to see combat. Davis followed in his father's footsteps in breaking racial barriers, as Benjamin O. Davis Sr. had been the first black brigadier general in the United States Army.[citation needed]
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In the summer of 1926, at age 13, Davis Jr (or Davis) flew with a barnstorming pilot at Bolling Field in Washington, D.C. The experience led to his determination to become a pilot himself.[1]
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In July 1932, after attending the University of Chicago, Davis entered the United States Military Academy (West Point).[1][2] He graduated from West Point in 1936, becoming the first black man to do so since 1889.[3] His sponsor was Representative Oscar De Priest (R-IL) of Chicago, who was, at the time, the only black member of Congress.[citation needed]

During his four years at the academy, Davis was isolated by his white classmates on account of his race. He never had a roommate. He ate by himself. His classmates rarely spoke to him outside the line of duty, intending that their "silent treatment" would drive him from the academy. It had the opposite effect; it steeled his determination to endure the animosity and to compete and graduate. Ultimately, his perseverance
his classmates, as evidenced by a biographical note of Davis in the 1936 yearbook, the Howitzer:


"The courage, tenacity, and intelligence with which he conquered a problem incomparably more difficult than plebe year won for him the sincere admiration of his classmates, and his single-minded determination to continue in his chosen career cannot fail to inspire respect wherever fortune may lead him."[4]

Davis graduated in June 1936, 35th in a class of 276. He was the academy's fourth black graduate after Henry Ossian Flipper (1877), John Hanks Alexander (1887), and Charles Young (1889).[1] When he was commissioned as a second lieutenant, the Army had only two black officers who weren't chaplains – Benjamin O. Davis Sr. and Benjamin O. Davis Jr.[5] After graduation he married Agatha Scott whom he met while a cadet at West Point.[2]
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Early in 1941, the Roosevelt administration, in response to public pressure for greater black participation in the military as war approached, ordered the War Department to create a black flying unit. Captain Davis was assigned to the first training class at Tuskegee Army Air Field (hence the name Tuskegee Airmen). In July 1941, Davis entered aviation cadet training with the Tuskegee Airmen's first class of aviation cadets, Class 42-C-SE.[6] On March 6, 1942, Davis graduated from aviation cadet training with Captain George S. Roberts; 2nd Lt. Charles DeBow Jr. (Feb 13, 1918 – April 4, 1968),[7] 2nd Lt. Mac Ross (1912–1944),[8] and 2nd Lt. Lemuel R. Custis (1915–2005). Davis and his four classmates became the first African American combat fighter pilots in the U.S. military.[9][10]

Davis was the first African American officer to solo an Army Air Corps aircraft. In July that year, having been promoted to lieutenant colonel, he was named commander of the first all-black air unit, the 99th Pursuit Squadron.[citation needed]
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Colonel Davis, commander of the 51st FIW, leads a formation of F-86F Sabres during the Korean War, 1953
In July 1948, President Harry S. Truman signed Executive Order 9981 ordering the racial integration of the armed forces. Colonel Davis helped draft the Air Force plan for implementing this order. The Air Force was the first of the services to integrate fully.[citation needed]

In 1949, Davis attended Air War College.[1] He later served at the Pentagon and in overseas posts over the next two decades. Noteworthy is that during his time at the Pentagon, he drafted the staffing package and gained approval to create the Air Force Thunderbird flight demonstration team.[14] He again saw combat in 1953 when he assumed command of the 51st Fighter-Interceptor Wing (51 FIW) and flew an F-86 Sabre in Korea. He served as director of operations and training at Far East Air Forces Headquarters, Tokyo, from 1954 until 1955, when he assumed the position of vice commander of Thirteenth Air Force, with additional duty as commander of Air Task Force 13 (Provisional), Taipei, Taiwan. During his time in Tokyo, he was temporarily promoted to the rank of brigadier general.[citation needed]
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Davis was assigned as deputy commander in chief, U.S. Strike Command, with headquarters at MacDill Air Force Base, Florida, in August 1968, with additional duty as commander in chief, Middle-East, Southern Asia and Africa. He retired from active military service on February 1, 1970.[1]

On December 9, 1998, Davis Jr. was promoted to general, U.S. Air Force (retired), with President Bill Clinton pinning on his four-star insignia.[1][15] In the late 1980s he began to work on his autobiography, Benjamin O. Davis Jr.: American: An Autobiography.
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Currently operating as the "CAF Rise Above"
CAF = Commemorative Air Force;

From the Rise Above website;

Six Guiding Principles​

AIM HIGH

BELIEVE IN YOURSELF

USE YOUR BRAIN

BE READY TO GO

NEVER QUIT

EXPECT TO WIN

A couple of the many noteworthy members of the Red Tails who put these six guiding principles into spectacular effect;

Daniel James Jr. - Wikipedia

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Daniel "Chappie" James Jr. (February 11, 1920 – February 25, 1978) was a fighter pilot in the United States Air Force who, in 1975, became the first African American to reach the rank of four-star general in the United States Armed Forces. Three years later, James was forced to retire prematurely due to heart issues, just weeks before he died of a heart attack.

James attended the famous Tuskegee Institute and instructed African American pilots during World War II. He flew combat missions during the Korean War and Vietnam War, and received the Defense Distinguished Service Medal, two Air Force Distinguished Service Medals, two Legions of Merit, three Distinguished Flying Crosses, a Meritorious Service Medal, and fourteen Air Medals.
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World War II​

James continued civilian pilot training under the government-sponsored Civilian Pilot Training Program. He then enlisted in the Aviation Cadet Program of the United States Army Air Forces on January 18, 1943, receiving his commission as a second lieutenant and pilot wings at Tuskegee Army Airfield, Alabama, on July 28, 1943.[5] He remained at Tuskegee as a civilian instructor pilot in the Army Air Corps later that July. Throughout the remainder of the war, James trained pilots for the all-Black 99th Pursuit Squadron.

After completing P-40 Warhawk training and then B-25 Mitchell training, James served as a B-25 pilot with the 617th Bomb Squadron of the 477th Bomb Group at Godman Army Airfield and then at Lockbourne Army Airfield from January 1944 until the end of the war.
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Korean War​

James with F-51 in South Korea
In September 1949, James went to the Philippines as flight leader for the 12th Fighter-Bomber Squadron, 18th Fighter Wing at Clark Field. In July 1950 he left for Korea, where he flew 101 combat missions in F-51 Mustang and F-80 aircraft. His combat missions were with the 67th Fighter Bomber Squadron, 12th Fighter Bomber Squadron, and 44th Fighter Bomber Squadron.
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James went to Ubon Royal Thai Air Force Base, Thailand, in December 1966, as deputy commander for operations, 8th TFW. In June 1967, under Colonel Robin Olds, he was named wing vice commander when Col. Vermont Garrison completed his tour. Both in their mid-40s, they formed a legendary team nicknamed "Blackman and Robin". James flew 78 combat missions into North Vietnam, many in the Hanoi/Haiphong area, and led a flight in the "Operation Bolo" MiG sweep in which seven Communist MiG-21s were destroyed, the highest total kill of any mission during the Vietnam War.
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On September 1, 1975, James was promoted to the four-star rank of general (O-10), becoming the highest ranking African-American in the history of the United States military to that date.[5] He was assigned as commander in chief of NORAD/ADCOM at Peterson Air Force Base, Colorado. In these dual capacities, he had operational command of all United States and Canadian strategic aerospace defense forces. On December 6, 1977, he assumed duty as special assistant to the Chief of Staff, U.S. Air Force.[11]

James retired from the Air Force on February 1, 1978.[12]
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"Alright, kids, let’s imagine we’re at a big race at school. There are teams from all over, and everyone is excited. Now, imagine that there’s one team—the Red Team—that some people don’t like because they’re different. They aren’t allowed to sit with the other kids at lunch, and sometimes, the teachers don’t even call on them in class. But this team is really good at racing.

On race day, the Red Team runs faster than anyone else and wins first place fair and square. The crowd cheers, and they’re so happy! But then, the judges—who don’t like the Red Team—say:

🔹 "Oops, we made a mistake. We’re going to say the Blue Team won instead."​
🔹 They erase the Red Team’s name from the winner's list.​
🔹 They don’t let the Red Team get their trophy or take pictures.​
🔹 They don’t tell anyone they actually won.

For years, no one even knows that the Red Team was the real winner. People believe the Blue Team won because that’s what they were told.

Then, much later, someone finds an old notebook that proves the Red Team really did win! People start talking about it, and finally, the truth comes out. But guess what? The Red Team still never got their trophy, their celebration, or their moment in history.

How This Happened in Real Life:​

The Tuskegee Airmen (the "Red Team") won the 1949 U.S. Air Force Fighter Weapons Meet (the "race"). But because of racism, their win was erased from history:

✔️ Another team was credited with the win even though they lost.

✔️ The Tuskegee Airmen’s victory was not publicized or celebrated.

✔️ For decades, no one knew they had won. (7 decades actually - 70 years)

✔️ Only years later did people start to recognize their achievement.

This isn’t about "rigging the playing field"—it’s about fixing what was unfairly rigged against them in the first place. The Tuskegee Airmen played by the rules, won fair and square, and still had their moment stolen from them.

That’s the point.
In July 1932, after attending the University of Chicago, Davis entered the United States Military Academy (West Point).[1][2] He graduated from West Point in 1936, becoming the first black man to do so since 1889.[3] His sponsor was Representative Oscar De Priest (R-IL) of Chicago, who was, at the time, the only black member of Congress.[citation needed]

So you can thank a Republican; good show!!!

Greg
 
You’re conflating two separate things. Recognizing an injustice that happened does not equal asking for special treatment today. Acknowledging history isn’t the same as 'practicing racism.'

The Tuskegee Airmen didn’t receive ‘special programs’—they faced barriers that others didn’t. They had to fight for the right to serve, train, and compete. Even when they excelled, their achievements were erased.

You also seem to forget that government programs have existed for many groups throughout U.S. history—land grants, GI Bills, and business subsidies, all of which disproportionately benefited white Americans while excluding Black citizens. So if your issue is truly with 'special programs', then let’s be honest about who benefited most from them historically.

And since you’re so concerned about ‘special programs,’ let’s talk about reality. I’ve spent the last 25 years working in Washington State, where Initiative 200 (I-200) has prohibited racial preferences since 1998. That means there have been zero race-based preferences for hiring, education, or government contracts for over two decades. Yet, somehow, I still managed to have a career—without any ‘special treatment.’

So tell me—what exactly are you complaining about? Because if I can succeed in a state with no racial preferences, that pretty much obliterates your argument.

Let’s be real: This isn’t about fairness. It’s about keeping the playing field tilted and crying foul whenever Black excellence shines through without needing anyone’s permission.
land grants, GI Bills, and business subsidies, all of which disproportionately benefited white Americans while excluding Black citizens.
GI Bill didn't apply to blacks?
 
So this is my observation after all the noise and bullshit posted in response to my innocuous thread about a Tuskegee Airman being the actual winner of the first "Top Gun" competition and having that win erased from the record books for 70 some odd years. All this angst and defamation is now going to hit you where it hurts most.

When devisive white males post information on the Tuskegee Airmen on a thread I started, then the information is supposed to be taken as gospel. Yet I've posted the exact same information in separate threads that pre-date the information in this thread by months and in some cases years, including the "silencing" and isolation that Benjamin O Davis endured during the entirety of his 4 years as a West Point cadet.

Additionally, there is some doxing and stalking by proxy going on in addition to the defamation. There are too many of you to individually notify but the rate to conduct the research needed to name you in a filing, specifically those who have been warned to stop following me around this board and harassing me is currently $175/hour and soon to be $200/hour.

I'm not going to go into the why's at this point, you will be advised of them soon enough.

Just because we're on a public message board and I am female does not give any of you the right to follow me around so you can trash my threads, call me names, and cast aspersions on my character, especially if you've been told you're not welcome on my threads.
 
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GI Bill didn't apply to blacks?
Not equally it didn't. Did you forget that or did you never know that in Plessy v Ferguson (1896) they came up with that bs ruling that "separate but [allegedly] equal" was not a violation of the 14th amendment which had been ratified 28 years previously, when it clearly was?

This was just insult on top of the injury of the Dred Scott v Sanford decision.

These were 100% racist rulings yet you all somehow manage to ignore all of this.

In spite of the passage of the 14th Amendment, the U.S. allowed 97 years of racist, race based discrimination, violence and oppression of Black Americans until the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 effective rendered all of those laws null & void.

What you all CONVENIENTLY overlook is that the passage of this law had ZERO impact of the hearts and minds of the white supremacists of society.

As we can observe today in 2025.
 
Stop taking credit for the Republican liberal party of the 1800's.

And stop pretending that because some white man signed a piece of paper that white racism stopped.
 
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