Depression

[Lisa558]

See you think a behavioral issue will last 15 years unless you drug an animal for life. Drugs are your solution

Yup. I’ve seen it happen before. My parents had a cat who peed throughout the house for all 12 years of its life. They tried everything but Prozac.

That cat was also a stray, found half-dead in a parking lot.

 

[Blues Man]

Yup. I’ve seen it happen before. My parents had a cat who peed throughout the house for all 12 years of its life. They tried everything but Prozac.

That cat was also a stray, found half-dead in a parking lot.

Cool just drug every animal you get and your life will be great.

Tell me when your children misbehaved what was your drug of choice for them?

 

[Lisa558]

Cool just drug every animal you get and your life will be great.

Tell me when your children misbehaved what was your drug of choice for them?

You’re right, so I decided to bring him back to the shelter. He’ll be happier there in the cage for months, hoping someone will adopt him. Of course I’ve got to disclose that he pees all over the carpet, so it’s possible that he’ll be there for six months or more.

Thanks for the guidance. My cat will be happier losing another home and back in a cage.

 

[Blues Man]

You’re right, so I decided to bring him back to the shelter. He’ll be happier there in the cage for months, hoping someone will adopt him. Of course I’ve got to disclose that he pees all over the carpet, so it’s possible that he’ll be there for six months or more.

Thanks for the guidance. My cat will be happier losing another home and back in a cage.

Behavioral issues do not require a life time drugging

 

[Lisa558]

Behavioral issues do not require a life time drugging

I didn’t say a lifetime now, did I? I said he’s back on it and I’ll try to taper him off again in three months, going slower.

 

[odanny]

You have placed too much trust in the drug dealers working for the Big Pharma Cartel.

No I have not, I jist don't disparage all medical professionals as "quacks", I look at all my options.

 

[Blues Man]

No I have not, I jist don't disparage all medical professionals as "quacks", I look at all my options.

Most of them are. Especially the doctors who prescribe drugs at the drop of a fucking hat

 

[GMCGeneral]

They don't work and the science is actually proving it. You are taking drugs based on bad science and convention and if you listen to the quack that prescribed them you're going to be taking them for the rest of your life

Hey numbnuts. My 21 yo daughter was SUICIDAL before going on antidepressants! So you can take your junk science and shove it where you crap your pants.

 

[averibers]

I understand your frustration with the current approach to treating depression. It's a multifaceted issue, and the reliance on medication alone may not always provide the desired results. Exploring alternative therapies or supplements could be worth considering.

 

[Blues Man]

Hey numbnuts. My 21 yo daughter was SUICIDAL before going on antidepressants! So you can take your junk science and shove it where you crap your pants.

And you think she needs to be on drugs for the rest of her life now right?

And the whole idea of the "chemical imbalance " is what is junk science.

 

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And you think she needs to be on drugs for the rest of her life now right?

How did you even make that leap in logic to she has to be on them for her lifetime? That's not how it works.

 

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And the whole idea of the "chemical imbalance " is what is junk science.

 

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I understand your frustration with the current approach to treating depression. It's a multifaceted issue, and the reliance on medication alone may not always provide the desired results. Exploring alternative therapies or supplements could be worth considering.

Multifaceted issues usually require multifaceted solutions, no?

Treating depression requires a multifaceted approach

UCLA Chancellor Gene Block and other experts on a Zócalo/UCLA panel shared new directions researchers are exploring and emphasized the importance of open communication.

newsroom.ucla.edu

 

[XsBones]

We'll never know what truly causes depression. At least, there are methods to manage it, like medicinal cannabis. Many studies have shown that it helps. For example, this page mentions that patients with depression experience a 50% reduction in symptoms after administering their cannabis-derived medicine.

I, for one, think that more studies will be made and will prove that CBD is helpful.

 

[MisterBeale]

This article was originally published on April 30, 2019 and has since been updated.

Disclosures:​

The author reports no conflict of interest concerning the subject matter of this article.

References:​

1. Pope A. A Little Learning. Poets’ Graves. https://www.poetsgraves.co.uk/Classic Poems/Pope/a_little_learning.htm. Accessed May 9, 2019.

2. Pies RW. Psychiatry’s new brain-mind and the legend of “chemical imbalance.” Psychiatric Times. July 11, 2011. http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/blogs/couch-crisis/psychiatry-new-brain-mind-and-legend-chemical-imbalance. Accessed April 30, 2019.

3. Pies RW. Doctor, is my mood disorder due to a chemical imbalance? PsychCentral.https://psychcentral.com/blog/archi...-my-mood-disorder-due-to-a-chemical-imbalance. Accessed April 30, 2019.

4. Pies RW. Nuances, narratives, and the “Chemical Imbalance” debate. Psychiatric Times. April 11, 2014. https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/couch-crisis/nuances-narratives-and-chemical-imbalance-debate. Accessed April 30, 2019.

5. Aviv R. The challenge of going off psychiatric drugs. The New Yorker. April 1, 2019. The Challenge of Going Off Psychiatric Drugs. Accessed April 30, 2019.

[Note: I am quoted without context or source in this piece. The source of the quote is: http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2011/08/04/doctor-is-my-mood-disorder-due-to-a-chemical-imbalance]

6. Dawson G. The Myth of Monolithic Psychiatry. 2015. The Myth of Monolithic Psychiatry. Accessed May 9, 2019.

7. Pies RW. Serotonin: How psychiatry got over its high school crush. Psychiatric Times. 2015;32(11): 28,35. https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/couch-crisis/serotonin-how-psychiatry-got-over-its-high-school-crush.

8. Schildkraut JJ. The catecholamine hypothesis of affective disorders: a review of supporting evidence.Am J Psychiatry. 1965;122:509-522.

9. American Psychiatric Association. Position statement on active treatment. Am J Psychiatry. 1979;136:753. http://www.psychiatry.org/File Library/Learn/Archives/Position-1978-Active-Treatment.pdf. Accessed April 30, 2019.

10. Trivedi MH. The link between depression and physical symptoms. Prim Care Companion J Clin Psychiatry. 2004;6(Suppl 1):12-16.

11. Dubovsky SL, Davies R, Dubovsky AN: Mood Disorders. In: Hales RE, Yudofsky SC. American Psychiatric Publishing Textbook of Clinical Psychiatry, 4th ed. Washington DC: American Psychiatric Publishing;2003.

12. Smith RC. The Biopsychosocial Revolution: Interviewing and Provider-patient Relationships Becoming Key Issues for Primary Care. J Gen Intern Med. 2002;17:309–310.

13. Pies RW. Comments on “cyclical swings” by Professor Hannah Decker: The underappreciated “solid center” of psychiatry. Hist Psychol. 2016;19:60-65.

14. American Psychiatric Association. What is depression? What Is Depression?. May 9, 2019.

15. Miller AH, Maletic V, Raison CL. Inflammation and its discontents: the role of cytokines in the pathophysiology of major depression. Biol Psychiatry. 2009;65;732–741.

16. Köhler-Forsberg O, N Lydholm C, Hjorthøj C, et al. Efficacy of anti-inflammatory treatment on major depressive disorder or depressive symptoms: meta-analysis of clinical trials. Acta Psychiatr Scand. 2019;139:404-419.

17. Hashimoto K. Brain-derived neurotrophic factor as a biomarker for mood disorders: an historical overview and future directions. Psychiatry Clin Neurosci. 2010;64:341-357.

18. Williams NR, Heifets BD, Blasey C, et al. Attenuation of antidepressant effects of ketamine by opioid receptor antagonism. Am J Psychiatry. 2018;175:1205-1215.

19. Paris J. The mistreatment of major depressive disorder. Can J Psychiatry. 2014;59:148–151.

20. Maletic V, Raison C. Integrated neurobiology of bipolar disorder. Front Psychiatry. 2014;5:98.

21. Norhayati MN, Hazlina NH, Asrenee AR, et al. Magnitude and risk factors for postpartum symptoms: a literature review. J Affect Disord. 2015;175:34-52.

22. Opel N, Redlich R, Dohm K, et al. Mediation of the influence of childhood maltreatment on depression relapse by cortical structure: a 2-year longitudinal observational study. Lancet Psychiatry. 2019;6,318-26. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(19)30044-6/fulltext. Accessed April 30, 2019.

23. Bailey RK, Mokonogho J, Kumar A. Racial and ethnic differences in depression: current perspectives. Neuropsychiatr Dis Treat. 2019;15:603–609.

24. Grohol JM. The problem with Google’s health knowledge graphs. Psych Central. http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2015/08/21/the-problem-with-googles-health-knowledge-graphs. Accessed April 30, 2019.

25. Pies RW, Thommi S, Ghaemi SN. Getting it from both sides: foundational and antifoundational critiques of psychiatry. Psychiatric Times. July 2, 2011. https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/cu...nal-and-antifoundational-critiques-psychiatry. Accessed April 30, 2019.

26. Schramme T. The legacy of antipsychiatry. In: Schramme T, Thome J, eds. Philosophy and Psychiatry. Berlin: de Gruyter; 2004:94-119.

27. Frances CM, Lysaker PH, Robinson RP. The “chemical imbalance” explanation for depression: Origins, lay endorsement, and clinical implications. Prof Psychol Res Pr. 2007;38:411-420.

28. Barkil-Oteo A. Collaborative care for depression in primary care: how psychiatry could “troubleshoot” current treatments and practices. Yale J Biol Med. 2013;86:139–146.

Debunking the Two Chemical Imbalance Myths, Again​

Debunking the Two Chemical Imbalance Myths, Again

Moving toward a bio-psycho-sociocultural model of major depression.

www.psychiatrictimes.com

https://cdn.sanity.io/files/0vv8moc6/psychtimes/1524cbd968881a2a5433967de9f2356f8cf181ab.pdf/psy0819_ezine_R1.pdf

 

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This article was originally published on April 30, 2019 and has since been updated.

Disclosures:​

The author reports no conflict of interest concerning the subject matter of this article.

References:​

1. Pope A. A Little Learning. Poets’ Graves. https://www.poetsgraves.co.uk/Classic Poems/Pope/a_little_learning.htm. Accessed May 9, 2019.

2. Pies RW. Psychiatry’s new brain-mind and the legend of “chemical imbalance.” Psychiatric Times. July 11, 2011. http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/blogs/couch-crisis/psychiatry-new-brain-mind-and-legend-chemical-imbalance. Accessed April 30, 2019.

3. Pies RW. Doctor, is my mood disorder due to a chemical imbalance? PsychCentral.https://psychcentral.com/blog/archi...-my-mood-disorder-due-to-a-chemical-imbalance. Accessed April 30, 2019.

4. Pies RW. Nuances, narratives, and the “Chemical Imbalance” debate. Psychiatric Times. April 11, 2014. https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/couch-crisis/nuances-narratives-and-chemical-imbalance-debate. Accessed April 30, 2019.

5. Aviv R. The challenge of going off psychiatric drugs. The New Yorker. April 1, 2019. The Challenge of Going Off Psychiatric Drugs. Accessed April 30, 2019.

[Note: I am quoted without context or source in this piece. The source of the quote is: http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2011/08/04/doctor-is-my-mood-disorder-due-to-a-chemical-imbalance]

6. Dawson G. The Myth of Monolithic Psychiatry. 2015. The Myth of Monolithic Psychiatry. Accessed May 9, 2019.

7. Pies RW. Serotonin: How psychiatry got over its high school crush. Psychiatric Times. 2015;32(11): 28,35. https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/couch-crisis/serotonin-how-psychiatry-got-over-its-high-school-crush.

8. Schildkraut JJ. The catecholamine hypothesis of affective disorders: a review of supporting evidence.Am J Psychiatry. 1965;122:509-522.

9. American Psychiatric Association. Position statement on active treatment. Am J Psychiatry. 1979;136:753. http://www.psychiatry.org/File Library/Learn/Archives/Position-1978-Active-Treatment.pdf. Accessed April 30, 2019.

10. Trivedi MH. The link between depression and physical symptoms. Prim Care Companion J Clin Psychiatry. 2004;6(Suppl 1):12-16.

11. Dubovsky SL, Davies R, Dubovsky AN: Mood Disorders. In: Hales RE, Yudofsky SC. American Psychiatric Publishing Textbook of Clinical Psychiatry, 4th ed. Washington DC: American Psychiatric Publishing;2003.

12. Smith RC. The Biopsychosocial Revolution: Interviewing and Provider-patient Relationships Becoming Key Issues for Primary Care. J Gen Intern Med. 2002;17:309–310.

13. Pies RW. Comments on “cyclical swings” by Professor Hannah Decker: The underappreciated “solid center” of psychiatry. Hist Psychol. 2016;19:60-65.

14. American Psychiatric Association. What is depression? What Is Depression?. May 9, 2019.

15. Miller AH, Maletic V, Raison CL. Inflammation and its discontents: the role of cytokines in the pathophysiology of major depression. Biol Psychiatry. 2009;65;732–741.

16. Köhler-Forsberg O, N Lydholm C, Hjorthøj C, et al. Efficacy of anti-inflammatory treatment on major depressive disorder or depressive symptoms: meta-analysis of clinical trials. Acta Psychiatr Scand. 2019;139:404-419.

17. Hashimoto K. Brain-derived neurotrophic factor as a biomarker for mood disorders: an historical overview and future directions. Psychiatry Clin Neurosci. 2010;64:341-357.

18. Williams NR, Heifets BD, Blasey C, et al. Attenuation of antidepressant effects of ketamine by opioid receptor antagonism. Am J Psychiatry. 2018;175:1205-1215.

19. Paris J. The mistreatment of major depressive disorder. Can J Psychiatry. 2014;59:148–151.

20. Maletic V, Raison C. Integrated neurobiology of bipolar disorder. Front Psychiatry. 2014;5:98.

21. Norhayati MN, Hazlina NH, Asrenee AR, et al. Magnitude and risk factors for postpartum symptoms: a literature review. J Affect Disord. 2015;175:34-52.

22. Opel N, Redlich R, Dohm K, et al. Mediation of the influence of childhood maltreatment on depression relapse by cortical structure: a 2-year longitudinal observational study. Lancet Psychiatry. 2019;6,318-26. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(19)30044-6/fulltext. Accessed April 30, 2019.

23. Bailey RK, Mokonogho J, Kumar A. Racial and ethnic differences in depression: current perspectives. Neuropsychiatr Dis Treat. 2019;15:603–609.

24. Grohol JM. The problem with Google’s health knowledge graphs. Psych Central. http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2015/08/21/the-problem-with-googles-health-knowledge-graphs. Accessed April 30, 2019.

25. Pies RW, Thommi S, Ghaemi SN. Getting it from both sides: foundational and antifoundational critiques of psychiatry. Psychiatric Times. July 2, 2011. https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/cu...nal-and-antifoundational-critiques-psychiatry. Accessed April 30, 2019.

26. Schramme T. The legacy of antipsychiatry. In: Schramme T, Thome J, eds. Philosophy and Psychiatry. Berlin: de Gruyter; 2004:94-119.

27. Frances CM, Lysaker PH, Robinson RP. The “chemical imbalance” explanation for depression: Origins, lay endorsement, and clinical implications. Prof Psychol Res Pr. 2007;38:411-420.

28. Barkil-Oteo A. Collaborative care for depression in primary care: how psychiatry could “troubleshoot” current treatments and practices. Yale J Biol Med. 2013;86:139–146.

Debunking the Two Chemical Imbalance Myths, Again​

Debunking the Two Chemical Imbalance Myths, Again

Moving toward a bio-psycho-sociocultural model of major depression.

www.psychiatrictimes.com

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Where was the "junk science" claim. Seems to me that it said the exact opposite.

 

[MisterBeale]

Where was the "junk science" claim. Seems to me that it said the exact opposite.

Cognitive dissonance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Just go take some moar psychotropics and forget I ever posted.

 

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Cognitive dissonance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Just go take some moar psychotropics and forget I ever posted.

Just reading what your original link said, dummy.