Denzel Washington knows what our problem is...fatherless homes..not guns or prisons...

[Markle]

Let’s say you’re president. What are you going to try to do to fix poverty in poor black communities?

Begin to crack down on gun crime. Florida has a 10-20-Life law that has been very effective. Use a gun in the commission of a crime, 10 years minimum. Fire the gun without hitting someone in the commission of a crime, 20 years minimum. Fire a gun and strike anyone and it is Life in prison.

Then:

 

[JQPublic1]

How many times do I have to tell you that 75% of blacks live above the poverty level.

Yet they commit a significantly higher proportion of crime and run schools and communities into the ground. Obviously poverty isn't the driver.
It's fatherlessness.
Which is the point of the thread.
Too bad denzel puts his foot in his mouth on this one, having played a zillion black victimhood characters over the years, creating the false notion that blacks are kept down.

Are you suggesting that the 75% of blacks living above the poverty level are responsible
for the crime in their communities or are you blaming the impoverished 25%? Explain why poverty isn't the driving force behind the crime in a black or any other community?
You must know that Caucs commit a significant amount of crime too. Is it because of absent fathers as well? Help me out here...I really want to know.

In regards to blacks running schools and communities into the ground.... I'm not so sure of that either. On its face that statement smacks of prejudice.. If you are pointing to Detroit as an example, you're ignorant of the
circumstances that caused Detroit to decline.
Mostly it had to do with the decline of the auto industry which started to produce shitty substandard cars that people did not want.
Secondly...lucrative pensions and benefits
for workers strained profit margins to the breaking point. The Detroit decline must be assessed in the context of all of that . So how did blacks get the blame? .

Blacks run schools down ? Really? Just what do blacks do to run a school down? Do you mean the municipal schools in the ghettoes or schools like Howard University?
Can you name one school that was run down by blacks?

But someone said yesterday blacks in these hopeless communities have no positive role models. You’re saying these poor communities have plenty of positive role models for the youth to look up to.

I think the very fact that most blacks aren't criminals attests to the presence of role models ..such as ministers, celebrities like Denzel. and just plain folk who go to work and church regularly.. Something is keeping things relatively calm and civil in black communities. If not it would be a whole lot worse

 

[JQPublic1]

It's the simplistic right wing "view" of things that always means they're right and therefore they don't need to actually deal with any of the problems.

Let’s say you’re president. What are you going to try to do to fix poverty in poor black communities?

I'd focus on poverty that exists in All communities. You can't use tax dollars on the 11 million impoverished blacks and ignore 23 million impoverished Caucs.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It's the simplistic right wing "view" of things that always means they're right and therefore they don't need to actually deal with any of the problems.

Let’s say you’re president. What are you going to try to do to fix poverty in poor black communities?

I'd focus on poverty that exists in All communities. You can't use tax dollars on the 11 million impoverished blacks and ignore 23 million impoverished Caucs.

Yes, the biggest problem is when one group is seen as having an advantage over another group.

Help society, help Americans, make things better by targeting the PROBLEMS and the country will get better. Carry on the same way the partisan political monsters are doing, and see the country die.

 

[Asclepias]

It's the simplistic right wing "view" of things that always means they're right and therefore they don't need to actually deal with any of the problems.

Let’s say you’re president. What are you going to try to do to fix poverty in poor black communities?

I'd focus on poverty that exists in All communities. You can't use tax dollars on the 11 million impoverished blacks and ignore 23 million impoverished Caucs.

Yes, the biggest problem is when one group is seen as having an advantage over another group.

Help society, help Americans, make things better by targeting the PROBLEMS and the country will get better. Carry on the same way the partisan political monsters are doing, and see the country die.

Whites had no problem creating the inequality. Why should they forego their turn on the bottom? I would think it would teach them a lesson.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It's the simplistic right wing "view" of things that always means they're right and therefore they don't need to actually deal with any of the problems.

Let’s say you’re president. What are you going to try to do to fix poverty in poor black communities?

I'd focus on poverty that exists in All communities. You can't use tax dollars on the 11 million impoverished blacks and ignore 23 million impoverished Caucs.

Yes, the biggest problem is when one group is seen as having an advantage over another group.

Help society, help Americans, make things better by targeting the PROBLEMS and the country will get better. Carry on the same way the partisan political monsters are doing, and see the country die.

Whites had no problem creating the inequality. Why should they forego their turn on the bottom? I would think it would teach them a lesson.

I'm more into equality than vengeance.

 

[Asclepias]

It's the simplistic right wing "view" of things that always means they're right and therefore they don't need to actually deal with any of the problems.

Let’s say you’re president. What are you going to try to do to fix poverty in poor black communities?

I'd focus on poverty that exists in All communities. You can't use tax dollars on the 11 million impoverished blacks and ignore 23 million impoverished Caucs.

Yes, the biggest problem is when one group is seen as having an advantage over another group.

Help society, help Americans, make things better by targeting the PROBLEMS and the country will get better. Carry on the same way the partisan political monsters are doing, and see the country die.

Whites had no problem creating the inequality. Why should they forego their turn on the bottom? I would think it would teach them a lesson.

I'm more into equality than vengeance.

So youre for wealth redistribution then. Thats fine with me but I dont think the education whites need regarding equality would really be learned. I think it would just make them angry everyone was on a equal level. There has to be some pain for the lesson to be accurately understood.

 

[Foxfyre]

We need a lot more popular, well known, charismatic black men and women to step up and start saying the same kinds of things and setting the same example. It may be the best hope for black youth born into relentless cycles of poverty, violence, ignorance, poor social skills, shabby values. Unfortunately those who promote so-called conservative values or otherwise are positive role models are too often dismissed as irrelevant or are ravaged by some on the left who will find some way to blunt or divert the message in favor of the flawed racist themes they promote.

Disagree. Denzel hasnt said anything new. This is being said daily in Black communities by many charismatic Black men and women. We know the system is rigged against us so we have to be ten times better, ten times more law abiding, ten times smarter than a white person just to stay even. Denzel is engaging in double speak. He is sending a message to the Black community that whites dont get while at the same time being politically correct...barely. Think of it as dog whistle politics.

Sorry, but I've seen too much of it first hand to believe there are a lot of positive role models out there that people in chaotic neighborhoods would ever be aware of. Most of their role models are like you preaching victimization, raw deal, '****** is to blame" and such and that is heard as justification for anger, violence, lawlessness, hatred, and a waste of time trying to make a difference. That kind of role model is both cruel and perpetuates the situation.

Sorry but I grew up in it. You cant possibly have seen more first hand evidence than I have. Of course ****** is too blame for the environment but it is on us to circumvent and overcome your bullshit white racism. This is what Denzel is saying in so many words. its like I tell so many of the kids I mentor. OK ****** got everything on lock and causing you to have a hard time. So what are you going to do now? Lay down and whine or find a way around it?

If you are not telling the kids that the legal battles have been won and now it is up to them to take advantage of the just laws they now live under. . .

If you are not telling the kids that the best chance they have to live the American dream is to stay in school and educate themselves including learning to read and comprehend and speak as an educated person speaks, stay away from illegal substances and activities, dress for success, accept any McJob available and develop a work ethic, experience, references, develop a marketable trade, and more important get married and stay married before having children. . .you are teaching those kids pure poison.

If you aren't telling those kids that they can't control whatever shitty circumstances they were born into but they sure as heck don't have to stay in them their whole life and/or perpetuate them. . .

If you aren't telling those kids that everybody benefits from having a mom and dad in the home and working for what you have as much as possible and that is the surest way to ensure that your own kids won't have to endure the crappy circumstances some of them have had to endure . . .

You are setting them up for failure.

Sounds like in your estimation I am setting them up for success and some. Now tell me what that had to do with me telling them that whites are typically racist and will try to stop you at every turn but you cant give up and give them the satisfaction of seeing their racism keep you down?

You keep telling them that and then wonder why they are messed up and unable to seem to get out of whatever situation they are in.

 

[WEATHER53]

It's the simplistic right wing "view" of things that always means they're right and therefore they don't need to actually deal with any of the problems.

Let’s say you’re president. What are you going to try to do to fix poverty in poor black communities?

I'd focus on poverty that exists in All communities. You can't use tax dollars on the 11 million impoverished blacks and ignore 23 million impoverished Caucs.

Yes, the biggest problem is when one group is seen as having an advantage over another group.

Help society, help Americans, make things better by targeting the PROBLEMS and the country will get better. Carry on the same way the partisan political monsters are doing, and see the country die.

Whites had no problem creating the inequality. Why should they forego their turn on the bottom? I would think it would teach them a lesson.

This guys a troll Paid to be here or just sociopathic
Such stupid stupid shit and the preservation of the myth that slavery has anything to do with the here and now

 

[Asclepias]

Disagree. Denzel hasnt said anything new. This is being said daily in Black communities by many charismatic Black men and women. We know the system is rigged against us so we have to be ten times better, ten times more law abiding, ten times smarter than a white person just to stay even. Denzel is engaging in double speak. He is sending a message to the Black community that whites dont get while at the same time being politically correct...barely. Think of it as dog whistle politics.

Sorry, but I've seen too much of it first hand to believe there are a lot of positive role models out there that people in chaotic neighborhoods would ever be aware of. Most of their role models are like you preaching victimization, raw deal, '****** is to blame" and such and that is heard as justification for anger, violence, lawlessness, hatred, and a waste of time trying to make a difference. That kind of role model is both cruel and perpetuates the situation.

Sorry but I grew up in it. You cant possibly have seen more first hand evidence than I have. Of course ****** is too blame for the environment but it is on us to circumvent and overcome your bullshit white racism. This is what Denzel is saying in so many words. its like I tell so many of the kids I mentor. OK ****** got everything on lock and causing you to have a hard time. So what are you going to do now? Lay down and whine or find a way around it?

If you are not telling the kids that the legal battles have been won and now it is up to them to take advantage of the just laws they now live under. . .

If you are not telling the kids that the best chance they have to live the American dream is to stay in school and educate themselves including learning to read and comprehend and speak as an educated person speaks, stay away from illegal substances and activities, dress for success, accept any McJob available and develop a work ethic, experience, references, develop a marketable trade, and more important get married and stay married before having children. . .you are teaching those kids pure poison.

If you aren't telling those kids that they can't control whatever shitty circumstances they were born into but they sure as heck don't have to stay in them their whole life and/or perpetuate them. . .

If you aren't telling those kids that everybody benefits from having a mom and dad in the home and working for what you have as much as possible and that is the surest way to ensure that your own kids won't have to endure the crappy circumstances some of them have had to endure . . .

You are setting them up for failure.

Sounds like in your estimation I am setting them up for success and some. Now tell me what that had to do with me telling them that whites are typically racist and will try to stop you at every turn but you cant give up and give them the satisfaction of seeing their racism keep you down?

You keep telling them that and then wonder why they are messed up and unable to seem to get out of whatever situation they are in.

All the kids I tell that to succeed. The ones that havent got the message are the ones that seem to be struggling. I'm going on my 9th academic scholarship earning kid. I have about 7 I have put into the IT field. Its like I have the Midas touch. They understand what they are up against (white racism) and they have the tools to deal with it.

 

[Asclepias]

It's the simplistic right wing "view" of things that always means they're right and therefore they don't need to actually deal with any of the problems.

Let’s say you’re president. What are you going to try to do to fix poverty in poor black communities?

I'd focus on poverty that exists in All communities. You can't use tax dollars on the 11 million impoverished blacks and ignore 23 million impoverished Caucs.

Yes, the biggest problem is when one group is seen as having an advantage over another group.

Help society, help Americans, make things better by targeting the PROBLEMS and the country will get better. Carry on the same way the partisan political monsters are doing, and see the country die.

Whites had no problem creating the inequality. Why should they forego their turn on the bottom? I would think it would teach them a lesson.

This guys a troll Paid to be here
Such stupid stupid shit and the preservation of the myth that slavery has anything to do with the here and now

Paid? You mean I can get paid to post here?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Let’s say you’re president. What are you going to try to do to fix poverty in poor black communities?

I'd focus on poverty that exists in All communities. You can't use tax dollars on the 11 million impoverished blacks and ignore 23 million impoverished Caucs.

Yes, the biggest problem is when one group is seen as having an advantage over another group.

Help society, help Americans, make things better by targeting the PROBLEMS and the country will get better. Carry on the same way the partisan political monsters are doing, and see the country die.

Whites had no problem creating the inequality. Why should they forego their turn on the bottom? I would think it would teach them a lesson.

I'm more into equality than vengeance.

So youre for wealth redistribution then. Thats fine with me but I dont think the education whites need regarding equality would really be learned. I think it would just make them angry everyone was on a equal level. There has to be some pain for the lesson to be accurately understood.

No, not really.

I'm perfectly fine with people making their own money and paying for things with their own money.

Where I'm for socialist policies is with things like health care. Why? Because our bodies aren't cars, they're essential for living. We don't get to choose our body or our health.

The privatized health care in the US doesn't give a shit about people with pre-existing conditions, people born with problems, like health care problems and the Prisons end up taking up the slack.

Look, you take the fact that the US Federal Govt spends MORE on healthcare than the UK govt does (which has a single payer system) and then you add up how much the 50%+ people in US prisons with mental problems cost the country, and you'd realize that actually, a single payer healthcare system would actually be CHEAPER for the people.

But the rich are so fucking selfish, they actually end up spending more to make themselves feel like they're spending less.Go figure, and to make a system that is complete bullshit.

Where the rich really get rich is by A) keeping the poor really poor so they can't earn wages and B) making their kids find it easier to do well by giving them a massive head start because their kids get a better education and because they're walking into corporations which are paying so little in tax they might be being paid by the govt to work.

I'm for equality. I'm for the small guy standing a chance to make it in society because he can make a business that isn't competing against massive odds. I'm for people paying their fair share of taxes.

 

[Asclepias]

I'd focus on poverty that exists in All communities. You can't use tax dollars on the 11 million impoverished blacks and ignore 23 million impoverished Caucs.

Yes, the biggest problem is when one group is seen as having an advantage over another group.

Help society, help Americans, make things better by targeting the PROBLEMS and the country will get better. Carry on the same way the partisan political monsters are doing, and see the country die.

Whites had no problem creating the inequality. Why should they forego their turn on the bottom? I would think it would teach them a lesson.

I'm more into equality than vengeance.

So youre for wealth redistribution then. Thats fine with me but I dont think the education whites need regarding equality would really be learned. I think it would just make them angry everyone was on a equal level. There has to be some pain for the lesson to be accurately understood.

No, not really.

I'm perfectly fine with people making their own money and paying for things with their own money.

Where I'm for socialist policies is with things like health care. Why? Because our bodies aren't cars, they're essential for living. We don't get to choose our body or our health.

The privatized health care in the US doesn't give a shit about people with pre-existing conditions, people born with problems, like health care problems and the Prisons end up taking up the slack.

Look, you take the fact that the US Federal Govt spends MORE on healthcare than the UK govt does (which has a single payer system) and then you add up how much the 50%+ people in US prisons with mental problems cost the country, and you'd realize that actually, a single payer healthcare system would actually be CHEAPER for the people.

But the rich are so fucking selfish, they actually end up spending more to make themselves feel like they're spending less.Go figure, and to make a system that is complete bullshit.

Where the rich really get rich is by A) keeping the poor really poor so they can't earn wages and B) making their kids find it easier to do well by giving them a massive head start because their kids get a better education and because they're walking into corporations which are paying so little in tax they might be being paid by the govt to work.

I'm for equality. I'm for the small guy standing a chance to make it in society because he can make a business that isn't competing against massive odds. I'm for people paying their fair share of taxes.

So lets examine that dynamic from a racial aspect. Whites own the vast majority of opportunities and resources. What could possibly change that dynamic you are speaking of? Basically the rich just get richer and the poor get poorer?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yes, the biggest problem is when one group is seen as having an advantage over another group.

Help society, help Americans, make things better by targeting the PROBLEMS and the country will get better. Carry on the same way the partisan political monsters are doing, and see the country die.

Whites had no problem creating the inequality. Why should they forego their turn on the bottom? I would think it would teach them a lesson.

I'm more into equality than vengeance.

So youre for wealth redistribution then. Thats fine with me but I dont think the education whites need regarding equality would really be learned. I think it would just make them angry everyone was on a equal level. There has to be some pain for the lesson to be accurately understood.

No, not really.

I'm perfectly fine with people making their own money and paying for things with their own money.

Where I'm for socialist policies is with things like health care. Why? Because our bodies aren't cars, they're essential for living. We don't get to choose our body or our health.

The privatized health care in the US doesn't give a shit about people with pre-existing conditions, people born with problems, like health care problems and the Prisons end up taking up the slack.

Look, you take the fact that the US Federal Govt spends MORE on healthcare than the UK govt does (which has a single payer system) and then you add up how much the 50%+ people in US prisons with mental problems cost the country, and you'd realize that actually, a single payer healthcare system would actually be CHEAPER for the people.

But the rich are so fucking selfish, they actually end up spending more to make themselves feel like they're spending less.Go figure, and to make a system that is complete bullshit.

Where the rich really get rich is by A) keeping the poor really poor so they can't earn wages and B) making their kids find it easier to do well by giving them a massive head start because their kids get a better education and because they're walking into corporations which are paying so little in tax they might be being paid by the govt to work.

I'm for equality. I'm for the small guy standing a chance to make it in society because he can make a business that isn't competing against massive odds. I'm for people paying their fair share of taxes.

So lets examine that dynamic from a racial aspect. Whites own the vast majority of opportunities and resources. What could possibly change that dynamic you are speaking of? Basically the rich just get richer and the poor get poorer?

What could change this dynamic?

Number one, change the way people vote. Right now it's playing into the rich people's hands. They have two parties, they can literally control these people easily, because upstart parties can't do anything.

Change to PR. It would reduce the Repocrats 98% of the vote to possibly around 66% of the vote. This would mean that each party would get somewhere in the region of 33% of the vote. They'd also get 33% of the seats, more or less, and they'd have to for coalitions with other parties.

It'd also mean a Republican in California would have their vote counted and a Democrat in Wyoming too.

It would also mean that issues that impact THE PEOPLE get heard in Congress, whereas right now they're wiping the cum off their faces from voting for massive tax cuts for their handlers who'll pay them handsomely for doing their work.

This would mean that education would be taken more seriously. The Koch brothers could spend a ton of money telling people what to think, but it would have far less of an impact because other parties would be able to tell them otherwise and get national attention.

Changes would happen and the people would have more control.

 

[Asclepias]

Whites had no problem creating the inequality. Why should they forego their turn on the bottom? I would think it would teach them a lesson.

I'm more into equality than vengeance.

So youre for wealth redistribution then. Thats fine with me but I dont think the education whites need regarding equality would really be learned. I think it would just make them angry everyone was on a equal level. There has to be some pain for the lesson to be accurately understood.

No, not really.

I'm perfectly fine with people making their own money and paying for things with their own money.

Where I'm for socialist policies is with things like health care. Why? Because our bodies aren't cars, they're essential for living. We don't get to choose our body or our health.

The privatized health care in the US doesn't give a shit about people with pre-existing conditions, people born with problems, like health care problems and the Prisons end up taking up the slack.

Look, you take the fact that the US Federal Govt spends MORE on healthcare than the UK govt does (which has a single payer system) and then you add up how much the 50%+ people in US prisons with mental problems cost the country, and you'd realize that actually, a single payer healthcare system would actually be CHEAPER for the people.

But the rich are so fucking selfish, they actually end up spending more to make themselves feel like they're spending less.Go figure, and to make a system that is complete bullshit.

Where the rich really get rich is by A) keeping the poor really poor so they can't earn wages and B) making their kids find it easier to do well by giving them a massive head start because their kids get a better education and because they're walking into corporations which are paying so little in tax they might be being paid by the govt to work.

I'm for equality. I'm for the small guy standing a chance to make it in society because he can make a business that isn't competing against massive odds. I'm for people paying their fair share of taxes.

So lets examine that dynamic from a racial aspect. Whites own the vast majority of opportunities and resources. What could possibly change that dynamic you are speaking of? Basically the rich just get richer and the poor get poorer?

What could change this dynamic?

Number one, change the way people vote. Right now it's playing into the rich people's hands. They have two parties, they can literally control these people easily, because upstart parties can't do anything.

Change to PR. It would reduce the Repocrats 98% of the vote to possibly around 66% of the vote. This would mean that each party would get somewhere in the region of 33% of the vote. They'd also get 33% of the seats, more or less, and they'd have to for coalitions with other parties.

It'd also mean a Republican in California would have their vote counted and a Democrat in Wyoming too.

It would also mean that issues that impact THE PEOPLE get heard in Congress, whereas right now they're wiping the cum off their faces from voting for massive tax cuts for their handlers who'll pay them handsomely for doing their work.

This would mean that education would be taken more seriously. The Koch brothers could spend a ton of money telling people what to think, but it would have far less of an impact because other parties would be able to tell them otherwise and get national attention.

Changes would happen and the people would have more control.

I admire your optimism. I think the thing that makes this unfeasible is human nature. What you would really need is a giant zapper like the one they had in that movie Men In Black. Someone would have to get everyone to look at it and zap all americans memories. That would be the only way to have a clean start. It seems to me that whites as a group focus mainly on making sure they stay in control. the haves vs everyone elses have nots. Just as the founders of this nation intended them to do.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I'm more into equality than vengeance.

So youre for wealth redistribution then. Thats fine with me but I dont think the education whites need regarding equality would really be learned. I think it would just make them angry everyone was on a equal level. There has to be some pain for the lesson to be accurately understood.

No, not really.

I'm perfectly fine with people making their own money and paying for things with their own money.

Where I'm for socialist policies is with things like health care. Why? Because our bodies aren't cars, they're essential for living. We don't get to choose our body or our health.

The privatized health care in the US doesn't give a shit about people with pre-existing conditions, people born with problems, like health care problems and the Prisons end up taking up the slack.

Look, you take the fact that the US Federal Govt spends MORE on healthcare than the UK govt does (which has a single payer system) and then you add up how much the 50%+ people in US prisons with mental problems cost the country, and you'd realize that actually, a single payer healthcare system would actually be CHEAPER for the people.

But the rich are so fucking selfish, they actually end up spending more to make themselves feel like they're spending less.Go figure, and to make a system that is complete bullshit.

Where the rich really get rich is by A) keeping the poor really poor so they can't earn wages and B) making their kids find it easier to do well by giving them a massive head start because their kids get a better education and because they're walking into corporations which are paying so little in tax they might be being paid by the govt to work.

I'm for equality. I'm for the small guy standing a chance to make it in society because he can make a business that isn't competing against massive odds. I'm for people paying their fair share of taxes.

So lets examine that dynamic from a racial aspect. Whites own the vast majority of opportunities and resources. What could possibly change that dynamic you are speaking of? Basically the rich just get richer and the poor get poorer?

What could change this dynamic?

Number one, change the way people vote. Right now it's playing into the rich people's hands. They have two parties, they can literally control these people easily, because upstart parties can't do anything.

Change to PR. It would reduce the Repocrats 98% of the vote to possibly around 66% of the vote. This would mean that each party would get somewhere in the region of 33% of the vote. They'd also get 33% of the seats, more or less, and they'd have to for coalitions with other parties.

It'd also mean a Republican in California would have their vote counted and a Democrat in Wyoming too.

It would also mean that issues that impact THE PEOPLE get heard in Congress, whereas right now they're wiping the cum off their faces from voting for massive tax cuts for their handlers who'll pay them handsomely for doing their work.

This would mean that education would be taken more seriously. The Koch brothers could spend a ton of money telling people what to think, but it would have far less of an impact because other parties would be able to tell them otherwise and get national attention.

Changes would happen and the people would have more control.

I admire your optimism. I think the thing that makes this unfeasible is human nature. What you would really need is a giant zapper like the one they had in that movie Men In Black. Someone would have to get everyone to look at it and zap all americans memories. That would be the only way to have a clean start. It seems to me that whites as a group focus mainly on making sure they stay in control. the haves vs everyone elses have nots. Just as the founders of this nation intended them to do.

It's something that would take time, but it would work. The current system is NEGATIVE voting. PR is POSITIVE voting. We know this because the Germans vote TWICE on the same day, once PR and once FPTP and 2017 saw 8% change their votes from bog parties to small parties and 2013 saw 10% change their votes.

 

[Asclepias]

So youre for wealth redistribution then. Thats fine with me but I dont think the education whites need regarding equality would really be learned. I think it would just make them angry everyone was on a equal level. There has to be some pain for the lesson to be accurately understood.

No, not really.

I'm perfectly fine with people making their own money and paying for things with their own money.

Where I'm for socialist policies is with things like health care. Why? Because our bodies aren't cars, they're essential for living. We don't get to choose our body or our health.

The privatized health care in the US doesn't give a shit about people with pre-existing conditions, people born with problems, like health care problems and the Prisons end up taking up the slack.

Look, you take the fact that the US Federal Govt spends MORE on healthcare than the UK govt does (which has a single payer system) and then you add up how much the 50%+ people in US prisons with mental problems cost the country, and you'd realize that actually, a single payer healthcare system would actually be CHEAPER for the people.

But the rich are so fucking selfish, they actually end up spending more to make themselves feel like they're spending less.Go figure, and to make a system that is complete bullshit.

Where the rich really get rich is by A) keeping the poor really poor so they can't earn wages and B) making their kids find it easier to do well by giving them a massive head start because their kids get a better education and because they're walking into corporations which are paying so little in tax they might be being paid by the govt to work.

I'm for equality. I'm for the small guy standing a chance to make it in society because he can make a business that isn't competing against massive odds. I'm for people paying their fair share of taxes.

So lets examine that dynamic from a racial aspect. Whites own the vast majority of opportunities and resources. What could possibly change that dynamic you are speaking of? Basically the rich just get richer and the poor get poorer?

What could change this dynamic?

Number one, change the way people vote. Right now it's playing into the rich people's hands. They have two parties, they can literally control these people easily, because upstart parties can't do anything.

Change to PR. It would reduce the Repocrats 98% of the vote to possibly around 66% of the vote. This would mean that each party would get somewhere in the region of 33% of the vote. They'd also get 33% of the seats, more or less, and they'd have to for coalitions with other parties.

It'd also mean a Republican in California would have their vote counted and a Democrat in Wyoming too.

It would also mean that issues that impact THE PEOPLE get heard in Congress, whereas right now they're wiping the cum off their faces from voting for massive tax cuts for their handlers who'll pay them handsomely for doing their work.

This would mean that education would be taken more seriously. The Koch brothers could spend a ton of money telling people what to think, but it would have far less of an impact because other parties would be able to tell them otherwise and get national attention.

Changes would happen and the people would have more control.

I admire your optimism. I think the thing that makes this unfeasible is human nature. What you would really need is a giant zapper like the one they had in that movie Men In Black. Someone would have to get everyone to look at it and zap all americans memories. That would be the only way to have a clean start. It seems to me that whites as a group focus mainly on making sure they stay in control. the haves vs everyone elses have nots. Just as the founders of this nation intended them to do.

It's something that would take time, but it would work. The current system is NEGATIVE voting. PR is POSITIVE voting. We know this because the Germans vote TWICE on the same day, once PR and once FPTP and 2017 saw 8% change their votes from bog parties to small parties and 2013 saw 10% change their votes.

I should have asked. What is PR and what is FPTP?

 

[frigidweirdo]

No, not really.

I'm perfectly fine with people making their own money and paying for things with their own money.

Where I'm for socialist policies is with things like health care. Why? Because our bodies aren't cars, they're essential for living. We don't get to choose our body or our health.

The privatized health care in the US doesn't give a shit about people with pre-existing conditions, people born with problems, like health care problems and the Prisons end up taking up the slack.

Look, you take the fact that the US Federal Govt spends MORE on healthcare than the UK govt does (which has a single payer system) and then you add up how much the 50%+ people in US prisons with mental problems cost the country, and you'd realize that actually, a single payer healthcare system would actually be CHEAPER for the people.

But the rich are so fucking selfish, they actually end up spending more to make themselves feel like they're spending less.Go figure, and to make a system that is complete bullshit.

Where the rich really get rich is by A) keeping the poor really poor so they can't earn wages and B) making their kids find it easier to do well by giving them a massive head start because their kids get a better education and because they're walking into corporations which are paying so little in tax they might be being paid by the govt to work.

I'm for equality. I'm for the small guy standing a chance to make it in society because he can make a business that isn't competing against massive odds. I'm for people paying their fair share of taxes.

So lets examine that dynamic from a racial aspect. Whites own the vast majority of opportunities and resources. What could possibly change that dynamic you are speaking of? Basically the rich just get richer and the poor get poorer?

What could change this dynamic?

Number one, change the way people vote. Right now it's playing into the rich people's hands. They have two parties, they can literally control these people easily, because upstart parties can't do anything.

Change to PR. It would reduce the Repocrats 98% of the vote to possibly around 66% of the vote. This would mean that each party would get somewhere in the region of 33% of the vote. They'd also get 33% of the seats, more or less, and they'd have to for coalitions with other parties.

It'd also mean a Republican in California would have their vote counted and a Democrat in Wyoming too.

It would also mean that issues that impact THE PEOPLE get heard in Congress, whereas right now they're wiping the cum off their faces from voting for massive tax cuts for their handlers who'll pay them handsomely for doing their work.

This would mean that education would be taken more seriously. The Koch brothers could spend a ton of money telling people what to think, but it would have far less of an impact because other parties would be able to tell them otherwise and get national attention.

Changes would happen and the people would have more control.

I admire your optimism. I think the thing that makes this unfeasible is human nature. What you would really need is a giant zapper like the one they had in that movie Men In Black. Someone would have to get everyone to look at it and zap all americans memories. That would be the only way to have a clean start. It seems to me that whites as a group focus mainly on making sure they stay in control. the haves vs everyone elses have nots. Just as the founders of this nation intended them to do.

It's something that would take time, but it would work. The current system is NEGATIVE voting. PR is POSITIVE voting. We know this because the Germans vote TWICE on the same day, once PR and once FPTP and 2017 saw 8% change their votes from bog parties to small parties and 2013 saw 10% change their votes.

I should have asked. What is PR and what is FPTP?

PR is Proportional Representation and FPTP is First Past the Post.

Proportional representation - Wikipedia

First-past-the-post voting - Wikipedia

 

[sealybobo]

It's the simplistic right wing "view" of things that always means they're right and therefore they don't need to actually deal with any of the problems.

Let’s say you’re president. What are you going to try to do to fix poverty in poor black communities?

I'd focus on poverty that exists in All communities. You can't use tax dollars on the 11 million impoverished blacks and ignore 23 million impoverished Caucs.

Do you want no one to live in poverty? That’d be nice but unrealistic

 

[sealybobo]

It's the simplistic right wing "view" of things that always means they're right and therefore they don't need to actually deal with any of the problems.

Let’s say you’re president. What are you going to try to do to fix poverty in poor black communities?

I'd focus on poverty that exists in All communities. You can't use tax dollars on the 11 million impoverished blacks and ignore 23 million impoverished Caucs.

Yes, the biggest problem is when one group is seen as having an advantage over another group.

Help society, help Americans, make things better by targeting the PROBLEMS and the country will get better. Carry on the same way the partisan political monsters are doing, and see the country die.

Whites had no problem creating the inequality. Why should they forego their turn on the bottom? I would think it would teach them a lesson.

Good luck