Democrats' Wisconsin Worry

[theDoctorisIn]

Nobody is interested in hearing you talk about yourself.

You either believe in restricting free speech, or you don't.

Only in fantasy land is anything that cut-and-dried.

I believe in some restrictions on free speech - and so do you, I'm assuming.

Is it free speech to walk up to bank teller and say "Give me all the money, I've got a bomb in my pack"?

Don't be such a moron. We aren't talking about yelling fire in a crowded theater.

Well, sure we are.

You said:

You either believe in restricting free speech, or you don't.

And I say, it's not that simple.

 

[rdean]

Hilarious that Republicans say they want states rights, but their party takes many millions in outside money. They know they can't win without it. What are they going to run on? We fucked your state, vote for us.

 

[American_Jihad]

Your article is nonsense. It's an Op-Ed written by someone who has no idea what's going on in the race.

The DNC hasn't given Barrett any of the money that he's asked for, and apparently never even wanted to recall Walker.

This is Big Labor's party. They're the ones who want Walker out, not the DNC (I'm sure they wouldn't mind, but it's certainly not a priority).

Then do what liberals do best and correct him on his article, hey while your at it correct his grammar and spelling to...

That'd require too much effort.

Instead, I'll correct you when you recite his article on this message board.

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[SniperFire]

Only in fantasy land is anything that cut-and-dried.

I believe in some restrictions on free speech - and so do you, I'm assuming.

Is it free speech to walk up to bank teller and say "Give me all the money, I've got a bomb in my pack"?

Don't be such a moron. We aren't talking about yelling fire in a crowded theater.

Well, sure we are.

You said:

You either believe in restricting free speech, or you don't.

And I say, it's not that simple.

It is simple, as we both know the speech which criminally infringes on the rights of others which we both gave example has nothing to do with Citizen United.

You are obfuscating.

 

[JDzBrain]

Your article is nonsense. It's an Op-Ed written by someone who has no idea what's going on in the race.

The DNC hasn't given Barrett any of the money that he's asked for, and apparently never even wanted to recall Walker.

This is Big Labor's party. They're the ones who want Walker out, not the DNC (I'm sure they wouldn't mind, but it's certainly not a priority).

Ok bright guy. Let's just get a couple things straight. First, what you are engaging in...and I suspect knowingly...is what's known as plausible deny-ability. You know...like the emails that Obama had issued so if it went wrong when the SEAL team went into Pakistan to kill Bin Laden he could blame it on one of his generals. THAT is what you are doing and it's transparent as hell. If it goes bad...deny, deny, deny that you had anything to do with it.

Here is the problem with that. You say it's labor's party. Well...let's see. If by labor, you mean the SEIU and AFL-CIO...yep, that's pretty much it. But let's look at that. Just who is the head of the head of the AFL-CIO...oh yeah, Richard Trumpka. And who is it in charge of the SEIU? Oh yeah, Andy Stern. WOW...nope....those two don't have a DAMN thing to do with Obama and the DNC do they?

Let's see, Andy Stern is in Obama's Cabinet and heads Obama's National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. Let's see, sets in on Hussein's weekly cabinet AND is head of one of the two main unions trying to recall Walker. NOPE...no connection there.

And Richard Trumpka has LITERALLY had more visits to the White House than former CIA chief and current Chief at the Pentagon, Robert Gates. Hell, he's spent more time in the Oval office than any two generals combined. Now you tell me, do you think Obama is having him in to discuss national defense instead of David Petraeus. Cause I'm guessing that Trumpka don't know SQUAT about the CIA!

Just putting those two socialist pieces of crap aside, big labor contributed a HALF A BILLION DOLLARS to Obama and the DNC cause in 08. They are bought and paid for by labor...plain and simple!

Dude, that crap you are spouting is disingenuous at BEST!

To be honest, I'm surprised anyone with half a brain would pay someone so obvious to operate anything, especially not their disinformation campaign. But hey, if democrats want to keep throwing good money after bad...GOOD ON UM!!!

 

[Claudette]

Oh, just wait till the season really heats up. It'll be in the news every day again. Already there's at least one thread a day about it here.

What does that have to do with Obama and the DNC, though?

I thought the article was self explanatory, but if you have a beef the author's name is there...

Your article is nonsense. It's an Op-Ed written by someone who has no idea what's going on in the race.

The DNC hasn't given Barrett any of the money that he's asked for, and apparently never even wanted to recall Walker.

This is Big Labor's party. They're the ones who want Walker out, not the DNC (I'm sure they wouldn't mind, but it's certainly not a priority).

I tend to agree that this is mostly Labor and sour grapes.

It took the Dems quite a while to find someone to run against Walker so I'm wondering if your right in that respect as well.

Either way I hope Walker wins in a landslide.

Wonder how many millions Labor has shoveled into WI on this rediculous recall bs??

 

[Conservative]

Hilarious that Republicans say they want states rights, but their party takes many millions in outside money. They know they can't win without it. What are they going to run on? We fucked your state, vote for us.

States rights has ZERO to do with campaign fundraising or finance reform, so you FAIL on that one.

Walkers in-state fundraising outdid Barrett too, so you FAIL on that point as well.

Turning a deficit into a surplus, schools balanced their budgets WITHOUT massive layoffs, jobs beginning to return to WI. Your third point is as massive a FAIL as you are.

That's three. You're out.

 

[skookerasbil]

I think Wisconsin is too close to call at this point. Walker is out-raising Barrett's campaign, but it's not like the AFL-CIO, Change to Win, and all the labor groups are going to spend at least 20 million on anti-Walker PACs. Some of my friends are working in Wisconsin on the recall (against Walker) - SEIU is throwing a lot of money and manpower into Wisconsin.

You can thank Citizen's United for that.

Too close to call?


s0n..........significant union activity pulled out of there two months ago. The election is not even going to be close.


Best buckle up your chinstrap s0n............and by the way, when the election counts start to roll in up there, Im rolling out a vast selection of gay MSPAINT Photobucket Classics to commemorate the union assholes getting pWneD!!! Its the conservative appetizer leading up to November!!!

 

[SniperFire]

I think Wisconsin is too close to call at this point. Walker is out-raising Barrett's campaign, but it's not like the AFL-CIO, Change to Win, and all the labor groups are going to spend at least 20 million on anti-Walker PACs. Some of my friends are working in Wisconsin on the recall (against Walker) - SEIU is throwing a lot of money and manpower into Wisconsin.

You can thank Citizen's United for that.

Too close to call?


s0n..........significant union activity pulled out of there two months ago. The election is not even going to be close.


Best buckle up your chinstrap s0n............and by the way, when the election counts start to roll in up there, Im rolling out a vast selection of gay MSPAINT Photobucket Classics to commemorate the union assholes getting pWneD!!! Its the conservative appetizer leading up to November!!!

' theDoctorisIn' has provided the pre-spinning on this defeat.

Even though a year ago saving the Unions in Wisconsin was the most important issue in Lefty la-la land, the truth is they could actually give a shit about the outcome.


too damn funny.....

 

[Too Tall]

Oh, just wait till the season really heats up. It'll be in the news every day again. Already there's at least one thread a day about it here.

What does that have to do with Obama and the DNC, though?

I thought the article was self explanatory, but if you have a beef the author's name is there...

Your article is nonsense. It's an Op-Ed written by someone who has no idea what's going on in the race.

The DNC hasn't given Barrett any of the money that he's asked for, and apparently never even wanted to recall Walker.

This is Big Labor's party. They're the ones who want Walker out, not the DNC (I'm sure they wouldn't mind, but it's certainly not a priority).

I disagree:

DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz is headed to Wisconsin.

 

[Too Tall]

I think Wisconsin is too close to call at this point. Walker is out-raising Barrett's campaign, but it's not like the AFL-CIO, Change to Win, and all the labor groups are going to spend at least 20 million on anti-Walker PACs. Some of my friends are working in Wisconsin on the recall (against Walker) - SEIU is throwing a lot of money and manpower into Wisconsin.

You can thank Citizen's United for that.

Too close to call?


s0n..........significant union activity pulled out of there two months ago. The election is not even going to be close.


Best buckle up your chinstrap s0n............and by the way, when the election counts start to roll in up there, Im rolling out a vast selection of gay MSPAINT Photobucket Classics to commemorate the union assholes getting pWneD!!! Its the conservative appetizer leading up to November!!!

' theDoctorisIn' has provided the pre-spinning on this defeat.

Even though a year ago saving the Unions in Wisconsin was the most important issue in Lefty la-la land, the truth is they could actually give a shit about the outcome.


too damn funny.....

Good catch, and who does he think gives millions of dollars to the Obama campaign? That would be the Unions.

 

[naturegirl]

I thought the article was self explanatory, but if you have a beef the author's name is there...

Your article is nonsense. It's an Op-Ed written by someone who has no idea what's going on in the race.

The DNC hasn't given Barrett any of the money that he's asked for, and apparently never even wanted to recall Walker.

This is Big Labor's party. They're the ones who want Walker out, not the DNC (I'm sure they wouldn't mind, but it's certainly not a priority).

I disagree:

DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz is headed to Wisconsin.

Do you really think she can help??

 

[JDzBrain]

Do you really think she can help??

Yep...she WILL help solidify conservatives libertarians, independents and TEA Party types against the progressive movement in WI for years to come!

She is NUTS!!! ;~)

 

[Listening]

Hilarious that Republicans say they want states rights, but their party takes many millions in outside money. They know they can't win without it. What are they going to run on? We fucked your state, vote for us.

Hey Brainless...how did Walker screw the state ?

By virtually every objective measure, Walker has been an extraordinarily successful governor. In just 16 months, the state has erased a $3.6 billion budget deficit, and according to figures released this month by the Wisconsin Department of Revenue, it will have a $154.5 million surplus on June 30, 2013. Property taxes, which had risen by more than 40 percent since 1998, are down for the first time in years.

The unemployment rate is down from 7.7 percent when Walker took office in January 2011 to 6.7 percent in April 2012. Last week, the state’s Department of Workforce Development released numbers showing that Wisconsin had gained some
23,000 jobs in 2011—correcting a misleading earlier report suggesting the state had lost more than 30,000 jobs over the same period.

The subjective measures look good for Walker, too. On the stump, Walker is fond of citing Chief Executive magazine, which had ranked Wisconsin as the 41st-best state for business in 2010 and now ranks it 20th. Walker also points to a survey by Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce that found only 10 percent of business owners thought the state was headed in the right direction in 2010, while an eye-popping 94 percent think so today.http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/high-noon-wisconsin_645176.html?page=2

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Every state should be so lucky.

 

[Too Tall]

Your article is nonsense. It's an Op-Ed written by someone who has no idea what's going on in the race.

The DNC hasn't given Barrett any of the money that he's asked for, and apparently never even wanted to recall Walker.

This is Big Labor's party. They're the ones who want Walker out, not the DNC (I'm sure they wouldn't mind, but it's certainly not a priority).

I disagree:

DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz is headed to Wisconsin.

Do you really think she can help??

My point is that the DNC wouldn't send their Chairwoman to Wi if getting Walker out wasn't a priority. And, she might help if she stays in Madison or Milwaukee which are liberal hotbeds. If she went to my home town in Wi they would probably tar and feather her.

 

[Too Tall]

Do you really think she can help??

Yep...she WILL help solidify conservatives libertarians, independents and TEA Party types against the progressive movement in WI for years to come!

She is NUTS!!! ;~)

Agreed!

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I think Wisconsin is too close to call at this point. Walker is out-raising Barrett's campaign, but it's not like the AFL-CIO, Change to Win, and all the labor groups are going to spend at least 20 million on anti-Walker PACs. Some of my friends are working in Wisconsin on the recall (against Walker) - SEIU is throwing a lot of money and manpower into Wisconsin.

You can thank Citizen's United for that.

Too close to call?


s0n..........significant union activity pulled out of there two months ago. The election is not even going to be close.


Best buckle up your chinstrap s0n............and by the way, when the election counts start to roll in up there, Im rolling out a vast selection of gay MSPAINT Photobucket Classics to commemorate the union assholes getting pWneD!!! Its the conservative appetizer leading up to November!!!

' theDoctorisIn' has provided the pre-spinning on this defeat.

Even though a year ago saving the Unions in Wisconsin was the most important issue in Lefty la-la land, the truth is they could actually give a shit about the outcome.


too damn funny.....

What are you talking about?

The DNC doesn't speak for "the left".

The unions still care about Wisconsin - they're the ones putting money behind Barrett.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I disagree:

DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz is headed to Wisconsin.

Do you really think she can help??

My point is that the DNC wouldn't send their Chairwoman to Wi if getting Walker out wasn't a priority. And, she might help if she stays in Madison or Milwaukee which are liberal hotbeds. If she went to my home town in Wi they would probably tar and feather her.

Do you know what the DNC does, what it's purpose is?

If the DNC cared about the Wisconsin race, they'd give Barrett the money he's been asking for.

So far, they haven't given him anything. That means they don't care.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Your article is nonsense. It's an Op-Ed written by someone who has no idea what's going on in the race.

The DNC hasn't given Barrett any of the money that he's asked for, and apparently never even wanted to recall Walker.

This is Big Labor's party. They're the ones who want Walker out, not the DNC (I'm sure they wouldn't mind, but it's certainly not a priority).

Ok bright guy. Let's just get a couple things straight. First, what you are engaging in...and I suspect knowingly...is what's known as plausible deny-ability. You know...like the emails that Obama had issued so if it went wrong when the SEAL team went into Pakistan to kill Bin Laden he could blame it on one of his generals. THAT is what you are doing and it's transparent as hell. If it goes bad...deny, deny, deny that you had anything to do with it.

So, you think I'm trying to give Obama plausible deniability, in case Walker losses?

First of all, why would Obama care if Walker lost? How would that be politically damaging to him? Second, why would I care about Obama's "plausible deniability"? I'm not an Obama supporter, I could care less about him.

But I do support the recall of Walker. I'd be a lot happier if Obama and the DNC did throw their weight behind Barrett.

They're not.

Here is the problem with that. You say it's labor's party. Well...let's see. If by labor, you mean the SEIU and AFL-CIO...yep, that's pretty much it. But let's look at that. Just who is the head of the head of the AFL-CIO...oh yeah, Richard Trumpka. And who is it in charge of the SEIU? Oh yeah, Andy Stern. WOW...nope....those two don't have a DAMN thing to do with Obama and the DNC do they?

First off, Andy Stern is no longer the head of SEIU. And the fact that SEIU and AFL give Obama and the DNC money doesn't mean that they're the same thing, no more than the fact the Koch brothers give money to the RNC would make them the same thing.

There are many interest groups in "the left". Obama doesn't support everything that labor does.

Let's see, Andy Stern is in Obama's Cabinet and heads Obama's National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. Let's see, sets in on Hussein's weekly cabinet AND is head of one of the two main unions trying to recall Walker. NOPE...no connection there.

How does that connect Obama to Barrett's campaign?

If Obama was behind Barrett, why hasn't he come out to Wisconsin to campaign for him? Why hasn't the DNC given Barrett any money?

And Richard Trumpka has LITERALLY had more visits to the White House than former CIA chief and current Chief at the Pentagon, Robert Gates. Hell, he's spent more time in the Oval office than any two generals combined. Now you tell me, do you think Obama is having him in to discuss national defense instead of David Petraeus. Cause I'm guessing that Trumpka don't know SQUAT about the CIA!

Just putting those two socialist pieces of crap aside, big labor contributed a HALF A BILLION DOLLARS to Obama and the DNC cause in 08. They are bought and paid for by labor...plain and simple!

Then why hasen't the DNC put any weight at all behind Barrett?

Dude, that crap you are spouting is disingenuous at BEST!

It's reality.

To be honest, I'm surprised anyone with half a brain would pay someone so obvious to operate anything, especially not their disinformation campaign. But hey, if democrats want to keep throwing good money after bad...GOOD ON UM!!!

You're really not getting it, are you? I'll try to simplify it for you.

Obama and the DNC haven't put any effort behind Barrett. If they care so much about the campaign, why haven't they?

 

[Amelia]

Obama and the DNC don't give a shit about this race.

It's labor's party.

Funny. It was all Lefty rag media wanted to talk about a year ago.

Oh, just wait till the season really heats up. It'll be in the news every day again. Already there's at least one thread a day about it here.

What does that have to do with Obama and the DNC, though?

"Season" might not be the right word here. The election is in two weeks.