Democrats Want Trump to go After Employers of Illegal Aliens? Good News! He's Doing Exactly That.

[Seymour Flops]

Here Dr. Phill tells Jake Tapper about witnessing just that kind of operation:



Jake Tapper has become this neutral guy, carefully avoiding pushing the Democratic agenda.

Great if it lasts . . .

 

[Oddball]

Might be a little problematic...E-verify is a train wreck, and methinks it's that way on purpose.

 

[1srelluc]

Might be a little problematic...E-verify is a train wreck, and methinks it's that way on purpose.

Since SCOTUS ruled that corporations are people they should be treated as such.

When a place of employment is raided and illegals are found then also arrest the plant/site manager and hiring staff. Then fine the fuck out of the corporation/LLC.

Do that enough and the US Chamber of Commerce will be all over congress to fix E-Verify.

 

[Oddball]

Since SCOTUS ruled that corporations are people they should be treated as such.

No, corporations are "persons", not people....There's a difference.

https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/17667/meaning-of-the-word-person-and-individual-under-u-s-law

When a place of employment is raided and illegals are found then also arrest the plant/site manager and hiring staff. Then fine the fuck out of the corporation/LLC.

Do that enough and the US Chamber of Commerce will be all over congress to fix E-Verify.

We'll see....we'll see.

 

[Darkwind]

I have no problem with going after employers who hire illegals. But the illegals that are there get deported regardless of what happens to the employer.

 

[citygator]

Trump’s businesses hire tons of illegals.

 

[White 6]

Here Dr. Phill tells Jake Tapper about witnessing just that kind of operation:



Jake Tapper has become this neutral guy, carefully avoiding pushing the Democratic agenda.

Great if it lasts . . .

Going after the employers that knowingly hire illegal is the only thing that will make a dent in it.
The real answer is comprehensive immigration reform, but both parties make too much money off the immigration issue, and it has been this way, all the way back to Ronald Reagan or before.
Sooner or later you have to choose between making more sensible arrangements to get the labor we need legally, or crack down on the ones that hire the illegals. Otherwise, you are just intentionally sponsoring the problem, and enticing the illegals to illegally come or stay for work most naturally born Americans do not want to do. The labor that built my pool were H1B, the pool company arranged for, every year for the pool building season in West Tennessee. But, at the same time, some unscrupulous employers use the H1B program to hire cheaper foriegn labor to replace higher paid American workers. There are problems with the system, that are not being addressed, as all businesses would like to save on labor be it farm labor that Americans do not want to do for the pay rate, or highly skilled technical labor, that did not have a large enough market in the country they came from to employ all the skilled labor being turned out, so will save American Companies money, ofter being trained on specific job by the American workers, they are here to replace. Our system is broken, not really benefitting Americans. On the skill labor side, it is definitely not benefitting American workers, though save millions in pay and benefits expenditure by American companies on technically skilled labor.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Going after the employers that knowingly hire illegal is the only thing that will make a dent in it.

How do you support that claim when illegal border crossings have plummeted under Trump, with no going after of employers of illegal aliens beyond whatever prosecutions were going on under Biden (if any)?

How is a far over fifty percent drop in illegal migration over the border not "a dent?"

The real answer is comprehensive immigration reform, but both parties make too much money off the immigration issue, and it has been this way, all the way back to Ronald Reagan or before.
Sooner or later you have to choose between making more sensible arrangements to get the labor we need legally, or crack down on the ones that hire the illegals. Otherwise, you are just intentionally sponsoring the problem, and enticing the illegals to illegally come or stay for work most naturally born Americans do not want to do. The labor that built my pool were H1B, the pool company arranged for, every year for the pool building season in West Tennessee. But, at the same time, some unscrupulous employers use the H1B program to hire cheaper foriegn labor to replace higher paid American workers. There are problems with the system, that are not being addressed, as all businesses would like to save on labor be it farm labor that Americans do not want to do for the pay rate, or highly skilled technical labor, that did not have a large enough market in the country they came from to employ all the skilled labor being turned out, so will save American Companies money, ofter being trained on specific job by the American workers, they are here to replace. Our system is broken, not really benefitting Americans. On the skill labor side, it is definitely not benefitting American workers, though save millions in pay and benefits expenditure by American companies on technically skilled labor.

Both sides are guilty of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good when it comes to immigration reform. They need to come up with a law that will withstand future attempts by each party to circumvent or simply refuse to enforce it.

But until someone figures out a way to get both sides to come to a workable agreement, the border is best secured at the border, and illegal crossings are best discouraged by going after the illegal aliens so that would be illegals see that they no longer are promised a free ride simply by requesting asylum and ignoring court dates.

We cannot ignore crises like those Biden created just because we with new laws could be passed. Trump has shown how much can be accomplished merely by enforcing the existing laws.

 

[White 6]

How do you support that claim when illegal border crossings have plummeted under Trump, with no going after of employers of illegal aliens beyond whatever prosecutions were going on under Biden (if any)?

How is a far over fifty percent drop in illegal migration over the border not "a dent?"

Both sides are guilty of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good when it comes to immigration reform. They need to come up with a law that will withstand future attempts by each party to circumvent or simply refuse to enforce it.

But until someone figures out a way to get both sides to come to a workable agreement, the border is best secured at the border, and illegal crossings are best discouraged by going after the illegal aliens so that would be illegals see that they no longer are promised a free ride simply by requesting asylum and ignoring court dates.

We cannot ignore crises like those Biden created just because we with new laws could be passed. Trump has shown how much can be accomplished merely by enforcing the existing laws.

Lets see what happens to food prices with no farm workers, before I give you an answer to your first question.

Much of the rest of your piece is spot on. Yes, Biden fucked up the border, and immigration worse than any other president in history. But, I do know, armed marines in the streets is not the answer, unless you want to solve it by creating a military controlled police state.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

We are waiting to see. Nothing of significance to employers has happened.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I think Trump should prioritize the drug and sex traffickers first, the ones collecting SS and Medicaid and the officials signing up Illegals for those benefits, and if someone is hard working and looking to do better, they should be allowed to register as Republican

Just saying

 

[Care4all]

The LAW is suppose to treat all people the same for crimes committed.

President Trump, now allowing illegal migrants who farm to stay, for the farmers that need them, and Hotels and restaurants to keep their illegal alien workers which helps Trump and those in the hospitality industry....

Just by Trump's declaration that farming and hospitality illegal aliens can now stay, would break equal protection under the law..... YOU'RE favoring some illegal groups over others, being allowed to break the law on the books...

This is why we really need immigration reform....increase Hb1,2 for the workers truly needed in the categories of industry that will be short handed.....don't just declare it's ok, MAKE IT OK, under the law.

 

[Blaster]

The LAW is suppose to treat all people the same for crimes committed.

President Trump, now allowing illegal migrants who farm to stay, for the farmers that need them, and Hotels and restaurants to keep their illegal alien workers which helps Trump and those in the hospitality industry....

Just by Trump's declaration that farming and hospitality illegal aliens can now stay, would break equal protection under the law..... YOU'RE favoring some illegal groups over others, being allowed to break the law on the books...

This is why we really need immigration reform....increase Hb1,2 for the workers truly needed in the categories of industry that will be short handed.....don't just declare it's ok, MAKE IT OK, under the law.

Nonsense.

 

[Care4all]

Nonsense.

Why?

 

[Godboy]

Lets see what happens to food prices with no farm workers

You democrats said that when we took away your black slaves. Now youre saying the same thing when we take away your Mexican slaves. It didnt work back then and it wont work now.

 

[Blaster]

Why?

Try being impartial instead of partisan.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Here is what I do not understand about the "go after employers!" talking point:

Two things really:

1) Why are ultra-pro-immigration groups such as the National Immigration Law Center decrying Trump's "attack" on employers, and offering free legal advice to how to deal with ICE entering their work places?

https://www.nilc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/EmployerGuide-NELP-NILC-2017-07.pdf

President Trump’s attack on immigrants affects immigrant workers and
employers. This guide explains:
 the most common immigration actions affecting employers,
 recommendations for how employers can prepare,
 employers’ rights and responsibilities, and
 what employers can do after an Immigration and Customs
Enforcement (ICE) action

2) Why are Democrats and "not Democrats" saying "go after employers" while at the same time, warning that stopping the flow on the border and deporting illegals will push food prices up, and make Hotels and restaurants lose their workers?

Going after employers would also have the same effect on food and hospitality prices, not to mention day care, lawn care, construction, etc.

It is hiring illegals that keeps costs down for those employers. Supposedly, they pass the savings on to us in the form of lower prices.* Therefore, the logic goes, if we get rid of illegals, we will all pay exorbitant prices for eggs and fast food, and have to scrub our own toilets when we stay at hotels.

So, which is it? Do you want employers to hire illegals, or do you want employers to be harshly punished for hiring illegals?

I think I know the real answer, but it makes Democrats seem highly intellectually dishonest. So I don't want to say it, if there might be a less odious explanation.

Democrats?

"Not Democrats?"



*I've seen no evidence that they do anything but pocket the difference.

 

[Care4all]

You democrats said that when we took away your black slaves. Now youre saying the same thing when we take away your Mexican slaves. It didnt work back then and it wont work now.

Ahem....

Those California farmers asking Trump to exempt them for having illegals, ARE REPUBLICAN.



Voters in California’s farm belt, stretching more than 400 miles from Kern County on the south to Tehama County on the north, delivered solid majorities for Donald Trump in this month’s presidential election.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The LAW is suppose to treat all people the same for crimes committed.

Is it?

Then why would a white person who kills a black person be charged with a "Hate Crime" but not the other way around?

President Trump, now allowing illegal migrants who farm to stay, for the farmers that need them, and Hotels and restaurants to keep their illegal alien workers which helps Trump and those in the hospitality industry....

Trump wisely paused deporting employed illegal aliens, to give ICE more resources to go after people like Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who game the system to stay while committing heinous crimes, often against those exact hard-working illegals that Trump is giving a break to.

It seems that Trump can do no right by Democrats, even when he does exactly what they have been demanding.

Just by Trump's declaration that farming and hospitality illegal aliens can now stay, would break equal protection under the law..... YOU'RE favoring some illegal groups over others, being allowed to break the law on the books...

No, because if any of those farm or hospitality workers decided to join gangs and rape children, they would also be prioritized by ICE.

This is why we really need immigration reform....increase Hb1,2 for the workers truly needed in the categories of industry that will be short handed.....don't just declare it's ok, MAKE IT OK, under the law.

Reform yes. But first secure the border and get immigration under control. No sense "reforming" something that we have no control over. We "reformed" Germany starting in 1945. It would have made no sense to reform Germany in 1940, because we had no control over Germany.

 

[Hellokitty]

Going after the employers that knowingly hire illegal is the only thing that will make a dent in it.
The real answer is comprehensive immigration reform, but both parties make too much money off the immigration issue, and it has been this way, all the way back to Ronald Reagan or before.
Sooner or later you have to choose between making more sensible arrangements to get the labor we need legally, or crack down on the ones that hire the illegals. Otherwise, you are just intentionally sponsoring the problem, and enticing the illegals to illegally come or stay for work most naturally born Americans do not want to do. The labor that built my pool were H1B, the pool company arranged for, every year for the pool building season in West Tennessee. But, at the same time, some unscrupulous employers use the H1B program to hire cheaper foriegn labor to replace higher paid American workers. There are problems with the system, that are not being addressed, as all businesses would like to save on labor be it farm labor that Americans do not want to do for the pay rate, or highly skilled technical labor, that did not have a large enough market in the country they came from to employ all the skilled labor being turned out, so will save American Companies money, ofter being trained on specific job by the American workers, they are here to replace. Our system is broken, not really benefitting Americans. On the skill labor side, it is definitely not benefitting American workers, though save millions in pay and benefits expenditure by American companies on technically skilled labor.

I agree with going after the employees, but what should be done with the illegals who had been hired?