Democrats, can you give me a critique on socialism? Whats wrong with it?

[rightwinger]

Damn Mr Nick

It's Saturday night and I'm bored

Can you post the video of your daddy getting tazed again?

 

[JamesInFlorida]

Then why the hell are you posting in defense of socialism now??

Or at least attacking those who disagree with the model??

You may not advocate socialism but you certainly sound like you have a problem with those who have a problem with it.

I'm not defending Socialism-I'm simply saying I don't think the Democrats are advocating Socialism (at the least the majority in congress/elected office). I'm very aware that there is a fringe extreme of the party that does advocate it.

I asked you a very straight forward question with regards to Democrats and Socialism, and so far nobody's answered it. I'm not attacking you-or anybody else on this thread. I'm asking you to back up your claims a little bit with facts.

You ******* serious??

Yeah they don't champion the nanny state and cheer on as Obama hijacks auto industries, creates a cash for clunkers program funded via taxpayers that stimulates UAW and passes a stimulus program in which all Americans have to pay for but go directly to the states in which hire union contractors??

Yeah thats not socialism thats a course of socialist action under the capitalist model.

Yeah, neglect the majority and pander to your voting base.

Last time I checked-the majority of Americans voted him into office.

 

[Moonglow]

I'm not defending Socialism-I'm simply saying I don't think the Democrats are advocating Socialism (at the least the majority in congress/elected office). I'm very aware that there is a fringe extreme of the party that does advocate it.

I asked you a very straight forward question with regards to Democrats and Socialism, and so far nobody's answered it. I'm not attacking you-or anybody else on this thread. I'm asking you to back up your claims a little bit with facts.

You ******* serious??

Yeah they don't champion the nanny state and cheer on as Obama hijacks auto industries, creates a cash for clunkers program funded via taxpayers that stimulates UAW and passes a stimulus program in which all Americans have to pay for but go directly to the states in which hire union contractors??

Yeah thats not socialism thats a course of socialist action under the capitalist model.

Yeah, neglect the majority and pander to your voting base.

Last time I checked-the majority of Americans voted him into office.

unlike the president in 2000.

The USA owns no more stock in GM. All stock used for collateral has been sold off.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Noth'n wrong with a little socialism is there Mr Nick?

I'm sure the victims of culls, purges and famine would have a problem with it.

When did capitalists ever boot or murder their own because they lacked enough resources to live???

Oh yeah... That never happened...

I guess it al depends on what you consider to be socialism doesn't it? If, like most right wingers you consider any money the government spends to help the people, then heck yea....I'm socialist

I am a proud graduate of a socialist school system
I drive on socialist roads
When my house caught fire, a socialist fire department put it out

Now, if you consider socialism to be the government controlling the means of production......then there ain't any of that here

The end result is all that matters not the means...

Are individuals being rewarded with social welfare (as in getting free money)?? YES

Who makes that possible? Republicans or Democrats???

Do people like free money???

Who will they vote for??

Are these asshat democrats who are buying votes attempting to expand their game? Yes

Are these clowns pandering to those with authoritarian ideas such as banning happy meals? YES

Are they doing their best to assure the American public knows they're stupid and and government knows best?? YEP

This is called a slippery slope.............


Sure ban guns - guns are the only ******* thing people have to keep the government in check - gotta get rid of those.

Fat people??? oh yeah that fat ***** Michelle hates them so you must hate them too while she eats her ******* cheese fries..

When the **** are people going to wake up???

This is systematic brainwashing...

 

[Hum Dinger]

Conservatives are always so full of shit when it comes to discussions of socialism.

Thay always use Stalinsim as the example of socialism and say all socialism equals Stalinism.

That's a bunch of BULLSHIT! Stalinism was NOT socialism, it was a facist dictatirship masqurading as socialism - true socialists fought AGAINST Stalin in the Russian civil war. They were imprisoned, excuted and in the case of Trotsky, assasinated.

Socialism is NOT Stalinism.

Until you know what is it that your talking about, please:

 

[Mr.Nick]

I'm not defending Socialism-I'm simply saying I don't think the Democrats are advocating Socialism (at the least the majority in congress/elected office). I'm very aware that there is a fringe extreme of the party that does advocate it.

I asked you a very straight forward question with regards to Democrats and Socialism, and so far nobody's answered it. I'm not attacking you-or anybody else on this thread. I'm asking you to back up your claims a little bit with facts.

You ******* serious??

Yeah they don't champion the nanny state and cheer on as Obama hijacks auto industries, creates a cash for clunkers program funded via taxpayers that stimulates UAW and passes a stimulus program in which all Americans have to pay for but go directly to the states in which hire union contractors??

Yeah thats not socialism thats a course of socialist action under the capitalist model.

Yeah, neglect the majority and pander to your voting base.

Last time I checked-the majority of Americans voted him into office.

So we can vote tyrants into office now? The president is bound by nothing??

We do have a constitution you know, as well as a Congress.

The president isn't a dictator.

 

[shintao]

I never cease to be amazed at how little people understand about Socialism. What are some of the Socialist movements the Democrats have done in the past oh, let's say 20 years?

As for one thing Democrats oppose about Socialism? The right to choose where you live, and what property you live on (obviously provided you can afford it).

PS-Socialism is when the general public/producers of a product, control/own the means of production-NOT the government. This means by default Socialism is NOT the same thing as Communism. I'd love to hear how Socialism and Communism are the same thing. It's inaccurate to say anyone (or group of people) promote both Socialism, and Communism. In order for this, they would obviously need to be the same thing. So go ahead guys-let's hear it.


I'm not saying I support Socialism or Communism-I don't. But seriously, get educated on the issues. Go read some Marx (I promise it wont kill you).

You don't know what the **** socialism is...

Socialism ALWAYS progresses into communism.

Socialism FAILS like you're seeing today in Europe and the government has no choice but to seize the nation and run a "tight ship" which pretty much means you're in prison from that point on (communism).

Socialism is a dictated economy - it doesn't work.

If you get a ******* baby boom under socialism how does that work??? how to you compensate for the excess??

You have a bad crop season how do you feed the people??

Socialism isn't about creating wealth its about sustaining...

How the **** you going to buy food in a bad growing season from another nation without spending the entitlements??

Thats why all these socialist nations beg for aid, cull or purge when there is a crisis like that.

Wow talk about flying off the deep end. Find me ONE post in ANY of my posts on USMB where I advocate Socialism, or even say aspects of it may be good. ONE.

PS-If Socialism "always" leads to Communism, then by default they are two different systems. (for the record I think Socialism does have quite a bit of potential to reach Communism, I just disagree it always does).

Obviously it does not, and if anything it moves toward Capitalism as many European states have done. The communism BS is just that, retarded scare tactic bs.

 

[rightwinger]

I'm sure the victims of culls, purges and famine would have a problem with it.

When did capitalists ever boot or murder their own because they lacked enough resources to live???

Oh yeah... That never happened...

I guess it al depends on what you consider to be socialism doesn't it? If, like most right wingers you consider any money the government spends to help the people, then heck yea....I'm socialist

I am a proud graduate of a socialist school system
I drive on socialist roads
When my house caught fire, a socialist fire department put it out

Now, if you consider socialism to be the government controlling the means of production......then there ain't any of that here

The end result is all that matters not the means...

Are individuals being rewarded with social welfare (as in getting free money)?? YES

Who makes that possible? Republicans or Democrats???

Do people like free money???

Who will they vote for??

Are these asshat democrats who are buying votes attempting to expand their game? Yes

Are these clowns pandering to those with authoritarian ideas such as banning happy meals? YES

Are they doing their best to assure the American public knows they're stupid and and government knows best?? YEP

This is called a slippery slope.............


Sure ban guns - guns are the only ******* thing people have to keep the government in check - gotta get rid of those.

Fat people??? oh yeah that fat ***** Michelle hates them so you must hate them too while she eats her ******* cheese fries..

When the **** are people going to wake up???

This is systematic brainwashing...

Damn boy.....

I knew you had no concept of what socialism is. I was just waiting for you to prove it to the rest of us

When you going to post the video of your daddy getting tazed?

 

[shintao]

Then why the hell are you posting in defense of socialism now??

Or at least attacking those who disagree with the model??

You may not advocate socialism but you certainly sound like you have a problem with those who have a problem with it.

I'm not defending Socialism-I'm simply saying I don't think the Democrats are advocating Socialism (at the least the majority in congress/elected office). I'm very aware that there is a fringe extreme of the party that does advocate it.

I asked you a very straight forward question with regards to Democrats and Socialism, and so far nobody's answered it. I'm not attacking you-or anybody else on this thread. I'm asking you to back up your claims a little bit with facts.

You ******* serious??

Yeah they don't champion the nanny state and cheer on as Obama hijacks auto industries, creates a cash for clunkers program funded via taxpayers that stimulates UAW and passes a stimulus program in which all Americans have to pay for but go directly to the states in which hire union contractors??

Yeah thats not socialism thats a course of socialist action under the capitalist model.

Yeah, neglect the majority and pander to your voting base.

Of course you have no problem with the military or faith based charities, bailing out corporations or subsidizing them, or consolidating government agencies together towards the centralized government. Are you a closet socialist?

 

[Mr.Nick]

I guess it al depends on what you consider to be socialism doesn't it? If, like most right wingers you consider any money the government spends to help the people, then heck yea....I'm socialist

I am a proud graduate of a socialist school system
I drive on socialist roads
When my house caught fire, a socialist fire department put it out

Now, if you consider socialism to be the government controlling the means of production......then there ain't any of that here

The end result is all that matters not the means...

Are individuals being rewarded with social welfare (as in getting free money)?? YES

Who makes that possible? Republicans or Democrats???

Do people like free money???

Who will they vote for??

Are these asshat democrats who are buying votes attempting to expand their game? Yes

Are these clowns pandering to those with authoritarian ideas such as banning happy meals? YES

Are they doing their best to assure the American public knows they're stupid and and government knows best?? YEP

This is called a slippery slope.............


Sure ban guns - guns are the only ******* thing people have to keep the government in check - gotta get rid of those.

Fat people??? oh yeah that fat ***** Michelle hates them so you must hate them too while she eats her ******* cheese fries..

When the **** are people going to wake up???

This is systematic brainwashing...

Damn boy.....

I knew you had no concept of what socialism is. I was just waiting for you to prove it to the rest of us

When you going to post the video of your daddy getting tazed?

That was not my definition of socialism it was my assertion of how progressive democratically elected officials in the United States use entitlements to buy votes and create the authoritarian nanny state.

Oh you want to see my dad get tazed again you ******* sociopath?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lupF3XCtFzk]‪Tased Execution Style at Home... (Full Video)‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

 

[shintao]

You ******* serious??

Yeah they don't champion the nanny state and cheer on as Obama hijacks auto industries, creates a cash for clunkers program funded via taxpayers that stimulates UAW and passes a stimulus program in which all Americans have to pay for but go directly to the states in which hire union contractors??

Yeah thats not socialism thats a course of socialist action under the capitalist model.

Yeah, neglect the majority and pander to your voting base.

Last time I checked-the majority of Americans voted him into office.

So we can vote tyrants into office now? The president is bound by nothing??

We do have a constitution you know, as well as a Congress.

The president isn't a dictator.

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face, it's just a god damn piece of paper!" George W. Bush

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

"Socialism ALWAYS progresses into communism."

You are a total MORON> Communism has NEVER happened without a violent revolution.

 

[JamesInFlorida]

You ******* serious??

Yeah they don't champion the nanny state and cheer on as Obama hijacks auto industries, creates a cash for clunkers program funded via taxpayers that stimulates UAW and passes a stimulus program in which all Americans have to pay for but go directly to the states in which hire union contractors??

Yeah thats not socialism thats a course of socialist action under the capitalist model.

Yeah, neglect the majority and pander to your voting base.

Last time I checked-the majority of Americans voted him into office.

So we can vote tyrants into office now? The president is bound by nothing??

We do have a constitution you know, as well as a Congress.

The president isn't a dictator.

How has Obama overstepped his constitutional limits?

Other than Libya/Yemen-I agree he overstepped there (but Republicans have overstepped that same exact thing too).

 

[rightwinger]

The end result is all that matters not the means...

Are individuals being rewarded with social welfare (as in getting free money)?? YES

Who makes that possible? Republicans or Democrats???

Do people like free money???

Who will they vote for??

Are these asshat democrats who are buying votes attempting to expand their game? Yes

Are these clowns pandering to those with authoritarian ideas such as banning happy meals? YES

Are they doing their best to assure the American public knows they're stupid and and government knows best?? YEP

This is called a slippery slope.............


Sure ban guns - guns are the only ******* thing people have to keep the government in check - gotta get rid of those.

Fat people??? oh yeah that fat ***** Michelle hates them so you must hate them too while she eats her ******* cheese fries..

When the **** are people going to wake up???

This is systematic brainwashing...

Damn boy.....

I knew you had no concept of what socialism is. I was just waiting for you to prove it to the rest of us

When you going to post the video of your daddy getting tazed?

That was not my definition of socialism it was my assertion of how progressive democratically elected officials in the United States use entitlements to buy votes and create the authoritarian nanny state.

Oh you want to see my dad get tazed again you ******* sociopath?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lupF3XCtFzk]‪Tased Execution Style at Home... (Full Video)‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

Thanks

I love the part where he goads that nice cop into tazing him

 

[Mr.Nick]

I'm not defending Socialism-I'm simply saying I don't think the Democrats are advocating Socialism (at the least the majority in congress/elected office). I'm very aware that there is a fringe extreme of the party that does advocate it.

I asked you a very straight forward question with regards to Democrats and Socialism, and so far nobody's answered it. I'm not attacking you-or anybody else on this thread. I'm asking you to back up your claims a little bit with facts.

You ******* serious??

Yeah they don't champion the nanny state and cheer on as Obama hijacks auto industries, creates a cash for clunkers program funded via taxpayers that stimulates UAW and passes a stimulus program in which all Americans have to pay for but go directly to the states in which hire union contractors??

Yeah thats not socialism thats a course of socialist action under the capitalist model.

Yeah, neglect the majority and pander to your voting base.

Of course you have no problem with the military or faith based charities, bailing out corporations or subsidizing them, or consolidating government agencies together towards the centralized government. Are you a closet socialist?

I don't care what private charities or people do with their money.. Its their money not mine and they can do what they want with it.

Thats called freedom....

No, I'm a libertarian..

 

[Mr.Nick]

Damn boy.....

I knew you had no concept of what socialism is. I was just waiting for you to prove it to the rest of us

When you going to post the video of your daddy getting tazed?

That was not my definition of socialism it was my assertion of how progressive democratically elected officials in the United States use entitlements to buy votes and create the authoritarian nanny state.

Oh you want to see my dad get tazed again you ******* sociopath?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lupF3XCtFzk]‪Tased Execution Style at Home... (Full Video)‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

Thanks

I love the part where he goads that nice cop into tazing him

I know you do because you're an asshole.

You enjoy seeing people get hurt because you're a ******* liberal.

 

[IndependntLogic]

Democrats, can you give me a critique on socialism? Whats wrong with it?

Democrats continually assert they're against socialism and they're really capitalists and they're just not moonbat crazy like the free market guys.

So I'm wondering what democrats find so unappealing about socialism, which social or socioeconomic byproducts of the theory do you find oppressive..

I see this sort of thing from the extreme Right often and for the record, it's a big turn off to Independents. It's like when Liberals say that all Conservatives are Nazis.
Guess what? There is a LOT that Conservatives and The American Nazi / American Socialist (another Nazi party) agree on 100%. As a matter of of fact, the Nazis and Conservatives in this country agree almost exactly on the majority of issues.

I know lots of Liberals and I irritate the sh1t out of them my anti-union attitudes and such. But not one of them is a socialist. That phrase is so over-used it's unreal. Not one of them wants to take away the right to own property, to own a business, to make a profit.
Do they want the government to do things that aren't necessarily supposed to make a profit? Therein lies one difference. Liberals don't think that every single thing done, should be done for a profit. Some things are done to promote the general welfare.

I think we have a great country and for all our problems, I'm still proud of it. I've lived in other countries - including some with VERY LITTLE GOVERNMENT. No thanks. I like this one best.

America has always had social programs. That doesn't mean we're a socialist country.

It's that polar thinking, that identifies the extremes. "If you don't share my philosophy, you must be the other extreme."
"If you don't embrace Conservative values, you're a Socialist."
"If you don't embrace Liberal values, you're a Nazi."
Whatever.

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

The real problem is fascist style Pub demagogues like Rush, Sean, Savage, etc scaring the ignorami with tales of muslim Kenyan Marxists- ya get morons like you people.

 

[rdean]

Democrats, can you give me a critique on socialism? Whats wrong with it?

Democrats continually assert they're against socialism and they're really capitalists and they're just not moonbat crazy like the free market guys.

So I'm wondering what democrats find so unappealing about socialism, which social or socioeconomic byproducts of the theory do you find oppressive..

First, give us your definition of socialism. Let's find out how far away from reality you are starting.

The right wing definition of socialism, I'm assuming, is doing anything that helps fellow Americans or improves American society.

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

"Other than Libya/Yemen-I agree he overstepped there (but Republicans have overstepped that same exact thing too). "

Then you are duped too. He had sixty days to end USA direct involvementm in hostilities- and DID.