Democrats Are Speeding Straight Into A Wall W/ Government Shutdown Plan!

[JimofPennsylvan]

On the Government Shutdown issue Republican Senate Leader John Thune is right and Democrat Senate Leader Chuck Schumer is wrong and it isn't even a close call! The country desperately needs eight "brave and wise" Democrat Senators to recognize this and vote to stop the filibuster on this CR and bring this bill up for a passage vote! Senator Thune is right because the Continuing Resolution (CR) bill that the House passed and the Senate won't pass is essentially a government funding bill that keeps the federal government open through November 21, keeping funding at current levels. Democrats are acting irrational here this is not the time to go to war November 21 is the time when Republicans seek to pass the government funding bill that will fund the government through September 30, 2026. Senator John Thune is right when he says Democrats are acting like they cannot accept yes as an answer, in this CR bill Republicans are not advancing their agenda to cut the Federal Government so they can maintain lower taxes on the wealthy and corporations this is a "postpone the fight to another day" bill and not only should the Democrats sign on to this CR bill they should see it as a victory because it is an acknowledgement that this Republican agenda already implemented in President Trump's second term and slated to be further implemented in Republican's plan for this fiscal year's government funding bill isn't really good public policy and isn't publicly popular!


The Media needs to stop acting like bad media here and stop just creating controversy for ratings sake by acting like the Democrats have a case here and do what is clearly best for the country and call this out for what it is a needless game of chicken created by the Democrats! Democrats instigated by the radical Democrat base argue that now is the time for a big fight because the sign up period for the Affordable Care Act insurance begins November I and so these twenty-two million Americans that get Federal Government help to pay health insurance premiums need to know whether or not they will be getting the enhanced insurance premium credit they got over the last two years which the Democrats are demanding as a condition for them to pass the CR! This point by the Democrats is a half-truth because the insurance enrollment period yes begins on November 1 but does not end until January 15, 2026 so Americans that need this health insurance and the government tax credit can just postpone selecting a plan until after November 21 when the Fiscal Year 2026 government funding bill should have been passed and they will know how much of a tax credit they will be getting. These Democrats could argue that the amount of the tax credit will affect enrollment in various higher end plans on the exchanges and so if the enhanced premium credit is not going to be extended the health insurance providers for these plans on the exchanges are going to want to charge a higher premiums so if this issue isn't addressed now it will cause higher insurance premiums for higher end plans on the exchanges! This is not a significant factor because Republican leadership both Speaker Johnson and Speaker Thune are both saying that in essence Republicans will agree to extend the enhanced premium credit Republicans want to slightly revise the program putting income eligibility limit on the premium credit and making it so that people on the lower income spectrum are at least pay something toward their premium. One aside note I have heard a couple of Republicans take exception with many enrollees for the plans on the exchanges that don't use their health insurance at all like that is a bad thing that needs to be stopped it is like these Republicans don't understand the great benefit of the insurance pool design of health insurance plans; health insurance claims are extremely expensive just the average cost for a hospital stay is $2900 per day, so it is good and desirable public policy that enrollees generally use their health insurance as little as possible so when they really need it like they go into the hospital their insurance company has the revenue in their plan to pay the claim - the underlying concept of insurance pools is non-users help pay for users and this works for non-users because definitely one day they will be users!


The other major point is that Democrats are acting so stupid here using their precious public capital (specifically public support for the Democrats in a government shut down) when they don't have to when they will definitely definitely need it when the Republicans try to pass their Fiscal Year 2026 Government Funding bill? Democrats need to ask themselves what will this Republican FY2026 Funding bill look like; Republicans will not only be seeking to not raise government funding to meet inflation but they are going to be seeking to dramatically cut funding to satisfy their far right caucuses in their Party like the House Freedom Caucus and the Republican Study Committee about budget deficits and the national debt. These anticipated Republican cuts will definitely do some real damage to work the Federal government should be doing. So then the Democrats are going to want to threaten and implement a government shut down to stop real harm to America. Then Democrats don't want an American publica weary from a long government shutdown that began on October 1. Further, Democrats are not ready to fight over government funding that may involve a shutdown because their policy positions have big holes in it and they haven't chosen the wisest positions! Seeking to repeal the Medicaid changes in the Big Beautiful Bill is a losing position because most Americans support able bodied people being required to work to get Medicaid health insurance; Democrats need to tailor their position to say that we want funding to poor hospitals especially rural ones to be maintained so that these hospitals aren't forced to being shuttered or close vital services! Also, Democrats are leaving out an important and strong cause reversing the Big Beautiful bills cuts to the SNAP (food stamp) program, the BBB requires state governments to pick up an additional twenty-five percent of the Administrative costs of the program and financially penalizes states significantly for eligibility mistakes over six percent; states cannot afford to absorb this expense and so this will lead to a lot of eligible Americans not getting SNAP benefits, that is, the working poor not getting this assistance they need to buy food for themselves and their family. This SNAP issue is a winning issue for Democrats because many Republican state government officials across the nation will support the Democrats on this issue they don't want to lose this benefit for their working poor!

 

[Concerned American]

On the Government Shutdown issue Republican Senate Leader John Thune is right and Democrat Senate Leader Chuck Schumer is wrong and it isn't even a close call! The country desperately needs eight "brave and wise" Democrat Senators to recognize this and vote to stop the filibuster on this CR and bring this bill up for a passage vote! Senator Thune is right because the Continuing Resolution (CR) bill that the House passed and the Senate won't pass is essentially a government funding bill that keeps the federal government open through November 21, keeping funding at current levels. Democrats are acting irrational here this is not the time to go to war November 21 is the time when Republicans seek to pass the government funding bill that will fund the government through September 30, 2026. Senator John Thune is right when he says Democrats are acting like they cannot accept yes as an answer, in this CR bill Republicans are not advancing their agenda to cut the Federal Government so they can maintain lower taxes on the wealthy and corporations this is a "postpone the fight to another day" bill and not only should the Democrats sign on to this CR bill they should see it as a victory because it is an acknowledgement that this Republican agenda already implemented in President Trump's second term and slated to be further implemented in Republican's plan for this fiscal year's government funding bill isn't really good public policy and isn't publicly popular!


The Media needs to stop acting like bad media here and stop just creating controversy for ratings sake by acting like the Democrats have a case here and do what is clearly best for the country and call this out for what it is a needless game of chicken created by the Democrats! Democrats instigated by the radical Democrat base argue that now is the time for a big fight because the sign up period for the Affordable Care Act insurance begins November I and so these twenty-two million Americans that get Federal Government help to pay health insurance premiums need to know whether or not they will be getting the enhanced insurance premium credit they got over the last two years which the Democrats are demanding as a condition for them to pass the CR! This point by the Democrats is a half-truth because the insurance enrollment period yes begins on November 1 but does not end until January 15, 2026 so Americans that need this health insurance and the government tax credit can just postpone selecting a plan until after November 21 when the Fiscal Year 2026 government funding bill should have been passed and they will know how much of a tax credit they will be getting. These Democrats could argue that the amount of the tax credit will affect enrollment in various higher end plans on the exchanges and so if the enhanced premium credit is not going to be extended the health insurance providers for these plans on the exchanges are going to want to charge a higher premiums so if this issue isn't addressed now it will cause higher insurance premiums for higher end plans on the exchanges! This is not a significant factor because Republican leadership both Speaker Johnson and Speaker Thune are both saying that in essence Republicans will agree to extend the enhanced premium credit Republicans want to slightly revise the program putting income eligibility limit on the premium credit and making it so that people on the lower income spectrum are at least pay something toward their premium. One aside note I have heard a couple of Republicans take exception with many enrollees for the plans on the exchanges that don't use their health insurance at all like that is a bad thing that needs to be stopped it is like these Republicans don't understand the great benefit of the insurance pool design of health insurance plans; health insurance claims are extremely expensive just the average cost for a hospital stay is $2900 per day, so it is good and desirable public policy that enrollees generally use their health insurance as little as possible so when they really need it like they go into the hospital their insurance company has the revenue in their plan to pay the claim - the underlying concept of insurance pools is non-users help pay for users and this works for non-users because definitely one day they will be users!


The other major point is that Democrats are acting so stupid here using their precious public capital (specifically public support for the Democrats in a government shut down) when they don't have to when they will definitely definitely need it when the Republicans try to pass their Fiscal Year 2026 Government Funding bill? Democrats need to ask themselves what will this Republican FY2026 Funding bill look like; Republicans will not only be seeking to not raise government funding to meet inflation but they are going to be seeking to dramatically cut funding to satisfy their far right caucuses in their Party like the House Freedom Caucus and the Republican Study Committee about budget deficits and the national debt. These anticipated Republican cuts will definitely do some real damage to work the Federal government should be doing. So then the Democrats are going to want to threaten and implement a government shut down to stop real harm to America. Then Democrats don't want an American publica weary from a long government shutdown that began on October 1. Further, Democrats are not ready to fight over government funding that may involve a shutdown because their policy positions have big holes in it and they haven't chosen the wisest positions! Seeking to repeal the Medicaid changes in the Big Beautiful Bill is a losing position because most Americans support able bodied people being required to work to get Medicaid health insurance; Democrats need to tailor their position to say that we want funding to poor hospitals especially rural ones to be maintained so that these hospitals aren't forced to being shuttered or close vital services! Also, Democrats are leaving out an important and strong cause reversing the Big Beautiful bills cuts to the SNAP (food stamp) program, the BBB requires state governments to pick up an additional twenty-five percent of the Administrative costs of the program and financially penalizes states significantly for eligibility mistakes over six percent; states cannot afford to absorb this expense and so this will lead to a lot of eligible Americans not getting SNAP benefits, that is, the working poor not getting this assistance they need to buy food for themselves and their family. This SNAP issue is a winning issue for Democrats because many Republican state government officials across the nation will support the Democrats on this issue they don't want to lose this benefit for their working poor!

TL;DNR

 

[Winston]

On the Government Shutdown issue Republican Senate Leader John Thune is right and Democrat Senate Leader Chuck Schumer is wrong and it isn't even a close call! The country desperately needs eight "brave and wise" Democrat Senators to recognize this and vote to stop the filibuster on this CR and bring this bill up for a passage vote! Senator Thune is right because the Continuing Resolution (CR) bill that the House passed and the Senate won't pass is essentially a government funding bill that keeps the federal government open through November 21, keeping funding at current levels. Democrats are acting irrational here this is not the time to go to war November 21 is the time when Republicans seek to pass the government funding bill that will fund the government through September 30, 2026. Senator John Thune is right when he says Democrats are acting like they cannot accept yes as an answer, in this CR bill Republicans are not advancing their agenda to cut the Federal Government so they can maintain lower taxes on the wealthy and corporations this is a "postpone the fight to another day" bill and not only should the Democrats sign on to this CR bill they should see it as a victory because it is an acknowledgement that this Republican agenda already implemented in President Trump's second term and slated to be further implemented in Republican's plan for this fiscal year's government funding bill isn't really good public policy and isn't publicly popular!


The Media needs to stop acting like bad media here and stop just creating controversy for ratings sake by acting like the Democrats have a case here and do what is clearly best for the country and call this out for what it is a needless game of chicken created by the Democrats! Democrats instigated by the radical Democrat base argue that now is the time for a big fight because the sign up period for the Affordable Care Act insurance begins November I and so these twenty-two million Americans that get Federal Government help to pay health insurance premiums need to know whether or not they will be getting the enhanced insurance premium credit they got over the last two years which the Democrats are demanding as a condition for them to pass the CR! This point by the Democrats is a half-truth because the insurance enrollment period yes begins on November 1 but does not end until January 15, 2026 so Americans that need this health insurance and the government tax credit can just postpone selecting a plan until after November 21 when the Fiscal Year 2026 government funding bill should have been passed and they will know how much of a tax credit they will be getting. These Democrats could argue that the amount of the tax credit will affect enrollment in various higher end plans on the exchanges and so if the enhanced premium credit is not going to be extended the health insurance providers for these plans on the exchanges are going to want to charge a higher premiums so if this issue isn't addressed now it will cause higher insurance premiums for higher end plans on the exchanges! This is not a significant factor because Republican leadership both Speaker Johnson and Speaker Thune are both saying that in essence Republicans will agree to extend the enhanced premium credit Republicans want to slightly revise the program putting income eligibility limit on the premium credit and making it so that people on the lower income spectrum are at least pay something toward their premium. One aside note I have heard a couple of Republicans take exception with many enrollees for the plans on the exchanges that don't use their health insurance at all like that is a bad thing that needs to be stopped it is like these Republicans don't understand the great benefit of the insurance pool design of health insurance plans; health insurance claims are extremely expensive just the average cost for a hospital stay is $2900 per day, so it is good and desirable public policy that enrollees generally use their health insurance as little as possible so when they really need it like they go into the hospital their insurance company has the revenue in their plan to pay the claim - the underlying concept of insurance pools is non-users help pay for users and this works for non-users because definitely one day they will be users!


The other major point is that Democrats are acting so stupid here using their precious public capital (specifically public support for the Democrats in a government shut down) when they don't have to when they will definitely definitely need it when the Republicans try to pass their Fiscal Year 2026 Government Funding bill? Democrats need to ask themselves what will this Republican FY2026 Funding bill look like; Republicans will not only be seeking to not raise government funding to meet inflation but they are going to be seeking to dramatically cut funding to satisfy their far right caucuses in their Party like the House Freedom Caucus and the Republican Study Committee about budget deficits and the national debt. These anticipated Republican cuts will definitely do some real damage to work the Federal government should be doing. So then the Democrats are going to want to threaten and implement a government shut down to stop real harm to America. Then Democrats don't want an American publica weary from a long government shutdown that began on October 1. Further, Democrats are not ready to fight over government funding that may involve a shutdown because their policy positions have big holes in it and they haven't chosen the wisest positions! Seeking to repeal the Medicaid changes in the Big Beautiful Bill is a losing position because most Americans support able bodied people being required to work to get Medicaid health insurance; Democrats need to tailor their position to say that we want funding to poor hospitals especially rural ones to be maintained so that these hospitals aren't forced to being shuttered or close vital services! Also, Democrats are leaving out an important and strong cause reversing the Big Beautiful bills cuts to the SNAP (food stamp) program, the BBB requires state governments to pick up an additional twenty-five percent of the Administrative costs of the program and financially penalizes states significantly for eligibility mistakes over six percent; states cannot afford to absorb this expense and so this will lead to a lot of eligible Americans not getting SNAP benefits, that is, the working poor not getting this assistance they need to buy food for themselves and their family. This SNAP issue is a winning issue for Democrats because many Republican state government officials across the nation will support the Democrats on this issue they don't want to lose this benefit for their working poor!

Your position seems to be that Democrats ought to just hold their nose, vote for the CR, and save the powder in their gun to fight another day, when the 2026 government funding bill is debated. That is completely wrong. Those enhanced premium tax credits are huge for many people.

A perfect example, 62 year old, wants to retire. Best case scenario, live off savings or draw it out of a Roth, show just enough income to qualify for an ACA health plan. With those enhanced subsidies many people got silver plans that were superior to their group health insurance, and they paid little to no premium on the exchange. Now, if those enhanced subsidies are not continued, they are going to get flippin hammered.

Many Republicans can see this train wreck happening. It is going to be some pissed off constituents when their health insurance premium triples. In the face of already stifling grocery prices? No, the smart play is for Republicans to reluctantly agree to the continuation of the subsidies. They don't want to face the consequences if they don't.

Like inflation, it is already getting nasty in the health care world due to the expansive cuts in funding for Medicaid and Medicare, as well as what we are seeing now, the Marketplace plans and the subsidies. One of the largest component of growth in GDP has come from health care services as providers ramp it up, get em in, while they still have insurance because, have no doubt, millions will do without.

Huge chunks of Trump core supporters are now abandoning ship. Soybean farmers, the Chinese market, GONE. ZERO. "We buy no soybeans from you". Yeah, this fall market, nope, Argentina got the business. Gee thanks, "donald". That market is never coming back. China uses it for livestock feed, what, we going to sell it for feed? For what, that huge cattle herd we have?

I mean it is getting real, fast, in the beef market. Supposedly, the DOA is going to step in with a plan. What, did I just say that? Damn, socialist administration. Maybe they will get us an ownership position with JBS, some "golden shares".

But no, the ACA marketplace subsidy, it is a bigass deal. Damn, wonder who said that way back when? It could be a game changer. Republicans on their heels rolling into the spring and coming on tax day. Ouch.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The Democrats are basically flailing at anything trying to become realvant.

It's sad but comical

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I started laughing at.......8 brave and wise dems and couldn't read anymore. Once again, dems hold the country hostage.

 

[Dekster]

The GOP knows this is gonna blow up in their face which is why they are giving so many stern "warnings" to the What Me Care dems.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Your position seems to be that Democrats ought to just hold their nose, vote for the CR, and save the powder in their gun to fight another day, when the 2026 government funding bill is debated. That is completely wrong. Those enhanced premium tax credits are huge for many people.

A perfect example, 62 year old, wants to retire. Best case scenario, live off savings or draw it out of a Roth, show just enough income to qualify for an ACA health plan. With those enhanced subsidies many people got silver plans that were superior to their group health insurance, and they paid little to no premium on the exchange. Now, if those enhanced subsidies are not continued, they are going to get flippin hammered.

By "hammered" you mean that this 62 year old would have to draw more out of her Roth, instead of deliberately drawing less than she would like to in order to preserve this subsidy, paid for in part by taxes on the tips of sub-minimum wage waitresses.

She would only have to do that for less than two years, and then can go on Medicare and not worry about it.

Many Republicans can see this train wreck happening. It is going to be some pissed off constituents when their health insurance premium triples. In the face of already stifling grocery prices? No, the smart play is for Republicans to reluctantly agree to the continuation of the subsidies. They don't want to face the consequences if they don't.

I get that the ACA sucked for most people, as we know that it was designed to shift the burden of healthcare expenses from the sick to the healthy. The enhanced premium tax credits were introduced as a way to partly alleviate that by allowing people to get insurance more comensurate with the free market.

If you really believe that ending those subsidies will be so harmful to so many people, then the strategy would be to let the end happen, and be in a stronger position to negotiate in November.

Just asking, but would a

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

On the Government Shutdown issue Republican Senate Leader John Thune is right and Democrat Senate Leader Chuck Schumer is wrong and it isn't even a close call! The country desperately needs eight "brave and wise" Democrat Senators to recognize this and vote to stop the filibuster on this CR and bring this bill up for a passage vote! Senator Thune is right because the Continuing Resolution (CR) bill that the House passed and the Senate won't pass is essentially a government funding bill that keeps the federal government open through November 21, keeping funding at current levels. Democrats are acting irrational here this is not the time to go to war November 21 is the time when Republicans seek to pass the government funding bill that will fund the government through September 30, 2026. Senator John Thune is right when he says Democrats are acting like they cannot accept yes as an answer, in this CR bill Republicans are not advancing their agenda to cut the Federal Government so they can maintain lower taxes on the wealthy and corporations this is a "postpone the fight to another day" bill and not only should the Democrats sign on to this CR bill they should see it as a victory because it is an acknowledgement that this Republican agenda already implemented in President Trump's second term and slated to be further implemented in Republican's plan for this fiscal year's government funding bill isn't really good public policy and isn't publicly popular!


The Media needs to stop acting like bad media here and stop just creating controversy for ratings sake by acting like the Democrats have a case here and do what is clearly best for the country and call this out for what it is a needless game of chicken created by the Democrats! Democrats instigated by the radical Democrat base argue that now is the time for a big fight because the sign up period for the Affordable Care Act insurance begins November I and so these twenty-two million Americans that get Federal Government help to pay health insurance premiums need to know whether or not they will be getting the enhanced insurance premium credit they got over the last two years which the Democrats are demanding as a condition for them to pass the CR! This point by the Democrats is a half-truth because the insurance enrollment period yes begins on November 1 but does not end until January 15, 2026 so Americans that need this health insurance and the government tax credit can just postpone selecting a plan until after November 21 when the Fiscal Year 2026 government funding bill should have been passed and they will know how much of a tax credit they will be getting. These Democrats could argue that the amount of the tax credit will affect enrollment in various higher end plans on the exchanges and so if the enhanced premium credit is not going to be extended the health insurance providers for these plans on the exchanges are going to want to charge a higher premiums so if this issue isn't addressed now it will cause higher insurance premiums for higher end plans on the exchanges! This is not a significant factor because Republican leadership both Speaker Johnson and Speaker Thune are both saying that in essence Republicans will agree to extend the enhanced premium credit Republicans want to slightly revise the program putting income eligibility limit on the premium credit and making it so that people on the lower income spectrum are at least pay something toward their premium. One aside note I have heard a couple of Republicans take exception with many enrollees for the plans on the exchanges that don't use their health insurance at all like that is a bad thing that needs to be stopped it is like these Republicans don't understand the great benefit of the insurance pool design of health insurance plans; health insurance claims are extremely expensive just the average cost for a hospital stay is $2900 per day, so it is good and desirable public policy that enrollees generally use their health insurance as little as possible so when they really need it like they go into the hospital their insurance company has the revenue in their plan to pay the claim - the underlying concept of insurance pools is non-users help pay for users and this works for non-users because definitely one day they will be users!


The other major point is that Democrats are acting so stupid here using their precious public capital (specifically public support for the Democrats in a government shut down) when they don't have to when they will definitely definitely need it when the Republicans try to pass their Fiscal Year 2026 Government Funding bill? Democrats need to ask themselves what will this Republican FY2026 Funding bill look like; Republicans will not only be seeking to not raise government funding to meet inflation but they are going to be seeking to dramatically cut funding to satisfy their far right caucuses in their Party like the House Freedom Caucus and the Republican Study Committee about budget deficits and the national debt. These anticipated Republican cuts will definitely do some real damage to work the Federal government should be doing. So then the Democrats are going to want to threaten and implement a government shut down to stop real harm to America. Then Democrats don't want an American publica weary from a long government shutdown that began on October 1. Further, Democrats are not ready to fight over government funding that may involve a shutdown because their policy positions have big holes in it and they haven't chosen the wisest positions! Seeking to repeal the Medicaid changes in the Big Beautiful Bill is a losing position because most Americans support able bodied people being required to work to get Medicaid health insurance; Democrats need to tailor their position to say that we want funding to poor hospitals especially rural ones to be maintained so that these hospitals aren't forced to being shuttered or close vital services! Also, Democrats are leaving out an important and strong cause reversing the Big Beautiful bills cuts to the SNAP (food stamp) program, the BBB requires state governments to pick up an additional twenty-five percent of the Administrative costs of the program and financially penalizes states significantly for eligibility mistakes over six percent; states cannot afford to absorb this expense and so this will lead to a lot of eligible Americans not getting SNAP benefits, that is, the working poor not getting this assistance they need to buy food for themselves and their family. This SNAP issue is a winning issue for Democrats because many Republican state government officials across the nation will support the Democrats on this issue they don't want to lose this benefit for their working poor!

Trump is shutting down the government.
You say democrats will shut it down because they’re not giving Republicans what they want. But it could be said that Republicans are shutting it down because they’re not giving Democrats what they want.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Trump is shutting down the government.
You say democrats will shut it down because they’re not giving Republicans what they want. But it could be said that Republicans are shutting it down because they’re not giving Democrats what they want.

It's on Congress...honey. That was telling

 

[Seymour Flops]

Trump is shutting down the government.
You say democrats will shut it down because they’re not giving Republicans what they want. But it could be said that Republicans are shutting it down because they’re not giving Democrats what they want.

Saying that won't work at all.

If the Democrats really do go through with this, it will be Democrats filibustering to keep the government defunded, while Republicans plead in front of the media for some brave Democrats to defy their party and vote for cloture so the CR can be passed and children can get their WIC milk and the like.

As Schumer explained the last time this came up, letting the spending authorization run out will give Trump nearly unlimited powers to take cost cutting measures. I don't doubt for a minute that he will use it as a reason to start firing federal workers. He's done as well as he could ridding the ranks of fedemps of rogue elements, but it's like playing whack-a-mole.

Easy way to do it. Tell fedemps that only the essential ones need to show up, and the rests can just "work from home" and still be entitled to any backpay passed after the Democrats give up and sign the CR.

Then fire anyone who self-identifies as non-essential.

 

[Missourian]

Your position seems to be that Democrats ought to just hold their nose, vote for the CR, and save the powder in their gun to fight another day, when the 2026 government funding bill is debated. That is completely wrong. Those enhanced premium tax credits are huge for many people.

A perfect example, 62 year old, wants to retire. Best case scenario, live off savings or draw it out of a Roth, show just enough income to qualify for an ACA health plan. With those enhanced subsidies many people got silver plans that were superior to their group health insurance, and they paid little to no premium on the exchange. Now, if those enhanced subsidies are not continued, they are going to get flippin hammered.

Many Republicans can see this train wreck happening. It is going to be some pissed off constituents when their health insurance premium triples. In the face of already stifling grocery prices? No, the smart play is for Republicans to reluctantly agree to the continuation of the subsidies. They don't want to face the consequences if they don't.

Like inflation, it is already getting nasty in the health care world due to the expansive cuts in funding for Medicaid and Medicare, as well as what we are seeing now, the Marketplace plans and the subsidies. One of the largest component of growth in GDP has come from health care services as providers ramp it up, get em in, while they still have insurance because, have no doubt, millions will do without.

Huge chunks of Trump core supporters are now abandoning ship. Soybean farmers, the Chinese market, GONE. ZERO. "We buy no soybeans from you". Yeah, this fall market, nope, Argentina got the business. Gee thanks, "donald". That market is never coming back. China uses it for livestock feed, what, we going to sell it for feed? For what, that huge cattle herd we have?

I mean it is getting real, fast, in the beef market. Supposedly, the DOA is going to step in with a plan. What, did I just say that? Damn, socialist administration. Maybe they will get us an ownership position with JBS, some "golden shares".

But no, the ACA marketplace subsidy, it is a bigass deal. Damn, wonder who said that way back when? It could be a game changer. Republicans on their heels rolling into the spring and coming on tax day. Ouch.

Here is what's going to happen if Democrats shut down the government by refusing to pass a clean CR.

Republicans are going to run millions of political ads of Democrats saying how indefensible and evil is would be to shut down the government.

All day and all night every day until they ultimately cave.

Personally, I say go for it. It will only help Republicans will the midterms.

 

[kyzr]

Trump is shutting down the government.
You say democrats will shut it down because they’re not giving Republicans what they want. But it could be said that Republicans are shutting it down because they’re not giving Democrats what they want.

Time for Thune to use the "nuclear option" if democrats want to shut the government.

Then Trump and congress can cut every government agency/department that isn't created by congress.

 

[tahuyaman]

Democrats are never assigned any responsibility for spending or any budgeting issue.

When they are in the majority, it’s always the Republicans for these phony government shut downs.

When they are in the minority they are never responsible in any way.

Then you have a hand full of Republicans who always insist on fighting a losing battle.

 

[tahuyaman]

Trump is shutting down the government…

Two things. First government never shuts down. Second Trump can’t do that. No president can.

 

[whitehall]

Federal shutdown ain't such a bad thing when basic services are still provided as well as the Military. The left wing media is a factor in the blame game. When Clinton shut down the government the media blamed republican House Speaker Gingrich with cruel stuff like "the (ging) Grinch that stole Christmas" and Clinton got a pass. Things have changed but not that much where the liberal media will still blame republicans if a government shutdown happens.

 

[pknopp]

Pay for it or shut it down.

 

[sealybobo]

On the Government Shutdown issue Republican Senate Leader John Thune is right and Democrat Senate Leader Chuck Schumer is wrong and it isn't even a close call! The country desperately needs eight "brave and wise" Democrat Senators to recognize this and vote to stop the filibuster on this CR and bring this bill up for a passage vote! Senator Thune is right because the Continuing Resolution (CR) bill that the House passed and the Senate won't pass is essentially a government funding bill that keeps the federal government open through November 21, keeping funding at current levels. Democrats are acting irrational here this is not the time to go to war November 21 is the time when Republicans seek to pass the government funding bill that will fund the government through September 30, 2026. Senator John Thune is right when he says Democrats are acting like they cannot accept yes as an answer, in this CR bill Republicans are not advancing their agenda to cut the Federal Government so they can maintain lower taxes on the wealthy and corporations this is a "postpone the fight to another day" bill and not only should the Democrats sign on to this CR bill they should see it as a victory because it is an acknowledgement that this Republican agenda already implemented in President Trump's second term and slated to be further implemented in Republican's plan for this fiscal year's government funding bill isn't really good public policy and isn't publicly popular!


The Media needs to stop acting like bad media here and stop just creating controversy for ratings sake by acting like the Democrats have a case here and do what is clearly best for the country and call this out for what it is a needless game of chicken created by the Democrats! Democrats instigated by the radical Democrat base argue that now is the time for a big fight because the sign up period for the Affordable Care Act insurance begins November I and so these twenty-two million Americans that get Federal Government help to pay health insurance premiums need to know whether or not they will be getting the enhanced insurance premium credit they got over the last two years which the Democrats are demanding as a condition for them to pass the CR! This point by the Democrats is a half-truth because the insurance enrollment period yes begins on November 1 but does not end until January 15, 2026 so Americans that need this health insurance and the government tax credit can just postpone selecting a plan until after November 21 when the Fiscal Year 2026 government funding bill should have been passed and they will know how much of a tax credit they will be getting. These Democrats could argue that the amount of the tax credit will affect enrollment in various higher end plans on the exchanges and so if the enhanced premium credit is not going to be extended the health insurance providers for these plans on the exchanges are going to want to charge a higher premiums so if this issue isn't addressed now it will cause higher insurance premiums for higher end plans on the exchanges! This is not a significant factor because Republican leadership both Speaker Johnson and Speaker Thune are both saying that in essence Republicans will agree to extend the enhanced premium credit Republicans want to slightly revise the program putting income eligibility limit on the premium credit and making it so that people on the lower income spectrum are at least pay something toward their premium. One aside note I have heard a couple of Republicans take exception with many enrollees for the plans on the exchanges that don't use their health insurance at all like that is a bad thing that needs to be stopped it is like these Republicans don't understand the great benefit of the insurance pool design of health insurance plans; health insurance claims are extremely expensive just the average cost for a hospital stay is $2900 per day, so it is good and desirable public policy that enrollees generally use their health insurance as little as possible so when they really need it like they go into the hospital their insurance company has the revenue in their plan to pay the claim - the underlying concept of insurance pools is non-users help pay for users and this works for non-users because definitely one day they will be users!


The other major point is that Democrats are acting so stupid here using their precious public capital (specifically public support for the Democrats in a government shut down) when they don't have to when they will definitely definitely need it when the Republicans try to pass their Fiscal Year 2026 Government Funding bill? Democrats need to ask themselves what will this Republican FY2026 Funding bill look like; Republicans will not only be seeking to not raise government funding to meet inflation but they are going to be seeking to dramatically cut funding to satisfy their far right caucuses in their Party like the House Freedom Caucus and the Republican Study Committee about budget deficits and the national debt. These anticipated Republican cuts will definitely do some real damage to work the Federal government should be doing. So then the Democrats are going to want to threaten and implement a government shut down to stop real harm to America. Then Democrats don't want an American publica weary from a long government shutdown that began on October 1. Further, Democrats are not ready to fight over government funding that may involve a shutdown because their policy positions have big holes in it and they haven't chosen the wisest positions! Seeking to repeal the Medicaid changes in the Big Beautiful Bill is a losing position because most Americans support able bodied people being required to work to get Medicaid health insurance; Democrats need to tailor their position to say that we want funding to poor hospitals especially rural ones to be maintained so that these hospitals aren't forced to being shuttered or close vital services! Also, Democrats are leaving out an important and strong cause reversing the Big Beautiful bills cuts to the SNAP (food stamp) program, the BBB requires state governments to pick up an additional twenty-five percent of the Administrative costs of the program and financially penalizes states significantly for eligibility mistakes over six percent; states cannot afford to absorb this expense and so this will lead to a lot of eligible Americans not getting SNAP benefits, that is, the working poor not getting this assistance they need to buy food for themselves and their family. This SNAP issue is a winning issue for Democrats because many Republican state government officials across the nation will support the Democrats on this issue they don't want to lose this benefit for their working poor!

Trump will own the government shut down.

He's been able to pass everything he wanted and Democrats didn't get a say in any of it. Now that Trump needs their votes, this is when Trump is going to learn how government works. He either gives us what we want or he will shut the government down. I suspect Trump wants to shut the government down. Then he will take over like Hitler did.

Asked how many Democratic senators are considering caving on government funding, one Senate Democrat told HuffPost: “F**king zero.”

What's Trump going to do arrest them? Call a constitutional crisis? Martial Law?

The Senate will vote on Monday evening on a House-passed bill keeping the government running until November. That measure does not include a key Democratic demand: the extension of expanded subsidies for people who get their health insurance through the Affordable Care Act. If those subsidies lapse, premiums will skyrocket for millions of Americans next year.

The senator added, “If they [offer us] take it or leave it, we will not lose any votes.”

 

[kyzr]

Trump will own the government shut down.

Nope. The democrats will shut it down unless they get their "Medicaid for illegals".

He's been able to pass everything he wanted and Democrats didn't get a say in any of it. Now that Trump needs their votes, this is when Trump is going to learn how government works. He either gives us what we want or he will shut the government down. I suspect Trump wants to shut the government down. Then he will take over like Hitler did.

So why take a chance if you're so scared of Trump? Pass the CR, then negotiate for something reasonable.

Asked how many Democratic senators are considering caving on government funding, one Senate Democrat told HuffPost: “F**king zero.”

We have Fetterman! He said shutdowns are stupid. Smart man.

What's Trump going to do arrest them? Call a constitutional crisis? Martial Law?

Nuclear option. 51 votes in the senate, done.

The Senate will vote on Monday evening on a House-passed bill keeping the government running until November. That measure does not include a key Democratic demand: the extension of expanded subsidies for people who get their health insurance through the Affordable Care Act. If those subsidies lapse, premiums will skyrocket for millions of Americans next year.
The senator added, “If they [offer us] take it or leave it, we will not lose any votes.”

Like I said, nuclear option now.

 

[JohnDB]

Lookit this.....Schumer Video.....blast from the past. Has Schumer been secretly MAGA all along?

 

[BluesLegend]

Democrats once again prove they don't give a shit about the poor and working class.