Democrats are now party of the rich

[hadit]

Sorry but labor and the government need their fair share.

The government already gets their fair share, and workers deserve to lose less of what they earn to the government. Remove corporate taxes and corporations will have a lot more to pay workers. Why do you champion the government stealing worker pay? Think about it, the company gets paid from money that has been taxed, they pay workers with money that they then pay taxes on, and they pay taxes on profits they make. The government steals at all levels from all people, yet you want to blame the people who are being robbed.

 

[sealybobo]

The government already gets their fair share, and workers deserve to lose less of what they earn to the government. Remove corporate taxes and corporations will have a lot more to pay workers. Why do you champion the government stealing worker pay? Think about it, the company gets paid from money that has been taxed, they pay workers with money that they then pay taxes on, and they pay taxes on profits they make. The government steals at all levels from all people, yet you want to blame the people who are being robbed.

Sounds like the party of the rich to me. Remove corporate taxes?

Then you must be asking them to shift the tax burden more on to us.

See, when you argue for the rich guy, you say he will hire more people the less you tax him. And if you don't tax the company, they'll lower their prices. Or won't pass the cost on to you. Oh yes they will

Anyways, you seem to be arguing for the rich. You're a Republican right?

 

[hadit]

Sounds like the party of the rich to me. Remove corporate taxes?

Do you actually think the company pays taxes in a vacuum?

Then you must be asking them to shift the tax burden more on to us.

They already are, because we pay all the taxes, multiple times.

See, when you argue for the rich guy, you say he will hire more people the less you tax him.

No, I say competition will force prices down if all companies face lower costs.

And if you don't tax the company, they'll lower their prices.

If you lowered the cost of doing business by 30% tomorrow, would all prices stay high or would they come down?

Or won't pass the cost on to you. Oh yes they will

Of course they pass the costs onto us. Taxes are just another part of the cost of doing business.

Anyways, you seem to be arguing for the rich. You're a Republican right?

It isn't arguing for anyone to note that companies should not pay taxes, because absolutely they pass them on to the consumer.

 

[sealybobo]

Do you actually think the company pays taxes in a vacuum?

They already are, because we pay all the taxes, multiple times.

No, I say competition will force prices down if all companies face lower costs.

If you lowered the cost of doing business by 30% tomorrow, would all prices stay high or would they come down?

Of course they pass the costs onto us. Taxes are just another part of the cost of doing business.

It isn't arguing for anyone to note that companies should not pay taxes, because absolutely they pass them on to the consumer.

See, Republicans are the party for the rich. You continue to defend the growing wage gap. Even as our founding father's worse nightmares are coming true. Rich people having too much control over our elections. I'll give you two examples

1. Trump "I don't need your money to run"

2. Elon Musk is offering $50 per vote if you vote for Trump.

 

[initforme]

If corporations had a much more difficult time finding labor that would help things. Instead they have it so very easy finding people.

 

[hadit]

See, Republicans are the party for the rich. You continue to defend the growing wage gap. Even as our founding father's worse nightmares are coming true. Rich people having too much control over our elections. I'll give you two examples

1. Trump "I don't need your money to run"

2. Elon Musk is offering $50 per vote if you vote for Trump.

Ah, yes, the old, "get the money out of politics" gambit. Here's the reality, you're never going to get money out of politics because money and power attract each other. No matter what you try to do, those with power will sell it to those with money, and those with money will try to gain power. Case in point, when TRUMP! shut Hillary up during the debate. She was complaining about TRUMP! using tax breaks and he laid it out that her major donors were doing the same things he was doing. Her donors were chasing power with their money, and she was chasing money by offering power. That's why TRUMP!'s insistence that he didn't need big donors resonated so well with the voting populace, they knew he couldn't be bought, whereas she could. The same thing happened with Quid Pro Joe, who entered office relatively well off and left wealthy. How coincidental that his son got very lucrative do-nothing jobs while he was in the White House. I wonder how many paintings he's managed to sell lately?

See, democrats are the party of the rich. We can do this all day long if you want to, but you're never going to successfully make the case that democrats are less money hungry than Republicans are, and in fact are a lot more open about their disdain for the lower classes.

 

[sealybobo]

Ah, yes, the old, "get the money out of politics" gambit. Here's the reality, you're never going to get money out of politics because money and power attract each other. No matter what you try to do, those with power will sell it to those with money, and those with money will try to gain power. Case in point, when TRUMP! shut Hillary up during the debate. She was complaining about TRUMP! using tax breaks and he laid it out that her major donors were doing the same things he was doing. Her donors were chasing power with their money, and she was chasing money by offering power. That's why TRUMP!'s insistence that he didn't need big donors resonated so well with the voting populace, they knew he couldn't be bought, whereas she could. The same thing happened with Quid Pro Joe, who entered office relatively well off and left wealthy. How coincidental that his son got very lucrative do-nothing jobs while he was in the White House. I wonder how many paintings he's managed to sell lately?

See, democrats are the party of the rich. We can do this all day long if you want to, but you're never going to successfully make the case that democrats are less money hungry than Republicans are, and in fact are a lot more open about their disdain for the lower classes.

Hillary wasn't talking about Trump using legal tax breaks

2022 Trump Organization fined $1.6 million for long-running tax fraud scheme​

Former President Donald Trump's company was sentenced by a New York judge after a jury convicted two subsidiaries last month on 17 counts of tax fraud.

2023 Former President Donald Trump's company is found guilty of criminal tax fraud​

How many people have gone to jail for Trump? Not counting the insurrectionists.

Former Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg released from jail July 2024​

Witch hunts, yea, we know.

 

[hadit]

Hillary wasn't talking about Trump using legal tax breaks

2022 Trump Organization fined $1.6 million for long-running tax fraud scheme​

Former President Donald Trump's company was sentenced by a New York judge after a jury convicted two subsidiaries last month on 17 counts of tax fraud.

2023 Former President Donald Trump's company is found guilty of criminal tax fraud​

How many people have gone to jail for Trump? Not counting the insurrectionists.

Former Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg released from jail July 2024​

Witch hunts, yea, we know.

She was complaining that he was using tax breaks, and he spelled out which one in particular they were talking about. YOU, OTOH, are attempting after the fact to interpret what she was talking about as if you were present in her mind.

I keep telling you to stop ordering those foil helmets from the back page of your comic books because they don't really give you mindreading powers, but here we are again...

Face it, democrats want the rich and despise the poor.

 

[sealybobo]

She was complaining that he was using tax breaks, and he spelled out which one in particular they were talking about. YOU, OTOH, are attempting after the fact to interpret what she was talking about as if you were present in her mind.

I keep telling you to stop ordering those foil helmets from the back page of your comic books because they don't really give you mindreading powers, but here we are again...

Face it, democrats want the rich and despise the poor.

I'm in another thread talking about how Trump was in Detroit roasting DETROIT. He's trying to lose now.

But the story points something out. Detroiters, the poor, are Democrats. The Republicans are the rich whites who live in the suburbs.

 

[hadit]

I'm in another thread talking about how Trump was in Detroit roasting DETROIT. He's trying to lose now.

But the story points something out. Detroiters, the poor, are Democrats. The Republicans are the rich whites who live in the suburbs.

The democrats treat their constituent groups with contempt, including the poor. They are the party of the rich, and if they could get enough votes out of the wealthy, would totally ignore the poor.

 

[sealybobo]

The democrats treat their constituent groups with contempt, including the poor. They are the party of the rich, and if they could get enough votes out of the wealthy, would totally ignore the poor.

Yea you guys love the poor.

Here's a great example of how you are the party of the rich. Which would you tax. Would you raise poor people's taxes or tax Elon Musk's wealth after he dies? Anything above $40 million.

260 billion USD

I would tax him 50% on the $220 billion. So his 18 kids would only get $110 billion.

You would tax the poor.

 

[initforme]

The poor are not a drain on the nation. They help make it work.

 

[hadit]

Yea you guys love the poor.

Here's a great example of how you are the party of the rich. Which would you tax. Would you raise poor people's taxes or tax Elon Musk's wealth after he dies? Anything above $40 million.

260 billion USD

I would tax him 50% on the $220 billion. So his 18 kids would only get $110 billion.

IOW, you would try to destroy the corporations that are currently hiring and paying thousands of people and making rapid innovations in reducing carbon usage. What, did you think Musk has $100 billion stuffed under a mattress somewhere? You would try to tax the shares (unrealized gains) that his children would inherit and force them to dump large numbers of them on the market all at once, destroying the companies' share price and stockholder value. Why do you hate people so much?

You would tax the poor.

You artificially limited the choices so as to attempt forcing a single outcome. That's not valid. Also, your target is invalid, because once a guy's dead, you can't tax him anymore. All you can do is tax his estate, which isn't going to hurt him at all so you won't even get the satisfaction that you stuck it to him. You'll be forever in agony that he died rich, successful and probably happier than you'll ever be because he's not envious of someone else's success.

No, the real option is to not tax either one of them any more than they already are, and through lowering wasteful government spending, lower their taxes.

Let's play your game for a minute and pretend your foil helmet actually works. I would lower everyone's taxes as much as possible, not caring if they're rich or poor. You would tax everyone more to feed the insatiable government beast, which means you put government over people. That's deplorable, which makes you a Deplorable. Shall we continue?

 

[sealybobo]

The Biden fund raiser in New York raised 25 million dollars for Joe Biden's campaign. Ther is no doubt that Biden has turned his back on middle class Americans.

Democrats being party of the rich could cost them 2024 election

A growing body of research shows wealthier Americans flocking to the Democratic Party. The working class, meanwhile, has been forgotten.

www.newsweek.com

Here's proof you're full of shit.

We're Seeing A Surge In Union Organizing

The number of union election petitions continues to rise, but officials say they don't have enough resources to handle the caseload.

www.huffpost.com

On Tuesday, federal officials reported a 29% jump in union election petitions during the most recent fiscal year, rising from 2,593 in 2023 to 3,286 in 2024

Do you support the workers or do you side with the CEO? Simple question. Do you side with labor or management?

 

[hadit]

Here's proof you're full of shit.

We're Seeing A Surge In Union Organizing

The number of union election petitions continues to rise, but officials say they don't have enough resources to handle the caseload.

www.huffpost.com

On Tuesday, federal officials reported a 29% jump in union election petitions during the most recent fiscal year, rising from 2,593 in 2023 to 3,286 in 2024

Do you support the workers or do you side with the CEO? Simple question. Do you side with labor or management?

Only extremists always side with one or the other. Either side can be in the right or in the wrong. Their tactics can be morally justified or not.

So, your question may be simple, but the answer is not.

 

[Vrenn]

Only extremists always side with one or the other. Either side can be in the right or in the wrong. Their tactics can be morally justified or not.

So, your question may be simple, but the answer is not.

One of the problems with Fascism, they present simple solutions to complex problems (aka Hitler and Mussolini) while socialists presents complicated solutions to simple problems. BTW, Communism never worked EVER. Like Democracy, it can only exist in small groups. Hence most of the world is some form of Representative. The exception are the very few dictators left in the world.

 

[0311]

One of the problems with Fascism, they present simple solutions to complex problems (aka Hitler and Mussolini) while socialists presents complicated solutions to simple problems. BTW, Communism never worked EVER. Like Democracy, it can only exist in small groups. Hence most of the world is some form of Representative. The exception are the very few dictators left in the world.

You are fucking liar. Diaper Don has already said he would be dictator on day one. He wants to use the U.S. Military against the civilian population. He wants jail his political and personal enemies. He will weaponize the DOJ to use against his political and personal enemies. The only people who want a dictatorship are ReNaziKlans and MAGA Manure who worship him.

 

[Vrenn]

You are fucking liar. Diaper Don has already said he would be dictator on day one. He wants to use the U.S. Military against the civilian population. He wants jail his political and personal enemies. He will weaponize the DOJ to use against his political and personal enemies. The only people who want a dictatorship are ReNaziKlans and MAGA Manure who worship him.

tRump is a nutcase from day one. Is the reason I left him out the reason I lied? Danged, I just removed the politics from it. But even a complete dummy can see that he's included as a Fascist since he also gives simple solutions to complex problems and his reign will be about as successful as Mussolini's was. Let's just hope the "People" handle it better than the Italians did in 1943.

 

[hadit]

You are fucking liar. Diaper Don has already said he would be dictator on day one. He wants to use the U.S. Military against the civilian population. He wants jail his political and personal enemies. He will weaponize the DOJ to use against his political and personal enemies. The only people who want a dictatorship are ReNaziKlans and MAGA Manure who worship him.

We heard all the hysterical bloviating about all the horrible things he was going to do before his FIRST term, and here you are, breathlessly insisting that THIS time it's for real, THIS time he'll do all the horrible things. Sunspots, dogs and cats living together, people wearing white after Labor Day, all sorts of equally heinous things will happen. Sure it will, sure it will, THIS time.

 

[WilmerV]

I loved Kamala's kids explaining how to remember how to say her name.

“First you say ‘comma,’ like a comma in a sentence,” said Amara Ajagu, a daughter of the vice president’s niece Meena Harris.
“Then you say ‘la,’ like, ‘la, la, la, la,’” added Leela Ajagu, another daughter of Meena Harris.

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