Democrats are not very civil

[Harry Dresden]

The founders were not liberals nor were they conservatives. They were nothing like what we have today. They would have tarred and fathered us all they were small government that would govern by the restraints of the Constitution, not amend them so people could rule by their agenda. No the founders would have tarred and feathered each and everyone of us.

this i have to agree with.....they would be looking for their Muskets about now....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Of course precipitous deficit increases, until now, have always happened under Republican control... So I ask... Why are the Democrats now spending like Republicans?

California has been heavily Democrat for quite a while now.....the worst thing you can tell the Legislature in this State is......STOP SPENDING....you wanna see a group of people recoil in terror.....go up there and say that....

 

[mudwhistle]

The left has been uncivil since the 2000 election. They've done nothing but obstruct and criticize. They've told everyone how racist we are. (See Jim Moran's comments on Arab television) When anything happens in the news they make false claims, point fingers, and generally get in the way of progress. They minimize their faults while magnifying those of their opposition. They've spent us into the poor house and tried for 2 years to blame it all on the rich and Bush.

You can't trust someone who can't be honest with you about anything, so I figure why bother trying.

I see no reason to get along with people that just want to bring you down. People that are ashamed of the country they live in.

At a moment in history when we need to be energy independent they've got us in a bind. We can't use the resources we have and we're now at the mercy of a exploding Middle East. The stupidity of their ideas have born the fruit that was forecast when they dared to openly propose them. This Summer we'll be lucky if gas stays below $5 a gallon.

Their goal has never been to reduce costs, but to increase costs of everything else so their programs look cheap in comparison.

 

[Bfgrn]

To understand Conservatives, you must understand the nature of the Right wing. They believe in a Nexus of a powerful one party government coupled with corporations and religion to force the people into the mold of society they feel is best. Take some examples of when right wing ideology blossoms into a far right ideology:

The many monarchies in Europe, Fascist Italy, Saudi Arabia, and of course, the NAZI Party of Germany. Hitler being one of the most religious conservative corporatists of all.

To their extreme, the right is extremely militant, brutal, controlling. They must be, as that is the only way to bring about total power to elites they believe get their power from a supreme being, which is the goal of modern Conservatism. Total supremacy of those they deem superior can't be achieved without overwhelming force or threat of. It's why drill instructors yell so much.

No, you mean right wing conservatives.
I am a life long true conservative that believes in less government and fiscal responsibility.
I also believe in gay rights, marriage equality.
Do not support prohibition.
But I want govermment out of my life fiscally and socially.

You have some company...Victor Golds and John Dean were very close friends and associates of the late great Barry Goldwater. They have been the most outspoken critics of today's GOP.

Today's GOP is not conservative, it is authoritarian. Ironic that the right calls Obama and Democrats Marxists...the Marxists are in the Republican party!

Who are the neocons?

Irving Kristol (January 22, 1920 – September 18, 2009) was an American columnist, journalist, and writer who was dubbed the "godfather of neoconservatism".

Kristol was born in Brooklyn, New York, the son of non-observant Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe. He received his B.A. from the City College of New York in 1940, where he majored in history and was part of a small but vocal Trotskyist group who eventually became the New York Intellectuals.

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Victor Gold, former speechwriter for George Herbert Walker Bush is a Goldwater conservative...his book explains how the GOP was hijacked away from conservatives by far right theocrats and far left neocons...starting in 1980...

Book Review:

Invasion of the Party Snatchers

By Victor Gold

After four decades as a Republican insider, Victor Gold reveals how the holy-rollers and the Neo-Cons have destroyed the GOP. Now he's fighting to get his party back.

As a man who served as press aide to Barry Goldwater and speechwriter and senior advisor to George H. W. Bush (in addition to co-authoring his autobiography), Victor Gold is absolutely furious that the Neo-Cons and their strange bedfellows, the Evangelical Right, have stolen his party from him. Now he is bringing the fight to them.

Invasion of the Party Snatchers is a blistering critique not only of the Bush-Cheney administration but also of the Republican Congress. Gold is ready to tell all about the war being waged for the soul of the GOP, including the elder Bush's opinion of his sons work domestically and abroad, the significance of the newly elected Congress, and how Goldwater would have reacted to it all. Gold reveals, among other explosive disclosures, how George W. has been manipulated by his vice president and secretary of defense to become, in Lenin's famous phrase, a "useful idiot" for Neo-Conservative warmongers and Theo-Conservative religious fanatics.

Although there have been other books by dissident Republicans attacking the Bush-Cheney administrations betrayal of conservative principles, none have been by an insider whose political credentials include inner-circle status with Barry Goldwater and George H. W. Bush.

Review:
"Make no mistake: author Gold, a former speechwriter for George H.W. Bush and aide to Barry Goldwater, is one disgusted Republican. The GOP of the 2006 midterm election, he writes, is 'a party of pork-barrel ear-markers like Dennis Hastert, of political hatchet men like Karl Rove, and of Bible-thumping hypocrites like Tom Delay.' Gold looks to Goldwater, 'a straight-talking, freethinking maverick,' as the yardstick by which to measure just how far the party of Lincoln has fallen.

He traces the beginning of the end to the 1980 Republican National Convention and the presence of 'a militant new element...personified by Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.' The other half of the equation, the neoconservatives, are embodied by Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, 'two cuts from the same Machiavellian cloth.' In efficient prose, Gold scrutinizes a significant swath of recent GOP history, in particular Newt Gingrich's 104th Congress and the Bush II White House, without losing momentum.

He also has choice words for 'the Coulterization of Republican rhetoric,' the revolving door between Capitol Hill and K Street, and 'sideshow' legislation like the Flag Protection Amendment. Gold sees a promising future for the Republican Party, but not until they lose some major elections and are able to keep down a slice of humble pie; for those disillusioned with the state of the GOP, this quick, uncompromising polemic provides substantial support, along with a large dose of cold comfort." Publishers Weekly (Starred Review) (Copyright Reed Business Information, Inc.)

Synopsis:
The last real Goldwater conservative in America attacks the current state of his movement and his party.

Powell's Books - Invasion of the Party Snatchers: How the Holy-Rollers and Neo-Cons Destroyed the GOP by Victor Gold

 

[Harry Dresden]

What do you know about what they would do today? What, you think if we put them in power today they'd reinstitute a government that was designed for the 13 colonies and a population of less than 3 million?

they would still be looking for their Muskets....and some tar and feathers for some of our supposed leaders.....those guys were building a Country....these guys are Ripping it down....

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

To understand Conservatives, you must understand the nature of the Right wing. They believe in a Nexus of a powerful one party government coupled with corporations and religion to force the people into the mold of society they feel is best. Take some examples of when right wing ideology blossoms into a far right ideology:

The many monarchies in Europe, Fascist Italy, Saudi Arabia, and of course, the NAZI Party of Germany. Hitler being one of the most religious conservative corporatists of all.

To their extreme, the right is extremely militant, brutal, controlling. They must be, as that is the only way to bring about total power to elites they believe get their power from a supreme being, which is the goal of modern Conservatism. Total supremacy of those they deem superior can't be achieved without overwhelming force or threat of. It's why drill instructors yell so much.

You don't know jack about conservatism. And given your statement on Hitler, you're not very well versed on much else either. Hitler was into the occult and the Nazi's were National Socialists.

As for the rest of your rant.. seems as though you're projecting... just a bit.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Democrats lost big in 2010 on the state level, so now they are resorting to theatrics, temper tantrums, shouting and throwing things to obstruct Republicans during a PA State House Rules Committee. If they have legitimate concerns about the rules reforms sponsored by Republican members, they should argue the issue on the floor, not stage a phony protest and media event. One of the libs even tried to invoke the "Tea Party", saying they would side with the Dems against the "monarchical" Republicans. This is ridiculous; the Tea Party does not support this type of unruly behavior from our elected Representatives! It's one thing for supporters to rally outside the House and exercise their freedom to assemble, but for the elected officials to try ands disrupt the orderly process of governing this way is an embarrassment.

Yeah....I guess that's part of our Legacy.

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<Anything left o' your glass-house, to-date? >​

 

[bigrebnc1775]

democrats lost big in 2010 on the state level, so now they are resorting to theatrics, temper tantrums, shouting and throwing things to obstruct republicans during a pa state house rules committee. If they have legitimate concerns about the rules reforms sponsored by republican members, they should argue the issue on the floor, not stage a phony protest and media event. One of the libs even tried to invoke the "tea party", saying they would side with the dems against the "monarchical" republicans. This is ridiculous; the tea party does not support this type of unruly behavior from our elected representatives! It's one thing for supporters to rally outside the house and exercise their freedom to assemble, but for the elected officials to try ands disrupt the orderly process of governing this way is an embarrassment.

yeah....i guess that's part of our legacy.

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<anything left o' your glass-house, to-date? >​

who voted for the person in your video was she an elected offical?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The founders were not liberals nor were they conservatives. They were nothing like what we have today. They would have tarred and fathered us all they were small government that would govern by the restraints of the Constitution, not amend them so people could rule by their agenda. No the founders would have tarred and feathered each and everyone of us.

this i have to agree with.....they would be looking for their Muskets about now....

Guilty, now it times to take back what they started.

 

[Truthmatters]

Opstructionist politics?

Who could ever imagine a party doing all they can to keep the majority members from getting the peoples work done?


It amazes me how the op only gets angry when the other party does what they already did.

It's not the people's work that was getting obstructed -- it was Democrats'.

Oh I see , its only the peoples work when the Republicans are voted into office by the American people BUT When the American people vote in a democratic majority that is not the peoples work.


Do you even understand how partisan you are?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Opstructionist politics?

Who could ever imagine a party doing all they can to keep the majority members from getting the peoples work done?


It amazes me how the op only gets angry when the other party does what they already did.

It's not the people's work that was getting obstructed -- it was Democrats'.

Oh I see , its only the peoples work when the Republicans are voted into office by the American people BUT When the American people vote in a democratic majority that is not the peoples work.


Do you even understand how partisan you are?

The majority of the people did not want what the democrats were trying to shove down their throats. Sorry you like the democrats failed.

 

[Truthmatters]

Only in your mind.

The American people wanted the public option which the right forced off the table

 

[Truthmatters]

The founders were not liberals nor were they conservatives. They were nothing like what we have today. They would have tarred and fathered us all they were small government that would govern by the restraints of the Constitution, not amend them so people could rule by their agenda. No the founders would have tarred and feathered each and everyone of us.

this i have to agree with.....they would be looking for their Muskets about now....

Guilty, now it times to take back what they started.

So you claim they would not have used the very tools they put in the constitution for admendment?????


Do you realize just how silly that is to say?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Only in your mind.

The American people wanted the public option which the right forced off the table

And you say you are an honest person? The people dd not want the government involved with their healthcare. If the American did want it the democrats would never had such a problem doing what they did wth the super majority they had. Your opinion does not match up to the facts.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

this i have to agree with.....they would be looking for their Muskets about now....

Guilty, now it times to take back what they started.

So you claim they would not have used the very tools they put in the constitution for admendment?????


Do you realize just how silly that is to say?

Really so a small central government is not what they wanted? Suely you're going to show proof that they wanted the government to control everything a person did. Surely you have some proof. Now lets see who sounds silly.

 

[Truthmatters]

They were not who you pretend they were

 

[bigrebnc1775]

They were not who you pretend they were

Could you please when you make a comment address it to the person you are making it to. You do it some times.

Really so a small central government is not what they wanted? Suely you're going to show proof that they wanted the government to control everything a person did. Surely you have some proof. Now lets see who sounds silly.

Do you have proof they were not what I said they were?

 

[Truthmatters]

your claim that government controls everything in the US is untrue and they would see that too.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

your claim that government controls everything in the US is untrue and they would see that too.

You do not deal with the truth and that is the truth.

 

[daveman]

Opstructionist politics?

Who could ever imagine a party doing all they can to keep the majority members from getting the peoples work done?


It amazes me how the op only gets angry when the other party does what they already did.

It's not the people's work that was getting obstructed -- it was Democrats'.

Oh I see , its only the peoples work when the Republicans are voted into office by the American people BUT When the American people vote in a democratic majority that is not the peoples work.


Do you even understand how partisan you are?

I suggest you look in a mirror.

What I say is true, and is backed up by poll after poll, as well as last November's elections. The people do not want what the Democrats have been forcing on them.