Democrats are not very civil

[JakeStarkey]

I have more of a clue as to what a conservative is then you do. Thanks for coming to jake defense.

Slapping you down is not defending Jake. It's just fun.

That will be the day shit for brains. but again jake says thanks for defending him.

I say it is fun watching him punk you, bigrebnc.

 

[JakeStarkey]

#1 The Nazi left wing was destroyed by the Nazi right wing, supported by totalitarians and corporatists.

#2 Denmark, Sweden, and Canada, for that matter, are not moving away from social democracy and government programs for the people.

Rambunctious is either (1) easily fooled or (2) malignantly motivated.

I'll just go with 1) easily fooled, since I haven't read enough of his posts to discern if he's a malignantly motivated idiot.

Of course, Jake, you will now be accused of defending me. The wingnut morons don't realize that truth is nonpartisan. Although it does have a strong Liberal bias!

You are really making jake look bad. You need to stop helping him, with his words.

You are so funny to watch punked.

 

[JakeStarkey]

*sigh* The Beckbots are out today.

remember the Nazis called themselves the National Socialist Party

Whenever somebody writes this, you should instantly stop reading what they wrote. Because whoever writes something like that has no clue. The Nazis weren’t socialists. They hated socialists. They hated anything to the left of, well, Nazism. When Hitler first assumed power he killed his political opponents – communists, leftists, and actual socialists. The “socialist” in the Nazi party was a name, and no more. It’s like saying that the “United Klans Of America” represents real America because “America” is in the name. It’s absurd. It’s the real world manifestation of Jonah Goldberg/Glenn Beck history mangling and people who use it are either being deceptive or (more likely) stupid enough to believe it.
​

#1 The Nazi left wing was destroyed by the Nazi right wing, supported by totalitarians and corporatists.

#2 Denmark, Sweden, and Canada, for that matter, are not moving away from social democracy and government programs for the people.

Rambunctious is either (1) easily fooled or (2) malignantly motivated.

holy shit do you realize how ridiculous you sound? The Nazis did not have a right wing or left wing.

You told us that it had a socialist and corporatist struggle did you not, vainly trying to argue that the socialists won the party fight. They did not, bigreb. The folks like you in the Nazis won the struggle.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Slapping you down is not defending Jake. It's just fun.

That will be the day shit for brains. but again jake says thanks for defending him.

I say it is fun watching him punk you, bigrebnc.

The only one being punked is you jake. and your liberal buddies are helping you with that also.

 

[Intense]

Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism; alternatively spelled Naziism[1]) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] It was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and antisemitism.[10] Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.[11]

The Nazis believed in the supremacy of an Aryan master race and claimed that Germans represent the most pure Aryan nation.[12] They argued that Germany's survival as a modern great nation required it to create a New Order — an empire in Europe that would give the German nation the necessary land mass, resources, and expansion of population needed to be able to economically and militarily compete with other powers.[13]

The Nazis claimed that Jews were the greatest threat to the Aryan race and the German nation. They considered Jews a parasitic race that attached itself to various ideologies and movements to secure its self-preservation, such as: the Enlightenment, liberalism, democracy, parliamentary politics, capitalism, industrialisation, Marxism and trade unionism.[14]

To rescue Germany from the effects of the Great Depression, Nazism promoted an economic Third Position; a managed economy that was neither capitalist nor communist.[15][16] The Nazis accused communism and capitalism of being associated with Jewish influences and interests.[17] They declared support for a nationalist form of socialism that was to provide for the Aryan race and the German nation: economic security, social welfare programs for workers, a just wage, honour for workers' importance to the nation, and protection from capitalist exploitation.[18]

Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[bigrebnc1775]

#1 The Nazi left wing was destroyed by the Nazi right wing, supported by totalitarians and corporatists.

#2 Denmark, Sweden, and Canada, for that matter, are not moving away from social democracy and government programs for the people.

Rambunctious is either (1) easily fooled or (2) malignantly motivated.

holy shit do you realize how ridiculous you sound? The Nazis did not have a right wing or left wing.

You told us that it had a socialist and corporatist struggle did you not, vainly trying to argue that the socialists won the party fight. They did not, bigreb. The folks like you in the Nazis won the struggle.

No I do not think I said that. I did say they were socialist. oh and I see political junkie just gave you a thanks, Jake if I didn't know better I would swear that you were a liberal with all these liberals defending you and giving you a thanks.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism; alternatively spelled Naziism[1]) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] It was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and antisemitism.[10] Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.[11]

The Nazis believed in the supremacy of an Aryan master race and claimed that Germans represent the most pure Aryan nation.[12] They argued that Germany's survival as a modern great nation required it to create a New Order — an empire in Europe that would give the German nation the necessary land mass, resources, and expansion of population needed to be able to economically and militarily compete with other powers.[13]

The Nazis claimed that Jews were the greatest threat to the Aryan race and the German nation. They considered Jews a parasitic race that attached itself to various ideologies and movements to secure its self-preservation, such as: the Enlightenment, liberalism, democracy, parliamentary politics, capitalism, industrialisation, Marxism and trade unionism.[14]

To rescue Germany from the effects of the Great Depression, Nazism promoted an economic Third Position; a managed economy that was neither capitalist nor communist.[15][16] The Nazis accused communism and capitalism of being associated with Jewish influences and interests.[17] They declared support for a nationalist form of socialism that was to provide for the Aryan race and the German nation: economic security, social welfare programs for workers, a just wage, honour for workers' importance to the nation, and protection from capitalist exploitation.[18]

Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sure, Intense.

Now show us the industries that were nationalized by the government.

 

[Intense]

Jake, #1 The Nazi movement was absolutely a socialist driven movement and socialist are on the left, sorry but it's true. # 2 Denmark and Sweden where I've just returned from are moving away from socialism as fast as their respective legal systems will allow. If you have ever been there prior to 2005 you wouldn't recognize it today. Even most of the infamous hash houses (much to my chagrin) have unfortunately closed down for lack of patronage and a desire of the native people to turn their nations around from where they were headed.

*sigh* The Beckbots are out today.

remember the Nazis called themselves the National Socialist Party

Whenever somebody writes this, you should instantly stop reading what they wrote. Because whoever writes something like that has no clue. The Nazis weren’t socialists. They hated socialists. They hated anything to the left of, well, Nazism. When Hitler first assumed power he killed his political opponents – communists, leftists, and actual socialists. The “socialist” in the Nazi party was a name, and no more. It’s like saying that the “United Klans Of America” represents real America because “America” is in the name. It’s absurd. It’s the real world manifestation of Jonah Goldberg/Glenn Beck history mangling and people who use it are either being deceptive or (more likely) stupid enough to believe it.
​

What ever you paid to get educated was too much. You are living in a fantasy world.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism; alternatively spelled Naziism[1]) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] It was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and antisemitism.[10] Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.[11]

The Nazis believed in the supremacy of an Aryan master race and claimed that Germans represent the most pure Aryan nation.[12] They argued that Germany's survival as a modern great nation required it to create a New Order — an empire in Europe that would give the German nation the necessary land mass, resources, and expansion of population needed to be able to economically and militarily compete with other powers.[13]

The Nazis claimed that Jews were the greatest threat to the Aryan race and the German nation. They considered Jews a parasitic race that attached itself to various ideologies and movements to secure its self-preservation, such as: the Enlightenment, liberalism, democracy, parliamentary politics, capitalism, industrialisation, Marxism and trade unionism.[14]

To rescue Germany from the effects of the Great Depression, Nazism promoted an economic Third Position; a managed economy that was neither capitalist nor communist.[15][16] The Nazis accused communism and capitalism of being associated with Jewish influences and interests.[17] They declared support for a nationalist form of socialism that was to provide for the Aryan race and the German nation: economic security, social welfare programs for workers, a just wage, honour for workers' importance to the nation, and protection from capitalist exploitation.[18]

Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sure, Intense.

Now show us the industries that were nationalized by the government.

Hitler's war machine

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism; alternatively spelled Naziism[1]) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] It was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and antisemitism.[10] Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.[11]

The Nazis believed in the supremacy of an Aryan master race and claimed that Germans represent the most pure Aryan nation.[12] They argued that Germany's survival as a modern great nation required it to create a New Order — an empire in Europe that would give the German nation the necessary land mass, resources, and expansion of population needed to be able to economically and militarily compete with other powers.[13]

The Nazis claimed that Jews were the greatest threat to the Aryan race and the German nation. They considered Jews a parasitic race that attached itself to various ideologies and movements to secure its self-preservation, such as: the Enlightenment, liberalism, democracy, parliamentary politics, capitalism, industrialisation, Marxism and trade unionism.[14]

To rescue Germany from the effects of the Great Depression, Nazism promoted an economic Third Position; a managed economy that was neither capitalist nor communist.[15][16] The Nazis accused communism and capitalism of being associated with Jewish influences and interests.[17] They declared support for a nationalist form of socialism that was to provide for the Aryan race and the German nation: economic security, social welfare programs for workers, a just wage, honour for workers' importance to the nation, and protection from capitalist exploitation.[18]

Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sure, Intense.

Now show us the industries that were nationalized by the government.

Hitler's war machine

Shows us the industries that were nationalized by the government.

 

[Intense]

Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism; alternatively spelled Naziism[1]) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] It was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and antisemitism.[10] Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.[11]

The Nazis believed in the supremacy of an Aryan master race and claimed that Germans represent the most pure Aryan nation.[12] They argued that Germany's survival as a modern great nation required it to create a New Order — an empire in Europe that would give the German nation the necessary land mass, resources, and expansion of population needed to be able to economically and militarily compete with other powers.[13]

The Nazis claimed that Jews were the greatest threat to the Aryan race and the German nation. They considered Jews a parasitic race that attached itself to various ideologies and movements to secure its self-preservation, such as: the Enlightenment, liberalism, democracy, parliamentary politics, capitalism, industrialisation, Marxism and trade unionism.[14]

To rescue Germany from the effects of the Great Depression, Nazism promoted an economic Third Position; a managed economy that was neither capitalist nor communist.[15][16] The Nazis accused communism and capitalism of being associated with Jewish influences and interests.[17] They declared support for a nationalist form of socialism that was to provide for the Aryan race and the German nation: economic security, social welfare programs for workers, a just wage, honour for workers' importance to the nation, and protection from capitalist exploitation.[18]

Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sure, Intense.

Now show us the industries that were nationalized by the government.

How about you explain the difference between Ownership and Total Control? You as a Factory Owner in Berlin, 1939, want to tell Hitler no when he demands something from you? You either comply or end up missing, or dead. Everything about the Nazi Party contradicts your claims Jake. They were Anti-Individualist as much as you are Brother. Socialism was used in all of their Propaganda, they wrapped themselves in it. They used it to subjugate whole Societies under their will, Their personal brand of Totalitarianism. Totalitarianism is the end game of all societies that beat down Individual Voice and Will Jake. It starts with ridiculing people for openly speaking their Consciences and minds Jake. It goes down hill from there.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Sure, Intense.

Now show us the industries that were nationalized by the government.

Hitler's war machine

Shows us the industries that were nationalized by the government.

Hitler was a dictator. enough said.

 

[JakeStarkey]

An authoritarian right wing state, sure. A socialist state of the left. No. No one can prove differently unless those folks twist the traditional definitions, which far left, libertarian, and hard reactionary have been trying to do for a decade.

No, the Nazis were not socialists, no, they did not nationalize industries. They killed the socialists, the social democrats, the commies, anyone on the left.

Show differently, but you can't.

 

[DiveCon]

An authoritarian right wing state, sure. A socialist state of the left. No. No one can prove differently unless those folks twist the traditional definitions, which far left, libertarian, and hard reactionary have been trying to do for a decade.

No, the Nazis were not socialists, no, they did not nationalize industries. They killed the socialists, the social democrats, the commies, anyone on the left.

Show differently, but you can't.

Nazis are right wing ONLY if you live in a 2 dimensional world
and you only want to say that because you want to demonize conservatives as Nazi

the world isnt flat jokey

 

[Synthaholic]

Jake, #1 The Nazi movement was absolutely a socialist driven movement and socialist are on the left, sorry but it's true. # 2 Denmark and Sweden where I've just returned from are moving away from socialism as fast as their respective legal systems will allow. If you have ever been there prior to 2005 you wouldn't recognize it today. Even most of the infamous hash houses (much to my chagrin) have unfortunately closed down for lack of patronage and a desire of the native people to turn their nations around from where they were headed.

*sigh* The Beckbots are out today.

remember the Nazis called themselves the National Socialist Party

Whenever somebody writes this, you should instantly stop reading what they wrote. Because whoever writes something like that has no clue. The Nazis weren’t socialists. They hated socialists. They hated anything to the left of, well, Nazism. When Hitler first assumed power he killed his political opponents – communists, leftists, and actual socialists. The “socialist” in the Nazi party was a name, and no more. It’s like saying that the “United Klans Of America” represents real America because “America” is in the name. It’s absurd. It’s the real world manifestation of Jonah Goldberg/Glenn Beck history mangling and people who use it are either being deceptive or (more likely) stupid enough to believe it.
​

What ever you paid to get educated was too much. You are living in a fantasy world.

I live in reality, with a knowledge of recent history.

Beck: We are really, truly, stepping beyond socialism and we're starting to look at fascism. We are putting business and government together!

Ingraham: Glenn, you're throwing a lot of terms around, and I'm going to play devil's advocate, because this is fair and balanced. Now, moving from socialism to communism, that's, that's a pretty big leap -- socialism, obviously, the economic system, communism the political system. How are we right now moving toward state ownership of all, for instance, heavy industry?

Beck: Let me first of all just explain first what happened in Nazi Germany. It was National -- Socialism. We're talking now about nationalizing the banks, and socialized programs. National. Socialism.

At first in Nazi Germany, everybody was so panicked, they were so freaked. Remember -- don't take anytime to think about it, we've just got to do, do, do. At first all the big companies and the big capitalists in Germany said, 'Oh thank goodness there's a savior! OK, great! We'll do that, yes!' It didn't take too long before -- like here in America, now Goldman Sachs. They've started to see the writing on the wall and went, 'Whoa, whoa whoa! You guys are getting out of control here. What are you guys doing?' And they couldn't get out of it fast enough.

Unfortunately, for those in Germany, you could never go back. I don't know if this is the system that we're headed towards or not, where they're not going to let you out, but let me tell you something, I don't want to play this game. This is becoming extraordinarily dangerous.
​

What a doughy pantload.

Can you tell whether they're talking about fascism, socialism, or communism? Or are these all just basically one big mushy concept to Beck? This kind of incoherence-unto-meaninglessness is indeed the hallmark of Goldberg's work on these subjects. As with Goldberg, it renders all these terms into so much Newspeak.

Beyond just the obvious, comical incoherence of this, Beck is babbling ahistorical nonsense seemingly fabricated from whole cloth. I have no idea where in the world Beck is obtaining his information -- John Wayne WWII movies, perhaps? Sgt. Fury comics? -- but as political history, this is just a smattering of facts mangled into pure gobbledygook.

First, the National Socialists, aka Nazis, were "Socialists" in roughly the same way that the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" was run by Republicans. It was a marketing term that reflected more the fascists' real roots in the radical ferment around socialism, but there is little question (beyond Goldberg's fanboy cult) that fascism generically and Nazism specifically were right-wing phenomena.

The citations available on this subject are numerous, but probably the clearest explanation comes from [ame="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1400040949/crooksandliar-20/ref=nosim/"]Robert O. Paxton in The Anatomy of Fascism[/ame], who explains that fascism for all its rhetoric was in practice closely aligned with and allied with capitalists and conservatives -- some of whom, years down the road, came to regret the association, but the vast majority of whom approved enthusiastically up through the war years. (Think [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupp"]Krupp[/ame].) They were also decidedly -- violently, murderously -- anti-socialist.


Beck-Ingraham duet on Fox: Incoherent ideological babble has the ring of Newspeak | Crooks and Liars
​

 

[Intense]

An authoritarian right wing state, sure. A socialist state of the left. No. No one can prove differently unless those folks twist the traditional definitions, which far left, libertarian, and hard reactionary have been trying to do for a decade.

No, the Nazis were not socialists, no, they did not nationalize industries. They killed the socialists, the social democrats, the commies, anyone on the left.

Show differently, but you can't.

Outside of you ridiculing Posters on the Site I see no point to your argument Jake. Hitler wrapped himself in Socialism, you fail to grasp that. You need to redefine the meaning of the Word or just ignore it to spin your lost cause argument. Hitler claimed to be a Socialist. What part of that do you need explained??? I really don't want to beat a dead horse here. It serves no purpose.

 

[Intense]

*sigh* The Beckbots are out today.

remember the Nazis called themselves the National Socialist Party

Whenever somebody writes this, you should instantly stop reading what they wrote. Because whoever writes something like that has no clue. The Nazis weren’t socialists. They hated socialists. They hated anything to the left of, well, Nazism. When Hitler first assumed power he killed his political opponents – communists, leftists, and actual socialists. The “socialist” in the Nazi party was a name, and no more. It’s like saying that the “United Klans Of America” represents real America because “America” is in the name. It’s absurd. It’s the real world manifestation of Jonah Goldberg/Glenn Beck history mangling and people who use it are either being deceptive or (more likely) stupid enough to believe it.
​

What ever you paid to get educated was too much. You are living in a fantasy world.

I live in reality, with a knowledge of recent history.

Beck: We are really, truly, stepping beyond socialism and we're starting to look at fascism. We are putting business and government together!

Ingraham: Glenn, you're throwing a lot of terms around, and I'm going to play devil's advocate, because this is fair and balanced. Now, moving from socialism to communism, that's, that's a pretty big leap -- socialism, obviously, the economic system, communism the political system. How are we right now moving toward state ownership of all, for instance, heavy industry?

Beck: Let me first of all just explain first what happened in Nazi Germany. It was National -- Socialism. We're talking now about nationalizing the banks, and socialized programs. National. Socialism.

At first in Nazi Germany, everybody was so panicked, they were so freaked. Remember -- don't take anytime to think about it, we've just got to do, do, do. At first all the big companies and the big capitalists in Germany said, 'Oh thank goodness there's a savior! OK, great! We'll do that, yes!' It didn't take too long before -- like here in America, now Goldman Sachs. They've started to see the writing on the wall and went, 'Whoa, whoa whoa! You guys are getting out of control here. What are you guys doing?' And they couldn't get out of it fast enough.

Unfortunately, for those in Germany, you could never go back. I don't know if this is the system that we're headed towards or not, where they're not going to let you out, but let me tell you something, I don't want to play this game. This is becoming extraordinarily dangerous.
​

What a doughy pantload.

Can you tell whether they're talking about fascism, socialism, or communism? Or are these all just basically one big mushy concept to Beck? This kind of incoherence-unto-meaninglessness is indeed the hallmark of Goldberg's work on these subjects. As with Goldberg, it renders all these terms into so much Newspeak.

Beyond just the obvious, comical incoherence of this, Beck is babbling ahistorical nonsense seemingly fabricated from whole cloth. I have no idea where in the world Beck is obtaining his information -- John Wayne WWII movies, perhaps? Sgt. Fury comics? -- but as political history, this is just a smattering of facts mangled into pure gobbledygook.

First, the National Socialists, aka Nazis, were "Socialists" in roughly the same way that the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" was run by Republicans. It was a marketing term that reflected more the fascists' real roots in the radical ferment around socialism, but there is little question (beyond Goldberg's fanboy cult) that fascism generically and Nazism specifically were right-wing phenomena.

The citations available on this subject are numerous, but probably the clearest explanation comes from [ame="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1400040949/crooksandliar-20/ref=nosim/"]Robert O. Paxton in The Anatomy of Fascism[/ame], who explains that fascism for all its rhetoric was in practice closely aligned with and allied with capitalists and conservatives -- some of whom, years down the road, came to regret the association, but the vast majority of whom approved enthusiastically up through the war years. (Think [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupp"]Krupp[/ame].) They were also decidedly -- violently, murderously -- anti-socialist.


Beck-Ingraham duet on Fox: Incoherent ideological babble has the ring of Newspeak | Crooks and Liars
​

Hitler claimed to be Socialist. Should we ignore that fact? Any abuse of power, from the Left or Right, leads to Subjugation, They are different Paths to the same end. Total Control. Different brands of Totalitarianism, resulting in the Populace being owned and Fucked. What part don't you get, on your march to silence opposition and criticism??? What brand are you trying to sell today??? You systematically strip voice and rights, if you haven't noticed. Beck argues better for himself without your help.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You would have me, Intense, ignore the nonsense folks put out. I am more than willing to engage in discussion based on history, facts, definitions, and critical thinking. You fail to grasp that Hitler destroyed the socialist and communists and his own radical left wing,the SA.

You have no horse, living or dead, to beat. You have no point at all to make. You are entitled to your opinion, but not to revise definitions or historical fact.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Most of the lefties and the reactionaries on the site claim to be rational. They are not. Hitler used and then destroyed the left wing root and branch. We will not ignore that fact. There as those who desire the Rule of Man versus the Rule of Law. All sane men and women concerned for the liberty of humankind oppose that and will fight to prevent such a perversion of human culture.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You would have me, Intense, ignore the nonsense folks put out. I am more than willing to engage in discussion based on history, facts, definitions, and critical thinking. You fail to grasp that Hitler destroyed the socialist and communists and his own radical left wing,the SA.

You have no horse, living or dead, to beat. You have no point at all to make. You are entitled to your opinion, but not to revise definitions or historical fact.

Hey Intense how many Republicans do you know who use the term "critical thinking"