Democrats admit that the Public Option will lead to Single Payer government run care

[veritas]

And WHOM makes that judgement exactly?

It's "who" not whom for the subjective case.

AGAIN? What business is it of Government in a "Free Market"?

The health insurance companies are not in any free market. They have virtual monopolies enabled by the respective states in which they operate.

 

[The T]

And WHOM makes that judgement exactly?

It's "who" not whom for the subjective case.

AGAIN? What business is it of Government in a "Free Market"?

The health insurance companies are not in any free market. They have virtual monopolies enabled by the respective states in which they operate.

And you just contradicted yourself, ACE...

They are still PRIVATE Companies, that are Beholden TO Government IF allowed to operate within a particuliar STATE.

Try again.

 

[veritas]

None of them are private companies. They are all publicly held. What part don't you get?

You seem to miss a lot.

 

[The T]

None of them are private companies. They are all publicly held. What part don't you get?

You seem to miss a lot.

I see...but they are STILL PRIVATE Companies with Stock Holders...

What part of THAT don't YOU get?

 

[judyd]

And WHOM makes that judgement exactly?

It's "who" not whom for the subjective case.

AGAIN? What business is it of Government in a "Free Market"?

The health insurance companies are not in any free market. They have virtual monopolies enabled by the respective states in which they operate.

And you just contradicted yourself, ACE...

They are still PRIVATE Companies, that are Beholden TO Government IF allowed to operate within a particuliar STATE.

Try again.

Where did you get that idea?? There are some companies that have pulled out of areas which have too many seniors. Sorry, if we had a government system, that sort of crap wouldn't be happening. And, if you had a problem with your health care under a government system, you could contact your congressional representative to take care of it. Who is there to call now? Who even cares now?

 

[The T]

It's "who" not whom for the subjective case.



The health insurance companies are not in any free market. They have virtual monopolies enabled by the respective states in which they operate.

And you just contradicted yourself, ACE...

They are still PRIVATE Companies, that are Beholden TO Government IF allowed to operate within a particuliar STATE.

Try again.

Where did you get that idea?? There are some companies that have pulled out of areas which have too many seniors. Sorry, if we had a government system, that sort of crap wouldn't be happening. And, if you had a problem with your health care under a government system, you could contact your congressional representative to take care of it. Who is there to call now? Who even cares now?

And why do you think they've pulled OUT of areas with large senoir populations? Government MANDATES.

Go to the ROOT. Government is responsible for the lion's share of what we are seeing and they want to further inflict damage on the PRIVATE Sector...(The Insurance Companies). The Government wants the mailaise LARGER and under their CONTROL.

Do you seriously THINK that Government control over our lives will be better? Do you think at all?

Witness Medicare/Medicaid...Will be bankrupt. Socialist Security...going Bankrupt... BOTH Government Controlled entities...

and here *YOU* are wanting more of the same, to make matters WORSE?

Spare us...Logic is not your strong suit.

 

[veritas]

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[judyd]

And you just contradicted yourself, ACE...

They are still PRIVATE Companies, that are Beholden TO Government IF allowed to operate within a particuliar STATE.

Try again.

Where did you get that idea?? There are some companies that have pulled out of areas which have too many seniors. Sorry, if we had a government system, that sort of crap wouldn't be happening. And, if you had a problem with your health care under a government system, you could contact your congressional representative to take care of it. Who is there to call now? Who even cares now?

And why do you think they've pulled OUT of areas with large senoir populations? Government MANDATES.

Go to the ROOT. Government is responsible for the lion's share of what we are seeing and they want to further inflict damage on the PRIVATE Sector...(The Insurance Companies). The Government wants the mailaise LARGER and under their CONTROL.

Do you seriously THINK that Government control over our lives will be better? Do you think at all?

Witness Medicare/Medicaid...Will be bankrupt. Socialist Security...going Bankrupt... BOTH Government Controlled entities...

and here *YOU* are wanting more of the same, to make matters WORSE?

Spare us...Logic is not your strong suit.

Government mandates??? Where did you get that idea? There was one that left this area because there were too many old people and it wasn't profitable. And they didn't mind saying so. The government had nothing to do with it. With a single option, it would balance out throughout the country.

 

[driveby]

Your entire post is BS liberal talking points but i'll just stick to this one. Your beloved Senator Barack Hussein Obama voted against healthcare reform SIX times if i'm not mistaken, so according to your statement, none of the six were Republican plans........

According to the Congressional Budget Office, (the same non-partisan source that conservatives have been using for deficit data to use against Obama) the bill as a whole will REDUCE the deficit by 80 Billion dollars.

Are you refuting their numbers now, when you were happy to use them before?

What bill moron ? All they have so far is an idea and wtf that have to with what i posted ? .....

 

[Immanuel]

Please chanel and everyone else as well, take some pride in Educating yourself on the Public Option....

The Public option HAS TO PAY FOR ITSELF....NOT ONE DIME of our TAXES goes towards the Public Option.

It is in the legislation that the Public Option pays for itself through the insurance PREMIUMS the customers who CHOSE to go with this insurance plan pays....JUST like all other private insurance companies.

The Public Option must also pay for all of its own administration costs through the premiums charged to their customers.

The Public Option also has a provision that authorizes the administrator to charge the customers MORE than their estimated costs of the program so to have a buffer, a kitty that they can draw from IF they end up having higher health care costs than expected.


The Public Option must follow all rules and regs put upon all private insurance companies on the Insurance Exchange...no special breaks for the public option plan...they have to cover preexisting conditions, etc...like everyone else on the Insurance exchange.

The Public Option is an option WITHIN ONES STATE, it is not set up to be a national plan, but only a public option within the state.

It is NOT a government plan such as Medicare, there ARE NO SPECIAL PRIVILEGES given to this plan....or paying the Doctor less than agreed to etc...it is run as an insurance plan is run in the private sector only there is no profit to pocket, if they make a profit, they have to put this profit back in to better coverage for the members of the plan or a drop in prices for their policies.

Now I ask all of you against it, WHAT IS THE OBJECTION to the Public Option, knowing the above...?

Does not fedex and ups compete with the post office on bigger parcels and do just fine?

care

Care,

What they say today will be changed with the next bill that comes through. Not only that, they can run the "Public Option" at a loss. They don't have to break even, they simply throw more IOU's into the package just like they do Social Security and all you fans of Obama will be crying out his praises.

Also, the Postal Service claim that you guys are trying to throw out doesn't work. FedEx and UPS and all the others can charge what they want to charge. The dying private health insurance industry are being prevented from doing so by law. Big difference!

Immie

good morning immie...

and for goodness sakes...

they can NOT run the Public Option at a loss...IT IS MANDATORY TO BE FULLY FUNDED BY THE POLICY PLAN HOLDERS...in each state.

PLEASE for the love of God, stop spilling this stuff and actually READ the various bills regarding this option. Do you want me to link up to the public plan provisions that back up what i am saying? I will try to find it again, i know i have posted it a few times within the past month....perhaps this is why it is very frustrating when people such as you, continue to let the untruths flow like the Mississippi regarding the public option instead of actually discussing what the bill says, and whether we agree or disagree with the ACTUAL MEASURES in the bill.

THE TRUTH is very important here Immie, and these made up things like what you are saying, is bearing false witness against the plan and the plan bearers, and surely this is not a measure from God...?

AS said, the TRUTH is IMPORTANT, not dishonesty or mischaracterizations of what the public option entails in the bills. It is ALWAYS IMPORTANT to be honestly informed so that all of know what we are for or against...and bringing in stuff that is SIMPLY NOT TRUE, hurts all of us, more than I believe you realize....

care

Care,

The very fact that according to the Democrats in Congress, there are 47 million Americans without health insurance, all of whom will be given "free" health care, proves that you have been lied to and that you are buying this lie. Someone has to pay for those 47 million Americans and guess what, it will be our taxes that pay for it. THINK ABOUT IT FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

All of our policies will be paid for out of tax dollars, some of which they might collect in the given year and the rest of which will be tacked on to our ever-loving great grandchildren who will all think we were fat frigging pigs for heaping our wants and desires on their laps.

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

Democrats admit that the Public Option will lead to Single Payer government run care

Good news to me.

Government health care will ruin CEO quarter billion dollar salaries the same way the Post Office ruins Fed Ex and UPS. Exactly the same way.

So? In other venaculiar? You LOATHE Private enterprise, and ADMIT that you Love huge Government, and LOATHE your own Liberty/Freedom.

Nice that you ADMIT this. NOW we know what your thoughts are. And no wonder you seem to get hammered here.

Thanks for clearing it all up. KUDOS!

That reads like a PI post. It's vernacular. And yes, privateering is what I would call it. Nobody needs to make the kind of money those CEOs are making for public companies. It's criminal.

Then go after the CEO and their outrageous salaries, not that I believe that is right, but don't attack the guy, thousands of guys and ladies, who works the desk at the insurance companies. You're act of revenge hurts a lot more people than the CEO's.

Immie

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I am very happy that no one has been able to effectively challenge the fact that the democrats in charge of this health care fiasco are trying to push a public option so they can have it lead to Socialized Single Payer Government Run Health Care.

Kinda tough to argue when they say it in their own words isn't it .




People feel free to use my links and ideas in the OP without referencing me, I put the facts out there for all americans who might get to see them.

 

[HUGGY]

Democrats admit that the Public Option will lead to Single Payer government run care

Better sell your HMO stock.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Democrats admit that the Public Option will lead to Single Payer government run care

Better sell your HMO stock.

If I had some I would sell it if they get single payer/public option passed.

 

[Vast LWC]

And WHOM makes that judgement exactly?

The Stockholders...Share Holders...when they see poor performance? They'll adjust, won't they?

AGAIN? What business is it of Government in a "Free Market"?

Answer? NONE.

As you well know, only the controlling shareholders will have any say in what the company does. "Regular Joe" shareholders generally don't have any say at all.

If I were to buy a hundred shares of Apple Computers tomorrow, I would not have any say at all in what they paid Steve Jobs.

 

[Vast LWC]

In addition, it doesn't matter whether the shareholders are making the judgement on the CEO pay or not, the money is provided by the INSURED.

Since the private companies are involved in price fixing, monopolization, and back-room deals with medical providers, the INSURED pretty much have no choice but to suck up the fact that their money is going to pay massive CEO payouts.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

In addition, it doesn't matter whether the shareholders are making the judgement on the CEO pay or not, the money is provided by the INSURED.

Since the private companies are involved in price fixing, monopolization, and back-room deals with medical providers, the INSURED pretty much have no choice but to suck up the fact that their money is going to pay massive CEO payouts.

Wont the money still be provided by the insured in a government run program? Done just like the congress does now with back room deals to special interest pharmaceutical companies?

Just bustin your chops buddy