Dem congresswoman says unfair to make medicaid users work since they're all addicts!!

[Superbadbrutha]

I agree though it's tough to say who qualifies as able-bodied. Blacks will say they have a sore back and who knows if it's true or not? Blacks will steal from whites anyway they can and see nothing wrong with doing so.

You are ignorant, racist trash, there are more whites on these programs than anyone. So, if anyone is stealing it is you.

 

[Flopper]

The UK, France and Germany are not exactly third world countries.

Government negotiation of drug prices with pharmaceutical companies are one of the major reasons why drug prices are lower in Europe. In the US, prices are largely determined by private insurance and pharmaceutical benefit managers.

 

[Flopper]

Anyone who fails a drug test or are alcoholics should not get any charity, such as food stamps, welfare, or Medicare.
If they need tough love, that's what they should get.

For people really addicted to drugs or alcohol, it is not life style choice. I have know people on drugs that would stare to death before they gave up drugs.

There is no clear evidence that those receiving goverment benefits are more likely to be addicted to drugs than those not receiving benefits. That would make it legally difficult to require drug testing. In order for government to require drug testing there has to be a sound reason for doing so.

According to HHS, the cost of implementing a program to randomly drug test everyone receiving government benefits would be substantial and very likely to outweigh any potential savings

 

[Foxfyre]

Government negotiation of drug prices with pharmaceutical companies are one of the major reasons why drug prices are lower in Europe. In the US, prices are largely determined by private insurance and pharmaceutical benefit managers.

Baloney. Before meddling by the federal government everybody paid the same prices whether private insurance was involved or not. It is a federal government that feels no responsibility to spend the people's money as effectively, efficiently, frugally as the people would that has driven most of the disparities.

 

[Foxfyre]

Medical care in the past say in the 50's was dirt cheap compared to today and worth about what you paid for it. Diagnostics were x-rays and basic blood tests. Treatment for Heart disease in the 50's was typically developing a healthily life style, retire, take it easy, and wait to die. A diagnosis of of cancer was typically a death sentence.

No doubt government has played a role in the increasing cost, particular regulations on delivering healthcare, and regulations on development of devices and medications. However the biggest factors are cost of high tech treatments and cost of specialized personnel.

In 1950's 85% of American lived in houses and 70% owned those houses. Typically people live in those houses 20 to 25 years. Today only about 60% live in houses. 100 million live apartments. People who own houses live in them an average of 8 years. Those in apartments live there for about 3.6 years.

In most of America today neighborhoods have changed drastically. I remember knowing all of my neighbors next door, across the street and most of the people living down the block. Today I know those that live next door. In my last condo, I really didn't know anyone, they came and left so fast.

The bottom line is that the old neighborhoods are shrinking and they are unlikely to return in most cities in America because the world is changing as are it's people.

Not buying that company line Flopper. Yes medical science has advanced tremendously in the last 70 years but that is neither the explanation for or justification for Americans being charged 1000% or ore than other countries pay.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

When I served on a school board, our meetings, especially committee meetings, were often early mornings. And arriving at the school on a cold, winter morning, it breaks your heart to see the little children huddled and shivering near the cafeteria door waiting to be let in for breakfast. I was one of several instrumental in arranging for a safe room for the kids to gather so that didn't happen.

But when my kids were school age, no matter how rushed or sick or pressured I was, I would NEVER have sent them off to school without breakfast. What kind of parent does that? And should a parent who cannot or will not give a child breakfast be allowed to keep that child? Where do the kids eat on weekends? Or during the summer when the schools are closed for three months?

We did have our kids eat lunch at school because I was usually working and couldn't always get home for lunch. But we sent lunch money with them to pay for it. It would have been hugely embarrassing to think our kids got free lunches because we could not or would not provide for them.

So yes foster care is sometimes the answer. Better yet are good group home facilities that are competently staffed and provide excellent role models and reinforce positive values. These can become permanent homes for children when the parents never step up to their responsibilities.

But children should not be left with irresponsible or incapacitated parents or any other adults who cannot or will not provide at least the bare basic minimum of care and love that all children should receive.

I never had a before school breakfast. Not once. Lunch was the first meal of the day.

 

[kyzr]

Legally there is big difference between drug testing at a place of employment and drug testing the public. In the work place, drug testing is typically a condition of employment and there are logical reasons whey drug testing is needed. It is difficult to show the need in getting government benefits. Also random testing the public is considered unreasonable searches and seizures by the government (4th amendment).

Total bullshit. I had to take drug tests to keep my job, a ******* welfare or medicaid freeloader can to one to to get benefits.
These are NOT RANDOM TESTS OF THE PUBLIC, these are drug tests are a condition before receiving taxpayer dollars.
It is not difficult to show the need for drug tests, we can't afford to keep paying for druggie freeloaders, tough love will force them to get jobs.

 

[kyzr]

For people really addicted to drugs or alcohol, it is not life style choice. I have know people on drugs that would stare to death before they gave up drugs.

Then they need to be detoxed. CECOT looks like place to send them for a few months.

There is no clear evidence that those receiving government benefits are more likely to be addicted to drugs than those not receiving benefits. That would make it legally difficult to require drug testing. In order for government to require drug testing there has to be a sound reason for doing so.

The reason is simple, if one cohort exists without government benefits, the freeloaders need to be cut off and forced to find work.

According to HHS, the cost of implementing a program to randomly drug test everyone receiving government benefits would be substantial and very likely to outweigh any potential savings

Corporations do drug testing all the time. Cost is not the issue, druggies getting benefits is the issue. I'd drug test even if there was no cost savings, just to get some druggies back into the work force like in the answer above.

 

[jknowgood]

Society can not go back. It is just is not possible.

Yes it can, quit giving people a free ride. Either they work or make it the best they can.

 

[jknowgood]

That might inspire him or her to cheat on a drug test but give up drugs, not if the person is really hooked.

There are also legal and practical reasons why we don't drug test for government benefits. First, being both 4th and 5th rights would be violated and second because it would be illegal.

Also research suggests that drug testing welfare recipients is not a cost-effective method for identifying substance abuse or encouraging treatment. Studies have shown that the prevalence of drug use among welfare recipients is similar to that of the general population, making random testing inefficient and expensive.

Then why drug test the workers paying for their benefits?

 

[Foxfyre]

I never had a before school breakfast. Not once. Lunch was the first meal of the day.

I feel badly for you.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I feel badly for you.

I haven't changed. I don't normally eat until at least 11 am.

 

[Frankenstein]

Another problem with medicaid is all the fraud. Blacks and their doctors make false claims all the time and split the money.

Democrat Admits that Medicaid Recipients Can't Follow Work Requirements Because they Are "Addicts"

Wow, she said this!

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Stop handing out narcan at taxpayer expense, democrats are so sad, save the addict kill the babies

 

[22lcidw]

You are ignorant, racist trash, there are more whites on these programs than anyone. So, if anyone is stealing it is you.

See what happens with huge governments. Everything is unfair on who gets the goodies as the allocation thins out. We all are used to this system, and it is growing.

 

[Dragonlady]

Work is always "unfair" to commies....Unless, of course, they're slave labor...Then it's all good.

Universal healthcare means that everyone gets health care whether they work or they don’t. Every other first world nation on earth provides healthcare to all of their citizens, whether they work or not.

Only the USA is cheap and mean to poor people and demands that everybody work for every crumb they are given. No Christian charity for Americans. Get off your asses and work you lazy shits.

This is why the rest of the world has lost all respect for you. The richest nation on earth, refusing to help the poorest people on earth.

Nothing is more disgusting.

 

[Frankenstein]

Universal healthcare means that everyone gets health care whether they work or they don’t. Every other first world nation on earth provides healthcare to all of their citizens, whether they work or not.

Only the USA is cheap and mean to poor people and demands that everybody work for every crumb they are given. No Christian charity for Americans. Get off your asses and work you lazy shits.

This is why the rest of the world has lost all respect for you. The richest nation on earth, refusing to help the poorest people on earth.

Nothing is more disgusting.

Keep that shiite in Canada. I am not responsible for everybody else's health care, I take care of myself, and am in good shape for a man of near 60. I am not paying for those who sit around and get morbidly obese, smoke, drink, and take no care of theirs.

 

[candycorn]

Another problem with medicaid is all the fraud. Blacks and their doctors make false claims all the time and split the money.

Democrat Admits that Medicaid Recipients Can't Follow Work Requirements Because they Are "Addicts"

Wow, she said this!

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Not even remotely what she said.

 

[candycorn]

Baloney. Before meddling by the federal government everybody paid the same prices whether private insurance was involved or not. It is a federal government that feels no responsibility to spend the people's money as effectively, efficiently, frugally as the people would that has driven most of the disparities.

Yeah, you're full of shit.

If you had pre-existing conditions, finding coverage was next to impossible. Even then the premiums were punitive.

 

[candycorn]

Society can not go back. It is just is not possible.

You're forgetting...the "let them die" folks are in power in the government now.

All we can do is hope there is something left to rebuild when they are all dead and gone.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Another problem with medicaid is all the fraud. Blacks and their doctors make false claims all the time and split the money.

Democrat Admits that Medicaid Recipients Can't Follow Work Requirements Because they Are "Addicts"

Wow, she said this!

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/---/ From the same brain trust that believes Blacks are too stupid to get photo ID or search the internet.