'Deep State' Tulsi Gabbard has a Plan to End it.

[Seymour Flops]

She explains it here:

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The hosts states that the Deep State started under Obama, but Gabbard argues that it was there as far back as Bush the Younger and his being pushed into the Iraq War by faked intelligence assessments that "found something a that was not there" in the words of James Clapper.

Meanwhile, many question whether the "Deep State" is even a thing.

It depends on how "Deep State" is defined. If it means an organized secret group within government that conspires to run the country counter to the wishes of the people as expressed through the leaders we elect, I'd say no.

If it means people with long careers in government, who see themselves as the "real government" regardless of who is elected, and who actively work to thwart the current Executive and Congress, and to push their own agendas, then yes, it is clearly a thing.

It is not a pyramid with a leader at the top, but more of a multi-headed snake, or a loosely connected people working alone or in small groups.

Gabbard brings up Vindman, one of the worst examples that has come to light of so-called public servants who believe that they have such superior knowledge, experience, and or motivation that they should run their slice of the state as they see fit.

 

[Oddball]

This would require an AG who is aggressive and unrelenting....We don't have one of those.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Here Devon Nunes asks "why was there a raid at Mar-a-lago,"

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He says at 6:30, "whatever they were looking for, they didn't find. Clearly."

That seems pretty clear to me also, by the fact that nothing leaked about what they found except some vague claims such as "a document with information about another country's nuclear capability," or some such. Skeptics quickly noted that this could be a newpaper article that trump clipped.

What about that, Democrats and "not Democrats?" Did they find what they were looking for? What did they find? How do you know that they found it?

 

[candycorn]

If it means people with long careers in government, who see themselves as the "real government" regardless of who is elected, and who actively work to thwart the current Executive and Congress, and to push their own agendas, then yes, it is clearly a thing.

Just out of curiosity...can you name any of these people you’re talking about?

 

[PeterPilot]

She explains it here:

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The hosts states that the Deep State started under Obama, but Gabbard argues that it was there as far back as Bush the Younger and his being pushed into the Iraq War by faked intelligence assessments that "found something a that was not there" in the words of James Clapper.

Meanwhile, many question whether the "Deep State" is even a thing.

It depends on how "Deep State" is defined. If it means an organized secret group within government that conspires to run the country counter to the wishes of the people as expressed through the leaders we elect, I'd say no.

If it means people with long careers in government, who see themselves as the "real government" regardless of who is elected, and who actively work to thwart the current Executive and Congress, and to push their own agendas, then yes, it is clearly a thing.

It is not a pyramid with a leader at the top, but more of a multi-headed snake, or a loosely connected people working alone or in small groups.

Gabbard brings up Vindman, one of the worst examples that has come to light of so-called public servants who believe that they have such superior knowledge, experience, and or motivation that they should run their slice of the state as they see fit.

Excellent post, but you're down to semantics in your definitions. Very few OPs contain definitions regarding terms used in their post. I commend you for that.

In the end, Deep State is just another human construct, like "Republic" or "Democracy" or "National Security".

I see both definitions you offer as good and relevant. One does not necessarily exclude the other, for purposes of discussion both are useful. We ordinary citizens, in examining this thing, are like the 2 blind mice exploring the elephant and trying to define it.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Well she fired half of them so I guess if she fires everyone then she will. Of course we will be blind completely, but heh no deep state.