Creationists

[Youwerecreated]

We can never prove what the supernatural cause for the universe is so I guess that means we don't really exist?

In your continued state of stupor, you fail to comprehend that making emphatic claims to supernatural entities which, having no basis in reality, means that your "because I say so" claims are quite silly.

You never answer the question. Your posts are just noise.

Just like a mutation it destroy's the signal.

 

[Youwerecreated]

You know real science hit you in the face, but you lack the honesty of intellectual integrity to admit it. Superstitious retards like yourself assert your baseless claims of absolute certainty, yet fail to provide ANY substantiation in verifiable evidence or valid logic for their claims. Why is that, Sis?

"Could have" is exactly right.

Unlike you--and your band of superstitious retards--who claim they are absolutely certain of what did happen, actual scientists express what "could have" happened because they have the intellectual honesty to admit that they could be wrong.

The brainwashing runs deep with this one. There is nothing wrong with speculation under the scientific method. That is how we come up with a testable hypothesis. But when your so called theory above has 43 (!!!!) untested gaps, please be intellectually honest enough to yourself to admit this is a fairytale, not real science. Evolutionary theory has bastardized science to the point you don't even know what it is. Even geophysicist know when they are making predictions about the distant past, to look to the present for NATURAL, observable phenomena as a basis for their predictions. They don't make up a bunch of crap about what might have or could have happened when their proposed methods have never been observed in nature. Real scientist test their might haves and could haves, and try to limit their variable to one or two unknowns, NOT 43!!!!

Also, I guess you have the right to remain silent on where the digital protein building instructions originated from.

Yes. I will remain silent on your logically invalid assertions based upon question-begging presumptions.

Superstitious retards like yourself assert your baseless claims of absolute certainty, yet fail to provide ANY substantiation in verifiable evidence or valid logic for their claims. Why is that, Sis?

Well if that's not the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Loki, since you obviously want to believe in your materialist religion so bad that your judgement is seriously clouded, even if you don't admit to the seriously flawed entirety of the study, I would like for you to give me your take on just this one damning statement made:

"Moreover, even if there was some way that organic proto-cells could have assembled, it was necessary in the experiments outlined above to seed the organic vesicles with DNA itself."

What does the study even prove in light of this?

Superstitious retards like yourself assert your baseless claims of absolute certainty, yet fail to provide ANY substantiation in verifiable evidence or valid logic for their claims. Why is that, Sis?

Typical non-response. You don't even have a clue what you are cut and pasting from the atheist websites. When you are actually asked to have an opinion of your own, you clam up, Bro. You are reduced to repeating the same phrase over and over again as if no one will notice your absolute ignorance to the topic at hand.

What you have failed to grasp, which Hollie also conveniently ignores, is that I am not a Creationists, but an ID Theorist. I make no metaphysical claims about the identity of the designer because that would be outside the realm of science. I have, however, presented Stephen Meyers argument for a Designer numerous times here. Hollie just likes to ignore what has been presented in her bullying attempts to make others look foolish but any one who has followed this thread can see she is the real douche', constantly repeating the same tired dribble over and over again when evidence has been presented numerous times to the contrary. Now it looks like you are becoming one of her lackey's. So good luck with that and by the way, no one is falling for your flowery language cover either. Anyone can pick up a dictionary, but hard as you try, no amount of big words will every make you able to respond to a logical argument. I won't waste my time with your foolishness anymore.

This is totally true,he can't generate one thought on his own,he turns to answer questions with copying and pasting and not even understand what he pasted.

 

[Hollie]

every discovery? You're funny! Like DNA and human consciousness. Please show me DNA's natural cause? The cell's natural cause? Gravity's natural cause? The cause of the universe? Yep Hollie you have it ALL figured out.

Not knowing all the answers STILL doen't mean that everything was made by an invisible superbeing in another dimension that no one has ever seen. That's not a logical conclusion, in an otherwise logical universe.

Well it most certainly don't support naturalism.

Of course it does.

Nothing about supermagicalism supports naturalism. Certainly nothing about angry gods supports naturalism.

 

[Hollie]

Good post.

I was hoping the fundie could explain what is supernatural about DNA, gravity or the universe but that would only prompt a lengthy cut and paste from Harun Yahya.

In the end, evidence, proof, valid logic, are all meaningless terms to him, to all Creationists in fact. It's just a better, and more useful expenditure of your time to expose them for the intellectually dishonest superstitious retards that they are; to point out vividly their intellectual and moral cretinism to children and those with childish intellects, so the Creationists' vain, mendacious, anti-reason, reality-denying hubris doesn't spread and kill every hope for a decent, thoughtful, just, and peaceful society.

He is not a creationist Loki.

He certainly is.

 

[Hollie]

The only retards are the last three posters with terrible reading comprehension problems. Hollie's statement is a lie, and your materialist religion has blinded you to the foolishness of her lie. You speak of faith, but it is your faith that allows to to believe that the things I mentioned in my post have a natural cause, because you don't have a single shred of scientific evidence to prove otherwise. So it is by faith you believe, absent from any facts. This is where I ask you to put up or shut up for even one of the items, let's say, DNA for instance. Please show me the scientific "evidence" for a natural cause. I'm not talking about the "just so", "might have", "could have" evolution stories, but real, experimentally verifiable evidence for DNA's natural cause.

This is the point the crickets start chirping.

Not to imply that your anti-reason paradigm is in any way valid, but bhere's a whole world out there that runs on a natural process called chemistry. Perhaps you've heard of it?

Now what constructed that order to allow it to continue repeating itself ?

What put it into motion ?

Natural processes.

 

[LOki]

Typical non-response. You don't even have a clue what you are cut and pasting from the atheist websites. When you are actually asked to have an opinion of your own, you clam up, Bro. You are reduced to repeating the same phrase over and over again as if no one will notice your absolute ignorance to the topic at hand.

What you have failed to grasp, which Hollie also conveniently ignores, is that I am not a Creationists, but an ID Theorist. I make no metaphysical claims about the identity of the designer because that would be outside the realm of science. I have, however, presented Stephen Meyers argument for a Designer numerous times here. Hollie just likes to ignore what has been presented in her bullying attempts to make others look foolish but any one who has followed this thread can see she is the real douche', constantly repeating the same tired dribble over and over again when evidence has been presented numerous times to the contrary. Now it looks like you are becoming one of her lackey's. So good luck with that and by the way, no one is falling for your flowery language cover either. Anyone can pick up a dictionary, but hard as you try, no amount of big words will every make you able to respond to a logical argument. I won't waste my time with your foolishness anymore.

Steven Myers?

Superstitious retards like yourself assert your baseless claims of absolute certainty, yet fail to provide ANY substantiation in verifiable evidence or valid logic for their claims. Why is that, Sis?

You tell me, Bro.

I suspect it's because superstitious retards like yourself CAN'T provide ANY substantiation in verifiable evidence or valid logic for your claims.

 

[Hollie]

Name one discovery by science that has a known supernatural cause, please. I would love to know.

I've asked that same question on several occasions only to be met with the standard fundie pattern of behavior to stutter, mumble and launch into a tirade of calling people liars.

I've never known a single, verifiable discovery in science that had a supernatural underpinning.

Why can't the fundies be honest and present evidence for their supernatural, supermagical realms?

I guess we could say how life came from non living matter.

So... why can't fundies be honest and present evidence for their supernatural, supermagical realms?

 

[Hollie]

If you are willing to fall for it. What a joke!!!!

I was talking about scientific evidence that can be replicated in a laboratory. Not "just so" stories and "might have" or "could have" hypothesis.

Please tell me you are not foolish enough to buy this as REAL SCIENCE?

Says the guy who thinks that the bible is proof that the world was made in 6 days.

At least scientists are trying to replicate this in a lab and are searching for answers. You on the other hand, have come to the scene of a crime, see someone dead on the ground and because you don't know how to look for real evidence, declare him murdered by an invisible being in another dimension. Any dumber and you could stop breathing. Watch out!

He is not a creationist. I repeat he is not a creationist.

You repeat many things which are not true.

I'm still waiting for you or the other creationist to identify a single discovery in science that has been identified as being of supernatural origins. You insist that supermagical gods are extant and have "designed" life on this planet but you have never identified a single event or instance where this supermagicalism can be discerned.

It's obvious to any observer that appeals to fear and ignorance may have a resonance with a certain component of society that is objectively ignorant regarding science but why should anyone who has studied science accept your fears and superstitions?

 

[Youwerecreated]

Not knowing all the answers STILL doen't mean that everything was made by an invisible superbeing in another dimension that no one has ever seen. That's not a logical conclusion, in an otherwise logical universe.

Well it most certainly don't support naturalism.

Of course it does.

Nothing about supermagicalism supports naturalism. Certainly nothing about angry gods supports naturalism.

If everything came into existence by naturalism What caused the start of this universe if you attempt to answer this question please do not give me that requires conjecture. Give me hard cold facts,to think that everything came into existence by accident is a large leap of faith because it violates everything we see. Life is caused by an action.Technology is caused by an action. Intelligence is caused by an action. Design is caused by an action.

 

[Youwerecreated]

In the end, evidence, proof, valid logic, are all meaningless terms to him, to all Creationists in fact. It's just a better, and more useful expenditure of your time to expose them for the intellectually dishonest superstitious retards that they are; to point out vividly their intellectual and moral cretinism to children and those with childish intellects, so the Creationists' vain, mendacious, anti-reason, reality-denying hubris doesn't spread and kill every hope for a decent, thoughtful, just, and peaceful society.

He is not a creationist Loki.

He certainly is.

They are two different belief systems all though we do have views in common with each other.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Not to imply that your anti-reason paradigm is in any way valid, but bhere's a whole world out there that runs on a natural process called chemistry. Perhaps you've heard of it?

Now what constructed that order to allow it to continue repeating itself ?

What put it into motion ?

Natural processes.

Hollie give me one example in technology that was not the product of intelligence and why would you draw the line there and not assume at a biological level there was no intelligence needed to design life ?

Funny as intelligent as scientist are even though they have tried they have not been able to design a cell that has the ability to replicate itself with all the technology and complicated machine and the proper enviornments to do so and they can't. Hmm your natural process is beyond our compreshension much like our creator.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Steven Myers?

Superstitious retards like yourself assert your baseless claims of absolute certainty, yet fail to provide ANY substantiation in verifiable evidence or valid logic for their claims. Why is that, Sis?

You tell me, Bro.

I suspect it's because superstitious retards like yourself CAN'T provide ANY substantiation in verifiable evidence or valid logic for your claims.

When are you gonna start backing up your claims with data ?

 

[Youwerecreated]

I've asked that same question on several occasions only to be met with the standard fundie pattern of behavior to stutter, mumble and launch into a tirade of calling people liars.

I've never known a single, verifiable discovery in science that had a supernatural underpinning.

Why can't the fundies be honest and present evidence for their supernatural, supermagical realms?

I guess we could say how life came from non living matter.

So... why can't fundies be honest and present evidence for their supernatural, supermagical realms?

I just did, this would violate all known laws as we know them and evidence as we observe it.

 

[LOki]

Now what constructed that order to allow it to continue repeating itself ?

What put it into motion ?

Natural processes.

Hollie give me one example in technology that was not the product of intelligence and why would you draw the line there and not assume at a biological level there was no intelligence needed to desing life ?

Funny as intelligent as scientist are even though they have tried they have not been able to design a cell that has the ability to replicate itself with all the technology and complicated machine and the proper enviornments to do so and they can't. Hmm your natural process is beyond our compreshension much like our creator.

Funnier still is how your alternative "theory" has at it's fundamental premise an obvious and fatal logical fallacy.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Hollie If everything is made up of matter which there is no doubt, where did the matter come from ?

 

[Hollie]

I guess we could say how life came from non living matter.

So... why can't fundies be honest and present evidence for their supernatural, supermagical realms?

I just did, this would violate all known laws as we know them and evidence as we observe it.

Nonsense. You're addled with pressing a religious agenda that is frequently at odds with science fact.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Natural processes.

Hollie give me one example in technology that was not the product of intelligence and why would you draw the line there and not assume at a biological level there was no intelligence needed to desing life ?

Funny as intelligent as scientist are even though they have tried they have not been able to design a cell that has the ability to replicate itself with all the technology and complicated machine and the proper enviornments to do so and they can't. Hmm your natural process is beyond our compreshension much like our creator.

Funnier still is how your alternative "theory" has at it's fundamental premise an obvious and fatal logical fallacy.

The logical fallacy is your reasoning.

 

[LOki]

You tell me, Bro.

I suspect it's because superstitious retards like yourself CAN'T provide ANY substantiation in verifiable evidence or valid logic for your claims.

When are you gonna start backing up your claims with data ?

What kind of data for your lack of "verifiable evidence or valid logic" for your claims do you expect I should provide?

 

[Youwerecreated]

So... why can't fundies be honest and present evidence for their supernatural, supermagical realms?

I just did, this would violate all known laws as we know them and evidence as we observe it.

Nonsense. You're addled with pressing a religious agenda that is frequently at odds with science fact.

Which you are unable to present.