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What I wrote is based on generally known public knowledge within China. It is not based on CCP propaganda or anything “they say.” My own contacts in China have described these phone apps and confirmed how they are used. I cannot say they are used in every city in exactly the same way, of course. But nobody denies the success China has had in stopping spread of Covid-19.Much more powerful apps are in use or were used flexibly and effectively in China and Korea, Taiwan, etc. We in the U.S. never really tried them, but then we also simply no longer do tracing and contact tracing, or even quarantining. We essentially abandoned all that. We will survive anyway, of course, but with many more cases and deaths than in once thought to be “backward” Asia.
Such a system can’t be used effectively here because our people seem to be much more afraid of “Big Brother” than of the virus, and even our “Big Brother” is more afraid of its own citizens than of the virus.
Just imagine what would happen if we faced a virus that really had, say, a 10% fatality rate — and hit young people equally with the old. Such a “Big Brother” system then, I believe, would prove crucial.
In China, where teeming cities are filled with high rise apartments filled with small apartments where three generations often live together, the threat of COVID was much greater. When the virus was still spreading, not well understood, and extremely feared, phone apps were developed there that became central tools of the health authorities.
In major Chinese cities notice of the location of every discovered case in every neighborhood was automatically sent out, so everybody knew if somebody working at the local pizza shop got infected, or in your housing complex, or at your child’s school. If you were sick or were tested the results were automatically placed on your app, so you might have a “red” code. With such a code you were in quarantine, could not enter the subway, a department store, travel to another city, etc. Of course you could eventually arrange to have another test and get upgraded to a yellow or green code. Codes were checked everywhere, and this proved highly effective in isolating individuals and ending the virus spread — it allowed China to end total lockdowns in many cities early and with more confidence. It wasn’t all smooth, but with mask wearing and social distancing too China rather quickly stopped all spread of this tricky often non-symptomatic virus.
Just thought I’d outline what I know worked in China, which of course has a more obedient population, much more powerful government control, more experience fighting epidemics, more volunteers willing to be mobilized quickly, etc., etc.
China lied about the virus from day one and you can’t believe or trust anything they say. Remember, they sold us toys with lead in the paint and drywall that poisoned many. I will never be stupid and trust China. You go right ahead, but if they lied at the beginning why would they be telling us the truth now?
That's what happens when you have a terrible record with Human Rights. You just need to dig a little deeper and get to the details.What I wrote is based on generally known public knowledge within China. It is not based on CCP propaganda or anything “they say.” My own contacts in China have described these phone apps and confirmed how they are used. I cannot say they are used in every city in exactly the same way, of course. But nobody denies the success China has had in stopping spread of Covid-19.Much more powerful apps are in use or were used flexibly and effectively in China and Korea, Taiwan, etc. We in the U.S. never really tried them, but then we also simply no longer do tracing and contact tracing, or even quarantining. We essentially abandoned all that. We will survive anyway, of course, but with many more cases and deaths than in once thought to be “backward” Asia.
Such a system can’t be used effectively here because our people seem to be much more afraid of “Big Brother” than of the virus, and even our “Big Brother” is more afraid of its own citizens than of the virus.
Just imagine what would happen if we faced a virus that really had, say, a 10% fatality rate — and hit young people equally with the old. Such a “Big Brother” system then, I believe, would prove crucial.
In China, where teeming cities are filled with high rise apartments filled with small apartments where three generations often live together, the threat of COVID was much greater. When the virus was still spreading, not well understood, and extremely feared, phone apps were developed there that became central tools of the health authorities.
In major Chinese cities notice of the location of every discovered case in every neighborhood was automatically sent out, so everybody knew if somebody working at the local pizza shop got infected, or in your housing complex, or at your child’s school. If you were sick or were tested the results were automatically placed on your app, so you might have a “red” code. With such a code you were in quarantine, could not enter the subway, a department store, travel to another city, etc. Of course you could eventually arrange to have another test and get upgraded to a yellow or green code. Codes were checked everywhere, and this proved highly effective in isolating individuals and ending the virus spread — it allowed China to end total lockdowns in many cities early and with more confidence. It wasn’t all smooth, but with mask wearing and social distancing too China rather quickly stopped all spread of this tricky often non-symptomatic virus.
Just thought I’d outline what I know worked in China, which of course has a more obedient population, much more powerful government control, more experience fighting epidemics, more volunteers willing to be mobilized quickly, etc., etc.
China lied about the virus from day one and you can’t believe or trust anything they say. Remember, they sold us toys with lead in the paint and drywall that poisoned many. I will never be stupid and trust China. You go right ahead, but if they lied at the beginning why would they be telling us the truth now?
And you think you have “dug deeper” than I have into what really happened during the Covid outbreak in China?That's what happens when you have a terrible record with Human Rights. You just need to dig a little deeper and get to the details.
Well, Tom, it sure sounds like you approve of their methods to attain control of the virus.And you think you have “dug deeper” than I have into what really happened during the Covid outbreak in China?That's what happens when you have a terrible record with Human Rights. You just need to dig a little deeper and get to the details.
My view — and I’ve dug deep — is that China’s solutions were extraordinarily appropriate and effective — for China’s reality. The very nature of our society with U.S. citizens’ present extreme hostility to and suspicion of government, our federal system, and our strongly individualistic conception of “human rights,” meant that we could not adopt China’s methods for defeating Covid. I never argued that the U.S. should adopt measures only appropriate for them.Well, Tom, it sure sounds like you approve of their methods to attain control of the virus.And you think you have “dug deeper” than I have into what really happened during the Covid outbreak in China?That's what happens when you have a terrible record with Human Rights. You just need to dig a little deeper and get to the details.
So I'm not sure if you dug deeper, or you have a much different view of Human Rights than I do.
Or, the fact you believe anything that China tells you.
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Yes, I'm aware that you are functionally illiterate. Re-read the sentence I was directly replying to.Wow! Not sure what to say on this one, I'm stunned.No we're not. That's dumbass rally-goers and Sturgis retards.If you can't figure it out....the liberals are still getting the China Flu even with masks and social distancing.Is this deliberate, willful trolling and the attending self-loathing that comes with it, or just simple-minded hatred and ignorance?Dont know what to think on this. Is it a ray of hope or just another demonstration of hypocrisy by the party of science?
Despite promise, few in US adopting COVID-19 exposure apps (apnews.com)
Why would Liberals need an app for Covid exposure when we social distance and wear masks everywhere we go?
So only conservatives are getting the China Flu, got it.
Did Madcow tell you that?
No. We're not. Any Liberals still getting Covid are not getting it even though they are wearing masks and SD. They are getting it by being young and careless, like a lot of Liberal college students, or working in medicine, like Liberal doctors and nurses and staff, or maybe just finding out that some maskless asshole in a red cap has been standing behind you in line. I would love to see an ideological breakdown of Covid cases.If you can't figure it out....the liberals are still getting the China Flu even with masks and social distancing.
If you're distancing, then you don't need the app.So wouldn't you need the app to avoid them.......and if you're distancing you should be fine.No, a lot of Trumpers are infecting others due to their ignorance and not give a shit about anybody else attitude. So, yes, real Americans are collateral damage to their Trump Cult.Gee didn't know only Trumpeters died of it.....thanks for the science lessonIs this deliberate, willful trolling and the attending self-loathing that comes with it, or just simple-minded hatred and ignorance?Dont know what to think on this. Is it a ray of hope or just another demonstration of hypocrisy by the party of science?
Despite promise, few in US adopting COVID-19 exposure apps (apnews.com)
Why would Liberals need an app for Covid exposure when we social distance and wear masks everywhere we go?
You don't even know what the fuck you responded to, idiot. Now you're in the damage control, idiot.Yes, I'm aware that you are functionally illiterate. Re-read the sentence I was directly replying to.Wow! Not sure what to say on this one, I'm stunned.No we're not. That's dumbass rally-goers and Sturgis retards.If you can't figure it out....the liberals are still getting the China Flu even with masks and social distancing.Is this deliberate, willful trolling and the attending self-loathing that comes with it, or just simple-minded hatred and ignorance?Dont know what to think on this. Is it a ray of hope or just another demonstration of hypocrisy by the party of science?
Despite promise, few in US adopting COVID-19 exposure apps (apnews.com)
Why would Liberals need an app for Covid exposure when we social distance and wear masks everywhere we go?
So only conservatives are getting the China Flu, got it.
Did Madcow tell you that?
No. We're not. Any Liberals still getting Covid are not getting it even though they are wearing masks and SD. They are getting it by being young and careless, like a lot of Liberal college students, or working in medicine, like Liberal doctors and nurses and staff, or maybe just finding out that some maskless asshole in a red cap has been standing behind you in line. I would love to see an ideological breakdown of Covid cases.If you can't figure it out....the liberals are still getting the China Flu even with masks and social distancing.
Given the blatant and outrageous abuses that we have already experienced in connection with the #CoronaHoax2020, how stupid does someone have to be to trust that information collected via one of these apps will not be abused to the detriment of those who are foolish enough to run them?
Big Brother can go fuck himself.
They know everywhere you go, every website you visit, every phone call you make, every email or text message you send. They know what TV shows and movies you like, and you've given Facebook so much goddamned information over the years they can tell you when you have to go take a shit.They don't know squat about me and the China Flu. true storyBig Brother doesn't need this app to know everything about you, which they already do.Yeah, I didn't turn it on, I thought it was stupid 6 months ago, and I still think it's stupid.
Big Brother is watching
You are so compliant.
This is from back on November 1:No, a lot of Trumpers are infecting others due to their ignorance and not give a shit about anybody else attitude. So, yes, real Americans are collateral damage to their Trump Cult.Gee didn't know only Trumpeters died of it.....thanks for the science lessonIs this deliberate, willful trolling and the attending self-loathing that comes with it, or just simple-minded hatred and ignorance?Dont know what to think on this. Is it a ray of hope or just another demonstration of hypocrisy by the party of science?
Despite promise, few in US adopting COVID-19 exposure apps (apnews.com)
Why would Liberals need an app for Covid exposure when we social distance and wear masks everywhere we go?
You don't know squat and it looks like you never will. They know my blood type.They know everywhere you go, every website you visit, every phone call you make, every email or text message you send. They know what TV shows and movies you like, and you've given Facebook so much goddamned information over the years they can tell you when you have to go take a shit.They don't know squat about me and the China Flu. true storyBig Brother doesn't need this app to know everything about you, which they already do.Yeah, I didn't turn it on, I thought it was stupid 6 months ago, and I still think it's stupid.
Big Brother is watching
You are so compliant.
