Could the climate be changing and the sea levels rising because of something other than CO2?

[Cougarbear]

I found this article out today underground water that is 3 times as much as the oceans of today have in them. Are there ways that this water is getting to the surface, increasing the water levels, rather than the polar ice caps supposedly melting and yet the levels have gone down is some places and up in others? Could this somehow be a source of increased CO2 as well?

Also, could this also be where the water went from Noah's Flood? Definitely could have been the waters from the deep that helped flood the earth...

MSN

 

[Thunk]

The sea levels are not rising.

I go to the cost and the houses I saw 50 years ago are still there...and they ain't no closer to the ocean than they ever were.

The fishing pier isn't under water either...and that's been there since I was a little kid. Longer in fact.

 

[Cougarbear]

The sea levels are not rising.

I go to the cost and the houses I saw 50 years ago are still there...and they ain't no closer to the ocean than they ever were.

The fishing pier isn't under water either...and that's been there since I was a little kid. Longer in fact.

Agreed. But, to the climate change religionist, could this be the challenge instead of CO2? They are all so narrow minded.

 

[Woodznutz]

I found this article out today underground water that is 3 times as much as the oceans of today have in them. Are there ways that this water is getting to the surface, increasing the water levels, rather than the polar ice caps supposedly melting and yet the levels have gone down is some places and up in others? Could this somehow be a source of increased CO2 as well?

Also, could this also be where the water went from Noah's Flood? Definitely could have been the waters from the deep that helped flood the earth...

MSN

Actually, an interesting subject. However, the bible account says the waters receded from the earth. They didn't soak back into the ground, which also couldn't fit the time frame of the recovery.

Regarding CO2. Perhaps it is global warming that is responsible for increasing levels of atmospheric CO2. When temperatures rise decomposition of organic matter accelerates creating CO2 at a faster rate that it can be sequestered. Maybe we've got it backwards. Regardless, I think we have a climate problem.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Yes there are other factors.
The huge volcanic eruption in the Pacific in Jan. 2022 that the media totally ignored.
It put massive amounts water into the atmosphere and water vapor is a greenhouse gas.
The eruption is most likely to blame for the heat wave we're experiencing this summer.

 

[Cougarbear]

Actually, an interesting subject. However, the bible account says the waters receded from the earth. They didn't soak back into the ground, which also couldn't fit the time frame of the recovery.

Regarding CO2. Perhaps it is global warming that is responsible for increasing levels of atmospheric CO2. When temperatures rise decomposition of organic matter accelerates creating CO2 at a faster rate that it can be sequestered. Maybe we've got it backwards. Regardless, I think we have a climate problem.

Well, receded where? Back into the earths through great fissions in the earth that closed up.
Good point on the CO2. Continued volcanic eruptions around the world heats up the earth. The sun as well. Then there is tons of hot air coming from Democrats and their leftist woke ideas

 

[Woodznutz]

Well, receded where?
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Back to the "fountains of the great deep", the oceans from whence it came. The forty days of rain was just a warmup for the main flood that came in from the sea.

Also worthy of note is that fresh water has no antiseptic properties as does salt water. The bacterial corruption that all the drowning caused had to be cleansed from the earth.

 

[Cougarbear]

Back to the "fountains of the great deep", the oceans from whence it came. The forty days of rain was just a warmup for the main flood that came in from the sea.

Yep, that’s what the water is 400 miles deep from the article. The flood also came from above as surrounding the earth. That’s why people lived so long before the flood. The harmful rays were blocked.

 

[Flopper]

I found this article out today underground water that is 3 times as much as the oceans of today have in them. Are there ways that this water is getting to the surface, increasing the water levels, rather than the polar ice caps supposedly melting and yet the levels have gone down is some places and up in others? Could this somehow be a source of increased CO2 as well?

Also, could this also be where the water went from Noah's Flood? Definitely could have been the waters from the deep that helped flood the earth...

MSN

I don't know about Noah's flood but oceans of water beneath the earth surface causing the oceans on the surface to rise seems a bit far fetched for several reasons.

What evidence is there to support this hypothesis? These oceans of water are over 400 miles beneath the surface and locked in ringwoodite, a high-pressure phase of magnesium silicate formed at high temperatures and pressures. If ringwoodite had started releasing great volumes of water, wouldn't we have seen rising water levels in land locked lakes and oceans as well seismographic data. Also, this water is not an ocean, at least not in the way we think of oceans but rather tiny droplets of water locked in the ringwoodite. Lastly, these so called great oceans of water trapped in ringwoodite are an assumption based on studies of seismometer data. Your speculation that these underground oceans are responsible for the rise in sea levels is based on the speculation that these underground seas actually exist. I think you're grasping at straws.

Earth may have underground 'ocean' three times that on surface

Scientists say rock layer hundreds of miles down holds vast amount of water, opening up new theories on how planet formed

www.theguardian.com

 

[Cougarbear]

I don't know about Noah's flood but oceans of water beneath the earth surface causing the oceans on the surface to rise seems a bit far fetched for several reasons.

What evidence is there to support this hypothesis? These oceans of water are over 400 miles beneath the surface and locked in ringwoodite, a high-pressure phase of magnesium silicate formed at high temperatures and pressures. If ringwoodite had started releasing great volumes of water, wouldn't we have seen rising water levels in land locked lakes and oceans as well seismographic data. Also, this water is not an ocean, at least not in the way we think of oceans but rather tiny droplets of water locked in the ringwoodite. Lastly, these so called great oceans of water trapped in ringwoodite are an assumption based on studies of seismometer data. Your speculation that these underground oceans are responsible for the rise in sea levels is based on the speculation that these underground seas actually exist. I think you're grasping at straws.

Earth may have underground 'ocean' three times that on surface

Scientists say rock layer hundreds of miles down holds vast amount of water, opening up new theories on how planet formed

www.theguardian.com

As one poster mentioned, there have been massive outpouring of water from volcanos. Perhapse picked up on the way up? Or, just by some natural leaks. The thing is, the ocean waters may seep into the crust down to the lower layers where the water is and then come up in the volcanos. Seems plausible. That’s why the oceans aren’t all rising at the same levels too. As explained in another article, some oceans rise and fall in evenly around the world. CO2 is not to blame with that either. There is no global warming crises.

 

[Lemmi]

Carbonn haters don't want you to know this but water vapor is a bigger greenhouse gas than CO2. They don't want you to know that the undersea Tonga volcanic eruption in January of 2022 put huge amounts of water vapor into the atmosphere which is causing your global warming. Sell all the electric cars and solar panels you want and nature will always win in the end.

 

[Crick]

Carbonn haters don't want you to know this but water vapor is a bigger greenhouse gas than CO2. They don't want you to know that the undersea Tonga volcanic eruption in January of 2022 put huge amounts of water vapor into the atmosphere which is causing your global warming. Sell all the electric cars and solar panels you want and nature will always win in the end.

Carbon haters would like the world to take some basic science classes. Water vapor is indeed a greenhouse gas and has a greater effect than the CO2 in our air. But neither humans nor volcanoes can directly alter the amount of water vapor in the Earth's atmosphere because it is a precipitable compound. The amount of water in the atmosphere is dependent on the Earth's average air temperature. If you try to add more, it will simply rain out. If you tried to remove it, it would simply replenish itself through evaporation. Because of that, it is a feedback to warming or cooling by other causes, but only that. This is all discussed in the IPCC assessment reports and many basic science texts. No one is trying to hide it.

 

[Oddball]

Carbon haters would like the world to take some basic science classes. Water vapor is indeed a greenhouse gas and has a greater effect than the CO2 in our air. But neither humans nor volcanoes can directly alter the amount of water vapor in the Earth's atmosphere because it is a precipitable compound. The amount of water in the atmosphere is dependent on the Earth's average air temperature. If you try to add more, it will simply rain out. If you tried to remove it, it would simply replenish itself through evaporation. Because of that, it is a feedback to warming or cooling by other causes, but only that.

Accordingly, higher CO2 concentrations would bring about faster forest and grassland growth, thereby sequestering more of the gas.....Cuts both ways.

This is all discussed in the IPCC assessment reports and many basic science texts. No one is trying to hide it.

Nobody with a lick of sense gives a fuck what that closed society of scientism cultists has to say.

 

[Crick]

Accordingly

"Accordingly"? I don't think that means what you think it means. I think you may have meant to say "Conversely".

higher CO2 concentrations would bring about faster forest and grassland growth, thereby sequestering more of the gas.....Cuts both ways.

A 50% increase in atmospheric CO2 over a span of 150 years has done no such thing as of yet.

Nobody with a lick of sense gives a fuck what that closed society of scientism cultists has to say.

A sentence filled end to end with "facts" not in evidence.

 

[Flopper]

As one poster mentioned, there have been massive outpouring of water from volcanos. Perhapse picked up on the way up? Or, just by some natural leaks. The thing is, the ocean waters may seep into the crust down to the lower layers where the water is and then come up in the volcanos. Seems plausible. That’s why the oceans aren’t all rising at the same levels too. As explained in another article, some oceans rise and fall in evenly around the world. CO2 is not to blame with that either. There is no global warming crises.

No, waters are not seeping into the crust down to lower layers where water is.
Water vapor, CO2, and Sulphur Dioxide are primary vapors from volcanos. It is true that water vapor varies from 1% to 10%. It is also true that exceptionally high volcanic activity in 2022.

For volcanic activity to have any effect on climate change or rising in sea levels we would expect to see some significant trend in increases in volcanic activity in the 21st century, and over the last few hundred years. However, according the Smithsonian Institution's Global Volcanism Program that maintains the largest database of volcanic activity that goes back thousands of years, there has been no trend of increasing volcanic activity in this century or the last century, or within last thousand years.

The deepest part of ocean is about 7 to 10 miles deep. The earth's crust varies from 3 to 43 miles beneath the surface. it is composted non-porous rock such as granite, slate, marble which would make significant seepage very unlikely. And even it did, how would ocean water make it's way down over 300 miles of every increasing pressure to the ringwoodite where these so called oceans exist? What you are suggesting would be impossible with what we know of the earth's stricture.

BTW, calling the water trapped in ringwoodite an ocean is simply a misstatement. The statement in the report said there could be 3 times as much water in the ringwoodite as in all of the oceans. That is certainly possible since the layer of ringwoodite is about a hundred miles thick and it incases the outer core of the earth. It is certainly not an ocean. It is simple layers of rock with containing moisture.

And no water seeping out of ocean is not responsible for oceans rising at different rates
The rise in sea level is not uniform because Earth's ocean aren't warming at the same rate everywhere. This results in regional differences in relative sea level rise, with areas that are warming faster seeing faster sea level rise. Changes in ocean circulation also contribute to regional sea level differences.

From Core to Crust: Defining Earth’s Layers

The inside of our planet is made primarily out of iron and nickel and dark, dense rock.

www.calacademy.org

Sea Level 101, Part Two: All Sea Level is ‘Local'

As discussed in our last Sea Level 101 blog post, we know sea level on the open ocean isn’t really flat. A number of factors combine to determine the topography of the ocean surface. Global sea level rise is complex as well. To begin with, it has multiple causes, including the thermal expansion...

climate.nasa.gov

Volcanic Activity Isn't Increasing Across the Planet

2022 was an exciting and hazardous year for volcanic eruptions, starting with the massive blast from Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha'apai. Is this part of a pattern of increasing volcanism? No, not at all.

www.discovermagazine.com

 

[Cougarbear]

No, waters are not seeping into the crust down to lower layers where water is.
Water vapor, CO2, and Sulphur Dioxide are primary vapors from volcanos. It is true that water vapor varies from 1% to 10%. It is also true that exceptionally high volcanic activity in 2022.

For volcanic activity to have any effect on climate change or rising in sea levels we would expect to see some significant trend in increases in volcanic activity in the 21st century, and over the last few hundred years. However, according the Smithsonian Institution's Global Volcanism Program that maintains the largest database of volcanic activity that goes back thousands of years, there has been no trend of increasing volcanic activity in this century or the last century, or within last thousand years.

The deepest part of ocean is about 7 to 10 miles deep. The earth's crust varies from 3 to 43 miles beneath the surface. it is composted non-porous rock such as granite, slate, marble which would make significant seepage very unlikely. And even it did, how would ocean water make it's way down over 300 miles of every increasing pressure to the ringwoodite where these so called oceans exist? What you are suggesting would be impossible with what we know of the earth's stricture.

BTW, calling the water trapped in ringwoodite an ocean is simply a misstatement. The statement in the report said there could be 3 times as much water in the ringwoodite as in all of the oceans. That is certainly possible since the layer of ringwoodite is about a hundred miles thick and it incases the outer core of the earth. It is certainly not an ocean. It is simple layers of rock with containing moisture.

And no water seeping out of ocean is not responsible for oceans rising at different rates
The rise in sea level is not uniform because Earth's ocean aren't warming at the same rate everywhere. This results in regional differences in relative sea level rise, with areas that are warming faster seeing faster sea level rise. Changes in ocean circulation also contribute to regional sea level differences.

From Core to Crust: Defining Earth’s Layers

The inside of our planet is made primarily out of iron and nickel and dark, dense rock.

www.calacademy.org

Sea Level 101, Part Two: All Sea Level is ‘Local'

As discussed in our last Sea Level 101 blog post, we know sea level on the open ocean isn’t really flat. A number of factors combine to determine the topography of the ocean surface. Global sea level rise is complex as well. To begin with, it has multiple causes, including the thermal expansion...

climate.nasa.gov

Volcanic Activity Isn't Increasing Across the Planet

2022 was an exciting and hazardous year for volcanic eruptions, starting with the massive blast from Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha'apai. Is this part of a pattern of increasing volcanism? No, not at all.

www.discovermagazine.com

We just don’t know much about this yet. There could be some cracks allowing for water moving up or down. Especially during and after Noah’s flood.

 

[Flopper]

The sea levels are not rising.

I go to the cost and the houses I saw 50 years ago are still there...and they ain't no closer to the ocean than they ever were.

The fishing pier isn't under water either...and that's been there since I was a little kid. Longer in fact.

I sort of doubt that you actually measured the average mean high tide and mean low tide 50 years ago and today to determine if there has actually been a change.

The fact is sea level has risen by 6.5 inches since 1950 nearly half of it (3 inches) has occurred in just the last 20 years. The is what is so alarming to scientists. It is rising at increasing rate. This relatively small increase in sea level has caused on average a 233% increase in tidal flooding across the United States.

America's Sea Level Has Risen 6.5 Inches

Sea level rise is increasing. Flooding has increased by an average of 233% in the last 20 years. Nationally, sea levels have risen 6.5 inches since 1950. Higher seas mean more water and more flooding during high tides, hurricanes, and rain storms.

sealevelrise.org

 

[Flopper]

We just don’t know much about this yet. There could be some cracks allowing for water moving up or down. Especially during and after Noah’s flood.

Water does travel through 10 to 43 miles of nonporous rocks.

 

[Flopper]

Carbonn haters don't want you to know this but water vapor is a bigger greenhouse gas than CO2. They don't want you to know that the undersea Tonga volcanic eruption in January of 2022 put huge amounts of water vapor into the atmosphere which is causing your global warming. Sell all the electric cars and solar panels you want and nature will always win in the end.

Yes, Water vapor and clouds account for 66 to 85 percent of the greenhouse effect, compared to a range of 9 to 26 percent for CO2. So why all the attention on carbon dioxide and its ilk? Is water vapor the real culprit causing global warming?

The answer is that water vapor is indeed responsible for a major portion of Earth’s warming over the past century and for projected future warming. However, water vapor is not the cause of this warming. This is a critical, if subtle, distinction between the role of greenhouse gases as either forcings or feedbacks. In this case, anthropogenic emissions of CO2, methane, and other gases are warming the Earth. This rising average temperature increases evaporation rates and atmospheric water vapor concentrations. Those, in turn, result in additional warming.

In 2022, there were 78 volcanic eruptions, while the average is about 55 to 60 a year. Unlike increases in greenhouse gases, sea levels, and the earth's temperatures over a number of years, there is no uptrend in volcanic eruptions.

 

[Flopper]

The overwhelming evidence today supports the fact that the climate is changing, precariously so, to our detriment. The further argument that mankind is causing this precipitous change also cannot be seriously faulted; alternatively, this theory is less likely to be false, than to be true. Indeed, manmade climate change is not only the most likely explanation for what’s happening, it’s the simplest solution to explain everything; it requires the least jumping through hoops, and the least convoluted rationales, assumptions, and suppositions as seen in this thread.

Manmade climate change satisfies Occam’s razor as the simplest solution to the question of what’s causing Earth’s climate to change like no other explanation can. So even if you want to argue a contrarian theory, it’s just plain foolish to do so.

You might as well keep trying to argue that evolution isn’t a thing, too.

The simple explanation for why climate change deniers are simply wrong

Occam’s razor — or, less flamboyantly, lex parsimoniae, Latin for “parsimonious law” —first made popular (to non philosophers, anyway) in the 1997 movie Contact, is famous not just for it’s impossibly cool name, but because of its beautiful simplicity and apparent truth in the real world: Given two

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