Coronavirus: the catch-22 to end all 3 Abrahamic religions?

[anotherlife]

What a fool.

You shouldn't be this happy about the death of the church.

Said by every wannabe destroyer of the church in history. Keep trying though.

"...let it be your pleasure to remember that the Church is an anvil which has worn out many a hammer.”
Theodore Beza

Mathematical induction? Known to have weak proofing power.

The catch 22 still exist, suicide by coronavirus puts you to he'll but also placing coronavirus above God's day is rejection to put you to the same he'll. And no replacement service. How do we break this one?

 

[Likkmee]

Judas never denied God. He just left to beat the crowds

 

[anotherlife]

And that's just solid logic.

Only in your convoluted brain.

Most church going people are elderly so they don't have family around

What church do you go too? The one I belong has their elderly sure, but more than half are families, with kids of all ages....babies thru teenagers


There's something you are just waaaay too focused on...….and that is the law of religion, Old Testament, sin & death and you conveniently forget the message of Gods Word of love & mercy in the New Testament that brings forgiveness & Life. In Christianity, you can't have one without the other, it's a package deal.
Jesus spoke of those like you that adhere to the law above all else......Pharasees

Too bad statistics don't work very well here, because Jesus said do good to one of mine and you did good to all but do harm to one of mine and you did harm all.

Most of church doctrine has become mostly legalism after the council of nice a.

 

[anotherlife]

Well, Jews don't believe in hell, and Pesach is not a big Shul time. RoshHashana and Yom Kippur are.

A literal lake of fire isn't really Christian doctrine, either. It's just orthodox doctrine.

It is in the book of revelations, for all Christians uniformly. Also it says that he'll will be thrown into it by the way.

 

[anotherlife]

All 3 Abrahamic religions hold, that if you commit suicide then you land in hell, because it is proof that you have rejected God.

But now nobody went to church / synagogue / mosque for Easter / Passover / Ramadan, and no replacement services are offered either. Also, no religious congregation has ever accepted broadcasting as a substitute for attendance.

So your catch-22 is that by not going to church on this unique day you have rejected God for a virus so you land in hell, on the other hand if you go you commit suicide by knowingly infecting yourself through the crowd.

And if you think that infecting yourself by the crowd would have been the correct theological action then no, because nobody was declared a martyr for dying in a plague medieval or modern.

So is there any solution that saves the religious nature of the 3 Abrahamic religions after this? Or are they all just hellults from now on?

In the former USSR any church caught together would be shot.

So services that were held were held in secret. It very well may be that this may have to be a world wide secret church attendance from here on out since our freedoms are all gone

Yrs I agree. Very interesting. Although whilst dying in coronavirus is not martyrdom, but getting shot is, so heaven is a possibility there. Holding service secretly is fear thus placing the devil above God though, so that we they delay the coming of Christ, they delayed it for 80 years in the Soviet Union 1917 to 1992.

 

[james bond]

So your catch-22 is that by not going to church on this unique day you have rejected God for a virus so you land in hell, on the other hand if you go you commit suicide by knowingly infecting yourself through the crowd.

Aren't you making the judgement for God that's it's a catch 22 and rejection? That's probably giving into Satan's great temptation of being "like God." That is what he tempted Adam and Eve with into their greatest sin. For example, we have many in the Protestant sect that criticize Catholic beliefs and that they could lead there. It's brother vs brother. Satan has no end as to tricks up his sleeve. One has to give him due respect for it as he works 24/7 to come up with them. He's not God, but like god as the "god of the world and the prince of the power of the air." He wants to hide and he does. Then people end up blaming God for almost everything.

I've seen the people who wanted to attend or hold service so bad that they would violate the coronavirus laws in place. However, I think they just wanted to show that they were better Christians and that dying of COVID-19 would do that. Church is a confined space and one of the best places to get it from someone. A church in my neighborhood had two deaths and others who got the disease. I didn't go to their church nor knew them, but I know where one of the people who died lives. There was bouquet of flowers laid on the walkway to their house one day.

That is not what I was taught as being Christian. It's to give one's life for another. It may mean one has to be ready in mind and body. Not everyone has the skill or knowledge to do this if the time comes. Even then, one should want to save someone and live to tell about it, i.e. they want to save themselves, too. The idea behind it is to be ready and have the knowledge to do it. One can't just jump in to save somebody drowning if they do not know how to swim or life saving techniques. No use both of you dying.

There is nothing in the Bible about substitution attendance. Instead God warns us of the disease and to take alternative actions. One can still have worship in other ways such as online; It what we do with school, shopping, and more in these difficult times.

 

[norwegen]

Well, Jews don't believe in hell, and Pesach is not a big Shul time. RoshHashana and Yom Kippur are.

A literal lake of fire isn't really Christian doctrine, either. It's just orthodox doctrine.

It is in the book of revelations, for all Christians uniformly. Also it says that he'll will be thrown into it by the way.

Why do people insist on calling the Revelation to John the book of Revelations? The book is about one revelation. Only one.

Funny thing about Revelation and those who read the Bible literally: they add myriad conjecture and theory to the book. They chock it full of metaphor, but only as they please.

Chapter 20 mentions a lake of fire, the context of which is the resurrection. But rather than parsing the Greek and Hebrew on the meaning of Satan and hell, maybe we can just sit back and wait for the dissolution of the Abrahamic faiths.

 

[Andylusion]

All 3 Abrahamic religions hold, that if you commit suicide then you land in hell, because it is proof that you have rejected God.

But now nobody went to church / synagogue / mosque for Easter / Passover / Ramadan, and no replacement services are offered either. Also, no religious congregation has ever accepted broadcasting as a substitute for attendance.

So your catch-22 is that by not going to church on this unique day you have rejected God for a virus so you land in hell, on the other hand if you go you commit suicide by knowingly infecting yourself through the crowd.

And if you think that infecting yourself by the crowd would have been the correct theological action then no, because nobody was declared a martyr for dying in a plague medieval or modern.

So is there any solution that saves the religious nature of the 3 Abrahamic religions after this? Or are they all just hellults from now on?

You have a better chance of dying in a car crash, than you do dying from Corona. By your logic, everyone getting into a car, is committing suicide.

So, first I reject the premise that going to church, is equal to committing suicide by Corona.

As for the Sabbath, Mark 2:27 says (and this is Jesus speaking) "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath"

Meaning the reason we go to Church, is for our benefit. The day of rest, was for the good of those going to Church. The meeting of believers is for their benefit.

In other words, not meeting at Church, is not some sort of grand evil of some sort. And never was I might add. You can go to the old testament, and see similar things.

Now obviously I'm not Jewish, or Islamic, so I have no idea what they teach. But for the Bible-based Christian, this is just a pain for us to not go to Church, but is not a faith-issue, or judgement-issue, or anything of the sort.

 

[AsherN]

Well, Jews don't believe in hell, and Pesach is not a big Shul time. RoshHashana and Yom Kippur are.

Interesting. Then how does condemnation work in Jewish theology?

What comdemnation?

We are responsible for our actions. Yom Kippur is the day of Atonement. we must ask forgiveness to the people we have wronged and ask God for forgiveness for things done against Him.

 

[Marion Morrison]

All 3 Abrahamic religions hold, that if you commit suicide then you land in hell, because it is proof that you have rejected God.

But now nobody went to church / synagogue / mosque for Easter / Passover / Ramadan, and no replacement services are offered either. Also, no religious congregation has ever accepted broadcasting as a substitute for attendance.

So your catch-22 is that by not going to church on this unique day you have rejected God for a virus so you land in hell, on the other hand if you go you commit suicide by knowingly infecting yourself through the crowd.

And if you think that infecting yourself by the crowd would have been the correct theological action then no, because nobody was declared a martyr for dying in a plague medieval or modern.

So is there any solution that saves the religious nature of the 3 Abrahamic religions after this? Or are they all just hellults from now on?

In the former USSR any church caught together would be shot.

So services that were held were held in secret. It very well may be that this may have to be a world wide secret church attendance from here on out since our freedoms are all gone

There's secret churches in Iran, too.

 

[luchitociencia]

Believers of all religions can meet 9 persons at one place. Worship to God won't be stop.

Sadly, 9 persons assisting a music concert, a football or basketball game, etc. won't help much for the survival of those activities.

About music concerts, I think justice might came at last, because those singers and musicians never sang and played "alive" but were faking to do so while recorded music was heard by the audience. Those singers and musicians were making thousands and thousands of dollars just making mimic.

Sadly, they are smart enough making money saying they are making concerts online from their houses to collect money for helping in the current crisis. They, of course, will never play for free, they will take a great percent of the collected money, and if any money goes to the needed is practically nothing.

About actors, their income comes from theaters, DVD, downloads and the media. Theaters money is practically lost by now, DVD is not very common these days, rental is most asked as well as downloads. However, the media won't cooperate much when no multitudes are present in person to impress others about the popularity of the actors.

It will affect those religious leaders who became rich thanks to the collected money from followers, and might continue doing so by preaching online, but there is so much online preaching for free...

Small groups of believers would be the best alternative, always consulting one group with the others.

This is a hypothetical situation until the danger of being infected by the virus is present. To me, if this situation becomes the "new normal". I think will be very beneficial at last.

 

[BreezeWood]

All 3 Abrahamic religions hold, that if you commit suicide then you land in hell, because it is proof that you have rejected God.

But now nobody went to church / synagogue / mosque for Easter / Passover / Ramadan, and no replacement services are offered either. Also, no religious congregation has ever accepted broadcasting as a substitute for attendance.

So your catch-22 is that by not going to church on this unique day you have rejected God for a virus so you land in hell, on the other hand if you go you commit suicide by knowingly infecting yourself through the crowd.

And if you think that infecting yourself by the crowd would have been the correct theological action then no, because nobody was declared a martyr for dying in a plague medieval or modern.

So is there any solution that saves the religious nature of the 3 Abrahamic religions after this? Or are they all just hellults from now on?

So is there any solution that saves the religious nature of the 3 Abrahamic religions after this? Or are they all just hellults from now on?

the truth is as attested by recorded history the three desert religions have always been "hellults" and sparing themselves from covid-19 isn't going to change a thing.

All 3 Abrahamic religions hold, that if you commit suicide then you land in hell, because it is proof that you have rejected God.

the case of the 1st century religious itinerant is borderline for the above in serving the Almighty by taking their life for their belief.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

no religious congregation has ever accepted broadcasting as a substitute for attendance.

Actually many churches do have a website and post services for members that can't attend and have been doing so for a few years.

That is for those who can't make it but want it. The coronavirus think is not making it to service because you decide not to want it. Hence the theological rejection.

Do you really think God thinks if we don't go to church because of a virus, we are rejecting Him???

Fear is theologically proven by all church denominations to be a rejection of God, because it assumes that God doesn't want to take care of us and also assumes a lie that the devil would have more power than God. Fear of the virus fits this category hence it is a rejection if God. Also, not visiting His Cross on His day is another rejection of God, because it too assumes that some evil virus has more power than God. So by simple logic and generally disseminated church theology the answer to your question is a yes. And that's just solid logic.

God was not rejected because his Children did not enter man made temples to hold worship for thy Father on Easter and Jews do not Celebrate Easter but they honor the traditions of Passover and our homes is a temple to pray to thy Father.

Only a fool believe you need a Temple to honor our Father because a field with your family is all that is needed.