Coronavirus Outbreak May Have Started as Early as September, Scientists Say

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Coronavirus Outbreak May Have Started as Early as September, Scientists Say

Hannah Osborne
2 hrs ago


The coronavirus outbreak could have started as early as mid-September, and the Chinese city of Wuhan may not be where it began, a scientist looking at the origins of the disease has said.

Geneticist Peter Forster, from the U.K.'s University of Cambridge, is leading a research project to understand the historical processes that led to the COVID-19 pandemic. Ultimately, they hope to identify the first person who got the virus and served as the source for the initial outbreak. By analyzing networks, they have so far been able to chart the spread of the virus, including the genetic mutations, as it moved from China to Australia, Europe and the rest of the world.

They have created a network analysis using over 1,000 coronavirus genomes. This includes patient infection date and the "type" of virus the person was infected with. There are three types—A, B and C. A is closest to the coronavirus found in bats and is thought to be the original human virus genome. This type was found in Chinese and American individuals, with mutated versions in patients from Australia and the U.S.

However, A was not the virus type found in most cases in Wuhan, the city in China where COVID-19 was first identified. Instead, most people there had type B. Researchers suggest there was a "founder event" for type B in Wuhan. Type C, the "daughter" of type B, is what was identified in early cases in Europe, as well as South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong—but appears absent from mainland China.

Based on the data Forster and his colleagues have collected, the coronavirus outbreak appears to have started between September 13 and December 7. "This assumes a constant mutation rate, which is admittedly unlikely to be the case, and the time estimate could therefore be wrong," he told Newsweek. "But it is the best assumption we can make at the moment, pending analysis of further patient samples stored in hospitals during 2019."

Coronavirus Outbreak May Have Started as Early as September, Scientists Say

 

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Hannah Osborne
2 hrs ago


The coronavirus outbreak could have started as early as mid-September, and the Chinese city of Wuhan may not be where it began, a scientist looking at the origins of the disease has said.

Geneticist Peter Forster, from the U.K.'s University of Cambridge, is leading a research project to understand the historical processes that led to the COVID-19 pandemic. Ultimately, they hope to identify the first person who got the virus and served as the source for the initial outbreak. By analyzing networks, they have so far been able to chart the spread of the virus, including the genetic mutations, as it moved from China to Australia, Europe and the rest of the world.

They have created a network analysis using over 1,000 coronavirus genomes. This includes patient infection date and the "type" of virus the person was infected with. There are three types—A, B and C. A is closest to the coronavirus found in bats and is thought to be the original human virus genome. This type was found in Chinese and American individuals, with mutated versions in patients from Australia and the U.S.

However, A was not the virus type found in most cases in Wuhan, the city in China where COVID-19 was first identified. Instead, most people there had type B. Researchers suggest there was a "founder event" for type B in Wuhan. Type C, the "daughter" of type B, is what was identified in early cases in Europe, as well as South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong—but appears absent from mainland China.

Based on the data Forster and his colleagues have collected, the coronavirus outbreak appears to have started between September 13 and December 7. "This assumes a constant mutation rate, which is admittedly unlikely to be the case, and the time estimate could therefore be wrong," he told Newsweek. "But it is the best assumption we can make at the moment, pending analysis of further patient samples stored in hospitals during 2019."

Coronavirus Outbreak May Have Started as Early as September, Scientists Say

This would certainly explain why California has hardly been touched while New York is being decimated.

If California already went through this last fall.


Not to worry, President Trump and his point men on the Corona Virus, VP Pence and Senior Advisor Kushner are on top of this.

 

[MarathonMike]

Another Chinese asset outs himself.

 

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Coronavirus Outbreak May Have Started as Early as September, Scientists Say
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Hannah Osborne
2 hrs ago


The coronavirus outbreak could have started as early as mid-September, and the Chinese city of Wuhan may not be where it began, a scientist looking at the origins of the disease has said.

Geneticist Peter Forster, from the U.K.'s University of Cambridge, is leading a research project to understand the historical processes that led to the COVID-19 pandemic. Ultimately, they hope to identify the first person who got the virus and served as the source for the initial outbreak. By analyzing networks, they have so far been able to chart the spread of the virus, including the genetic mutations, as it moved from China to Australia, Europe and the rest of the world.

They have created a network analysis using over 1,000 coronavirus genomes. This includes patient infection date and the "type" of virus the person was infected with. There are three types—A, B and C. A is closest to the coronavirus found in bats and is thought to be the original human virus genome. This type was found in Chinese and American individuals, with mutated versions in patients from Australia and the U.S.

However, A was not the virus type found in most cases in Wuhan, the city in China where COVID-19 was first identified. Instead, most people there had type B. Researchers suggest there was a "founder event" for type B in Wuhan. Type C, the "daughter" of type B, is what was identified in early cases in Europe, as well as South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong—but appears absent from mainland China.

Based on the data Forster and his colleagues have collected, the coronavirus outbreak appears to have started between September 13 and December 7. "This assumes a constant mutation rate, which is admittedly unlikely to be the case, and the time estimate could therefore be wrong," he told Newsweek. "But it is the best assumption we can make at the moment, pending analysis of further patient samples stored in hospitals during 2019."

Coronavirus Outbreak May Have Started as Early as September, Scientists Say

May have not as well.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Cambridge has deep ties to China as does Dr Forster. I would be very cautious citing thier stuff. The CIA and others disagree with these findings.

 

[Pogo]

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Coronavirus Outbreak May Have Started as Early as September, Scientists Say
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Hannah Osborne
2 hrs ago


The coronavirus outbreak could have started as early as mid-September, and the Chinese city of Wuhan may not be where it began, a scientist looking at the origins of the disease has said.

Geneticist Peter Forster, from the U.K.'s University of Cambridge, is leading a research project to understand the historical processes that led to the COVID-19 pandemic. Ultimately, they hope to identify the first person who got the virus and served as the source for the initial outbreak. By analyzing networks, they have so far been able to chart the spread of the virus, including the genetic mutations, as it moved from China to Australia, Europe and the rest of the world.

They have created a network analysis using over 1,000 coronavirus genomes. This includes patient infection date and the "type" of virus the person was infected with. There are three types—A, B and C. A is closest to the coronavirus found in bats and is thought to be the original human virus genome. This type was found in Chinese and American individuals, with mutated versions in patients from Australia and the U.S.

However, A was not the virus type found in most cases in Wuhan, the city in China where COVID-19 was first identified. Instead, most people there had type B. Researchers suggest there was a "founder event" for type B in Wuhan. Type C, the "daughter" of type B, is what was identified in early cases in Europe, as well as South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong—but appears absent from mainland China.

Based on the data Forster and his colleagues have collected, the coronavirus outbreak appears to have started between September 13 and December 7. "This assumes a constant mutation rate, which is admittedly unlikely to be the case, and the time estimate could therefore be wrong," he told Newsweek. "But it is the best assumption we can make at the moment, pending analysis of further patient samples stored in hospitals during 2019."

Coronavirus Outbreak May Have Started as Early as September, Scientists Say

That would support Rump having gotten warnings as far back as November.

 

[Marion Morrison]

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Coronavirus Outbreak May Have Started as Early as September, Scientists Say
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Hannah Osborne
2 hrs ago


The coronavirus outbreak could have started as early as mid-September, and the Chinese city of Wuhan may not be where it began, a scientist looking at the origins of the disease has said.

Geneticist Peter Forster, from the U.K.'s University of Cambridge, is leading a research project to understand the historical processes that led to the COVID-19 pandemic. Ultimately, they hope to identify the first person who got the virus and served as the source for the initial outbreak. By analyzing networks, they have so far been able to chart the spread of the virus, including the genetic mutations, as it moved from China to Australia, Europe and the rest of the world.

They have created a network analysis using over 1,000 coronavirus genomes. This includes patient infection date and the "type" of virus the person was infected with. There are three types—A, B and C. A is closest to the coronavirus found in bats and is thought to be the original human virus genome. This type was found in Chinese and American individuals, with mutated versions in patients from Australia and the U.S.

However, A was not the virus type found in most cases in Wuhan, the city in China where COVID-19 was first identified. Instead, most people there had type B. Researchers suggest there was a "founder event" for type B in Wuhan. Type C, the "daughter" of type B, is what was identified in early cases in Europe, as well as South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong—but appears absent from mainland China.

Based on the data Forster and his colleagues have collected, the coronavirus outbreak appears to have started between September 13 and December 7. "This assumes a constant mutation rate, which is admittedly unlikely to be the case, and the time estimate could therefore be wrong," he told Newsweek. "But it is the best assumption we can make at the moment, pending analysis of further patient samples stored in hospitals during 2019."

Coronavirus Outbreak May Have Started as Early as September, Scientists Say

That would support Rump having gotten warnings as far back as November.

Nah, Gates was just finalizing the plan last November.

Event 201, a pandemic exercise to illustrate preparedness efforts

The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201.

www.centerforhealthsecurity.org

 

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Coronavirus Outbreak May Have Started as Early as September, Scientists Say
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Hannah Osborne
2 hrs ago


The coronavirus outbreak could have started as early as mid-September, and the Chinese city of Wuhan may not be where it began, a scientist looking at the origins of the disease has said.

Geneticist Peter Forster, from the U.K.'s University of Cambridge, is leading a research project to understand the historical processes that led to the COVID-19 pandemic. Ultimately, they hope to identify the first person who got the virus and served as the source for the initial outbreak. By analyzing networks, they have so far been able to chart the spread of the virus, including the genetic mutations, as it moved from China to Australia, Europe and the rest of the world.

They have created a network analysis using over 1,000 coronavirus genomes. This includes patient infection date and the "type" of virus the person was infected with. There are three types—A, B and C. A is closest to the coronavirus found in bats and is thought to be the original human virus genome. This type was found in Chinese and American individuals, with mutated versions in patients from Australia and the U.S.

However, A was not the virus type found in most cases in Wuhan, the city in China where COVID-19 was first identified. Instead, most people there had type B. Researchers suggest there was a "founder event" for type B in Wuhan. Type C, the "daughter" of type B, is what was identified in early cases in Europe, as well as South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong—but appears absent from mainland China.

Based on the data Forster and his colleagues have collected, the coronavirus outbreak appears to have started between September 13 and December 7. "This assumes a constant mutation rate, which is admittedly unlikely to be the case, and the time estimate could therefore be wrong," he told Newsweek. "But it is the best assumption we can make at the moment, pending analysis of further patient samples stored in hospitals during 2019."

Coronavirus Outbreak May Have Started as Early as September, Scientists Say

That would support Rump having gotten warnings as far back as November.

Not really. That would only support that the communist dog eaters kept it secret for a longer time. Never trust a Red Chinese.

 

[OldLady]

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Coronavirus Outbreak May Have Started as Early as September, Scientists Say
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Hannah Osborne
2 hrs ago


The coronavirus outbreak could have started as early as mid-September, and the Chinese city of Wuhan may not be where it began, a scientist looking at the origins of the disease has said.

Geneticist Peter Forster, from the U.K.'s University of Cambridge, is leading a research project to understand the historical processes that led to the COVID-19 pandemic. Ultimately, they hope to identify the first person who got the virus and served as the source for the initial outbreak. By analyzing networks, they have so far been able to chart the spread of the virus, including the genetic mutations, as it moved from China to Australia, Europe and the rest of the world.

They have created a network analysis using over 1,000 coronavirus genomes. This includes patient infection date and the "type" of virus the person was infected with. There are three types—A, B and C. A is closest to the coronavirus found in bats and is thought to be the original human virus genome. This type was found in Chinese and American individuals, with mutated versions in patients from Australia and the U.S.

However, A was not the virus type found in most cases in Wuhan, the city in China where COVID-19 was first identified. Instead, most people there had type B. Researchers suggest there was a "founder event" for type B in Wuhan. Type C, the "daughter" of type B, is what was identified in early cases in Europe, as well as South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong—but appears absent from mainland China.

Based on the data Forster and his colleagues have collected, the coronavirus outbreak appears to have started between September 13 and December 7. "This assumes a constant mutation rate, which is admittedly unlikely to be the case, and the time estimate could therefore be wrong," he told Newsweek. "But it is the best assumption we can make at the moment, pending analysis of further patient samples stored in hospitals during 2019."

Coronavirus Outbreak May Have Started as Early as September, Scientists Say

You know, I seriously questioned if I had it at the beginning of February. It started with a sore throat, which I NEVER get and quickly went from head congestion to pneumonia. Man, I was sick. But since I didn't die, I figured nah, couldn't be.

 

[IM2]

Cambridge has deep ties to China as does Dr Forster. I would be very cautious citing thier stuff. The CIA and others disagree with these findings.

Shut the fuck up. I will cite what I cite. trump doesn't tell me who to believe.

 

[OldLady]

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Coronavirus Outbreak May Have Started as Early as September, Scientists Say
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Hannah Osborne
2 hrs ago


The coronavirus outbreak could have started as early as mid-September, and the Chinese city of Wuhan may not be where it began, a scientist looking at the origins of the disease has said.

Geneticist Peter Forster, from the U.K.'s University of Cambridge, is leading a research project to understand the historical processes that led to the COVID-19 pandemic. Ultimately, they hope to identify the first person who got the virus and served as the source for the initial outbreak. By analyzing networks, they have so far been able to chart the spread of the virus, including the genetic mutations, as it moved from China to Australia, Europe and the rest of the world.

They have created a network analysis using over 1,000 coronavirus genomes. This includes patient infection date and the "type" of virus the person was infected with. There are three types—A, B and C. A is closest to the coronavirus found in bats and is thought to be the original human virus genome. This type was found in Chinese and American individuals, with mutated versions in patients from Australia and the U.S.

However, A was not the virus type found in most cases in Wuhan, the city in China where COVID-19 was first identified. Instead, most people there had type B. Researchers suggest there was a "founder event" for type B in Wuhan. Type C, the "daughter" of type B, is what was identified in early cases in Europe, as well as South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong—but appears absent from mainland China.

Based on the data Forster and his colleagues have collected, the coronavirus outbreak appears to have started between September 13 and December 7. "This assumes a constant mutation rate, which is admittedly unlikely to be the case, and the time estimate could therefore be wrong," he told Newsweek. "But it is the best assumption we can make at the moment, pending analysis of further patient samples stored in hospitals during 2019."

Coronavirus Outbreak May Have Started as Early as September, Scientists Say

That would support Rump having gotten warnings as far back as November.

That's what the spooks were saying.

 

[Penelope]

Cambridge has deep ties to China as does Dr Forster. I would be very cautious citing thier stuff. The CIA and others disagree with these findings.

OMG, according to tramp and his worshippers everyone has deep ties to China.

 

[IM2]

Another Chinese asset outs himself.

And her we see another dumb as russian bot.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

IF the OP is correct that the virus started back in September...……..then that same virus would have been spread farther & faster than just since January and by now half the world population would be dead...…...if all the current virus numbers were to be believed.

mic drop

 

[Pogo]

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Coronavirus Outbreak May Have Started as Early as September, Scientists Say
View attachment 324578

Hannah Osborne
2 hrs ago


The coronavirus outbreak could have started as early as mid-September, and the Chinese city of Wuhan may not be where it began, a scientist looking at the origins of the disease has said.

Geneticist Peter Forster, from the U.K.'s University of Cambridge, is leading a research project to understand the historical processes that led to the COVID-19 pandemic. Ultimately, they hope to identify the first person who got the virus and served as the source for the initial outbreak. By analyzing networks, they have so far been able to chart the spread of the virus, including the genetic mutations, as it moved from China to Australia, Europe and the rest of the world.

They have created a network analysis using over 1,000 coronavirus genomes. This includes patient infection date and the "type" of virus the person was infected with. There are three types—A, B and C. A is closest to the coronavirus found in bats and is thought to be the original human virus genome. This type was found in Chinese and American individuals, with mutated versions in patients from Australia and the U.S.

However, A was not the virus type found in most cases in Wuhan, the city in China where COVID-19 was first identified. Instead, most people there had type B. Researchers suggest there was a "founder event" for type B in Wuhan. Type C, the "daughter" of type B, is what was identified in early cases in Europe, as well as South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong—but appears absent from mainland China.

Based on the data Forster and his colleagues have collected, the coronavirus outbreak appears to have started between September 13 and December 7. "This assumes a constant mutation rate, which is admittedly unlikely to be the case, and the time estimate could therefore be wrong," he told Newsweek. "But it is the best assumption we can make at the moment, pending analysis of further patient samples stored in hospitals during 2019."

Coronavirus Outbreak May Have Started as Early as September, Scientists Say

That would support Rump having gotten warnings as far back as November.

Not really. That would only support that the communist dog eaters kept it secret for a longer time. Never trust a Red Chinese.

uh HUH.

Soooooo.... you're saying the theory that the virus got started in September DOES NOT support reports that Rump was advised TWO MONTHS LATER.

Do you own what's called a "calendar"?

 

[IM2]

IF the OP is correct that the virus started back in September...……..then that same virus would have been spread farther & faster than just since January and by now half the world population would be dead...…...if all the current virus numbers were to be believed.

mic drop

Go talk to the scientist in the article since you are a more expert on the subject than he is.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

IF the OP is correct that the virus started back in September...……..then that same virus would have been spread farther & faster than just since January and by now half the world population would be dead...…...if all the current virus numbers were to be believed.

mic drop

Go talk to the scientist in the article since you are a more expert on the subject than he is.

I'm not an expert, and never said I was. But it would stand to reason don't you think? If the virus was 'out there' for 3 months longer there would be travelers catching it and/or bringing it back to their home country. Thereby infecting hundreds, thousands, millions earlier...…..many of which would be seeking medical treatment and the Dr's or hospitals would run standard tests and realize this was not something they've seen before and any normal treatment was ineffective, and even more people would have died than is now.

I'm just saying if the virus had been out there 3 months earlier, then everything following would have been bumped up 3 months and the amount of deaths would be even higher. That's just logical thinking and I'm surprised this expert or anyone in his field didn't consider that probability. And because they didn't only proves to me the whole story and the media hype is just that. BS

 

[Grumblenuts]

IF the OP is correct that the virus started back in September...……..then that same virus would have been spread farther & faster than just since January and by now half the world population would be dead...…...if all the current virus numbers were to be believed.

mic drop

Go talk to the scientist in the article since you are a more expert on the subject than he is.

I'm not an expert, and never said I was. But it would stand to reason don't you think? If the virus was 'out there' for 3 months longer there would be travelers catching it and/or bringing it back to their home country. Thereby infecting hundreds, thousands, millions earlier...…..many of which would be seeking medical treatment and the Dr's or hospitals would run standard tests and realize this was not something they've seen before and any normal treatment was ineffective, and even more people would have died than is now.

I'm just saying if the virus had been out there 3 months earlier, then everything following would have been bumped up 3 months and the amount of deaths would be even higher. That's just logical thinking and I'm surprised this expert or anyone in his field didn't consider that probability. And because they didn't only proves to me the whole story and the media hype is just that. BS

Wow, you really are. Wear it proudly.

 

[IM2]

IF the OP is correct that the virus started back in September...……..then that same virus would have been spread farther & faster than just since January and by now half the world population would be dead...…...if all the current virus numbers were to be believed.

mic drop

Go talk to the scientist in the article since you are a more expert on the subject than he is.

I'm not an expert, and never said I was. But it would stand to reason don't you think? If the virus was 'out there' for 3 months longer there would be travelers catching it and/or bringing it back to their home country. Thereby infecting hundreds, thousands, millions earlier...…..many of which would be seeking medical treatment and the Dr's or hospitals would run standard tests and realize this was not something they've seen before and any normal treatment was ineffective, and even more people would have died than is now.

I'm just saying if the virus had been out there 3 months earlier, then everything following would have been bumped up 3 months and the amount of deaths would be even higher. That's just logical thinking and I'm surprised this expert or anyone in his field didn't consider that probability. And because they didn't only proves to me the whole story and the media hype is just that. BS

Wow, you really are. Wear it proudly.

You really aren't thinking logically since people may have been diagnosed with the flu or something else when it was COVID19, that the numbers who have died from this are unknown and not tracked as COVID19 and the pandemic is not over to be making claims of the count.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

IF the OP is correct that the virus started back in September...……..then that same virus would have been spread farther & faster than just since January and by now half the world population would be dead...…...if all the current virus numbers were to be believed.

mic drop

Go talk to the scientist in the article since you are a more expert on the subject than he is.

I'm not an expert, and never said I was. But it would stand to reason don't you think? If the virus was 'out there' for 3 months longer there would be travelers catching it and/or bringing it back to their home country. Thereby infecting hundreds, thousands, millions earlier...…..many of which would be seeking medical treatment and the Dr's or hospitals would run standard tests and realize this was not something they've seen before and any normal treatment was ineffective, and even more people would have died than is now.

I'm just saying if the virus had been out there 3 months earlier, then everything following would have been bumped up 3 months and the amount of deaths would be even higher. That's just logical thinking and I'm surprised this expert or anyone in his field didn't consider that probability. And because they didn't only proves to me the whole story and the media hype is just that. BS

Wow, you really are. Wear it proudly.

IF the OP is correct that the virus started back in September...……..then that same virus would have been spread farther & faster than just since January and by now half the world population would be dead...…...if all the current virus numbers were to be believed.

mic drop

Go talk to the scientist in the article since you are a more expert on the subject than he is.

I'm not an expert, and never said I was. But it would stand to reason don't you think? If the virus was 'out there' for 3 months longer there would be travelers catching it and/or bringing it back to their home country. Thereby infecting hundreds, thousands, millions earlier...…..many of which would be seeking medical treatment and the Dr's or hospitals would run standard tests and realize this was not something they've seen before and any normal treatment was ineffective, and even more people would have died than is now.

I'm just saying if the virus had been out there 3 months earlier, then everything following would have been bumped up 3 months and the amount of deaths would be even higher. That's just logical thinking and I'm surprised this expert or anyone in his field didn't consider that probability. And because they didn't only proves to me the whole story and the media hype is just that. BS

Wow, you really are. Wear it proudly.

You really aren't thinking logically since people may have been diagnosed with the flu or something else when it was COVID19, that the numbers who have died from this are unknown and not tracked as COVID19 and the pandemic is not over to be making claims of the count.

ok sure...….if that makes you guys feel better, then by all means crawl back under your rock