Constitutional or not?

[MadDog]

"judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.”

"judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.”

 

[Desperado]

Besides being unConstitutional, the Senate won't have enough votes to find him guilty. But the Demtards gotta have their show trial.
Only liberal loons would think failure is somehow a victory. ...

Trump will be tried AND convicted in the liberal news media, this trial is just to set that up. That and allow Dems a media opp to spew faux rage over GOP senators who vote no.

No matter what this will not end well for the country.

 

[Desperado]

"judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.”

"judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.”

This is what the Dems fear... They do not want Trump in their future.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Will Trump and his team file suit to stop the trial, claiming it is unConstitutional?

It's a political, not Constitutional, issue.

 

[TNHarley]

"judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.”

"judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.”

He cant be removed. Therefore he cant have anything taken away.

 

[MadDog]

"judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.”

"judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.”

He cant be removed. Therefore he cant have anything taken away.

It says that judgment can’t

"judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.”

"judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.”

He cant be removed. Therefore he cant have anything taken away.

He can have his opportunity to run again taken away

 

[TNHarley]

"judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.”

"judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.”

He cant be removed. Therefore he cant have anything taken away.

It says that judgment can’t

"judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.”

"judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.”

He cant be removed. Therefore he cant have anything taken away.

He can have his opportunity to run again taken away

IDK maybe we arent reading the same thing

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

Republican senators opposing impeachment trial:


Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas)
Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.)
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.)
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.)
Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.)
Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.)
Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.)
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.)
Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith (R-Miss.)
Sen. Roger Wicker (R-Miss.)
Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.)
Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.)
Sen Mike Rounds (R-S.D.)
Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.)
Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.)
Sen. John Boozman (R-Ark.)
Sen. Mike Braun (R-Ind.)
Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.)
Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas)
Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.)
Sen. Roger Marshall (R-Kan.)
Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.)
Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.)
Sen. Jodi Ernst (R-Iowa)
Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa)
Sen. Bill Hagerty (R-Tenn.)
Sen. John Hoeven (R-N.D.)
Sen. Cynthia Lummis (R-Wyo.)
Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.)


Republican senators who are open to voting to convict or haven’t ruled it out:


Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Ala.)
Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.)
Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.)
Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine)
Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska)
Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah)
Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.)
Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio)
Sen. Dan Sullivan (R-Alaska)
Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.)
Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.)
Sen. Mike Crapo (R-Idaho)
Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.)
Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.)
Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.)


Republican senators whose stances are unclear:


Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.)
Sen. Jim Risch (R-Idaho)
Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah)
Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.)
Sen. Deb Fischer (R-Neb.)
Sen. Todd Young (R-Ind.)

Write your senators people. It can be short and sweet or a long rant...

U.S. Senate:

www.senate.gov

"Dear Senator Warner:

I am writing to strongly encourage you to do everything you can to prevent the impeachment of former president, Donald J. Trump.

I have had enough of all this "unity" President Biden promised.

Sincerely,
James H_____

 

[jc456]

Well a Dem senator who has already called to convict Trump will now preside over the trial instead of the chief justice.

It’s called kangaroo

He’ll be captain kangaroo to you

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Today's vote clearly shows the upcoming Democrat failure.

Camera time for the foreign agents. Nothing more.

 

[Nostra]

Will Trump and his team file suit to stop the trial, claiming it is unConstitutional?

Coyote no link

 

[Skylar]

Will Trump and his team file suit to stop the trial, claiming it is unConstitutional?

File suit with who? The constitution is clear who has the sole authority over impeachment trials.

And its not the judiciary.

 

[Skylar]

"judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.”

"judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.”

He cant be removed. Therefore he cant have anything taken away.

Says who? The constitution cites only LIMITS to the extent of punishment. Neither limit is cited as a REQUIREMENT of an impeachment trial.

You made that up.

There's no such limit to the Senate's authority over impeachment trials.

 

[MadDog]

File suit with who? The constitution is clear who has the sole authority over impeachment trials.

And its not the judiciary.

File suit with SCOTUS.

 

[Skylar]

File suit with who? The constitution is clear who has the sole authority over impeachment trials.

And its not the judiciary.

File suit with SCOTUS.

The SCOTUS doesn't have any authority over impeachment trials.

"The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation."

The only role the judiciary plays in impeachments is that the Chief justice of the SCOTUS has to preside over any trial of the President.

That's it. Trump's not the president. And Roberts isnt presiding over his impeachment trial. So the judiciary plays ZERO role in Trump's impeachment trial. The authority to try impeachments lies solely with the Senate.

 

[MadDog]

File suit with who? The constitution is clear who has the sole authority over impeachment trials.

And its not the judiciary.

File suit with SCOTUS.

The SCOTUS doesn't have any authority over impeachment trials.

"The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation."

The only role the judiciary plays in impeachments is that the Chief justice of the SCOTUS has to preside over any trial of the President.

That's it. Trump's not the president. And Roberts isnt presiding over his impeachment trial. So the judiciary plays ZERO role in Trump's impeachment trial. The authority to try impeachments lies solely with the Senate.

What I’m saying is, this is a dispute over the interpretation of the Constitution, and it’s the role of SCOTUS to determine whether the trial in Constitutional. That is NOT the role of the Senate

 

[Skylar]

File suit with who? The constitution is clear who has the sole authority over impeachment trials.

And its not the judiciary.

File suit with SCOTUS.

The SCOTUS doesn't have any authority over impeachment trials.

"The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation."

The only role the judiciary plays in impeachments is that the Chief justice of the SCOTUS has to preside over any trial of the President.

That's it. Trump's not the president. And Roberts isnt presiding over his impeachment trial. So the judiciary plays ZERO role in Trump's impeachment trial. The authority to try impeachments lies solely with the Senate.

What I’m saying is, this is a dispute over the interpretation of the Constitution, and it’s the role of SCOTUS to determine whether the trial in Constitutional. That is NOT the role of the Senate

The SCOTUS won't touch it. Its clearly within the exclusive realm of the Senate.

 

[MadDog]

The SCOTUS won't touch it. Its clearly within the exclusive realm of the Senate.

The Senate can’t interpret the Constitution

 

[Skylar]

The SCOTUS won't touch it. Its clearly within the exclusive realm of the Senate.

The Senate can’t interpret the Constitution

They do every day when they exercise their authority. As does the Executive and the House. Every branch of government gets to interpret the constitution. The SCOTUS just gets the last say if they decide they do.

And the SCOTUS won't touch this with a 10 foot pole. As the sole authority of trying impeachment is the Senate's. The constitution is crystal clear, saying exactly that.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

Romney
Collins
McConnell
Toomey
Murkowski
Rubio
Wicker
Daines
Grassley
Moran
Blunt
Burr
Hoeven
Lankford
Thune

Those are the likely votes for conviction. Rubio will seek the GOP establishment embrace rather than the "revolutionary" Trumpy one, especially with noise about Vanky challenging him in 2022. But only if Mitch leads the way.

McConnell is obviously the key. If he votes to convict it allows Grassley, Wicker, and some of the other old guard, near-retirement Republicans who know that Trump is a dangerous fraud.

As much as McConnell hate Trump I do not see him convicting Trump and just instead telling Trump to watch his back because the State of New York will get him instead...