Constitutional Carry and crime stats...no correlation between normal people carrying guns and crime.

[2aguy]

A good look at 13 states that enacted Constitutional Carry....carrying a gun without a permit if you are a normal citizen and not a criminal........crime rates, police officer deaths did not increase....

Anti-gunners weep......they need more crime and death to push gun control...

Analyzing the thirteen states that enacted Constitutional Carry that we have
murder rate data by 2018 so that we have at least three years of data after the
enactment to examine.
AK (2003), AZ (2010), AR (2018), ID (2016), KS (2015), KY (2019), ME (2015), MS
(2015), MO (2017), NH (2017), ND (2017), WV (2016), and WY (2011). Vermont
also has Constitutional Carry, but they have had it continuously from the time that
they became a state so there is no crime data available from that point in time.
The drop in murder is statistically significant, but the change in violent crime is
not.


Before After

Murder


Before.......4.49
After..........4.31


Violent Crime

Before.....331.5

After.......318.2

One moment, please...

 

[Otis Mayfield]

Shouldn't crime go down if people are carrying guns?

 

[2aguy]

Shouldn't crime go down if people are carrying guns?

It goes down for the people carrying the gun and chasing off the bad guys..........

 

[Donald H]

It goes down for the people carrying the gun and chasing off the bad guys..........

It's important to consider the others too. It's less a consideration on 'who' is being killed with guns, than it is the overall number of people being killed with guns.

More guns on the streets in the hands of law-abiding citizens, becomes more guns in the hands of criminals. New criminals with guns are created out of the stock of law-abiding citizens.

Is the majority of gun related crime being commited by Americans or by aliens from other countries. Other countries are also a source of gun related crime in America. It's only fair they are mentioned too.

If all these new gun carrying citizens could be guaranteed to not turn to crime with their guns, there would be no issue with it.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Shouldn't crime go down if people are carrying guns?

The argument has always been that crime will SKYROCKET if people are allowed to carry.

So, it proves the gun-grabber theory to be complete bullshit, if anything.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

It's only fair they are mentioned too.

Bullshit

 

[JGalt]

Blood in the streets! Dead children everywhere!

Oh wait....those are people illegally carrying guns.

 

[2aguy]

It's important to consider the others too. It's less a consideration on 'who' is being killed with guns, than it is the overall number of people being killed with guns.

More guns on the streets in the hands of law-abiding citizens, becomes more guns in the hands of criminals. New criminals with guns are created out of the stock of law-abiding citizens.

Is the majority of gun related crime being commited by Americans or by aliens from other countries. Other countries are also a source of gun related crime in America. It's only fair they are mentioned too.

If all these new gun carrying citizens could be guaranteed to not turn to crime with their guns, there would be no issue with it.

No........when the police catch the criminal only to have the democrats release them...no matter how often they commit gun crimes...it is not law-abiding citizens at fault....the democrat party is at fault....

 

[Donald H]

No........when the police catch the criminal only to have the democrats release them...no matter how often they commit gun crimes...it is not law-abiding citizens at fault....the democrat party is at fault....

I accept that you're right about America releasing criminals but I don't have any details on the workings of America's parole system. It would have to suggest that it's no more lenient toward releasing criminals than any other country's system.
My uninformed guess is that it's much less lenient, due to the extremely high incarceration rate. That suggests that prison system reform is needed.

On vilent crime with guns: As that pertains to violence with guns, it suggests that the guns at the root of the cause, are the issue that needs to be dealt with. Not the incarceration rate!

 

[M14 Shooter]

Shouldn't crime go down if people are carrying guns?

Looks like it did.

Murder
Before.......4.49
After..........4.31
Violent Crime
Before.....331.5
After.......318.2

 

[M14 Shooter]

More guns on the streets in the hands of law-abiding citizens, becomes more guns in the hands of criminals.

Fallacy: non seq
Please demonstrate the necessary relationship you claim here.