Climatologists talk like politicians...not scientists.

[westwall]

Nothing new here. Climategate just made it obvious to the rest of the folks.

Climategate and the Scientific Elite - Iain Murray - National Review Online

 

[Old Rocks]

National Review? As much validity in this discussion as the daily Kos.

 

[westwall]

National Review? As much validity in this discussion as the daily Kos.

Perfectly reasonable IMO. When the "scientists" abandoned science for propaganda they entered the realm of politics so the NR is perfectly justified in commenting.

 

[Old Rocks]

Because halfwits like you accuse them of that, does not make it so.

Once again, every Scientific Society on earth, every National Academy of Science, and every major University states that AGW is a fact, and a clear and present danger.

The evidence has been presented from earth based observations, and from satellites, both the Greenland and Anarctic Ice Caps are melting by the giga-ton a year. And the melt is increasing every year. From both earth based observations and satellite imagery, all most all of the alpine glaciers are in rapid retreat.

The Permafrost is melting, and we see CH4 bubbling out of both the lakes in the permafrost and the Arctic Ocean.

And all of this is "propaganda" according to Walleyed.

 

[westwall]

Because halfwits like you accuse them of that, does not make it so.

Once again, every Scientific Society on earth, every National Academy of Science, and every major University states that AGW is a fact, and a clear and present danger.

The evidence has been presented from earth based observations, and from satellites, both the Greenland and Anarctic Ice Caps are melting by the giga-ton a year. And the melt is increasing every year. From both earth based observations and satellite imagery, all most all of the alpine glaciers are in rapid retreat.

The Permafrost is melting, and we see CH4 bubbling out of both the lakes in the permafrost and the Arctic Ocean.

And all of this is "propaganda" according to Walleyed.

old fraud, just because the 12 or so board of directors of an organization decide to "agree" with the "science" of AGW in direct opposition to the VAST MAJORITY of their membership does not a consensus make. In fact the more that this particular bt of "information" is delved into the more apparent that the vast majority of these board members are either Gore friends, aquaintences, appointees or investors.

Just because the NKVD ran the Gulags under Stalins auspices didn't make it any more "right". Especially to the 50 million or so who died in them now don't you think?


And when raw data is checked as opposed to the warmers manufactured or "value added" data it is found that what you say is not true.

 

[Old Rocks]

The scientific consensus concerning global warming is about the same as the consensus on evolution. The evidence is just as robust.

http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/ssi/DoranEOS09.pdf

It seems that the debate on the authenticity
of global warming and the role played
by human activity is largely nonexistent
among those who understand the nuances
and scientific basis of long-term
climate processes. The challenge, rather, appears
to be how to effectively communicate this
fact to policy makers and to a public that
continues to mistakenly perceive debate
among scientists.

 

[Old Rocks]

An older post, today there would be many more names.

Logicalscience.com - The Consensus On Global Warming/Climate Change: From Science to Industry & Religion

Individual Scientists
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The Petition - 11,885+ individual scientists listed by name
A petition signed by 52 Nobel Laureates, 63 National Medal of Science recipients, 195 members of the National Academies, and over 11,885+ other scientists criticizing the misuse and politicization of science in Washington. The list is continually growing so these are minimum numbers. Here is an excerpt from that petition:
“For example, in support of the president’s decision to avoid regulating emissions that cause climate change, the administration has consistently misrepresented the findings of the National Academy of Sciences, government scientists, and the expert community at large. Thus in June 2003, the White House demanded extensive changes in the treatment of climate change in a major report by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). To avoid issuing a scientifically indefensible report, EPA officials eviscerated the discussion of climate change and its consequences.”
Texas A&M - Department of Atmospheric Sciences Unanimous Endorsement of the IPCC
We, the tenured and tenure-track faculty of the Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences of Texas A&M, agree with the recent reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that:

1. It is virtually certain that the climate is warming, and that it has warmed by about 0.7 deg. C over the last 100 years.
2. It is very likely that humans are responsible for most of the recent warming.
3. If we do nothing to reduce our emissions of greenhouse gases, future warming will likely be at least two degrees Celsius over the next century.
4. Such a climate change brings with it a risk of serious adverse impacts on our environment and society

 

[RetiredGySgt]

No warming since 1998. So much for man made global warming.

 

[Old Rocks]

Daily Kos: Open Thread: Climate-Change Skeptics

The following groups say the danger of human-caused climate change is a ... FRAUD:

American Petroleum Institute
US Chamber of Commerce
National Association of Manufacturers
Competitive Enterprise Institute
Industrial Minerals Association
National Cattlemen’s Beef Association
Great Northern Project Development
Rosebud Mining
Massey Energy
Alpha Natural Resources
Southeastern Legal Foundation
Georgia Agribusiness Council
Georgia Motor Trucking Association
Corn Refiners Association
National Association of Home Builders
National Oilseed Processors Association
National Petrochemical and Refiners Association
Western States Petroleum Association

 

[Old Rocks]

Daily Kos: Open Thread: Climate-Change Skeptics

The following groups say the danger of human-caused climate change is a ... FACT:

U.S. Agency for International Development
United States Department of Agriculture
National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration
National Institute of Standards and Technology
United States Department of Defense
United States Department of Energy
National Institutes of Health
United States Department of State
United States Department of Transportation
U.S. Geological Survey
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Aeronautics & Space Administration
National Science Foundation
Smithsonian Institution
International Arctic Science Committee
Arctic Council
African Academy of Sciences
Australian Academy of Sciences
Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
Academia Brasileira de Ciéncias
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Royal Society of Canada
Caribbean Academy of Sciences
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Académie des Sciences, France
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina of Germany
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Royal Irish Academy
Accademia nazionale delle scienze of Italy
Indian National Science Academy
Science Council of Japan
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Madagascar’s National Academy of Arts, Letters and Sciences
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
Royal Society of New Zealand
Polish Academy of Sciences
Russian Academy of Sciences
l’Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Academy of Science of South Africa
Sudan Academy of Sciences
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
Turkish Academy of Sciences
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
The Royal Society of the United Kingdom
National Academy of Sciences, United States
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Science
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Physics
American Medical Association
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
American Public Health Association
American Quaternary Association
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Society of Agronomy
American Society for Microbiology
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association
Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
Botanical Society of America
Crop Science Society of America
Ecological Society of America
Federation of American Scientists
Geological Society of America
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
Natural Science Collections Alliance
Organization of Biological Field Stations
Society of American Foresters
Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
Society of Systematic Biologists
Soil Science Society of America
Australian Coral Reef Society
Australian Medical Association
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Engineers Australia
Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies
Geological Society of Australia
British Antarctic Survey
Institute of Biology, UK
Royal Meteorological Society, UK
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
International Association for Great Lakes Research
International Union for Quaternary Research
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Health Organization
World Meteorological Organization

 

[Old Rocks]

No warming since 1998. So much for man made global warming.

Would you mind repeating that lie again?


Did global warming stop in 1998?


It hasn't warmed since 1998

For the years 1998-2005, temperature did not increase. This period coincides with society's continued pumping of more CO2 into the atmosphere. (Bob Carter)

What the science says...
The planet has continued to accumulate heat since 1998 - global warming is still happening. Nevertheless, surface temperatures show much internal variability due to heat exchange between the ocean and atmosphere. 1998 was an unusually hot year due to a strong El Nino.


To claim global warming stopped in 1998 overlooks one simple physical reality - the land and atmosphere are just a small fraction of the Earth's climate (albeit the part we inhabit). The entire planet is accumulating heat due to an energy imbalance. The atmosphere is warming. Oceans are accumulating energy. Land absorbs energy and ice absorbs heat to melt. To get the full picture on global warming, you need to view the Earth's entire heat content.

This analysis is performed in An observationally based energy balance for the Earth since 1950 (Murphy 2009) which adds up heat content from the ocean, atmosphere, land and ice. To calculate the Earth's total heat content, the authors used data of ocean heat content from the upper 700 metres. They included heat content from deeper waters down to 3000 metres depth. They computed atmospheric heat content using the surface temperature record and the heat capacity of the troposphere. Land and ice heat content (the energy required to melt ice) were also included.

 

[westwall]

No warming since 1998. So much for man made global warming.

Would you mind repeating that lie again?


Did global warming stop in 1998?


It hasn't warmed since 1998

For the years 1998-2005, temperature did not increase. This period coincides with society's continued pumping of more CO2 into the atmosphere. (Bob Carter)

What the science says...
The planet has continued to accumulate heat since 1998 - global warming is still happening. Nevertheless, surface temperatures show much internal variability due to heat exchange between the ocean and atmosphere. 1998 was an unusually hot year due to a strong El Nino.


To claim global warming stopped in 1998 overlooks one simple physical reality - the land and atmosphere are just a small fraction of the Earth's climate (albeit the part we inhabit). The entire planet is accumulating heat due to an energy imbalance. The atmosphere is warming. Oceans are accumulating energy. Land absorbs energy and ice absorbs heat to melt. To get the full picture on global warming, you need to view the Earth's entire heat content.

This analysis is performed in An observationally based energy balance for the Earth since 1950 (Murphy 2009) which adds up heat content from the ocean, atmosphere, land and ice. To calculate the Earth's total heat content, the authors used data of ocean heat content from the upper 700 metres. They included heat content from deeper waters down to 3000 metres depth. They computed atmospheric heat content using the surface temperature record and the heat capacity of the troposphere. Land and ice heat content (the energy required to melt ice) were also included.

Hey doofus....the grand poobah of AGW Dr. Phil Jones, head of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia and the leading "academic" center for GW propaganda,
is the person who said it....not me. I am just agreeing with him. Here is the article yet again. So riddle me this batman...how do you square your assertions that temps are still rising when the lead "scientist" of your religious movement says otherwise?

Climategate U-turn: Astonishment as scientist at centre of global warming email row admits data not well organised | Mail Online