Clean Up In Palisades

[toobfreak]

I was watching an interview on TV of someone living there. Apparently it isn't going so well. Let me try to recount.

• They won't let people go back to their property! They won't let them clean things up. Apparently they claim it is too toxic. Never mind it is THEIR property and THEIR choice. Apparently, they want to just leave everything sit so that the toxicity of whatever was left in the fire gets washed into the streams and blown around.
• The interviewee pointed out that everything in government takes 10X longer and costs 10X as much. Palisades residents are being told that to clean up their property will take special licenses and special trucks using special people in special suits to carefully put everything into special containers--- no one can just drive a dump truck to their property with a shovel and just start cleaning stuff up.
• Worse, I understand that a lot of the property owners have had their property a long time, were gifted it, etc. When they bought the property, they paid a lot less, it was passed down through family or friends. Once case mentioned a property worth 15 million but only getting a 1.7 million settlement check from the insurance company. Not enough for them to rebuild, not even enough for them to live elsewhere while the matter is resolved.

Sounds like the Palisades fire is turning into a real nightmare and the residents are getting the bone.

 

[Scoutster]

Dem Cali leaders better get it together, if they stick with nonsense of cali regulations and toxic tests before rebuilding, it’ll be years, and Republicans will use this to their advantage and win maintain all three branches again in two years. Do Democrats not get this?

 

[Woodznutz]

I was watching an interview on TV of someone living there. Apparently it isn't going so well. Let me try to recount.

• They won't let people go back to their property! They won't let them clean things up. Apparently they claim it is too toxic. Never mind it is THEIR property and THEIR choice. Apparently, they want to just leave everything sit so that the toxicity of whatever was left in the fire gets washed into the streams and blown around.
• The interviewee pointed out that everything in government takes 10X longer and costs 10X as much. Palisades residents are being told that to clean up their property will take special licenses and special trucks using special people in special suits to carefully put everything into special containers--- no one can just drive a dump truck to their property with a shovel and just start cleaning stuff up.
• Worse, I understand that a lot of the property owners have had their property a long time, were gifted it, etc. When they bought the property, they paid a lot less, it was passed down through family or friends. Once case mentioned a property worth 15 million but only getting a 1.7 million settlement check from the insurance company. Not enough for them to rebuild, not even enough for them to live elsewhere while the matter is resolved.

Sounds like the Palisades fire is turning into a real nightmare and the residents are getting the bone.

Everyone else sees a big payday from such events. Of course, the fire victims are getting the bone.

I had tenant die in one of my apartments. He'd been dead for two weeks before it was discovered. I called my insurance company and discovered that the cleanup would be covered but I had to hire a special company to do the work.

After the coroner's office removed the body the company,

Removed the corrupted floorboards where the body lay.
Removed all of the tenant's possessions (he was a hoarder).
Stove, refrigerator, and carpeting were removed as well.
Entire apartment was chemically sanitized.
The job took two full days, crew of five.
Cost: $33,000.

 

[Invisibleflash]

I was watching an interview on TV of someone living there. Apparently it isn't going so well. Let me try to recount.

• They won't let people go back to their property! They won't let them clean things up. Apparently they claim it is too toxic. Never mind it is THEIR property and THEIR choice. Apparently, they want to just leave everything sit so that the toxicity of whatever was left in the fire gets washed into the streams and blown around.
• The interviewee pointed out that everything in government takes 10X longer and costs 10X as much. Palisades residents are being told that to clean up their property will take special licenses and special trucks using special people in special suits to carefully put everything into special containers--- no one can just drive a dump truck to their property with a shovel and just start cleaning stuff up.
• Worse, I understand that a lot of the property owners have had their property a long time, were gifted it, etc. When they bought the property, they paid a lot less, it was passed down through family or friends. Once case mentioned a property worth 15 million but only getting a 1.7 million settlement check from the insurance company. Not enough for them to rebuild, not even enough for them to live elsewhere while the matter is resolved.

Sounds like the Palisades fire is turning into a real nightmare and the residents are getting the bone.

 

[1srelluc]

Well of course it is, they want the land for their 15 minute city boondoggle.

 

[gtopa1]

Hi, Karen

Logan Bogan says wot??

Greg

 

[Woodznutz]

I was watching an interview on TV of someone living there. Apparently it isn't going so well. Let me try to recount.

• They won't let people go back to their property! They won't let them clean things up. Apparently they claim it is too toxic. Never mind it is THEIR property and THEIR choice. Apparently, they want to just leave everything sit so that the toxicity of whatever was left in the fire gets washed into the streams and blown around.
• The interviewee pointed out that everything in government takes 10X longer and costs 10X as much. Palisades residents are being told that to clean up their property will take special licenses and special trucks using special people in special suits to carefully put everything into special containers--- no one can just drive a dump truck to their property with a shovel and just start cleaning stuff up.
• Worse, I understand that a lot of the property owners have had their property a long time, were gifted it, etc. When they bought the property, they paid a lot less, it was passed down through family or friends. Once case mentioned a property worth 15 million but only getting a 1.7 million settlement check from the insurance company. Not enough for them to rebuild, not even enough for them to live elsewhere while the matter is resolved.

Sounds like the Palisades fire is turning into a real nightmare and the residents are getting the bone.

Worse, they have no plan for an event such as this, the very kind of event that they should have had a plan for.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Worse, they have no plan for an event such as this, the very kind of event that they should have had a plan for.

They absolutely have a plan. Those redevelopment mixed use plans weren't written overnight.

 

[Woodznutz]

They absolutely have a plan. Those redevelopment mixed use plans weren't written overnight.

Now that the illegals are being removed what becomes of those plans?

But seriously, I believe they are delaying a cleanup to force as many people to sell their properties as possible. On the bright side that would indicate that those properties are pretty valuable. The owners should hold out for top dollar.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Now that the illegals are being removed what becomes of those plans?

But seriously, I believe they are delaying a cleanup to force as many people to sell their properties as possible. On the bright side that would indicate that those properties are pretty valuable. The owners should hold out for top dollar.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Those properties are among the most valuable in the nation. But, California has regulatory ways of making them worthless. Worthless until the politicians get their way. These communities are regulated not only by the,state and city but by the ever powerful Coastal Commission.

So far the residents are even prevented from seeing their properties. It's too "toxic". Because it's toxic it can't be cleaned up. The City won't issue permits. The Coastal Commission is not entertaining applications to rebuild for 18 months.

Oh yes. These multi million dollar lots are very quickly becoming absolutely Worthless.

While individuals are performing Delay Tango mortgages must be paid. No deferment from property taxes either. The people will sell to the developers. They have no choice.

Just like Maui.

 

[Woodznutz]

Those properties are among the most valuable in the nation. But, California has regulatory ways of making them worthless. Worthless until the politicians get their way. These communities are regulated not only by the,state and city but by the ever powerful Coastal Commission.

So far the residents are even prevented from seeing their properties. It's too "toxic". Because it's toxic it can't be cleaned up. The City won't issue permits. The Coastal Commission is not entertaining applications to rebuild for 18 months.

Oh yes. These multi million dollar lots are very quickly becoming absolutely Worthless.

While individuals are performing Delay Tango mortgages must be paid. No deferment from property taxes either. The people will sell to the developers. They have no choice.

Just like Maui.

Why would those sites be any more "toxic" than any other property that burns to ground anywhere else in the country? Sounds like bullshit to me.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Why would those sites be any more "toxic" than any other property that burns to ground anywhere else in the country? Sounds like bullshit to me.

They did the same thing in Maui.

Los Angeles has been brutilizing people with regulations for years. I lived in a few places that got regulated out of existence.

The goal of the City is to eliminate single family dwellings and small apartment buildings. They rule through an onerous permitting process.

 

[Woodznutz]

They did the same thing in Maui.

Los Angeles has been brutilizing people with regulations for years. I lived in a few places that got regulated out of existence.

The goal of the City is to eliminate single family dwellings and small apartment buildings. They rule through an onerous permitting process.

The highest and best use of land is privately-owned single-family dwellings. They should know that. What's wrong with those people?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The highest and best use of land is privately-owned single-family dwellings. They should know that. What's wrong with those people?

They believe in high rise, dense, 15 minute cities.

 

[Woodznutz]

They believe in high rise, dense, 15 minute cities.

I guess mental health isn't a concern for them (as most out there are nuts anyway).

 

[theHawk]

I was watching an interview on TV of someone living there. Apparently it isn't going so well. Let me try to recount.

• They won't let people go back to their property! They won't let them clean things up. Apparently they claim it is too toxic. Never mind it is THEIR property and THEIR choice. Apparently, they want to just leave everything sit so that the toxicity of whatever was left in the fire gets washed into the streams and blown around.
• The interviewee pointed out that everything in government takes 10X longer and costs 10X as much. Palisades residents are being told that to clean up their property will take special licenses and special trucks using special people in special suits to carefully put everything into special containers--- no one can just drive a dump truck to their property with a shovel and just start cleaning stuff up.
• Worse, I understand that a lot of the property owners have had their property a long time, were gifted it, etc. When they bought the property, they paid a lot less, it was passed down through family or friends. Once case mentioned a property worth 15 million but only getting a 1.7 million settlement check from the insurance company. Not enough for them to rebuild, not even enough for them to live elsewhere while the matter is resolved.

Sounds like the Palisades fire is turning into a real nightmare and the residents are getting the bone.

I know my woke liberal extended family out there is having a hissy fit over them using an area for dumping the cleanup debris. According to them it’s “toxic” and the fumes will poison the city. Of course if they weren’t doing anything all those toxic materials would just remain in the burnt up areas. But they suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome so it’s hilarious to watch.

 

[toobfreak]

I know my woke liberal extended family out there is having a hissy fit over them using an area for dumping the cleanup debris. According to them it’s “toxic” and the fumes will poison the city. Of course if they weren’t doing anything all those toxic materials would just remain in the burnt up areas. But they suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome so it’s hilarious to watch.

I wonder what all these people had in their homes that would leave behind such dangerous toxins?
I mean, these fires burned at such high temperature, that I'd expect little to be left behind other than stone, melted metal, and carbon.

 

[elektra]

Of course it is a toxic wasteland. All those solar panels and electric car lithium batteries burnt into toxic waste.

 

[Woodznutz]

Worse, they have no plan for an event such as this, the very kind of event that they should have had a plan for.

Of course, no one has a plan for any of the recent natural disasters, only the Red Cross and others with coffee, donuts, and blankets.