CIA Creates another false flag operation to force Trump

[Contumacious]

Ukraine clashes leave several dead and test Trump's Russia stance

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The CIA has again engaged in a Dulles vs JFK maneuver to force the president to follow its agenda. The intention being to drive a wedge between Trump and Putin.


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[Contumacious]

Russian Aggression in Ukraine?

All sorts of officials accuse Russia of aggression in Ukraine. Is this true? It is not. It is fiction. It is a big lie. It is a specious claim, an absurd claim, a ridiculous claim, an unreal claim. Russia and Russians have been involved in certain respects in Ukraine, but by no sensible stretch of the imagination can such involvements be termed aggression. If there were an actual war aggression, it could not be hidden because the scope of a typical war aggression is very large. The photographic evidence for it would be overwhelming. No such evidence has been provided by Russia’s accusers. Even more importantly, it would have to be shown that the attack was an unprovoked offensive attack, and not a defensive operation. This too has not been proven by Russia’s accusers.

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[theHawk]

What does it matter if Russia is "involved" or not? Why is that any of our business? We need to meddle in every conflict around the world?

The Ukraine is in the middle of a civil war. There are ethnic Russians in the eastern part that want to separate after the sham coup. We should stay the hell out of it.

 

[Contumacious]

My concern here is the fiction being propagated. It borders on madness. It plays into the hands of the worst kinds of warmongers. It blinds everyone concerned. It is irrational. It establishes an aura of public lies and myths that results in great mischief and worse. It is producing awful results that can become far worse. The lie happens to revolve around demonizing Russia but my purpose is not to choose sides in the Ukrainian-Russian problems but to keep the U.S. out of the matter. It is to defang the lie.

What do actual war aggressions look like? Below are some notable examples. It’s a quick brush treatment based on sources easy to find. I haven’t consulted military histories to get precise figures. We do not need pinpoint accuracy to get the main idea, which is that war aggressions are large affairs, and the role of Russia in Ukraine cannot possibly qualify. It will be immediately apparent to any rational observer that Russian involvement in Ukraine, whatever it is or has been, doesn’t even remotely resemble an attack on Ukraine or the kind of attack in force that defines real war aggressions..""


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[Contumacious]

My concern here is the fiction being propagated. It borders on madness. It plays into the hands of the worst kinds of warmongers. It blinds everyone concerned. It is irrational. It establishes an aura of public lies and myths that results in great mischief and worse. It is producing awful results that can become far worse. The lie happens to revolve around demonizing Russia but my purpose is not to choose sides in the Ukrainian-Russian problems but to keep the U.S. out of the matter. It is to defang the lie.

What do actual war aggressions look like? Below are some notable examples. It’s a quick brush treatment based on sources easy to find. I haven’t consulted military histories to get precise figures. We do not need pinpoint accuracy to get the main idea, which is that war aggressions are large affairs, and the role of Russia in Ukraine cannot possibly qualify. It will be immediately apparent to any rational observer that Russian involvement in Ukraine, whatever it is or has been, doesn’t even remotely resemble an attack on Ukraine or the kind of attack in force that defines real war aggressions.".

 

[Contumacious]

What the US must do in Ukraine

 

[jillian]

Ukraine clashes leave several dead and test Trump's Russia stance

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The CIA has again engaged in a Dulles vs JFK maneuver to force the president to follow its agenda. The intention being to drive a wedge between Trump and Putin.


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it's amazing what the fake news loons make up

poor conspiracy loon.

 

[Dschrute3]

Yeah, i noticed they're also pushing that 'attack on a Saudi frigate' meme too. They're really ramping up the Warmongering. Looks like they're gonna drag Trump into some very ugly stuff. I hope he can thwart them, but that's a pretty rough endeavor to pursue.

 

[Dschrute3]

Russian Aggression in Ukraine?

All sorts of officials accuse Russia of aggression in Ukraine. Is this true? It is not. It is fiction. It is a big lie. It is a specious claim, an absurd claim, a ridiculous claim, an unreal claim. Russia and Russians have been involved in certain respects in Ukraine, but by no sensible stretch of the imagination can such involvements be termed aggression. If there were an actual war aggression, it could not be hidden because the scope of a typical war aggression is very large. The photographic evidence for it would be overwhelming. No such evidence has been provided by Russia’s accusers. Even more importantly, it would have to be shown that the attack was an unprovoked offensive attack, and not a defensive operation. This too has not been proven by Russia’s accusers.

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The Ukraine disaster was created by the US/West. But most Americans don't know that. It all started with the US/Western-backed Coup in Kiev.

But good luck trying to reason with most Americans on this. They only receive one-sided US Government/Media propaganda. They're told it's all Russia's fault, they believe it 100%. It is what it is.

 

[percysunshine]

flacaltenn

This is kind of conspiracy theory stuff.

 

[Dschrute3]

flacaltenn

This is kind of conspiracy theory stuff.

Our Government engages in lots of Conspiracies.

 

[Contumacious]

What does it matter if Russia is "involved" or not? Why is that any of our business? We need to meddle in every conflict around the world?

The Ukraine is in the middle of a civil war. There are ethnic Russians in the eastern part that want to separate after the sham coup. We should stay the hell out of it.

Ukraine is involved in a :civil war" in the same manner the Syrians are involved in a civil war.

The CIA was to create a beachhead in Ukraine. The US has been trying to do that for 50 years. The CIA will create whtaever mess is necessary to implement its agenda.

 

[Dschrute3]

What does it matter if Russia is "involved" or not? Why is that any of our business? We need to meddle in every conflict around the world?

The Ukraine is in the middle of a civil war. There are ethnic Russians in the eastern part that want to separate after the sham coup. We should stay the hell out of it.

Ukraine is involved in a :civil war" in the same manner the Syrians are involved in a civil war.

The CIA was to create a beachhead in Ukraine. The US has been trying to do that for 50 years. The CIA will create whtaever mess is necessary to implement its agenda.

Yeah, and keep an eye on Yemen as well. I think they're about to go full scale 'intervention' there. Saudi Arabia isn't doing well in the Yemen War. It's now demanding more US involvement. Look for a huge bloody massacre there real soon.

Then look for the attack on Iran. It's very sad, i was hoping Trump wouldn't go the Warmonger route. But i realize US Presidents don't always have the final say on such things. Sadly, more carnage is coming.

 

[theHawk]

What does it matter if Russia is "involved" or not? Why is that any of our business? We need to meddle in every conflict around the world?

The Ukraine is in the middle of a civil war. There are ethnic Russians in the eastern part that want to separate after the sham coup. We should stay the hell out of it.

Ukraine is involved in a :civil war" in the same manner the Syrians are involved in a civil war.

The CIA was to create a beachhead in Ukraine. The US has been trying to do that for 50 years. The CIA will create whtaever mess is necessary to implement its agenda.

Not buying that bullshit. The civil war started when the elected President rejected the EU agenda. Soros funded the protest and coup, the President then fled to Russia. Once the legal attempt to remove him from office failed, the Ukrainians just made up their own new government. Then began the anti-Russian crap, naturally the ethnic Russians want out, to separate. This is a war between the Ukrainians and ethnic Russians at this point.

 

[Contumacious]

Ukraine clashes leave several dead and test Trump's Russia stance

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The CIA has again engaged in a Dulles vs JFK maneuver to force the president to follow its agenda. The intention being to drive a wedge between Trump and Putin.


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it's amazing what the fake news loons make up

poor conspiracy loon.

Counselor REBUT/REFUTE with FACTS


Don't have any? STFU


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[Dschrute3]

What does it matter if Russia is "involved" or not? Why is that any of our business? We need to meddle in every conflict around the world?

The Ukraine is in the middle of a civil war. There are ethnic Russians in the eastern part that want to separate after the sham coup. We should stay the hell out of it.

Ukraine is involved in a :civil war" in the same manner the Syrians are involved in a civil war.

The CIA was to create a beachhead in Ukraine. The US has been trying to do that for 50 years. The CIA will create whtaever mess is necessary to implement its agenda.

Not buying that bullshit. The civil war started when the elected President rejected the EU agenda. Soros funded the protest and coup, the President then fled to Russia. Once the legal attempt to remove him from office failed, the Ukrainians just made up their own new government. Then began the anti-Russian crap, naturally the ethnic Russians want out, to separate. This is a war between the Ukrainians and ethnic Russians at this point.

Yeah, the Ukraine disaster was created by the US/West. The Coup was carried out with US/Western support. Most Americans just aren't aware of really happened in Ukraine. They only receive one-sided US Government/Media propaganda. As far as they know, it is all 'Russia's fault.' It's all they know.

 

[theHawk]

Ukraine clashes leave several dead and test Trump's Russia stance

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The CIA has again engaged in a Dulles vs JFK maneuver to force the president to follow its agenda. The intention being to drive a wedge between Trump and Putin.


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it's amazing what the fake news loons make up

poor conspiracy loon.

Counselor REBUT/REFUTE with FACTS


Don't have any? STFU


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She's too stupid to have her own opinion.

 

[theHawk]

What does it matter if Russia is "involved" or not? Why is that any of our business? We need to meddle in every conflict around the world?

The Ukraine is in the middle of a civil war. There are ethnic Russians in the eastern part that want to separate after the sham coup. We should stay the hell out of it.

Ukraine is involved in a :civil war" in the same manner the Syrians are involved in a civil war.

The CIA was to create a beachhead in Ukraine. The US has been trying to do that for 50 years. The CIA will create whtaever mess is necessary to implement its agenda.

Not buying that bullshit. The civil war started when the elected President rejected the EU agenda. Soros funded the protest and coup, the President then fled to Russia. Once the legal attempt to remove him from office failed, the Ukrainians just made up their own new government. Then began the anti-Russian crap, naturally the ethnic Russians want out, to separate. This is a war between the Ukrainians and ethnic Russians at this point.

Yeah, the Ukraine disaster was created by the US/West. The Coup was carried out with US/Western support. Most Americans just aren't aware of really happened in Ukraine. They only receive one-sided US Government/Media propaganda. As far as they know, it is all 'Russia's fault.' It's all they know.

It's not "Russia's fault", it was the globalists. They cannot allow a country to reject the EU and globalist Agenda.

 

[Contumacious]

Yeah, i noticed they're also pushing that 'attack on a Saudi frigate' meme too. They're really ramping up the Warmongering. Looks like they're gonna drag Trump into some very ugly stuff. I hope he can thwart them, but that's a pretty rough endeavor to pursue.

Yes, indeed they are.

Like I have said a million times the CIA must be abolished.

Scumbag Dulles tried to do the same thing to JFK - calling a duly elected US president a THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY.


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[Dschrute3]

What does it matter if Russia is "involved" or not? Why is that any of our business? We need to meddle in every conflict around the world?

The Ukraine is in the middle of a civil war. There are ethnic Russians in the eastern part that want to separate after the sham coup. We should stay the hell out of it.

Ukraine is involved in a :civil war" in the same manner the Syrians are involved in a civil war.

The CIA was to create a beachhead in Ukraine. The US has been trying to do that for 50 years. The CIA will create whtaever mess is necessary to implement its agenda.

Not buying that bullshit. The civil war started when the elected President rejected the EU agenda. Soros funded the protest and coup, the President then fled to Russia. Once the legal attempt to remove him from office failed, the Ukrainians just made up their own new government. Then began the anti-Russian crap, naturally the ethnic Russians want out, to separate. This is a war between the Ukrainians and ethnic Russians at this point.

Yeah, the Ukraine disaster was created by the US/West. The Coup was carried out with US/Western support. Most Americans just aren't aware of really happened in Ukraine. They only receive one-sided US Government/Media propaganda. As far as they know, it is all 'Russia's fault.' It's all they know.

It's not "Russia's fault", it was the globalists. They cannot allow a country to reject the EU and globalist Agenda.

Spot On. But most Americans don't know that. They're told it's all 'Russia's fault' they buy it 100%. It is what it is.